Mention It All - A Real She Said/She Said Ft. Samantha Bush (RHOBH)

Episode Date: September 23, 2022

Samantha Bush joins Dylan once again to discuss the multilayered dynamics on this week’s RHOBH. With Rinna as the sole witness to Kathy’s alleged meltdown in Aspen, will the group sweep her behavior under the rug? Probably! They also discuss how this episode helped Erika’s image, and why Crystal’s birthday party was depressing. They also unpack two contradictory updates on David Beador’s divorce. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am here today on a random Friday with a good friend of mine, Samantha Bush. Hello. Hi, you're very musical this morning. I don't know. I'm feeling like Lucy Goosey.

all of a sudden. I love it. I love it. And now I don't know what's happening. I like it a lot. You're feeling fresh and loose. It's a Friday. Well, normally, normally if I'm recording on a Friday, it's like a 15 minute solo episode about Southern Charm where I just kind of like spiral to myself a little bit. If you've, anybody who's listened, you'll understand. But so today to sit down with you for like a real conversation, uh, about something as important as Beverly Hills, like it's a different vibe. Dylan, it's so important what we're here to talk about today. Like what and I didn't talk about Beverly Hills.

I haven't really talked about it at all. So this is, I'm feeling like I'm ready to go. I have a lot of thoughts. I am ready to, I'm ready to go too. I have a lot of thoughts. But quickly before we got into Beverly Hills, I do just want to take a moment to talk about the Bador drama that has gone down this week. So going back just to,

a few short days to Monday. We found out that Leslie and David were getting divorced, but then Leslie posted this thing on Wednesday. It's a photo of her and David on her Instagram story. And she writes, My husband filed a request for dismissal a few days ago. Now, back to your regular programming. But my favorite thing about this story is that she also tags herself three times on the story slide. So if you were to actually read it from top to bottom in order, it would say, at Leslie Bador, my husband filed a request for dismissal a few days ago at Leslie Bador. Now back to your regular programming at Leslie Bador. So that is so weird. She's a wackadoo. I kind of in a silly goofy mood. She's in a silly goofy mood. She's so what I, so in the story, I didn't understand why she tagged herself three separate times. And then on her Instagram post, which basically just like regurgitated what she had said in her Instagram story, she also tagged herself in the photo. And that was me just assuming that was like her watermarking the photo herself.

So that really got me good. I was like, oh, is this like watermark? But it's just a simple tag. It's not, it really made me laugh. Interpreting it as a watermark is an interesting, a close reading of the text. here. Yeah. Who else would be,

who else would be like taking credit for this story where it literally says my husband filed a request for dismissal? Like nobody else is trying to marry David Bajor, girl. Listen, I have to also say, she posted a photo of her and Dave with their baby, and that baby is really beautiful.

It is a beautiful baby. I'm looking at a photo right now. The eyes are so blue. You're saying. Very David. Very David. David vibes. But so then she posted that on Wednesday and then on Wednesday evening, page six published an article by Eileen Ruslin saying that a public information officer for the Superior Court

of California and Orange County tells page six there hasn't been any request to dismiss at this time. They also verified that no request was in the queue to be filed as there was also no evidence of the alleged dismissal request in the case docket. So Leslie has posted this story with the strange tags. And then pretty immediately, the literal court is like, girl, you're lying. Yeah. They're like, no, no, no. We, this is actually happening.

It, which makes me just want to know what is the communication like with her and David. Is he, what is he telling her? Are they really reconciling? But he's still not ready to like dismiss it completely because he's like unsure. I really desperately want a sit down with him and Shannon on camera next season. I don't know. I'm like trying to think about my soul being able to handle that. And I think it would depend a lot on what Shannon's like state of mind is because I don't want to see shit.

Like I don't want to see like broken Shannon being like ricked over the polls again by David. I want like Shannon to be winning. I would want David to come to Shannon like I'm sorry for everything I put you through and the girls. Like I would really want him. And I don't want them to reconcile. That's not at all what I'm saying. But I do desperately want just a conversation or I want her to bring up like he's getting divorced. Like what a moment for what a win for Shannon.

