Mention It All - A Legal Bombshell Enters The Villa… Sort Of

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

As we start a new week, Dylan puts the Olympics on mute for 45 minutes so he can break down all the latest Bravo updates. To kick things off, he makes a broad comparison between Bravo and the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and considers what would be the Bravo equivalent of Robert Downey Jr.’s grand return to the MCU. Does a comp even exist? Then, he shares what we know about the upcoming Housewives dating show, and why it’s a smart move at this phase in the Peacock x Bravo relationship. Later, he goes long on Real Housewives of New Jersey, where Teresa finally shows her hand in the case of The People vs. Margaret Josephs. Did her season-long gambit to sink her rival pay off? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast It's Monday and I gotta be honest It felt strange switching my brain back into Bravo mode This morning after spending Essentially the entire last 72 hours Just watching the Olympics

I don't know if anybody else is like a big Olympics person, but to me, I just, all of a sudden, I'm a sports fan of certain things for the rest of the year. Like, I'm a big tennis fan. I've been watching tennis at the Olympics. It's great. Everything's on peacock, which is nice. But I get so focused on sports that I literally never think about for the rest of the year. For the rest of four years. Like, as I sit here recording, I'm recording at home today. I'm not in the studio. You know, things are a little more relaxed. There's like a leaf blower outside by window. that I hope you can't hear. I have men's skateboarding just on, in the background, on mute.

And I am not, I'm not one of those people who just, like, has the TV on all day while I'm, like, doing other things. Like, occasionally I'll put on an episode of something while I'm working or whatever. But, like, I literally am like, well, the skateboarding isn't over, and I have to record, so I'm going to keep it on. I was watching women's kayak slalom yesterday. and the difference I've learned, the difference between canoeing and kayaking at the Olympics.

Like, I know what a canoe looks like if you're just like a person on a river. So the canoeing, they're on their knees in the boat. So they're like propped up on their knees. And of course, the paddle just has one, it's one, what, is it a blade? Like there's one side, it's like a canoe paddle. But then the kayaks, they're sitting down and the paddle has a blade on both sides. I'm doing like a kayaking motion. But the kayak slalom is so fucking crazy because there are these like slalom gates that they

have to go through. Your head and your shoulders have to go between the two poles of the gates. So they'll kind of like whip their upper body around. I'm trying to do this as I stay close to the microphone. Because obviously they're like in this whitewater rapid and there are certain gates, slalom gates that they have to enter going downstream. and then there are certain slalom gates that they have to enter going upstream.

So in the midst of this whitewater, I was going to say whitewater rafting, but I guess it's whitewater kayaking course, they have to like turn their boat sideways and then maneuver back upstream against the current to go through these slalom gates going the other direction.

And if you miss a gate, it adds 50 seconds onto your time. It's like a penalty. If you bump one of the little poles, it's a two-second penalty. I watched this for like three hours over the weekend. And then this morning, when I had to sit down for 42 minutes to watch Real Houseways of New Jersey, I'm like, oh, I guess, I guess I can go back to this. And I was like checking tennis scores while I was watching, obviously, putting back on the skateboarding right now, it looks like the American guys are like, knock on wood, about to win.

If this age is poorly, I'm sorry that I jinxed the men's street skateboarding competition. But anyway, we do have Bravo stuff to talk about this morning. But the first thing I'm going to talk about is actually it's not Bravo related, but I'm going to make it Bravo related, which of course is one of my great strengths in life. You know, if you bring up anything, I can tie it back to Bravo. Like, you know, if you're talking about something that happened in World War II, there's going to be some long-winded thing. And then did you know that Yolanda is from Amsterdam? And then all of a sudden we're back. What I'm going to talk about first is news that I don't know if there's much overlap with who listens to this podcast and who.

who cares about the Marvel cinematic universe. But over the weekend, it was San Diego Comic-Con, and Marvel had their big panel on Saturday evening. And the biggest announcement out of this is that Robert Downey Jr., Iron Man himself, is going to be returning to the MCU, but not as Iron Man. Because, and spoiler alert, skip ahead 15 seconds if you don't want Avengers' end game to be spoiled for you.

Iron Man dies at the end of that movie. there was this a big long thing. I saw it in the theater. I did cry. I'm only human. R.D.J. is dead in the MCU. Okay, if you didn't want to be spoiled, move on. So he's coming back, not as Iron Man for these next two Avengers movies that are coming out in like 2026 and 2027 if the earth hasn't just like sunk into the water.

