Mention It All - A Lenny Hochstein Update & Shannon Writes A Big Check

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

It’s a sad day in Bravoland, as Lenny Hochstein and his mistress-turned-fianceé have broken off their engagement. Now, will he and Lisa finally get divorced? Dylan ponders this question, and as he turns his attention to RHOC, Jenn Pedranti’s long-simmering divorce situation is even more depressing. He recaps the group’s departure for Sonoma, and where things stand in the Shannon v. Alexis war as things come to a climax in the battle of the $75k. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. It's Thursday.

It's the end of the week we are winding down. We've got O.C. to talk about. But first, let's bring the mood down a little bit because there's some sad news that we have to get into because you guys love, I hate to say it, love is dead. Because Lenny Hawstein. and Katerina Mazepa have called off their engagement. I just got a shocked, shocked face from producer Bell. She can't believe it.

And neither can I. Wow, this star-crossed lovers, this Miami couple of our dreams and our nightmares is no more. Lenny confirmed their split to us weekly this week, saying in a statement that he is moving forward with his life. And quote, I have nothing but love and admiration for Katarina and her family. I'm proud of her growth as a woman and we'll be forever grateful for the time we spent together. I don't know

I don't love this I am proud of her growth as a woman thing because it's like I feel like you're sort of giving away the fact that you're dating somebody who's too young for you. Katerina, by the way, is 29 years old which is the same age as Sergio, Caroline Stanbury's husband.

I feel like that kind of puts it in perspective. Like we talk so much about how Sergio is so much younger than Caroline. And it's like, okay, this chick, Katarina, God bless her, she's still in her 20s. Lenny should not be dating somebody who's still in their 20s. And I don't mean to age shame. You know, age gap discourse is so boring. Personally, that's my belief.

But were they really ever meant to be? I kind of doubt it. So the last time they posted together on social media had been in April of this year when Lenny posted some photos of them posing together on a boat. of course Lenny was like fully clothed and she was wearing a swimsuit. I feel like that's kind of the default. And in his caption, he called her his forever pirate in crime. Wow.

I mean, like I said before, love is dead. How could that not have persisted through the ages? They had been engaged for about a year. And let's just recall, Lenny is still not officially divorced from Lisa. So I feel like I don't pretend to know and I don't really care to know the specifics of what went wrong in Lenny and Katarina's relationship. I have a feeling it could be like a you lose them, how you get him type of thing, if you know what I mean. But I do feel like if Katarina is somebody who has any kind of bullshit meter or, you know, that type of thing,

then at a certain point, being engaged to a guy who won't get fully divorced from his ex-wife, even though he is clearly in the position of financial strength in that situation. It just must start to be a little bit frustrating. We watched Dolores go through this on this past season of Real Housewives of New Jersey, where she's like, look, I'm not the one who's looking for a ring right away. It's not the biggest thing in the world. But at a certain point, it's been years. When are we getting the divorce?

When is that being signed? When are you going to be legally single? And if you've been engaged to somebody for a year and you still don't have an end date in sight for your prior divorce battle. It just, it starts to feel like that wedding is never going to happen. Lenny, I, you know, I wish him nothing but the best, of course. And Catarina, too. I mean, I'm sure that I will continue to not follow Katarina on Instagram, and I will continue

to not really give a shit about what Lenny is up to. I am, I am interested, though. You know, we still, still, still are not filming the next season of Real Housewives of Miami. And I do have to wonder if this will play into at all Lisa's potential storyline. I mean, last season was so much discourse about Lenny and what was happening with their divorce proceedings and all of that. And, you know, Lenny being the worst guy on the planet and this woman still being in the picture. Of course, Katarina was the other woman or at least one of the other women. I don't feel confident that she was the only one. But I do wonder if Lisa will

kind of, if this will make any difference to her, if it will even potentially affect the proceedings between Lisa and Lenny, now that he doesn't have this other woman, you know, kind of as the focus of his life. But I don't know. I don't really, I don't know. I feel like Lenny and in Katarina, their days are numbered in terms of us still talking about them. I hope so. But like I said, love is dead. And I, I'm sorry to hear it. Let's talk about Real Housewives of Orange County. This was a good episode. I was pretty into it.