I know. And I had our friends Dave Quinn. on this podcast on Monday, and he told me, Little Birdie in the Tree, that Shannon Bador was filming when she found out about the divorce. So a win for us all, a win for the people. It really is. It's a win for the people. We don't get many. The People versus David Bador, American crime story. Yeah, get Ryan Murphy on it. Sarah Paulson could play Shannon Bador. Oh, that's interesting. But so, okay, what everyone can agree on is that Kathy had a meltdown at the Caribou Club, which was not captured on camera because I guess this is some like secret society that doesn't allow filming, which is bullshit. But Kathy, nobody wanted to do the conga line.

And I can understand. Sometimes a girl just wants to conga. I think what happened and I've really, I've spent, you know, a few days thinking about this is like with Kathy and Kyle, it's a very complex. complicated relationship. And all they want from one another is like approval. And so when they don't get that, I think it really sent Kyle or Kathy over the edge. Like first the tequila, like she felt like everybody, you know, like everyone was kind of being really dismissive of her.

That was just really sad to watch, honestly. And then Kyle, of course, doesn't stick up for Kathy at all because that's just Kyle's, what she does with her sister. She doesn't stand up for them. And then not doing the conga line and like I'm sure other things were going on in the club and she just kind of lost it. Yeah. Put her over the end. I think one thing that Rina brought up that was interesting to me this episode is that the idea that Kathy has never had the level of fame and success on her own that Kim had when they were younger and that now.

Kyle has kind of achieved. Obviously, Kathy is extremely wealthy and married into this kind of like dynasty type of family. And because of that, she maybe has a higher place in like society than Kyle or Kim have had. But she hasn't really had her own success in the way that Kim and Kyle have. And I think a lot of the time we've viewed Kathy as kind of like the pinnacle of that family. And so it's almost like you think Kyle is going to be like sucking up to her sister. But to think of it kind of turned on its head where it's like actually Kyle maybe has the thing that Kathy could want or think that she deserved and didn't get. And so like that was an interesting thought just because in my head, I'm like, well, Kathy's like the just one, so she's on top.

Right. Right. And I see a lot of people on social media saying, like, it's Kathy fucking Hilton, but like, I didn't really know Kathy Hilton other than being Paris's mom. Like, I just knew she was wealthy and was the mom of Paris and Nikki Hilton. Like, that's all I knew about Kathy before she joined. Or like, really before like this, you know, we really got to know her. So I do agree with Lisa Rina and I am scared of. myself for admitting that. I think Kyle is more well-known now. So I think that there's truth to that. I also don't think Rina is lying. Is this a hot take? Like, I don't understand why this is such like so confusing. I don't think it's a hot take. But I think in all of the months leading up to us

finally seeing these couple of episodes, we've heard so much about what happened in Aspen. And I think we knew that there was going to be some part of it that wasn't captioned. on camera or that happened after they were filming or, you know, there was this knowledge that it was going to be sort of not all on the show. But I think the way that it ended up going down where it worked out that Rina was the only person to witness the sprinter van behavior. And then she was alone at the house with Kathy. She's the one saying that she was locked in her room while Kathy's like throwing shit and like pounding on the walls. It's not. necessarily that I don't think it could happen or that I don't think it maybe did happen. But I think

it's just like knowing that in that moment, Lisa could say anything she wants and there's not going to be anybody that's like able to counter that because you also, nobody's going to believe Kathy when she's like, well, I did, I, you know, I, I, I, what I told her in Aspen, the way that Kathy's like, well, when I told her what I told her in Aspen, it's like, she's not saying that you told her anything. She's saying that you were like screaming. Losing your fucking mind. Right. So I think it's the way that there are 10 women in this group, but this whole Kathy thing is coming down to a she said, she said, it makes it hard, especially when Rina is in a position right now where people are just like in the mood to not believe her. So I definitely

believe that some version of Rina's events happened. I mean, maybe she's exaggerating a little bit. We know that she loves to do that, but I also don't think she's like making up the fact that Kathy was talking shit about all of them. Yeah, I think, you know, there is a version of the truth somewhere in what Rinnett is saying. And also, with Beverly Hills, every season almost, there's all. something that happens off camera that people talk about.