He's coming back as a new character, well, like a new character that's, probably been in the comics for 50 years. Dr. Doom or something. The movie's called Avengers Doom's Day. He's going to be like the big main villain. We don't know exactly how it's going to work. That's beside the point. I got to thinking, I'm like, okay.

So the MCU has been in this little phase of not knowing exactly what to do with themselves, of having some false starts, of having some little casting issues. You know, Jonathan Majors was supposed to be this major. villain and then for reasons that we won't get into right now, he ended up getting fired. It's a whole thing. Does that not just a little bit remind you of kind of maybe something that's happening in the reality TV sphere where it feels like maybe just with Bravo and with Housewives we're in a little bit of a, just a little bit of an interesting spot in terms of where are we

going with some of these shows? what is the next, let's say, five years going to look like? Who are we really prioritizing? Who really do we care about that much? And is there something that can be done to kind of ensure that these shows and franchises stay relevant into the future, into, you know, into the end of time, as long as we're here? So I was thinking about like, what would the Bravo equivalent be of Marvel bringing back Robert Downey Jr? Because I think everybody kind of views this as a somewhat desperate move to try and get people to give a shit.

And obviously, I think the two, maybe three answers that come to mind are not that difficult to figure out. And it's three people who are housewives OGs who are essential to the legacy. of the franchise. And those people that I, that came to mind for me are Bethany, NeNe, and Lisa Vanderpump. That when you think about what would it look like if they were to back up the Brinks truck, to write a blank check to somebody to come back to give a shit once again. And so here's the thing. I feel like with Bethany, NeNe, LVP, all of their returns would feel unlike likely, but for different reasons, I think. Like, LVP, obviously, is still on good terms with Bravo, still on the network, literally as, you know, as we speak probably, you know, trying to figure out

what next season of Vanderpump rules is going to look like. But I think that with Lisa Vanderpump, in specific coming back to Real Houseways of Beverly Hills, it feels like something where she would have to be kind of giving up her control a little bit. You know, the last few years, all of the shows that she's been on, she's been an executive producer of. She's been kind of in a position of power. Look at Vanderpump Villa. Look at this show she's doing with Gordon Ramsey that she's, you know,

the face of that is clearly like a lower stakes, less personal endeavor than whatever she would have to do on Housewise. I think that for Lisa Vanderpump, I don't think it would happen. I don't think she needs the money. I don't think they would write her a check that she couldn't say no to. It's not going to happen. So then you have Bethany and NeNe.

And I think they're probably better comps for Robert Downey Jr. than Lisa is, except for the fact that, to my knowledge, as far as I'm aware, Robert Downey Jr. has never sued Marvel. And Bethany and NeNe, there's just this one little problem of the mad shit that they have talked about the network and about people at the network and about their treatment at the network and about the network's treatment of others. In Bethany's case, and, you know, the kind of bridges that they've burned. And I don't know if those are bridges that can be unburned.

But I do think that money can solve a lot of problems. And I think if Bravo, if Bravo decided that this was a direction they wanted to go in, particularly for Nini, I think there's a number. I think there's a number that they could arrive at that she would say, you know what, Andy Cohen, let's kiss and make up. I'm going to come on watch what happens live. They're going to get the cameras back up. I know that Real Housewives of Atlanta has been in a little bit of a sore spot and we're going to make it happen once again. But as I'm thinking about this, I'm kind of like, I don't know, I don't know if it would work. And I don't mean I don't know if Nini or Bethany or whoever could like deliver on being entertaining housewives again. I think the answer is absolutely yes.

I mean, they've done it before. I'm sure they could do it again. I don't know if culturally we're in the position where, Nini returning to housewives, and this feels crazy to say, I don't know if that would be enough, or I should say, I don't know if there is anything that could get us back to the cultural place of those early 2010s, classic cultural touchstone seasons of housewives, because culture is simply in a different place than it used to be. I mean, we're talking about the Olympics. You can watch every second of every event live on Peacock at the push of a button. And I think that's great.