And I, you know, is there a correlation between how bad of a time Shannon is having and how good of a time I'm having as a viewer? There might be. And I don't feel great about that. Like, Shannon has suffered so much. She's suffered. She's been nailed to the cross like Jesus was in the words, Ricki Gundelson, season after season. And this week, this whole season has been sort of a rollercoaster for Shannon. It feels like she's sort of gotten a lot of sympathy from viewers because of how

rough of a time she's been having. But at the same time, there are some of these problems that sort of seem of her own making. Of course, going back to the DUI, which, you know, nobody forced her to get behind the wheel of that car. This week, it kind of felt like things sort of came to a head with the trials of Shannon Bador. And it wasn't even really that much to do with Alexis, though, of course, Alexis is still in the picture and still, you know, reppping Johnny Jay. But I don't want to get ahead of myself.

We start this episode at one of Heather DeBrow's houses. I believe this is her house in L.A., but not the penthouse, like the big mansion that she's going to do a gut renovation of. But I guess they're not... I never know kind of like... Okay, so you're talking to... about doing this renovation, like when is that happening? The family is still staying here. Like the kids are living there while they're going to school, so I don't really know exactly

what the plan is there. But, you know, I do like seeing Heather and Terry with their kids. I think Heather is, you know, one of the great housewives moms. And, you know, I've always really appreciated how how much she rides for her kids and how much she is a supportive parent, you know, with, you know, all of the sexuality and identity and stuff. like that. And she talks in this scene about how it's difficult sometimes to find the balance with her kids of she doesn't want to hide them and, you know, sort of not talk about, you know, their identities and how open they are. But at the same time, she doesn't want to feel like she's exploiting them. And it is one of those conversations where it's like, I think that's super

valid. But at the same time, like, you're the one who's been on a, like, family-based reality show for the better part of a decade. So maybe like if the number one focus was not exploiting the kids, perhaps that ship sailed kind of the first time you signed up to do housewives. But, you know, whatever. That ship has sailed. Here we are talking about it. But everybody is getting ready to go on this trip to Sonoma for Heather's fashion show, but also wine thing with this charity, family equality. I don't know exactly what this event is. per se, but it's fun to get everybody on the PJ for a quick little trip. And I like that this season, we still have this big trip to London coming up, I assume, in a few weeks. But we've had these

little mini getaways to various different California locations. It feels like we're on, you know, O.C.'s California adventure. And so everybody getting in the PJ to Sonoma, except for Jen, who has, She has to come late because she has her court date with her ex, that she's been trying to get this court date set up. She says for four years to figure out temporary child support and alimony. And as I have said many times, I'm not an expert in California divorce law and proceedings. But I just feel like if it has temporary in the name, it shouldn't take four years to set up. court date. Like, I know that she hasn't been, I guess she hasn't been getting money from him this whole time, but now she's going to get, she comes later, she says she's going to get $6,000 a month

from her ex for five kids, which, you know, I can do math sort of. That's not enough money. I mean, it's not enough money to only live on that. As Tamara says, she's getting help from Ryan, and Tamara feels like she's going to use the help from Ryan as an excuse. to continue not having a job. The whole situation with Jen and her ex and their kids, like, I sort of feel like similar to how they're all encouraging Shannon to just write a check and get the John Jansen thing over with. I'm like, what would Jen, what would it take for Jen to just be done with this?

Because I'm sorry, whatever the financial ramifications are, whatever is like the legal holdup or, you know, again, I don't have all the details, but it just feels like if you've been going through this for four years and you're already moving on with your life and, you know, about to get engaged to this other guy and trying to build this like blended family, it's like, do what you have to do to just like be done with it. And I would love to tell Lisa Hoxton the whole, the same thing. You might not get that big monthly check, but maybe you can actually move on with your life. And I know when you have kids together, it's a whole thing. It's not simple. It's not fun.

It's not an easy thing. But it's just like, I can't, I have a hard time believing that going through this years-long court battle and, you know, going with the money and the shuttling the kids back and forth. I can't imagine that it really ends up benefiting anyone in like a deeper way. Maybe somebody ends up getting more money. But it's just. It's tough. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes.