This is part of the, like, the fabric of this show. Like, it's just part of Beverly Hills. It's frustrating and annoying, but it's always been like that since season one when Camille told Kyle, like, why would anybody want you without Kelsey there? That. So that, I mean, it's frustrating. And people are wondering why Rina didn't, like, get out her camera and get a GoPro going. And also, like, I would love to see this footage.

as well. Like, I'm curious as to why there's nothing. But, um, you know, it is what it is. I don't, I don't know what people expect. It makes me think of that, that like audio recording of Jen Shaw screaming at her assistant or whatever that somebody like recorded on the kitchen counter. It's like we, well, like Heather DeBrow did in Ireland. Like, she had got her phone out. She was recording in the hallway. She, she was like really doing. Yeah. it's like to for that for Lisa Rina to not have done that the only two options I feel are either like she's making it up or it really was that intense that her instinct in that moment was like fuck I need to lock myself in my bedroom and the way she's reacting at Crystal's birthday party

kind of is like it seems like it was really intense because I don't think Rina would like do this whole shirt. Like, it's one thing for her to make up a story in the first place, but then to do this whole charade of like, oh my God, I can't be in the same room. And it's, it's traumatizing me. And I, she says she has PTSD from Aspen. Like, I think Rina, I think Rina's dramatic, but I don't think she would like storm out of Crystal's birthday party. A hundred percent. And Rina usually likes to confront people, like, head on. Like, she really doesn't have a problem doing that. So I believe her, like, I can see Kathy losing her fucking mind.

Like, knowing how angry I've seen Kyle get, like, the spirit of Big Kathy was alive and well in that sprint her van. Okay. That, it's the trick. Like, I just think, like, there's that rage inside of that. I mean, Kyle tried to, like, choke her own sister in the back of a limo. Like, they get wild, these Richards girls. So I think something happened.

And also, I mean, maybe I was just reading into it a little too much. I don't know. But Kathy was being weirdly, really nice to everybody at the party. Like, she was, like, complimenting the lipstick and she was, like, talking about the blouse. And I'm like, what the fuck are you? It just was not the Kathy we've seen. It was giving a little bit, like, I'm not saying that Kathy, like, did pop a pill before this party because I wouldn't ever say that about. anybody without that concrete knowledge.

But like, it's giving a little bit of the vibe of somebody who might have popped a pill before a party. Just, you know, to kind of even things out and make things a little smoother. And I don't necessarily blame somebody that might have popped a pill in a situation like that. but it is you're right it's coming in very like i'm coming in with this little smile pasted on my face and because i probably know that people are talking about something that happened but if it's the last thing i do i'm going to pretend like i don't have a clue what's going on and i know that most of these bitches aren't going to say anything about it to me because

i'm kathy hilton and even if i had one bad night in aspen most of these women are still going to be scared of me. And it is like, this is the moment where I actually wasn't sure, given all the drama and like the talking about what happened in Aspen, I wasn't sure we were going to see her on the show again this season. So the fact that she shows up to this party, you know, acting like nothing happened. It's like, oh, I kind of was my, like, if you had asked me three months ago, I was like, oh, probably whatever happens in Aspen, that's the last time we're going to see Kathy on the show. So I was a little surprised she even was there.

I was shocked that she came because they also gave you no inclination in previews that she was coming to this party. Like they made you kind of think, oh, we'll never see Kathy Hilton again. Like, this is really wild until that sit down with Kyle, obviously, between her and Rina. And I also think when people, Kathy might just come from the place of like, yeah, I got really mad. But it's not that big of a deal. Everyone gets mad. Like that, I mean, that's kind of what I'm getting from her. Like, her energy is just like, I don't get the big deal. Like, yeah, I might have

like thrown shit or something. But she's like, whatever. Like, that's not a problem. And I think when you're somebody who, who lives in that sort of sphere where things don't really affect you, you know, you're rich enough, privileged enough, have enough resources that if you have one, tantrum, probably everybody around you is going to kind of just make it easy for you and then not, you're not going to have to kind of deal with any of the consequences for her. It's like, not only is it like that happens to everybody, but it's also like, what did I do that was so bad? Like, yeah, I got upset, but you know, you're not going to cancel me for that. And I think with Rina, it's a little bit like she, Rina is forcing Kathy.