It's really exciting. I'm glad that I can watch, you know, skateboarding, which just ended, by the way. So now you have my full attention. I'm glad that I can watch all of that. But at the same time, the sort of attention economy is different. I mean, think about back in those early seasons of Housewives, streaming was like basically not a thing yet. There were so many. fewer options and platforms and properties and spin-offs and franchises. That's, I think part of what allowed these Housewives shows to be so iconic was because not that many people were doing what they were doing. And, you know, unfortunately, there are all of these derivative shows, or maybe not

unfortunately, if you like to watch them, it's great that they exist. But that I don't think that even if you had Nini back on the Real House size of Atlanta, Atlanta and you are seeing, you know, Nini and Porcia or Nini and Fadra or whichever combination, again, I think that it would be really amazing to us. But I think that in terms of the outsized kind of impact of the show, I don't think there's a Robert Downey Jr. comp. I just don't think that, I don't think it would work the same way. And I mean, let's be clear, who knows if Robert Downey Jr. coming back to the MCU is going to work. I think people have a lot of thoughts and feelings about that, which I'm sure many other podcasts will spend a lot of time talking about.

And I know that's not what you're here for. But anyway, I just thought it was something interesting to consider. And thinking about sort of the cultural context in which we watch Housewives and how that has changed over the last, you know, decade and a half. It's really fascinating to me. And I think, granted, Real Housewives of Orange County in season, what is it, 18, 17? I can't fucking remember anything. Whatever season they're in right now, they are kind of, it's a return to form. It feels like a classic season. But, you know, that's for people who love housewives. It's not something that is taking the world by storm. And I got to say, I'm on social media. I'm doing stuff. When I post about Orange County, people are into it, but it's not, it's not Scandival. It's not going viral. It's something that people who already like the show really like. And I think that's kind of where we're at right now. And, and, and, Unless it's Scandival, unless it's Jen Shaw getting arrested,

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But done talking about hypotheticals, let's talk about something that is reportedly really happening. And that is a peacock dating show reported by our friend Dave Quinn at people. a peacock dating show featuring a lineup of housewives with a lineup of men competing for their attention. This show, apparently the working title is Love Hotel, which it's bad. It's really, we're not going to put any kind of housewives little wink and nod in that title. Love Hotel sounds like it could be absolutely anything. It sounds like an HGTV show where they're like sprucing up. a bed and breakfast.

Working title better be, they better really be working on it because it's not going to cut it. But this show, reportedly, it will feature Shannon Storm's Padour, Ashley Darby, Giselle Bryant, and Luanne de Liceps.

And this, this right here, this is casting. And this show, which is, again, reportedly, filming in Cabo in September and featuring a diverse group of men,

competing for these four women's affection likely to air next year. This, I think, is sort of the platonic ideal of what Peacock can be when it comes to the Bravo, you know, corporate tie-in, that it's like, this is what we should be doing with our Bravo properties. We don't necessarily need another below-deck franchise. We don't necessarily need more housewives, though I, you know, I would have say no. I'm glad we have Miami back because of Peacock. But that getting creative with the talent you have within the network, with the with the shows and the ideas and the personalities that

you have, I think that this makes perfect sense. And beyond just the idea that it's like, oh, that sounds fun, I think it makes sense right now for a couple of reasons. The first being ultimate girls trip seems to be dead in the water. I don't know if they are considering making more seasons of it, if they have plans to make more seasons of it. But what I do know is that we have a Morocco season that was filmed at the beginning of last year that is, you know, more than likely never to see the light of day at this point. And there has been legal action. You know, we've talked about it. and that the last season that did air,

which was Ultimate Girls Trip Roney Legacy, was filmed now over a year ago and aired in December of last year. So this franchise, which had been cranking out at a pretty steady cadence. I mean, the first season came out, I think end of 2021. So within two calendar years,

they had aired four seasons with one in the can that they got canceled for other reasons. There has not been one peep, one rumor, one report, one blog talking about a new season of girls' trip since over a year ago they filmed the Roney Legacy. I have not heard one thing, which really makes me think that either they are never filming another season or they have it kind of on pause indefinitely. I don't know.

So figuring out something else to do on Peacock with these housewise. to me makes a great deal of sense because otherwise, what are you doing with this platform? I love that I can see Housewives episodes next day. I love that we're getting the uncensored and extended reunions. That's a lot of fun. But like, that can't be it. You know, there has to be some bigger draw to this streaming platform that NBC Universal continues to spend a lot of money on.

