Mention It All - A RHONY Low Point (RHONY Finale, Traitors & RHOBH)

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

It’s been a long, bumpy season for RHONY, and Dylan is back to recap one last, cursed episode. On the season finale, things go from bad to worse in Puerto Rico due to Brynn and Ubah’s bleak misunderstanding (if you can call it that), and the franchise’s future is even more uncertain than before. Then, Dylan breaks down this week’s RHOBH, where TextGate just won’t die despite Kyle’s best efforts. Earlier in the show, Dylan talks Traitors and praises Dorinda’s appearance on The Tonight Show. This episode contains a discussion that mentions sexual assault. Listener discretion advised. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. Who's on check me, both? Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast.

It's Wednesday. It's a weird week. It's a cold week. It's a short week, which I guess is nice. But we have a bunch of stuff to talk about today. Some of it fun. Some of it, I would say decidedly less fun. If you watched that Roney season finale,

I, um, we're going to get through this conversation together. It's a little bit of a cluster fuck. One of the most maybe uncomfortable episodes of Housewives that I can remember watching. And it's such a strange way for a season to end that was at many times underwhelming, sometimes boring, sometimes fine, but not that exciting. And then this finale, which I think was sort of teased as something that would be, shocking, maybe in like an exciting, iconic way, but I think really to my taste, and I think to a lot of people I've talked about, shocking in a way that was more on the upsetting side.

So we're going to dig into that a little bit. We also have Beverly Hills to talk about. And because I didn't get a chance to talk about the most recent episode of Traders, I thought that would be a little bit of a lower stakes place to start because, look, Traders is rolling right along. We're four episodes into the season. you know, spoiler alert, if you haven't, you know, that came out on Thursday night. It's, what day is it? It's Wednesday now. Get with the program. Before we talk about the episode, Derinda, you know, sadly, spoiler, first person murdered on the season. She got to go on the show this week with Jimmy Fallon. And look, I don't know, I don't know what like the actual channels

of NBC Universal Corporate Synergy are, where they decide, like, who, for from the Bravo Peacock's Fear gets to go on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. There were some comments that were like, why is Dorinda on the Tonight Show? Dorinda's on the Tonight Show because she's a goddamn national treasure. And knowing that she was sent home so early from Traders, I was really glad that we at least got this like one extra little, you know, bite-sized, you know, bit of Derinda on our screens. Because let's face it, we don't know the next time that she's going to be.

be on a TV show. She hinted to Jimmy, or maybe hinted as a strong word, she teased to Jimmy that she is hoping for a show that will take place at Bluestone Manor. I feel like this is something that has been sort of like in the waters for a few years, but obviously something being like a wink and a nod on the tonight show is not the same as a green light from somebody who can pay for that. but she also she was talking about showing up to do traitors and how you know

she recognized the housewives and a few other reality people but she's like there were a lot of survivors and I never watched survivors and Durinda Durinda making survivors

plural is like something my mom probably has done it's very in line with like Victoria Secrets and like Nordstrom's, Derinda talking about the Survivors alumni and saying that that show is very different

because there's no fashion, there's no buddy-buddy, you know, it's very cutthroat, you can't be friends, you know, it's funny because many would say that Derinda is as cutthroat as a housewife can get, but she was very adamant that she had prepared a lot for this season of the traitors. She said that she read the art of war twice, and she took notes.

She said that she studied Nietzsche and other philosophers and that her daughter, Hannah, who's at Harvard, she had to drop that on The Tonight Show, which like, you know, clap it up for Hannah. She was like, yeah, she wrote out strategies and, you know, plans for me. And when I got to the hotel, I had poster boards taped up in my room with the strategies and just hearing her, like, rattle off all of these things that she was doing to prepare for traders and then knowing that she literally didn't make it 20. hours. What could have been? Truly, like, I imagine we could be watching every week. Derinda dropped some, like, Art of War, gobbledygook, paraphrased quotes at the roundtable. And we didn't get a single one.