to kind of do the reality TV version of this where it's like, no, now we're going to talk about this is going to be the storyline. Whereas for Kathy, it's like, no, it was a bad moment and we don't need to speak about it. But Renna's like, no, the whole reason we're here is to speak about it. And when, you know, Kathy in that confessional saying, um, I don't think she's upset because of what I shared with her in Aspen. It's like, that's the Kathy like doing her kind of like, level setting of like, well, I shared something with her in Aspen. It's like, it's like, no, you've lost your fucking mind in Aspen. All of us, you know, all of us vents. Right. She was like venting to Rina. Venting. I was locked in the bedroom. Yeah. It's like, it's really crazy. Um,

I can't wait to like watch the sit down with the three of them because I mean, it looks like Kathy kind of cops to saying things. Like she kind of admits it. That's what I got from the preview. But the Erica of it all, I was loving. Erica and Dorit's scene at the chocolate shop is camp, camp perfection. They're like, they're like,

the thing about chocolate is that it's a luxury. It's like therapy. Did you know it's like therapy? It's such a luxury. It's like. I know. I'm like, are you guys? Okay. They were with their little hats, their little aprons, their gloves. I loved it. It was just like a fun, weird, random funny scene. And I hate to say this, but like I get sometimes where Erica is coming from. I totally get where Erica. Yeah. I 100% understand. She's like, why does everyone, like everyone comes at me about everything. Like, why can't I talk about this? Like, why can't I talk about this?

or like, why can't we bring up Kathy acting up? I also think ourself fucked up and should have told Erica about the real. Yes, I think because the way that Erica handled that was honestly better than I expected because because I assumed that that was going to be like a huge like unfixable rift or something. But the fact that Erica was basically just like,

that felt shitty. Why didn't you give me a heads up? And Garcel was like, yeah, okay, I should have give you a heads up. I'm sorry. And Erica's like, thank you. I was like, wait, wait, wait, did we just, do we just successfully? Did we come to like a healthy resolution? It was so strange. I was not expecting that. Yeah, it was not expecting that either. I thought that Erica was going to be like a total bitch, ice her out, like, you know, yell at her, like, say crazy stuff. And, And she didn't. And Garcel was just like, yeah, I should told you. And then that was it.

With what you're saying about, Erica, I agree that a lot of the times I think the women have been like harsher to her than they would be, for example, to Kathy for something similar. I think in Aspen that first night, she really kind of let it spiral to a place that was really unflattering and obviously made the women more uncomfortable than they've been. But I do think they're. is a double standard with Kathy that it's like clearly something went down even if they weren't all there to see the full extent of it. Like they're not even talking about what happened at the

club. And it's like you were all there for that. Like getting yelled out for not doing the conga line. Like I don't know. I would be, I feel like that, you know, the fact that nobody is even like, hey, Kathy, you're going to apologize for when you screamed at me in a members only club in Aspen, like, no, we're just not going to speak about it. Because clearly Sutton witnessed some of it because she was kind of explaining the conga line situation, like what had happened. Like, people were aware. I also think it was really weird that Kyle didn't go home with Kathy.

I'm an only child, so I can't really speak on sisterly dynamics. But if I had a sister and she was visibly upset, crying, freaking out, losing her mind. a club, I would be like, okay, I'll come home with you. Yeah, I feel like it would be one thing if it was just like, hey, I'm tired. Can you come home with me? And you're like, no, I'm still having fun. I'm going to stay out. But clearly there was already some some heightened emotions. And it's like, are you having that much fun at the caribou club that at the caribou club, Kyle? Get a fucking grip. So good. So good. So good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now. And up to

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Sometimes the ones. That seemed sometimes those that seem like they're doing the best have the most to hide. I was like I was seriously living for Erica this episode. Like first of all, I thought she was going to bring up Army Hammer. And I think like she was kind of like winking at it a little bit, like kind of like, you know, like teasing us. But she was also, I believe, to be drunk in that confessional. And I was like, this is the Erica I love. Like she is such a good villain and she's really leaning into being a good villain.