I mean, Olympics right now, they've blown out Peacock. You know, there's a whole Olympics tab. whatever. So I think that makes a lot of sense. And then when you look at what has worked well on Peacock, Love Island USA just had a massive season for Peacock. And that's a Peacock original. People were going to the platform every day to watch this. It was a cultural moment that you really can't, you can't buy that something that people really just care about that much. You kind of have to get lucky. And I think that seeing how well that did, I think the idea of doing a dating show format that also taps into this Bravo talent that people know and love and enjoy, I think it's a really smart

idea. And I think that it's a good idea in theory. I think that in actuality, this show could end up being either extremely entertaining and extremely exciting or could end up being kind of a flop. It hasn't been filmed yet. Nobody knows. But I'm very curious. I'm really curious to see kind of what the format of the show is like, because I imagine there will be some more structure to it than just like four housewives and and 20 dudes in a house. I think we need we need a little bit of like a competition show kind of format. But my first thought was if there's one collective pool of guys and four women who are trying to find love or if not love, at least a good role in the hay, are we going to see some housewife on housewife

crime here. Are we going to get Giselle and Ashley fighting over the same guy? Are we going to get Luann being territorial over her men? Because I think that that is something that I would love to see from this show is a little bit of the housewives,

both having fun together, but then also getting into it a little bit if they have shared interests in these presumably hot. Presumably, I would say, I hope there's some younger guys. because I think like watching Luanne and Giselle go after a man who's like 15 years younger than them, I would like to see it.

Not too young. You know, like we can say like 30 and above, I think, for these women. But I think there's a lot of potential here. I hope that everybody's in good spirits and I hope it turns out fun. We will see. But I was glad to hear that come across the desk because it does feel like it's been a while since we had kind of signs of life from Peacock Originals. in terms of specifically Bravo-related ones.

And so I'm glad that we have that happening, especially as we get toward the end of this season of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Because this episode is, it's the pen ultimate episode of the regular season, and then we do have that finale watch party situation, also to look forward to, I suppose. But this episode, we're,

we're getting down to the end here, and there are a couple big things that sort of are still to be handled, first and foremost of which in this episode is that we have to find out what it is that Teresa has been dangling in front of us, like we're a rabbit, like we're Bugs Bunny and she's got a carrot. What is going to be this big bombshell reveal? that's going to expose Margaret for being the evil witch that she always told people she was and, you know, just a horrible, despicable, indefensible evil within this group. And I got to say, after this episode, I don't know that I, I don't know that I feel that I got a satisfying answer to that question.

I think Teresa feels like she delivered the information, the facts, as she says so many times, in a manner that nobody could argue. But I would just say, I feel like the information flopped. And let's get into it a little bit. Because at the beginning of this episode, we find out when Jen Fessler and Marge are at lunch together, you know, They're starving. Fessler has ordered a burger. Marge has ordered an omelet. Um, love to see it. And Jen tells Margaret that Teresa is having people over at her house coming up to meet with Teresa and her lawyer, Jim Leonard, who has been in the picture forever. Jim Leonard was

Teresa's lawyer when she went to prison. He's still Teresa's lawyer. Um, as Margaret says, he has his office next to the meth clinic in Atlantic City. Her office, her lawyer's office is on Madison Avenue. But so Teresa is having essentially like a cast press conference at her house to share the findings, the court findings, the details, the facts about Margaret's involvement in this case with Louise X, who they can't speak about actually, so they just sort of wink, wink. Margaret, of course, hearing about this is like, what the fuck? First of all, she's doing this, what the fuck? And then also, you're going to this?

What the fuck? Like, this event that is being branded as like, come to Teresa's house at 2pm for the official downfall of Margaret Joseph's, that people like Danielle and Jen Fessler and Dolores are just like RSVP, yes, they. they got the partyful invite from Teresa that's like Margaret's funeral and they're just like, sounds good, I'll be there. I think it's understandable that Margaret's a little bit like, I don't love that my friends are just attending this event and being like, well, I don't know exactly what they're going to say,

so I want to go hear it. It's like, Teresa's going to tell you. She's going to shout her from the rooftops. I don't think that you need to be in her kitchen to get the info. She's talking about it on TV. But anyway, so, you know, Margaret calls Dolores. Margaret calls Danielle. I love that she's talking to Danielle on FaceTime.

