Mention It All - A Private Investigator’s Paradise Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Reunion)

Episode Date: June 14, 2023

For one last time this season, Dylan and Jordana are back to discuss the latest episode of RHONJ. In a bleak part 3 of the reunion, Louie’s threatening energy is the main undercurrent, while Teresa and Joe’s relationship reaches an all-time low. Meanwhile, John Fuda turns in a strong performance, and the Frankie Catania job discussion leaves us with more questions than answers. Finally, it’s time to grapple with the biggest question: who stays and who goes? Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast I'm Dylan Hayfer And here to To close the chapter On the book of peace Of New Jersey

For this season with me Is Jordana Abraham Hi Jordana Hi Jordana Hi Dylan I could not be more excited To finish the

season with this weird-ass episode. We came up. We came here to close the chapter. You know, this might be the last time we ever speak. I'll be back next year. I don't ever want to see your face after today. This is the final battle royale. You said it when we sat down to record a few minutes ago.

A weird episode. Yeah. Ended weird. Started weird. It's tough. I think going into this reunion with all the kind of, of amplifying that had happened up until this point, it felt like, and it still feels like this is a kind of pivotal final moment, closing a chapter of the Gorga Jude Ice, you know, era. But there isn't,

there isn't going to be a neat, wrapped in a bow conclusion. Nobody won. Nobody got knocked out at the end of this reunion. Yeah. There was no one who was like eviscerated. I mean, and Andy kind of said it, well, right, in some ways where he was like, you guys seem like you've been like more honest and like cutting through like going straight to your point of your emotions instead of sort of dancing around at the season. But that hasn't actually resulted in anything good happening either. Yeah. And I think from a viewer perspective too, there's so much there's so much kind of like antagonizing

between the two sides of the cast and on social media. And it's like the thing about this reunion is that no nobody's mind is being changed. this point. It's kind of like, it's, I feel like it's sort of like American politics where it's like you can think the other person is so wrong. Yeah. But there's no actual way to explain to them, like how to get them to change their mind. It's like with the debates or something where you're kind of like the only thing that's happening is people are getting strongerly affirmed in their own viewpoints. Right. And well, well, you know, Rachel and Danielle end up making a truce and Jennifer and Margaret pretend that they don't have any real issues.

Yeah, I was not believing that one. With Teresa and Melissa, there's not even going to be this kind of like reunion truce moment of like a, yeah, I think we could work on this going forward. Like there just isn't, they barely want to be in the same room together, let alone, you know, hugging it out at the end. Yeah. But to me, I kind of seemed clear that they're both going to be back next season. Like, agree.

And I think I've seen more people say. that in the last, oh, as this reunion has been airing, I think prior to the reunion, it felt like this was going to be kind of like the title fight and then, you know, win or take all, loser, get the fuck out. Yeah. But it does kind of feel like this still is the... I think we still need them both. It's still the story we're tracking. Yeah. I think, honestly, from a, from a network decision standpoint, the biggest question mark is like, is Louie a liability that we are willing to keep on the air? Because I think the whole theme of this third part of the reunion was really like the sinister energy that Louis has either directly brought to the group or is happens to be in the

group at the same time that he is now here. Yeah. I think that was the thing that maybe I was most convinced of after the three-part reunion finished was like not that either one of them was going to rain, but that Louis's kind of like a huge shit starter. Yeah, it's tough because the idea of him specifically hiring private investigators is one thing. And I guess we don't know definitively because he says that he did not. But he did say that he did. That's why I was very concerned. I feel like I was getting gas late like in the same moment where he was saying no, but then he was saying yes.

Well, Trudena, it was misstated, but then he said it again the next day, exactly the same way. But he was stressed and there was a lot going on. And also the security guard. He's like, my private investigator told me to hire the security guard. But I thought he's like, I thought you just said you didn't have a private investigator. Well, he's friends with the private investigator, but perhaps he's, he's saying he didn't hire Bo Diedel, but Bo Diedel is a close friend. And then Bo Diedel has sent this security guard on his behalf. But I really think he's kind of, I think he's kind of beating around the bush here of like they may have some arrangement where Louis is not technically writing Bo Diedel a check to be investigating John Fuda.