And I loved it. I loved it so much. I think the thing with Erica is that people always are like the last couple seasons, they're like, oh, people hate Erica so much. But this show would, they would have nothing going on without her. And it's like, yeah, I've never said that, or I mean, I don't think I've ever said. I talk a lot. So don't roll footage.

But my, Erica is not somebody who I think needs to be. fired. I think she, do I think she's kind of a bad person? Yeah, a lot of the time I do. Do I think she's wrong? A lot of the time? Yes, I do. But she is not somebody who I'm like, get this girl off the screen. Like, she is always giving us something. And the last two seasons more than ever, do you know how many fucking screenshots I have of Erica Jane in my camera roll? I don't want her off the show. Like, she's, she's giving. She's giving us rotten eggs a lot of the time. But, like, Like she's someone that I don't love. Like I don't,

I've never like felt connected to her in a way, but I don't need that from a housewife. I also don't need my housewives to be like really good people. And I kind of, I'm really enjoying her being the villain and playing it up for in confessions and like being a little crazy. And then what I really loved is the sit down with her and Diana, where Diana clucked,

balked at her. And Erica was like, what? And then realized she was like, I'm not going to get anywhere with this bitch. So then she basically had the exact same scene with Derreet, who pretended to not know what was going on. I was like, Erica's a professional. I'm sorry.

She's like, if I can't get it with Diana, I'll bring Derreed in here. I'll talk to her. And she had that beautiful crown on. Like the sun, a sun goddess. She did look good. I also loved, she had it. Erica was really making the round.

at this Roaring 20s party because she also had a nice little convo with Sutton, and I've been liking seeing the lighter side of them to the last few episodes. They're talking, Sutton's asking her about her house in Pasadena, and I liked that they were able, Sutton was able to talk to her about kind of her old life without seeming like she was kind of gleeful in her demise, that they were talking about this old house and if she misses it, and Erica kind of saying that,

it's her old life, it was never really hers. The flashback that they showed to Erica giving Lisa Rina a tour of this house, her voice was like a full octave higher. She's like, here's the library, and here's the chapel. Yeah. And here's the pool. And I'm like, oh my God, she literally talks so differently now. It is wild.

She has a really deep, pusky voice now, kind of like you this morning. And yeah, that throwback when she was like showing her at the chapel, it just, there's a part of me like that feels really sorry for her at times because it's like I can't imagine being married to someone for 20 years and that life you feel like it was never yours. All of the shit is going on. He's not really being able to be held accountable because he's like got dementia. And now she's kind of being raked through the coals because it's like. And I mean, one of her lawsuits just got dismissed again, like very recently. So I don't know. Like that's like kind of made me feel sad for her, you know?

Like I can't imagine living in a house for 20 years and being like, oh, it was never mine. I do wonder. Not that I think she's being unfairly dragged into this legal stuff because I think there definitely are valid questions. And a lot of her, the money that she was spending was potentially ill gotten gains. but I do wonder if Tom was more with it and kind of able to be the face of these cases, if she would be getting less attention because I think there's a part of it where I'm sure

she would be involved regardless. But when the main guy who kind of did all the bad stuff is, you know, wasting away in a dementia care facility, that's not really somebody that you can put on trial, so speak. I know nobody's actually on, on trial right now, but it does feel like Erica's kind of the one who is easy to kind of prop up as the face of it. And I think that, I understand why she's frustrated with that because she's like, even if I have to give back some of my money or am in, like, named in a lawsuit or people think I might have known something, I'm not like the one who did it. And so, I don't know. I mean, I don't want to be like, Erica was wrong.

wrongfully accused. But I do think it's complicated. And that she, her role in it is probably getting more attention because Tom can't really be. Yeah. And she's on a reality show. She's famous. But it's,

I think it's complicated. And I also think it's not as simple. I can't believe I'm even defending Erica in the slightest. Because like last year I was truly like the villagers in truck like getting my pitchfork. I feel like it's really complicated and the women just simply thinking Erica can just give the earrings back. I'm like, I don't think she can just do that. I feel like her lawyers are probably advising her, like, do not admit anything.