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And it's, it is just like, I love seeing the high and low on this show. And I think that's part of what makes OC a lot of fun. Because in one moment, we have Jane teasing Emily about how she had Taco Bell the night before. And then laughing about how she says measurement, because she's from Ohio, which this to me is triggering as a Midwest native. She's like, she's like, okay, how do you say it? Measurement. She asked for my measurements. Yeah, measurements.

And I'm just like, oh, my God. It's painful. It's so painful. But then we go to Heather to Proh, who's packing everything in her suitcase in white tissue paper because she's like, she's like, you know when you get it from the boutique and it has the white tissue paper in it? It's so crisp and it's not wrinkled and whatever.

I just like to feel like that every time I travel. So she's like meticulously packing. this Gucci cardigan in like that thick tissue, that like creamy tissue paper that crinkles when you touch it. And that's how everything in her suitcase is going to be. And I do, I will give her credit. She's doing this herself. She's not like having some assistant or some like housekeeper pack the suitcase with the white tissue paper for her. Now, maybe the second the camera stop rolling, she's like, Lucinda, come pack the suitcase. bring me more tissue paper you know how i like the cardigans to be all stiff and crinkly it's just i think

some people talk about housewives that like that's all they want to see that kind of like rich aloof like out of touchness and i think that with OC i really really enjoy seeing that it's like you have that energy coming from heather and then you have emily saying that her favorite scent is taco. And then you have Gina talking about how, you know, she, they had to get a second puppy because Travis had to fill a hole after he moved out of the house because they can't afford a big enough house. Like, everybody is on a different plane.

And I think that sort of the convergence of those is what makes this show so exciting. And so it feels like there's a lot of variety. And I think if you have six women who are all rich and the stakes are kind of, equal for all of them, you, you start to just feel like you're watching people just kind of go through the motions. And I think that that's an issue that we've had like on Beverly Hills in the last, you know, kind of forever, but like especially in recent seasons when it feels like nobody kind of is laying it all on the line where like with a franchise like Salt Lake City or like OC, you always feel like you have people in the cast who know that like this is their shot and they kind of need to not

fuck it up. And I think we're seeing that a little bit with Jen this season two, where it's like, she's like really going through it. Like as much as Tamara teases her about not having a job, OC right now is her job. And so she knows that she needs to like, you know, put up or shut up and that she's not going to get asked back for another season unless she really gets into it. And I think that that is, that's kind of necessary. And that's, I think it makes the show better. The PJ on the way to, on the way to, where are we going? Sonoma is one of the closest quarters that we've seen Alexis and Shannon in so far on this season. And I have to say it does stress me out to see this like private jet seating arrangement.

Gina and Katie are basically shunted to the back of the plane because they are currently not on amazing terms with the other. Then we start to see, we haven't seen Shannon much this episode yet. And this is where we start to see this like series of things that make Shannon just kind of look like she's going through it a little bit. And not in a, not in like a sad way, but just in like a girl, you got to stop. And it starts with this photo of Alexis and John. And they're at this event. I guess they hosted like an Oscar party. I don't know. And Shannon is zooming in on like the Getty images of John Jansen to show that he's wearing

these Farragamo shoes that Shannon paid for. And she's like, see, if you hate me so much, then why are you wearing the shoes that I got you? And like, all the women are like, Shannon, we got to move on. We got to stop. And we can't be zooming in on the photo. We can't be, we can't be, we can't be like eagle-eyed pulling out individual items of clothing that you paid for that he's still wearing because the thing is I can tell you right now. John Jansen is a like 60-year-old straight man. If he walks into his closet and he's like, okay, I got to get dressed for this thing that Alexis planned that I have to go to. Okay, I'm wearing, what am I wearing? The gray pants? Okay, what goes good with the gray pants? Okay, I'll wear the black shoes.

John Jansen is not going through his closet being like, hmm, he-he-he-he. What outfit can I put together that will inflict maximum mental damage on Shannon Storm's Bador? She bought these shoes? That means I will wear them in the place that I am going to get photographed the most, and she will see it, and she will zoom in, and she will lose her mind. Like, I, okay, I am fully willing to believe that John Jansen is like kind of a shitty guy. I do not believe that he is going through his closet and being like, I'm going to wear the thing Shannon bought because then she'll see the photo and she'll be like, you know, in pieces over it.