But that maybe they're like, oh, yeah, you know, like what did you find out about my friend John? Here, let me pay you for the pizza. Right. Well, maybe it's a barter for publicity because I, you know, that, I definitely didn't know who that was before this. And if I ever need a private investigator. Look, Sam, now that this season is over, if there's like a good book out there about private investigators or something, that sounds interesting because everybody on the couch is like, he's one of the most renowned private investigators. I'm like, renowned where? In what circle, right?

In North Jersey, apparently this is a booming industry. Is it a thing? I don't know. In North Jersey, everyone has a private investigator unless you're poor, like Margaret. And you have to do your own research. When Rachel's like, Melissa and I were at dinner and Bo Tito was sitting at the next table, I'm like, this is creepy. Does he live there? I don't know.

I don't know. But yeah, it's like aside from the yes or no question of did Louis hire these people, he keeps throwing out these kind of non-specific threat-like statements. You know, I know everything. Your time is coming. You'll regret this. Right. Let's play. Like that whole.

if he didn't do the stuff that people think he did, he is not doing a very good job of making himself seem like the kind of person who wouldn't do that. Right. It's just like especially confusing to me because he's saying that he's as a private investigator, but also not saying that he doesn't. I just don't like is that not the case? Is he not saying that like he works with one? Well, I think he, it's so unclear to me like what his actual intention was when he said that on camera,

multiple times in the finale. And then now he seems to, he seems to have this idea that if he admits to this, it will be bad for him. Right. But everybody already in their mind thinks or knows that he did this. So it's a little bit like, why are we pretending? Yeah, it makes him look worse.

Everybody on the couch has their own personal receipts of like, this is what happened with my son's mother. This is a happen. You know, you called the job. I have the phone record. Especially John Fuda seemed like particularly heated. John Fuda, what a reunion performance. I know.

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing him next season. I know. Annie, can I ask a question? Why did you bring my son's mother into this? Why'd you have me investigate? Like, he's taking his destiny into his own hands. But he's very calm when doing it. So that's very, I think he's a, he could be a sleeper hit for next year.

I agree. People, judging from social media this season, people were really liking John. So I think, I think he and Rachel. will definitely be back next season. It was, but then at the very end, Louis is a little bit trying to have his cake and eat it too, because at the very end, things have been so hectic.

He goes over to Rachel. He's like, can I just say, Rachel, I think you're an amazing mother. I think it's beautiful what you're doing. And John is like, no, fuck off. Right. You're not going to be like coming over here and being our friends

while you're not admitting to this thing that at least I feel like I know that you did. Yeah. And he's kind of like, this is a manipulation tactic. You're trying to like play nice when it's over so that like to manipulate these people. And I think that there are some people who are better better at realizing that than others. Yeah. I think we've seen this kind of thing from him where he's into the meditation and he, you know, is speaking rationally about situations. And even the way he talks to Teresa sometimes, it's like, hey, calm down. Don't do this. Don't overreact. whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever. But then clearly...

Does the same thing. That's not actually how he, like, moves through the world. Right. It's like a segment. It almost seems like that's like a segmented part of him, like a compartmentalized part of him that he uses in situations that he think will benefit him. But that's not who he truly is. Yeah.

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I was happy to hear that Frank is moving out of David's house. He and Brittany are buying a place together. That's a big, you know what? I think Brittany should thank Dolores because I think that Dolores has basically ended their weird, like, non-traditional thing. And I don't think that Frank would feel like he was like in this, that he was in this very bizarre situation if Dolores hadn't basically cut off that awkward family dynamic.

Like I think he might be still living with David if Dolores was still into having him in her life to the extent that she did before. Right. If he was still popping by Dolores's house and going out to dinner with her all the time. But it is, yeah, I, I'm glad to see Frank like moving on with his life a little bit. Yeah. Although the Frank Jr. thing was also interesting. I find it very odd that Dolores has such an intense loyalty to Teresa that she will not touch anything negative that is said about her.