It still stings. But this past episode of Traders, I thought was pretty good. This season, I think, compared to the epic high highs of season two, it has big shoes to fill. And I think it's not, it's not filling. the shoes in the exact same shape, but I think it's doing a good job, sort of being something different. And I think that the thing that I have struggled with a little bit this season is, like, are these traders really, like, giving? Are we getting what we need from the traders? I don't know. I don't know, Danielle. Carolyn seems kooky and fun. Boston Rob, I had a crush on

when I was, like, nine years old, but it's been a minute. And Bob the Drag Queen, I love Bob the drag queen is hilarious. I think Bob the drag queen is like, you know, iconic in his own lane. But on the show, I didn't love the energy that Bob was bringing. And I think that as a traitor, there is kind of this nuance that you have to bring where like you obviously want to be creating moments and being, you know, doing your little cackle and being tedious and, you know, Fadra, think of everything that she accomplished last season. But you also have to be, you really careful and tactful to not kind of blow it all up. And so this week, last week, I guess, when after the mission or whatever, Bob the

Drag Queen out in the open was like one of the three guys that came into the game later has to be a traitor. That was just a wild thing to do. And if you know anything about Rob Mariano, which I think it's safe to say Bob the drag queen didn't. Bob the drag queen was was dead from that moment. It was over because there's no way. It would have been so foolish for Rob to be called out like that in public in front of the whole house as one of three people who's likely to be a traitor and to let Bob stay in the house another night would have been, it would have been dumb. And even if it would have been, even if it would have turned out,

okay, that's just not how Boston Rob is wired. And so it was, it was very satisfied. as somebody who grew up watching Survivor to watch Rob really just like whip those votes and run that table and get Bob the drag queen out. And as much as I love Bob the drag queen,

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So I was almost proved wrong. But I do think that now that they got out a trader, I think that maybe Sierra will kind of get the heat off her back because, like, she's not a traitor. So, I don't know. We'll see how this season continues to progress. But I'm very excited to keep watching it and to keep talking about it. And, you know, maybe if you're looking for a book to read this week, apparently Durinda loves Art of War. So something to consider adding to the list in 2025. But with that, we got to get into from old Rony delights to new Roney.

depression. It's tough. And I think that this episode it's interesting to think about in a formal construction sense that they broke a lot of

rules in this episode and that most of the time when that happens the amount of this episode that took place in the house in Puerto Rico after they had quote unquote finished filming for the night. That should have been so exciting, so jaw-dropping, so, you know, unprecedented.

The fact that the season ended, they finished filming at the cast title photo shoot, that's never been done before. That should have been an iconic twist. That should have been, you know, this fourth wall-breaking moment that is going to, you know, live in infamy. But because of the contents of the episode and the way that certain topics were handled, everything just felt like this really like uncomfortable slog. And I had to pause the episode a few times because I was like really trying to wrap my mind around all of the different things that were happening, all of the different dynamics at play. And also trying to be really,

to be really rational about some of the stuff that was unfolding because things were very chaotic in that house in Puerto Rico and the fact that we didn't have real like formal filming footage for most of the episode or at least a good chunk of the episode made it kind of hard to really like get your bearings around exactly what was happening exactly who was saying what and really reading between the lines and the fact that we were getting so many of these little title cards in between saying like, and then Jessel went into this room, and then Uba left the house with Jusel for the night,

and then Brin went back into the girls with. Like that is not, that's not typical. That's not how Housewives storytelling is usually working. So I think this episode, like, in theory, it's exciting to see kind of like a variation on a form. But the core of it, the Bryn and Uba dynamic just is, a little bit impossible to just enjoy because it's not enjoyable. At the beginning of this episode, things in the house were picking up where we left off the night before.

Bryn is extremely upset about the comment that Uba has made, insinuating that she slept with someone to get on the show. I feel like we have to say that Uba never said the word suck dick. Like that wasn't what she said. Things get twisted. Whatever. We'll talk about how things might get twisted. But we're in this heightened emotional state.

is when, you know, in the room with a few of the women, Uba's not there, Bryn drops this bombshell that she had previously told Uba about this sexual assault that she, that she had been through. And, you know, I should give a bit of a trigger warning. I'm not going to get into all of the nitty-gritty specifics of exactly, you know, what they were saying on this show. Frankly, it's not something that we need. If you've watched the episode, you've seen the episode. But this is, unfortunately, what the episode is.