If you show empathy, that could be thought of as guilt in some way. like maybe she just is being advised to do this. I don't know. But I understood why she didn't give the earrings back. And when they told her to give them back, she did. She was like, I'll hand them over if that's what happens. Right. And it's also interesting because she did give the earrings back, but they're currently,

I think, being held by some trustee. Like they're basically sitting in a vault while it's like waiting to be decided what happens. So I'm a. assuming I'm not any great expert in how this happens, but if the earrings are still being held by in a trust, those haven't been like sold for money to go to the victims. It's not like Erica, like, Erica's not going to like go to a pawn shop and get cash for the earrings and then like mail it to the victims. Like it's a, it clearly is more of like a process by which this is done. And so I, I definitely, I feel like I agree with the sentiment of.

of like, just give the earrings back, but I understand in a real world setting why that's probably just like not how you do it. And I think some of the other women are like being a little bit like deliberately naive about how this works. Yeah. Just give it back. Listen, I love Garcel, but I also can acknowledge that Garcel plays it up a little bit. I think like she is just as active in the drama as like Rina is, but just goes about it very differently. I think she stirs it up in like a more strategic, smarter way where it comes across like more natural and not like trying to make good television. I want to know your thoughts on because I have suspicions that production is doing a lot

of stuff to protect Kathy Hilton. I just feel that way because like how come we're not hearing about it? about the slur that was allegedly said, like, that seems weird that that's not being brought up. Because that was the rumors for the last, like, year. The text messages that were being shown on TV, people were saying Rina edited them. But I'm like, I don't think so. I feel like production edited them to cut things out. Am I a conspiracy theorist?

I sound crazy. I mean, it's hard to know because I think there clearly is a certain amount of stuff that was not captured. on camera. So it's like anytime that's happening, it creates an opportunity for them to, you know, paint the story however they want to paint it.

And when they're having it, when most of it is being told through confessional's after the fact and, you know, the women rehashing stuff that happened and talking about it, they can choose to use whatever bits and pieces of that they want to. And obviously they are, you know, they're showing Rina talking about it. It's not like

they're completely omitting the fact that something happened with Kathy. But I think the fact that we're, the fact that there's no way to know the full sequence of events makes it impossible to know really what they're, what percentage of it they're giving us. And so it's hard because I know you and I as people who have watched these shows forever and talked about them and thought about them so much, your brain is always going to be like, I feel like there's something more that we're not being shown. Always. And so I think it could go either way.

I mean, it could be that the real sequence of events was kind of boring and Rina's making it sound more dramatic than it was. Or it could be the kind of thing where something like deeply dark or problematic happened. And Bravo has just decided for whatever reason that they're not. quite going to go there. And it's like, it's annoying to know that we're not going to know. But at the same time, at the same time, I can't pretend like this wasn't a compelling hour of television. So maybe I should just like sit there and eat my food and not complain. Yeah. I mean, Beverly Hills has really been delivering, in my opinion. Do I think the season needs to be 24

episodes long? No, I feel like we could have cut some stuff out. Like, and also, God, can we just talk about Crystal's sad little party? That was just a cast gathering. That was so sad. Like, the floor, every single light was on. Every single light. It was like not set to a mood. I just felt so sad.

And another thing that really I'm just sick of is Kyle's fucking dogs. They need to be put in a kennel. Smokey, stop eating the sweater. Don't get me wrong. They are the most beautiful, cutest dogs. I love them. But they're so fucking bad. He's eating her sweater.

He's like, he's a terrorist. You know, wait, knowing that I was going to have you on this episode, you know what the eating the sweater moment made me think of? What? The sweater that you wore to BravoCon in 2019. Oh, my God. I'm like, smoky. You should have ate that one. No, seriously.

That sweater. What the fuck was I thinking? Like, so embarrassing. I meant Dolores Katania in that fucking sweater. Do you know how dumb I felt? Standing next to that goddess in that Sherbert monstrosity? It was like an umbrella orange to pink. It was yellow orange pink umbrella, like knitted, large sweater.

Sick. You know. Dylan, and I don't even like wear a couple of things. like that. That's the thing. Like, I don't know what came over me. You were, you were like, I'm going to New York. It's fall. Did I think that? I'm going to wear my best, my best knit. Yeah. I was like, you know what I thought? It's cold. And this is a new sweater I bought. That's all I was thinking about. Like, it's so embarrassing. Right. And I blame Steve Faces by Bravo for not telling me, because we were sharing your room and he let me walk out in that. I'm like, you're a fake friend.