She will not add on. She seems to have like some sort of behind the scenes agreement with Teresa that she is not going to say anything that goes against her. Because she never has, which I find to be just very weird for someone who seems so level-headed. Well, and it's, it feels like a very specific dynamic in the sense that Dolores doesn't always agree with Teresa. She doesn't always, you know, she's not always fighting her battles or, you know, she doesn't play the Teresa soldier the same way that Jennifer Aiden does or Danielle this season. But there is this kind of, it feels like there's this ground level understanding that it's like there will not be, I will not go like turn on you. Yes. And in this specific situation, so last episode we saw backstage the guys talking about

and Frankie talking about how his son had been working for Louis and then basically the company shut down and Louis sort of ghosted Frankie Jr. Yeah. On stage, you know, Joe Gorga clearly really wants this information to come out. I mean, Joe Gorga wants to make Louis look bad. Yeah. And Dolores and Frank are not going to talk about it. Which is weird because Frank was talking about it backstage like quite a bit.

Right. And it's very, very strange. Dolores is almost bordering on threatening Joe and Melissa to not say more than they're saying. You know, she's like, we've never had a problem. We don't want to have a problem now. Don't bring me into this. Right. Yeah.

Don't bring my son into this. you know, Joe is specifically saying, Louie, is that what happened? What happened? Come on. Say what happened. And it's so weird because obviously, Louis, Frank, Dolores don't want this information out as a topic of conversation for whatever reason. But the way that this moment unfolds makes me want to know even more. For sure. It makes it seem like they're covering something. Yeah. And I mean, I love Dolores. I think she's like a great person. She seems awesome on the show. But. But I do think she only really has her like personal evolution as her storyline. And she really, at least this season, did not have much to do with any of the drama among any of the women. Yeah. Which I don't feel like she's carrying her weight there. I think you kind of need to pick a side eventually.

Well, I think especially having comparing her and Jennifer over the last few seasons, the way that Jennifer really puts in the work sometimes to a degree that's like a little much versus. is Dolores. It's like, I, I think Dolores is one of the most personally interesting housewives. I think she, she has brought a lot to the show in terms of her family. Obviously, Frank is a huge part of this show over the last few years as well. But I agree that it's like, there has to be taking the high road isn't a storyline. Yeah. And she just does it. She won't, she won't engage to, to quote Meredith Marks. Meredith Marks, who I saw yesterday. Oh, really?

Yeah, she had a breakfast event, and it was like jewelry, and she's launching caviar. Interesting. Caviar. Very hot right now. I sampled the Meredith Marks caviar. It was good. It was good. I mean, tasted like caviar.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I'm not as much of a caviar enthusiast that I would be like, this one is better than this one. She and Seth are doing a podcast together in the fall. Oh, really? It'll be interesting. Interesting. I digress.

But yeah, I think, I think Dolores is kind of. an interesting question mark. If Teresa were to leave the show, kind of how would she regroup? If Teresa stays on the show and things are perhaps even more polarized than they were this season. Should be forced to take a stand?

Right. And will she kind of, you know, it's kind of like when you have, you know, like a friend that's in a relationship and you don't really like the person and you have to decide like if and when to say something. thing and like how strong of a, you know, how do you handle that kind of situation? And I feel like

Dolores, this feels like the reunion where everybody kind of was jumping ship from Louis a little bit. And Dolores isn't ready to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, he told her that he didn't hire private investigators. Well, if he said it, it must be true. That was a rare moment for Joe Benigno to get, well, he lied. Right. It's like there's a reason. Right. There's an explanation for for why that is a conflicting story. He said he did it. I don't know. Well, he said. Oh, Jennifer. Jennifer, I believe she knows. I believe she knows better. She just doesn't always choose to pay attention to it. Jennifer is like a one-track loyalty mind, I think. Yeah. Bill, I guess is doing better. He's more less closed off. I don't know. He's like, I'm definitely not going to any of my kids games, but. He's like, look, have I missed a lot? Yes. Is being a surgeon good for being a parent?