That's just not how, that's not how this war is being waged. This war is being waged with him like serving her papers to pay him the $75,000. He's not playing mind games. He's playing like legal, you know, fuck you pay me games. And so Shannon, like, as much as I get it, you know, like, you want him to, you know, buy his own shoes, he still has those shoes in his closet. He's probably worn him five times. He's not going to throw them away. They're Farragamo shoes. I just don't, I think she's, she's overthinking it and it's making her look like she's, you know, going through it. It's bad. It's bad.

But also, Alexis doesn't look great either, because in the car, she's still claiming that she's still claiming that she's, she doesn't want to make things worse with Shannon and that she wants everybody to just say what they need to say so we can all move on. And Gina's like, okay, well, if you want us to all move on and you don't want to make things worse, then you can't put out the videos, Alexis. And Alexis is like, okay, well, I just want her to know how bad she hurt people. She has to know. And it's like, The ability that Alexis has to talk out of both sides of her mouth, literally in back-to-back sentences, is so wild to me. Because we're like nine episodes into this season and she still will not dispense with the notion that she actually just wants to be friends with Shannon. And all she needs for that to happen is for Shannon to just like admit to one tintsy tiny-tie little thing.

It's like, no, you are like the Terminator sent to destroy this woman. that's it. And so the idea that she still, still, still is acting. Like she at the bottom of her heart has Shannon's best interest in mind and she just wants everybody to get along. It's like, miss me with that. That, the, the opportunity to have that beer storyline went out the door in like episode two at the latest, probably in the season premiere.

But they get to Sonoma. These little cottages they're staying in are actually. so adorable. Like, this makes me want to go there. And of course, they're all like, I didn't know there would be bugs. Why do we have to walk in the mud? Why are we eating in the dirt? Why is there grass I have to walk on? I'm wearing my pointy toe heels. Like, I think that I need the housewives to understand that it's like, you not packing appropriately for where you're going doesn't make where you're going a shithole. It just means that you shouldn't have worn stiletto leather boots. Please. They're not glamping. They're not camping. They're, you know, they're, they're staying in like a little, like, outdoorsy looking area that's like walking distance from a beautiful town. There's a spa. There's a wine tasting thing. They're, they're honestly living my dream. But there's two separate lunch groups. And I love this when they all go together in a plane somewhere and then like go to their rooms, drop their stuff. And then immediately go to two separate lunches. Like there's nothing that's more.

production arranged this itinerary, then that it's like, oh, yay, girls trip on the plane. Okay, what's happening for lunch? So the four of us are going to the picnic tables and the three of us are going to the restaurant because we have things to discuss. So Emily, Shannon, Katie, and Gina are sitting around a picnic table and the waiter comes and right off the bat.

Shannon, again, is like walking into a trap of her own making because she's like, you know, every, it's like, somebody asks for tea. Gina's like I'm not, I don't drink, literally haven't drank in like two years. And Shannon's like, I'm just gonna, I'm on vacation. Can I get a vodka soda cranberry? It's like, Shannon, you're like at a lunch in the misty woods. This isn't, you're not at a cocktail bar. You're not at a party. Like this is a, this is a chill outdoor lunch. And Gina's like, Shannon, come on. Tamara is here. She's been, she's the one that's been down your neck about the drinking. I'm fully sober. There's never an easier scenario to just not order a drink than when you're at a lunch with somebody else who doesn't drink. And I still, you know, I don't, I don't think that

it's right to be like accusing Shannon of having some kind of problem. But I think it's totally fair to examine Shannon's choices and the fact that now in back-to-back episodes of this show, she's ordered a drink on camera after talking about how she's barely drinking and she's not drinking very much and she's, you know, cutting back and all of this stuff. And it's like, if you, like, honestly, do whatever you want off camera. But like, you have to be aware that this is how it's going to come across. And then another thing is happening where there, has been some photo online. I'm guessing it was on Des Moines or something that's a picture of Shannon sitting at a bar by herself with a glass and it like looks like a drink. And, you know,

if it looks like a drink, if it talks like a drink, it's probably a drink. And she's like, oh, well, I just, I ordered a Pellegrino and cranberry and nobody believes her. And again, it's the kind of thing where it's like, I don't want to accuse Shannon of being a liar about her drinking. but it's like you're not you're not doing a great job of showing us that you're making different choices. Like I it's a pretty common thing. It's like if somebody is going through that or has a DUI or something like that, that it's like the next season just like don't drink. Other people have done it in the past. You know, Luann couldn't drink for a while.