And she's like, okay, okay, good to know. Oh, my omelets here. I'm not going to let my omelet get cold. Got to call you back. I think that Margaret's weird feelings, even if you don't like Margaret, even if you think Margaret kind of sucks, I think it's totally normal that she's like,

why is this girl having like a cast meeting to share what her lawyer found about you? Like, doesn't your lawyer have better things to do? like go back to his office by the meth clinic in Atlantic City. I mean, I don't necessarily love that we're like degrading the idea of a meth clinic. It's like that's where people go to get, you know, treatment, whatever. That's a good thing. But anyway, I digress. We also have this episode. There are like dueling guys nights that are happening, which just, I mean, look, the Jersey husbands, I feel like they've gone up and down kind of in my estuels. I feel like they've gone up and down kind of in my

estimation over the years. I think people, a lot of the time, are like, who cares about the husbands? And it's like, I get it, but also, like, they are a part of this show. And I think that having the husbands is, like, important in a way. But this season, the husbands haven't really been, like, a unit the way that they were in the past. Like, we haven't gotten as many kind of, like, fun times with the guys. Like, you know, last year when they were in Ireland, it was like, oh, well, the guys are going to hang out and have, like, guys night or go golfing or whatever. And I feel like this season, we haven't gotten so much of that. I don't know if they were busy or if they just couldn't stand each other.

But this episode, we are getting, so Joe Gorgas trying to get the guys together. He texts everyone but Louis. Meanwhile, Bill and Pauly already had plans to go to Louies that night. So they're not coming to the Gorgas. And I'm like, I feel like this, this is draining credulity to me a little bit because it's like, there's no way that production didn't play on both of these guys' nights. There's, I just said,

we've barely seen them together this season. There's no way that the one night Joey wants them all to come over to his house. There's like already another guy's night on the books at Louis house. Like this just, this just to me is like, just say that they're two separate groups. But anyway, um,

these guys nights. The vibes could not be more different, first of all. So at the Gorgas house, you know, they're playing poker, they're doing bone marrow shots. Are bone marrow shots like a capital T thing? Because I've never seen this, but also I don't spend a lot of time with middle age straight men in New Jersey. So let me know, let me know in a five-star review or in a DM if you are familiar with bone marrow shots, because this to me looks disgusting. Also, unsanitary. You're all putting your sweaty lips on the same.

piece of carcass. Carcass is that they're, it's a carcass. It's a bone. It's a literal bone. I don't know. I can't get too deep into that. But, you know, they're like, they're like getting it in. They're having fun. And then the vibes hours because John Vuda has an allergic reaction. You hate to see it. But I do love that while they're at this guy's night, Margaret calls Joe, Joe Benigno, to fill him in on this Teresa legal. press conference situation. And when she's rattling off, who is invited to this? I picked up on something that I don't, they don't comment on at all. But she's like, so Jen Fasler says she invited me, Dolores, Boozy, Jackie, and Jennifer.

Her substitution of Danielle's name for just the word boogie absolutely killed me. Because it's just, it's so good. And I think that Danielle would love it. I think that it's like, oh, yeah, we got like Rachel, Margaret, bougie. Like, it fits perfectly. It's such subtle work that I had to pause and go back. Did she just say bougie instead of Danielle? I love that.

I will be using that from now on. But anyway, of course, she gets Jen Fessler to say that she's not going to go to this, which I think is a big deal because Jen has kind of tried to tow the line this whole season. in and I think has tiptoed a little bit into Teresa territory too much for comfort. And so I think her listening to Margaret this episode and saying, you know what, I'm not going to go. I think it's a big deal. Meanwhile, over at Teresa and Louis' house, Louis is having the other guys over. But before they get there, there's this scene in the kitchen where it's Teresa and then three generations of Ruelas men, Louis, Louis' dad, and Louis' 19-year-old son, and the vibes in this kitchen.

When Teresa's like explaining to her father-in-law how there's this woman who I thought was my friend, who's been hurting me for years, and I'm not trying to bash her, I'm just laying out facts. like I don't need Louis' father's two cents on why this woman Margaret, who he does not know, needs to be like cut out like a cancer. Like I just, I don't know. The three generations of Ruelas men, it's making me feel itchy. It's just like the vibes are bad. Like it's bad enough just with Louis.

And then we see his son. And like, I don't like to talk about the kids, but he's 19. Like he's like starting to get a little red in the face. You know that he's going to drink the Kool-Aid. Like, I just, let's leave Louis family out of it. Like, I just don't care. I hope they're well. But then the guys come over and things take a turn for even itchier because it's, it's Bill Aiden, it's, it's, it's, um, Pauly.