No. But I'm not. I'm not going to change anything? He's like, I'm not in the pool house all night just for an hour. Okay. Okay, Bill. Yeah, I don't.

That to me is kind of like, I think we talked about this last week, but it's like, you're going to sweep it under the rug. You're either going to make changes or we should probably just like stop worrying about. Yeah. It just feels like they didn't, they would decide. Like, there was such an interesting plot line. And then they were just like, let's just kill it. We don't really want to talk about it.

We prefer that not to be our story. Yeah. So getting back into the bow dodle of it all, there's a security person downstairs. Andy has to literally scream at Teresa and them. Andy was annoyed. I think this was, we have seen Andy, you know, flustered, having to raise his voice to get people to shut up. You know, this is not like the first time that we've seen Andy kind of like a little bit heated. But I feel like this was, this felt like a uniquely difficult.

reunion for him to referee. Well, I think that he was kind of, I think he was having it with Teresa because he kept being like, you better let her finish like or like you have to stop doing that. And then final, I think Teresa was like kind of she, you could see it in her face where she was like being put in her place a little bit by Andy. Yeah. And I think it's, it's tough because when people are having conflicts like this on a reunion and they're both in the first chair and it's hard because for the reuse.

format, we need to see them both speak and have time to say what's on their mind. And Teresa's like instinct is like anytime Melissa is speaking at this reunion is just like, shut the fuck up. I don't want to listen to you. I want to talk to my brother. You know, I'm done with you. You're the devil. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's like that's not how these things work. Right. I thought there was specifically a moment where she was like, I want to talk to my brother. Shut up. I'm done with you. and Melissa's like, you just, an hour ago, you said you disowned us. So like, right. Well, it seems like, I mean, it seems like the only way that Teresa is going to get along

with her brother would be if they, like, got divorced. Yeah. Like, it seems she would love that. Yeah. But Gia wouldn't, apparently. Apparently. So there was this thing that Joe had said about how Gia said that he could do better than Melissa. Yeah.

And so Teresa is incensed. over this. She whips out her phone, calls Gia, sweet Gia is at Colchella. Planted, right? I'm sure. I would assume so. I mean, like, I don't know. But Andy takes the phone. He asks her, you know, did you say the thing? She's like, no, I would never. And the fact that my, it's so funny because when Teresa, when she picks up the phone, it's as if she doesn't know that the reunion is happening. She's like, Mommy, the resort I might is so nice. Like the hotel is beautiful. Oh, how. How? Hi, Andy. Oh, oh, wait, what's, what's the question? Oh, yeah. No, she did, he didn't say, I didn't say that. And by the way, I think it's despicable that my uncle would say that. Right. It's very, it felt very, like, scripted. Yes. And I don't, this is, that's not like a dis on Gia. I think that she was being a supportive daughter in a very specific way. Right. I think she and Teresa discussed that like she was going to get on and refute this claim. Though I do think, so this is what precipitates Teresa. storming out of the room.

She's just so furious over. It's just so weird that she would get so mad about that because that is a belief that she inherently has and that she's not shy about erring, that she doesn't like Melissa and that she constantly thinks that she's doing things to her brother that are not right. So why is it such a crazy belief that she would say that he could do better than Melissa? She clearly believes that. I know. But so she gets heated.

She says she would never raise her kids that way. mommy and daddy, you should be ashamed. She turns out, don't come following me. Who was she talking to? That is such a good question because we do see Louis goes out to the hallway. Andy eventually goes out and talks her back in to basically finish things up. But it's like, did you think Joe was going to come follow you? Yeah, was that who she was talking to?

It clearly wasn't Melissa. I don't know. So she calls Gia again from the hallway. and is like talking through things. And there's, so they give an alternate explanation for this like Joe can do better thing, which is that at the time this was right before the wedding, they had decided they weren't coming. And Gia said that Joe could do better like as a supportive brother to her mom, which I have no problem accepting that as like that's what Gia said. and then it got taken into a different direction.