We, you know, we've seen like multiple people stop drinking on Vanderpump rules. It's a common thing for somebody to just like take a break. You don't have to admit you have a problem. Just say like, yeah, yeah. Like I'm just not going to drink for a while. And the fact that Shannon is like so publicly not doing that, it's just not, it's not the best look. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session.

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And of course, she's also annoyed now that John and Alexis have hosted this Oscar party. And all these, you know, headlines are flashing on the screen about John and Alexis making their red carpet debut. And she's like, why does John get to claim that? that I ruined his life by making him into some kind of public figure. And then he breaks up with me. And six months later, he's, you know, hosting an event that's splashed across page six. And he's walking a step and repeat with this new woman. Like, why do, why is the narrative still that I was the one who, like, forced him to do stuff in public?

And I think that that is probably one of the best arguments Shannon has for, like, why she's so, frustrated by this situation is because like John really like switched up on her. But unfortunately, as I've said, the last like however many weeks, we have not seen John yet this season other than a FaceTime call with Alexis. So we're waiting on like Sean, we're waiting on Shannon and John to have this kind of like confrontation that I just, I don't know if it's ever going to happen. And it feels like the person Shannon really needs to talk to is. John Jansen. But at the same time, like, I don't know that that would help her. I think that she has she has other things that she needs to work out first. And I don't think that, I think that maybe

she needs, like, a John Jansen shaped punching bag. And maybe that would suffice instead of, like, a real John Jansen in the flesh. But then the women are going, or half the women, sorry, the picnic table group, they're going to this spa day, which turns out to not be that relaxing. Because after the perfumer asks Emily her favorite scent and she says tacos, which again, I just, I laughed so hard, Gina accidentally lets the cat out of the bag that Alexis has been threatening these videos of Shannon. Because she's like, oh, well, you know, sometimes you got to write the check because then there's It's going to be the videos. And the way that everyone's face just drops.

And Shannon's like, what videos? What videos? What videos? What what videos? What videos? What videos? It's very name them. Like what videos is kind of.

And I feel, honestly, I feel for everybody in that moment because Gina immediately is like, I wasn't, I wasn't supposed to. say that. And she's like, obviously she feels bad because she has like unveiled this thing that was, everybody was trying to handle delicately except Alexis. But then also she's like, wait, fuck, now I have to be the one who's like presenting this information. And not only did I not want that from like a emotional perspective, but I also am not prepared for like how this is going to be received or strategized or whatever. Emily's just kind of looking like, uh, yeah, yeah, the videos, the videos, the videos. Shannon, of course, is like in a panic. She's like, what videos, what videos, what videos?

Katie kind of is the only one keeping it together, which maybe makes more sense because Katie is kind of befriending Alexis at this point. So I think she's like a little more. even keeled and a little bit less like team Shannon in all of this. But Katie is the one who eventually is just like, it's the ring camera footage from the night of the DUI. And Shannon is immediately like crumbles. Because first of all, it's like this double whammy of like not only is the the gravity of the situation a lot to handle emotionally, but then you add to that that it's like,

she doesn't know what's on this ring camera. video. She doesn't remember everything from that night. She maybe doesn't even know what she does and doesn't remember. And so the idea that first of all, there's this like, just the whole situation in general that it's like her ex-John and his new woman Alexis have these videos that they're threatening to release. Like that is shitty. But then also she's like, wait, what's in the videos? So it could be a nothing burger. It could be really, really bad for her. her. But either way, she's like breaking down because she feels like she's been doing so much work on herself. She's been, you know, going through so much in the last three months. And now she's like,

okay, I need to call my lawyer. It's tough to watch. Whether or not you like, like, like Shannon or think that she is, you know, in the right in any of this, it's hard to watch somebody like be in such an emotionally raw place and deal with receiving this information in real time on camera. I mean, I don't think that Gina did this intentionally. I think that it really was kind of this like swirling thing and eventually somebody is going to slip up. But I'm kind of, I mean, I'm glad that it happened on camera. Because that moment, I mean, it's a real, you can tell.