I'm like, what's his name? And they, he takes them to the garage, which he has turned into a studio. First of all, I'm like, what? where are we? How much did you spend on this? What is the purpose? And he has set up that they are going to, on a DSLR camera, speaking into a microphone, they're going to make devotional videos for their wives.

And the idea is that the women are about to go away on this healing retreat to the Berkshires. And they're going to have these video messages of how much their guys love them and miss them. whatever, and I'm like, Louie, how did it go for you last time there was a video of you making an impassioned speech about a woman? Why don't we not make the video? Why don't we act normal for once in our lives? Why don't we just cool it? This whole devotional thing, I'm like, it is a great thing to be a loving and supportive partner, to be, you know, in your wife's corner, to be checking in on her, making sure she has whatever she needs. Great, amazing. I love that.

Why are we making these weird fucking videos when these women are probably this trip that they were going to take to the Berkshires, but that gets canceled because the house burns down. Spoiler. They were probably going to be there for like less than 72 hours. If I, I'm, I might just be a bitch, like I, and I am, but if I was dating somebody and they, like, texted me a video and I opened it up and it was like, them looking like they're being held at gunpoint, being like, babe, you are the most beautiful woman I ever knew. I want that you, I hope that you're having a great time. my life is, I just, like, I, the cringe, the secondhand embarrassment, the first hand embarrassment, if it was me, I just like, is this, does this turn anyone on? I just, I can't, I can't. And I just don't know. The thing with Louis, whatever is actually the truth about his, like, legal situations, past relationships, business, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. All of that aside, just, purely going off of what he gives us to work with on the show, what I am seeing and hearing

with my own eyes and ears. He is fucking weird. He's weird. He's, it's just like the whole thing is just fucking weird. Like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? Also, beyond what are you doing? What are you doing? Why don't you? you realize that people are going to see this and think that it is weird. They live 365 days of their lives and only like 20 of them are filmed. Do this some other time if it's something that you feel so passionate about. Why are you showing us the thing that is going to make us all be like, just act normal?

Is it that hard to act normal for like two hours while the cameras are at your house? and then you can make your like weird devotional video another time. But I genuinely don't think that he processes it that way. I think that he thinks that this is like the correct thing to do to like show your love for your woman, that it's like you have to make her this weird video. It's like, don't just like bring her home a treat. Rub her feet. Don't like go to court.

Don't do things that are going to make somebody sue you. Maybe that's the way to get your partner to love and, you know, cherish you, which like Teresa already does because she, you know, whatever. I guess this works on her. So I don't want to yuck anybody's yum. Sorry. Probably too late. But anyway. Whatever your thing.

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choose him to be my lawyer. And I would say that the vibes are just like a touch skeezy for me. It's a little, it's not my vibe, I would just say. And I also, I don't love that while the women are arriving at Teresa's house for this, that she's like running around getting people coffee, whatever, and Gia's like the hostess of the event, I feel like Gia should not be around for this.

Just like, just let it be what it is. But like we don't need Gia like greeting every. and showing them to their seat at the table for the press conference. I don't know. I don't love that. But anyway, Jim gets into his little spiel. And he says that walking Teresa into prison at 3 a.m., she was less dressed than she's been during this process, really painting the picture, really dramatically setting the scene for how much this has thrown Teresa's life into disarray. and he also can't refer specifically to Louis X because there are legal problems with this. There's a gag order, whatever.

So he's like, there was an individual in his life. And everybody's like, so it was the X? And they're like, well, you know, we're not going to. But the, and Teresa like nods at Jackie. And so he says that in 2021, they received information that this person, the ex, was talking to Margaret. And then also in 2021, after they found this out, they subpoenaed Margaret to find out what information that she was getting. And Marge disregarded this subpoena. I don't, again, I say every week, it seems, that I'm not a legal expert, but I thought that subpoenas were like sort of legit.

So I don't know exactly the background of Margaret just like ignoring this subpoena. It seems like maybe they didn't have the right kind of paperwork if she's. was able to just like shrug that off. I don't know. But so then apparently, so they say, Margaret told the ex that she was planning to expose Teresa and Louie based on the info that this woman had given her. And then Teresa's like, okay, she's rubbing her hands together. You hear that making some, some, God, my hands are sweaty. She's like, okay, are you ready for the big reveal? Are you ready?