But that to me doesn't mean that automatically we know Gia's never made a similar comment to the Melissa thing. Yeah. To me, that was kind of just like semantics. And I'm sure it's possible. I wouldn't be like shocked if that all. But clearly in the same conversation she was talking shit about Melissa or else that wouldn't have, he wouldn't have even thought that was an option that he was saying. You can do better.

Yeah. I think honestly, it's like between the two families at this point. point, it's like things are just so broken down and toxic that it's almost, it's a little fruitless to pick apart like one specific comment that somebody made one time on a certain phone call because it's like so many things have been said. So much harm has been done from both directions. And it's just kind of like, why are we still doing this? Right. It's very much like besides the point. Like you were saying. And I think that's, I mean, that kind of lends itself to the feeling that this reunion is like a final thing between the two of them. It's tough to see.

I honestly got emotional a little bit watching the last few minutes of the episode because it, not because I'm like, oh, it makes me so sad that they're not like hugging it out and besties again or whatever. But just that it's like, this, it sucks to see a family in this place. And, you know, Teresa breaking out the Italian and saying. you broke my heart in Italian over and over again. Joe saying, you know, never say never. I'm not happy with you right now, but if you got an accident tomorrow, I would run. Well, they're both kind of like, we love you.

Yeah. It's kind of like we love you. We just don't like you. Yeah. Which is sort of like how people feel. And I think that's probably relatable too to a lot of people who like have strained relationships with their family where it's like, I love you. I'm bound to you with like my DNA.

And, you know, we have a history together. which I value, but I don't really like you. Right. And like I love you enough to to walk away. Right. And also to give you an organ if you needed one. Right. And so it's like they're putting us on this ride one last time of like these people

have been so awful to each other. But at the same time, it's like, it's, you're my blood. I guess. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I still just don't really get. why they hate each other so much. It just seems like.

Yeah. Right. It's like after all of these years, when it comes down to it, it's like, what are we fighting about? Melissa coming on the show. But then there's just random resentments from like the past 20 years that are just keep being brought up. Like Joe Judey's business partner and you didn't invite me to dinner and like all these little things that I guess just became these like. But I don't think it's about any of them. No.

Yeah. And that's what's, I think that that's part of why it feels like something has to give in the future of this show that it's like is next season and the season after it and the season after that really still just going behind Teresa's back in 2010. Right. Are we can we can this franchise really never be about anything else? I think it could be. They just need to like subdue this storyline a little bit. I don't think it's ever going to disappear, especially if they're both back. But I think it could be like less of a proportion of what everyone's talking about. It can be about Danielle and her brother. Yeah. That'd be brush. Yeah. I do think there is there's potential to be explored.

It just is it's tough to imagine if both of them stay on the show. Do we just pretend? Do we just not bring it up? Like it's it's tough to think about kind of how that would work, even though I don't necessarily want to spend another season talking about Teresa and Melissa. Can they be in the same room together? It was so funny when Teresa was like, yeah, I was nice this season because I was getting married. Like, not because I'm a nice person, but like I just wanted there to be.

It is funny how sometimes people on these shows kind of like lose their minds a little bit when they're getting married. Like, do you remember the season of New York when Luann was getting married to Tom? And they were like, any trip they went on, it was like, well, I'm getting married. So I should have the nicest room. Or the cabaret. It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah.

No one cares, but you. Right. It's like wedding break. Like in Teresa's mind, like this entire season was like her wedding season. Which I actually feel like it was not to me. When I look back at it, I'm not like, oh, that was like the focal point. Oh, and thank God. There's nothing I like less than when a wedding becomes the focal point for an entire season of a Bravo show.