And Gina, like, you can tell. And Shannon comes back into the room. It's just her and Gina. She says that she has told her lawyers. to pay John Jansen, whatever he wants, that it's, she's done with this. She can't, she can't keep going down this road if they're going to be kind of, you know, bringing this level of heat. And she, I thought it was really a key thing is that she thanks Gina for telling her,

or for, you know, I guess not telling her, but like kind of spilling the beans. Because Shannon, like, deep down, Shannon just wants this to be over. And obviously she didn't want to page on the 75K. But at the end of the day, she knows that she's not in it for this big legal fight. She's not in it to go to court. She doesn't want a settlement. She doesn't want a trial. She doesn't want, you know, whatever.

And so, I mean, as much as it sucks that she paid him out at the end of the day, I feel like it was the right thing. But then later we get this scene where Shannon goes to talk to Heather. They're supposed to be getting ready for dinner. Shannon is still in her robe, you know, looking like she's been crying for four hours straight. and she like shares this extra detail about the night of the DUI. And it's a little bit, it's one of those things where like when somebody lays out the story and you're like, okay, so then what happened? And they're like, no, no, no, that's the story.

And you're like, okay. So then what happened? And you're like, no, no, no, that's it. So Shannon is saying that the night of the DUI, she got in the accident. She hit the planter, whatever, three to five seconds after pulling out of the drive. driveway. She passed out. She woke up in the hospital. Yada, yada, yada. So her friend was asking her, like, if you got in the accident that fast after leaving John's house, wouldn't he have heard it and come running outside to like see what happened? Because it clearly was close enough to his house

that he would have heard it and he would have been able to like quickly come and assess the situation. But that's not what happened because Shannon after the, right after the accident, before I guess she passed out, I don't know, she had like minutes, seconds of consciousness. She took a selfie of her bloody face, which is pretty gnarly, by the way. Seeing this photo, I'm like, oh, fuck. And she texted this selfie to John Jansen. This was at like midnight. And then John's next text to her was at like 1.30 in the morning being like, hey, the police just came to my house and brought Archie. What happened? So this took a second to click for me. But I guess what Shannon is sort of painting the picture of is that John didn't really seem to give a shit or, you know, respond to Shannon or, you know, check on her or see what was wrong.

until like two hours later when the police brought Archie to the house and then he was like, what did you do? And so I mean, it's a little bit like, okay, I guess, yeah, that makes him seem like a bad guy that he wouldn't come outside to like see if she was okay. But I also feel like we already have established that like you guys fought that night or weren't on good terms or whatever. So like, okay, you already were telling me he's a bad guy. And now I'm like, oh, wow, it seems like he's a bad guy. And it's like, yeah, like, if I believed you before, I still do. It's just one of those things where I feel like sometimes the laying out like the specific timeline of a situation. It's honestly kind of like what happened on the Dubai finale, talking about like bragging about Stanbury's mom's farm or whatever.

It's like, who cares? And obviously this is a more heightened situation. Shannon, you know, was like physically injured, which is it sucks to think that this guy, even if you weren't on good terms, wouldn't like come outside and be like, hey, are you like physically okay? But at the end of the day, it's like, okay, she didn't like John before and she still doesn't like him. And maybe there's like one more, you know, tally in the like con column. But like, okay. I don't know. I hope that this 75K thing is put to bed because I feel like no, nothing good is coming from this.

And like, if we're not going to see John also, it's like we can't keep going in circles about this. But I do feel like there's still a lot of other stuff that I'm excited to unpack for the rest of the season. I mean, all the Jen and Ryan stuff that's still coming, you know, even even some of the stuff with like Jen and Tamara and Shannon, I think is going to be really interesting. But yeah, I mean, God. That photo. That's going to be in my mind for a little bit. But that is today's episode. That is this week.

Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. On Monday, I'm excited. We're going to talk a little bit about this new Hulu show that you may or may not have seen the trailer for it, The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It's like, it feels housewives adjacent.

It kind of reminds me of like if real houseways of Salt Lake City had gone a different direction, this is like what it might have been. So we're going to get into a little bit of that. And of course, lots of Bravo stuff. So don't be too turned off if you're not watching that show. But I'm excited to talk about a lot of stuff next week. And of course, thank you so much for listening.

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