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Like you, with no masks. I didn't see a mask in sight. Right. I mean, I guess maybe it was like Omicron times sort of. No, that was code for like this is just a cast party. Right. Like to me, it's just funny because I feel like that's the first time this entire season, other than when the ladies literally had COVID.

that they were like, well, it's COVID time, so we can't do a normal party. And it's like, no, I think you can. Yeah. I'm like, I think it's just a Tuesday and everyone is busy and like, this isn't a real party. And then once they went downstairs to the basement, it was like, that was where the whole party was. But people kept like going up the stairs one on one to have their separate discussions. And it's like, this feels very weird. Like, can everybody just stay in the basement?

I know. I know. The million dollar basement. Can we talk about Cherie? Cherie. I hate her. Cherie secretly writing her name on the card in fucking yellow highlighter to add herself on to Garcel's birthday gift to Crystal is one of the more unhinged things I've seen in recent memory. And then she told Garcel about it and you could tell Garcel was kind of like.

Like disgusted with her. You could tell Garcel was like, that is a wild thing to do. But in this moment, it's not worth it for me to be bad. Mm-hmm. Well, and then they walk in and there's, you know, Crystal, Garcel hands the present to Crystal and then walks away and then Shri goes, and for me too. And Garcels just goes, no, it's not. Like under her breath and like keeps moving, like keeps going. Sheree to me, like people keep talking about Diana being a flop. Sheree is like a non-existent. Like she, I don't know why she's still around. I don't know what she brings to the show. I'm so confused. I thought she was going to be

amazing. How wrong is I? Yeah, I think she has like... She's done nothing. She seems like somebody who has like a fun energy. Like she might be a fun person. Does she? Hear me out. She seems like she might be a fun person to like have in a group in a real life context. But in terms of the show, she hasn't had a standout moment, like, there's nothing, like, memorable that she's done or said. There have been moments where I'm like, oh, she, like, cute, whatever. She's having, like, a conversation with Garcel or it's fun or whatever, but, like, she doesn't seem like somebody who is really leaving an impact on the show. I don't, I haven't heard or seen anything about whether or not she was at the reunion,

but I'm sort of guessing no. I'm, yeah, I don't think she was there. I just flashed. I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with Beverly Hills. I just flashed to New Jersey last year when Tracy was there and they literally edited her out of the entire reunion. No, I was talking about that. So I was like, I don't think Shari is there.

Tracy posting her like outfit picture from the reunion and then so we know she was there and then not being on the show for one damn minute is so tragic. I mean, I don't think they would do that to Shari. I feel like they honestly like that's pretty rude. Like I would be really pissed if they did that to me. I would be like, I paid for hair and makeup and an outfit. I was there. Sat there all day in a dressing room to be called on stage for 20 minutes and then they're not

even going to use me. So she probably doesn't even get an episode fee. It's like, no, uh-uh. Don't waste my time like that. Don't waste my time. And she never said anything about it. Like she never acknowledged it. It was like really kind of funny.

I would have been like, uh, I was actually there, as you know, from the photos. But they didn't, they didn't air a second of me. Yeah, maybe if she had made a bigger deal about it on social media, she would have gotten invited to film for this season, but clearly wasn't in the cards. No. But anyway, I'm excited for this Beverly Hills reunion. I do feel like there's a lot happening.

So I'm curious. Apparently Diana is like maybe going to subpoena Mark Zuckerberg or something. Yeah, no. This reunion, I bet, is crazy. Erica said and watch what happens live. that no one hugged after. Like, everyone just went home separately. Like, no one really felt like in a good place afterwards, which makes me really excited.

Because there's also a lot of family dynamics that come out and come to light. That's what Andy was saying. Between Kathy and Kyle, I'm assuming. So I'm really, really looking forward to it. As am I. Sam, this has been so fun. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having.

me. Of course, always a pleasure. And thank you so much everyone for listening. Have a great weekend. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousous McCat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by batches on Instagram and Twitter. Pay off your home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari.

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