about. So we're going to talk about it a little bit. So if you need to skip ahead, if you want to hear about, you know, Kyle texting P.K., I think that's totally fair. And we'll get there in due time. But so, you know, when Bryn shares this piece of information with the women, they are understandably really shaken up at the idea, at the thought that Uba would know this piece of information about Bryn and then still throw out this insinuation, allegation, what have you, about her, you know, using her sexuality to get on the show. That's an upsetting thing to think about that somebody would potentially use or even, even if it wasn't intentionally using it, sort of disregarding it in that way to then

for your own motives on the show. It's a tough accusation. And I understand why the gut reaction from most of the women was like, Jesus Christ, this is really bad. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame and Free People. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more.

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Work your magic. Everybody decides to go to bed. The whole vibe in the house, I mean, it's really like twilight zone kind of feeling. Well, and also they fully break the fourth wall, and it's like, oh, okay, you're going to take my mic. Okay, let's go to bed. Okay, good night. Like, we'll see you in the morning. Like, that's not usually how we're handling, you know, filming on a trip.

But so the cameras leave and then Jessel. goes into Uba's room and lets her know what Bryn has told them about what she shared with her. And Uba loses it like I have never seen before. She's absolutely screaming through the halls of this house. And it really, watching it, not knowing exactly where it was going to go and not knowing exactly sort of how this was going to be positioned, I was like, I literally feel like I was shaking a little bit while I was watching it because Uba's reaction to that was so visceral and so heightened in a way that when she said that Bryn never told her that and that she never knew and basically is saying that Bryn was trying to

kind of character assassinate her by suggesting that she would do something like that. it was so jarring. And personally, I think that there are certain elements of this situation that we do not know the 100% truth about. And we just have to be real there. I've seen a lot of people on Twitter. People are making a lot of strong declarations and really feeling like they are 100% certain about one thing or another. And I do think that there are gray areas in this situation because, Stuff has happened off camera. Stuff has happened off of the show entirely. But I do not believe that Uba consciously knew that information about Bryn. I don't, the way that she reacted, Uba is somebody who, you know, she's emotional. She wears her heart on her sleeve a lot of the time. And I think it doesn't always serve her well on housewives.

I still don't think after this episode that she's like great at doing housewives. but the way that she reacted in that moment, I'm like, she was so shaken to her core by that accusation that I just, I don't think there's any way that she is, is like performing that. And so I thought it was a good decision by production to have her and Jessel move to a hotel for the night. We can nitpick about whether, you know, should Britain have left the house, should more of the women have gone with Upa, you know, yada yada. But again, it's one of those things where, like, I don't know all the production considerations. I don't know. Uba at that point was the one who was so heated and emotionally heightened. And so I think it made sense to take her out of that situation because she probably didn't want to be in the house.

And I'm glad that she had somebody with her. I think Jessel is really trying in this scenario to be as neutral as she can be, but also not disregarding. It's an impossible situation. But then after Who Believes, Brin is talking to the rest of the women that are still at the house. And that's when she says the thing about, you know, when Uba and I were having this conversation where I said that I told her, maybe she didn't clock it. And, I mean, that's really the part that changes everything because people like Raquel, people like Erin, people like Sy are really now don't know what to believe or really don't believe Brin's version of events. Now, I think that there is a possible version of events in which this conversation between Bryn and Uba sounds like it was kind of chaotic and emotional. And I think that it is possible that Brin felt like she was bringing something up or alluding to something or hinting at something.

And that in the heat of the moment, Uba might not have picked up what she was putting down. or honestly, Bryn, not the best communicator. Brin maybe wasn't putting down what she thought she was. You know, like, I think that there are, we will never know that conversation in its entirety. And I'm curious to see at the reunion sort of what, if any kind of like receipts or evidence or explanations we get. Suffice to say, though, that Brin handled this really poorly. Because at the very least, I believe that UBA is technically. telling the truth that she didn't really know that. Whether Bryn thought she told her,

that's kind of a separate question. But I believe Uba in that sense. And the way that Bryn kind of handles everything from here on out just doesn't work. Because they go to bed, Bryn wakes up the next morning, she's acting like nothing happened. She has this tendency to kind of emotionally shut down in this way and sort of brush things under the rug. and not kind of have those necessary but tough conversations. And that's not how you build trust. That's not how you build relationships. That's not how you really get to the bottom of issues and problems.