Are you bitches ready for the big cahuna, the big piece of information? Everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're ready. We've been ready. She's like, okay. So she has a gag order against Lowy, and Louis has a gag order against her. So the ex, she's using Margaret, to get out her. information. Check that. And everybody's just like, uh-huh. And, and, and Marcus, like, he, well, so, Margaret, you know, the videos that came out, Margaret was responsible for getting the video out.

And the, the, the way you could hear a pin drop in this room, because everybody's just like, I thought we were being given some, damning, mind-blowing, career-ending piece of evidence or information. And what actually happens is that Teresa repeats the same accusation that she has been making for like three years, but says that now she knows that it's true, that it is a fact that she has the proof. But we don't see any of that. We don't get any kind of deeper explanation.

There's no metadata that's being wheeled out. There's no transcripts. There's no text conversations. I'm not saying that that stuff doesn't exist because I don't have skin in this game. Like, whatever's the truth is the truth. But the way that Teresa has presented, has geared up this whole. season, as if there is going to be this bombshell piece of evidence, and for it to just be the same thing that she's said, it's like, okay, right, you've always believed this.

Nothing changed. It's just, now she's saying that I know for sure. And it's something that Margaret has denied in the past. I don't know if Margaret's going to continue to deny it next week. But what's really interesting to me is Danielle's reaction to this. Daniel is kind of immediately questioning a little bit turned off by the whole vibe because she's bringing up. So in the past, when Jen and Teresa were befriending Margaret's ex-best friend Laura, wow, I miss talking about the ex-best friend Laura. I feel like that used to be what we would say every week when we talked about Jersey. He was ex-best friend Laura. So Jen says that Marguerite's her. So Jen says that Margaret was a hypocrite because she didn't like it when they were befriending ex-best friend Laura.

But Danielle, in her mind, she's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. If you guys befriended the ex and then allegedly hired Bo Dietel to do a smear campaign on Margaret, isn't that basically the exact same thing that you're saying Margaret did and is like the most damning evidence of why she is an evil person and can't be trusted and needs to be like, you know, dropped off the face of the earth. Then it's like, okay,

so maybe Margaret did something shady, but like pot meat kettle. Maybe Margaret is a hypocrite, but aren't you just as bad? And I think that Danielle, Danielle kind of has the right read on this. That to me, I don't,

I don't think that Margaret has been exonerated from anything. I definitely would like to know more about this, perhaps at a reunion, which we're not going to get. but that just saying this thing again doesn't make Teresa look any better. I don't know. And then, of course, you know, the bow on the whole episode is this flower delivery that arrives right on time. Right on time.

Just what a stroke of reality TV genius. It's a big, like, funeral-looking flower arrangement. And the card says, dear Teresa and James. Sorry for the loss of your dignity. Love, love, love, Margaret. Teresa tells the flower delivery guy, refuse it, tell her to stick it up her ass, get it off my property. You know that poor flower delivery man is just like, I just work here. Like, if you don't want the flowers, that's fine. I'll throw them in the trash at the end of the driveway on my way out. But like, I'm not going to deliver a message about sticking it up

her ass, but thank you. And Danielle is watching this and she's like, oh, oh, oh, Margaret just, oh, she did that. And Teresa's like freaking out, you know, the flowers, look, is it, it's stunty, yes, but also who doesn't love a stunt? I think that this is, this is one of those examples where I feel like people who are Teresa fans are probably up in arms over the flower thing and being like it was unnecessary and uncalled for and, you know, antagonistic and, you know, it's just more evidence that Margaret's the devil. I think if the tables were turned and Teresa had done the same thing, you would be championing it and saying how iconic it is.

I fall somewhere in the middle. I think it's like a little much, but also hilarious. And, you know, it's just not that deep. And I think the whole thing with this is that Teresa, Teresa made it seem like it was going to be that deep. and at the end of the day, it doesn't seem, it seems like she focused her whole season on something that she had already decided in her mind

was going to be, was going to be this massive reveal. And at the end of the day, if you overplay your hand, if somebody calls your bluff, you're going to have to show your cards. And the cards didn't quite live up to what she was saying. So I don't know.

I don't know where this leaves us. the trip is canceled, the house burned down. Teresa says it's an om. She means omen, of course, you know, always, always the vocabulary queen. And so Dolores proposes that instead they do this full group sit down so everybody can peacefully air their grievances. And I'm sure it will be peaceful as we, as we've seen.

But that's all for today. What a time. Wow, I went long here, longer than I intended to. But it was worth it. You know, thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool.

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