Yeah. And maybe she thought it would be. But I really don't think it pandan. out that way. Right. And it's like, okay, the Ireland trip was like framed as a bachelorette or the, you know, there was an event that was like her shower or whatever, but none of it was really like, we weren't watching her wedding plan. We weren't really talking about that. Right. Right. Like even the, the day when the daughters were trying on the bridesmaids dresses, like that scene was really about Joe Judey's calling her. Yeah. I mean, I think Teresa really strongly feels that this is her show.

Yeah. And that she is like the. of it, which in some ways is not like completely untrue. Like she has, she has to give her credit, been through the most on the show of anyone. Like, what has followed her full life. Like, her daughter was born on the show and now she's like, I don't know what, 13. Yeah. Or something. So she has, it is intricately tied to her life in a way that I don't think it is, it is tied to anyone else's. Yeah. I think it's, it's a question that has come up over the last four or five years on a lot of these franchises that have been on for a long time of what is the show really about what makes the show the show vicky leaving orange county is a big one you know what they're

doing with rony right now is a complete reshuffle reboot and we'll see how it goes but like just because a franchise has been one thing bravo has shown us that that is not no one is safe yeah well i think that it is in Bravo's best interest to not make it about one person, to make it about the group, to make it about the dynamics, to make it about the full cast. Because if you make it about one person, one, that person will demand too much money. And that's just like as a business. If the person feels they're indispensable, then they hold the cards. And I don't think Bravo is like in the business of giving any one person the cards to an entire franchise or mini business that they have. So you really have to be careful because it's not in Bravo's best interest.

to make it the Teresa show. And I think that's a big part about why it wasn't, her wedding wasn't the big to do maybe she thought it would be because they're not trying to make it just about her. They're trying to hedge their bets on a bunch of different people. Right. They want you, they want you to get to know the new women and to like them and be invested in their journeys. They want to bring on these friends of and test them out and see if they have potential to be housewives next season. Like all of those things that you kind of see mechanically at work are strategic and, you know, obviously they need their stars and they need people who are really going to bring in the audience and bring people coming back and people buying

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Really quickly, we didn't talk about the Jacqueline thing at all this episode, and that made me. laugh so hard when Andy was like not it's funny because like sometimes when someone Andy really will only like get involved in bringing up stuff when it's so blatant and like it's so like egregious and crazy when someone is just yeah doing something so absurd that he has to say it well so first Andy asks Joe about what Teresa was saying about Jacqueline prior to him coming on the stage um and Frank chimes in this was I don't know if this is new information or if something I had forgotten about Frank says that he was Joe's attorney at the time.

That was really funny. On the spot gets Joe to waive the attorney-client privilege. And he says that Joe was asked by the FBI to come down to West Patterson and discuss Joe Judice. And Joe never showed up or said a word. I mean, that's good. It's compelling. I think the admission that the FBI was talking to Joe is interesting. And I have no reason to believe that Joe.

that that's not the truth. Yeah. No, I totally, I don't think Joe would do that. I think that like, for all his shit with Teresa, I do think he actually loves her. Yeah.

And I don't think he hates Joe Judice either. I think there was, there were a lot of complicated feelings about the way that they got sent to prison and, you know, the parents and all of that stuff. Like it's, it was a shitty situation all around.

But yeah, I don't think that flashback like seven years. years. I don't think Joe Gorga's like aim was to ruin Joe Judeyce. Yeah. And I actually think he would like, if Teresa would like apologize or like come really want to work it out, I think he would he would do that. Yeah. I don't know. But Teresa says that Jacqueline has no reason to lie about any of this, which I think the fact that we're talking about Jacqueline on TV in 23 is reason enough for her. I mean, Jacqueline also texted all this mean shit about her to like two episodes ago to Jackie. To Jackie.

It's kind of like, even if she doesn't have a reason to lie, she clearly says things to various people that she doesn't say to others. Well, I just think if there's somebody who hasn't gotten to be on TV in a while and suddenly we're talking about them on TV, there's a motivation there. Like more people are Googling what is Jacqueline Lareda up to than they have. I did. I looked at her Instagram. More people are popping over to her Instagram than they have it. since, you know, 2017. So. Right. There's always motivation.

There's always motivation. We are on TV. But Andy says that Teresa's standing, Jacqueline, suddenly is the joke of the century. And then they show us this like wide ranging montage of all of the shitty things Teresa has said about Jacqueline. Truly the editors were like scraping the barrel and I appreciated it. I appreciated it too. I also appreciated when you ever get those flashbacks. I'm like, this is what this person.

personally still look like. She looks so different. Yeah. Right. It is, yeah. Like, even just like Teresa's hair. Yes. It's such a journey.

And I saw, I saw a photo of her recently where it was like, her hair used to be so like jet black and. Oh, yeah. The whole texture changed. Like, watching just visually, it's a journey. And of course, I mean, Teresa railed on Jacqueline for years.

Yeah. And so. Hated her. So funny. It's so funny. For her to just be like, Jacqueline's the greatest girl. She has no reason to lie.

And now I believe everything she has to say about Melissa. It's just funny. And it's funny for somebody in Teresa's position who's been on this show for like 15 years. She knows they have footage. She knows they have footage. And she also knows or she should know how people operate in the periphery of this show. Think about Kim D, Kim G. all of the people over the years who have like, you know, been in the shadows of Real Housewives of New Jersey,

it's like all of these people have like ulterior motives that are going to say what they need to say to like either get attention or get on camera or make somebody else look bad. Like it's just I feel like the housewives IQ should be a little higher. Yeah. I would say Teresa's big flaw in the show and why she doesn't look that good that often or at least I mean, some people would disagree with me. a lot of people love her, I know. But she's very short-sighted. She doesn't know that, like, the thing you say now, if it's in contradiction to something you've said before,

is not going to make you look good. Yeah. I don't think she sees that. And I think Melissa's strategy, just returning to the very end of the episode, when Andy's kind of asking, like, okay, what's up? How are we feeling?

Melissa's strategy, she just says, I, you know, I want the best for Teresa. I worry about her. And I'll go with, I'll go along with whatever the family decides. Like, she's kind of playing it safe a little bit and saying, like, I'm not going to be the one to say, today's the last time I ever talked to my brother. I'm closing a door.

I don't want to ever see you again. Melissa's like, look, I'm going to stay on the show probably. Right. I'll do whatever you need me to do. Well, it's also like it's her brother's sister, right? Yeah. I mean, it's her husband's sister. Yes.

So it does make sense. Like, if that were, just in terms of family dynamics, it would be like, I'm not going to make you estranged from your sister. That has to be your choice. And if you don't want to be estranged from her, like, I will be fine with it. Right. And it's like I, Melissa, I think, has always at least portrayed herself to hate Teresa less than Teresa hates her. And I think that's very accurate. I think there is some sort of like deep seated hatred of, of, and you could sit in, Melissa says that at the end, it's like, Teresa, you could see it in her face. She hates her like so strongly. She has such intense, negative feelings for her.

And there's got to be something behind that. I just don't really understand why. Yeah. And, you know, unfortunately, this reunion was not able to answer all of those questions for us. We don't know, we don't know, we don't know about that. We don't know, we don't know what happened with Frankie Jr's job. So many questions. I still feel like we don't know what happened with the pizza ovens, but I don't even care to get into that.

I mean, that just seems like it's funny that John, John Fuda was like, yeah, you just need a contract. Right, like you get a piece of paper. Yeah, and he's like, John Fuddin, you're in business. Like, what do you think of this situation? It's like, oh, business? Like there should be a contract. Like, roundbreaking.

Wow. Right. You know, the thing we all signed so that we're here filming a TV show. Yes. Make one of those if you're starting a business with someone that you fight with historically, constantly. But Louis, Louis, like, I just wrote a check for a hundred and a thousand dollars. It's like, okay.

Well, you know. Maybe some of our questions will be answered next season. Maybe not, but either way, this has been a great one, Jordana. So great to be here. I hope I'm back next year. I'm sure there'll be a lot to unpack. And, you know, maybe we'll find one or two times to get you in between now and then. But in the meantime, thank you so much.

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