And so she leaves on the next flight. And I mean, this leaves the rest of the women to kind of draw their own conclusions. And I will say, as much as I think Bryn bungled this whole scenario, I also don't really like the way that sigh and Aaron then used this situation to kind of try and retroactively prove themselves right about a million little things that Bryn has said or done over the last two seasons. First of all, I don't think we know that Bryn was like factually lying in this situation. It's very murky to me. But we also, even if she was, I don't think that you can automatically then just say,

see everything that she said ever is now a lie. I think that Aaron and Sai probably have been in a lot of situations with Bryn where Brin was like maybe getting at something that they didn't want to get at and like it's it's complicated. I've said many times I think deep down everybody's a liar. Everybody lies. Big or small. It doesn't matter. It's true. And so I think I'm sure Brin has told some lies.

I'm sure that Aaron has told some lies. I'm sure that Sai has told some lies. We've all done it. They've all done it. It's okay. But then we leave Puerto Rico. We transitioned to this cast photo shoot, which was really interesting to kind of get that behind the scenes look at. Again, the vibe, not great.

Everybody's really on edge. Obviously, it's the first time that Uba and Bryn are going to be in the same place. But also, I think it's like a week after they got back from Puerto Rico. So it's probably the first time most of them have been in the same place. Aaron's like I texted Bryn and asked if she was okay. and she just said no. But again, this becomes another situation where Brin's way of handling something

just doesn't do her any favors. Because they make it look on the show, at least like she's late to the photo shoot. She certainly is the last one to show up. She's getting her makeup done. They're doing this group shot. And they're standing there doing this photo shoot. It's the main title photo shoot

for Real House Stories of New York. This is a time where you're going to stand there and you're going to smile or smize or pass. or whatever the facial expression is, you're going to stand there and you're going to do it. You're going to hold your apple for two minutes and then it's done. You're at work. It's a job.

You got to get the shot. And they're standing there in this line. Everybody's just taking the photo. And Bryn is doing this whole monologue in her confessional about, see, I can tell that nobody here cares about me. And nobody cares what I'm going through. And I just feel so alone. And I feel so horrible.

and these women don't give a fuck. And it's like, babe, you're at work. If I'm at the office and somebody that sits four desks down from me is having a bad day, if they open up to me about that, of course I'm going to listen and hope that their day gets better. But if I'm answering an email while they're having a bad day, it's not because I hate their guts. It's because I still have to do my job. And everybody holding the apple and taking a photo and not, sorry, the main title of this season of Roney isn't going to be like the women crowding around Brin to make sure she's okay. That's not the assignment. Obviously, there are other times and places where if these women care deeply about Brin, they're going to show that. But it's not at the photo shoot that you showed up maybe potentially late to. And everybody just wants to get out of there and take off their spanks and their heels and go home. So I think that Brin handled a lot of stuff poorly in this episode.

At the same time, I believe that she went through something really traumatic and terrible. And I hope that she is healing from that and is getting the help that she needs. But in the sense of how things were handled within the group, it just was like not it, not good. And watching this finale, I mean, I won't pretend that it wasn't one of the more. compelling episodes of this season, but it wasn't fun. It wasn't, I don't even, I wouldn't say it's like an iconic episode because I don't ever want to watch it again. When I think back to some of the most iconic episodes, even if they were about big time, intense drama, I want to watch Countess Luanne going to prison 50 times on repeat. I have watched Scary Island over and over again.

Kim and Kyle Richards fighting in the limo is must-see TV. This, I think, felt like a really, like, shitty payoff to a season that was weird and not that great. And I don't know if I'm hopeful for the reunion. I'm, I am anticipating the reunion because I think there are questions that need to be answered, quite frankly. I would have to say, moving forward on this show, I think we're at the point where I think probably the cleanest way to do it is going to be to get of both Brin and Uba. Brin, for obvious reasons, it just isn't working.

Uba, I've said this before, I still stand by it. I just don't think she's that great at sort of the Housewives game. Nothing against her personally. I think that Jenna Lyons is probably, I think it's probably her time. You know, she showed up in a bathrobe to the reunion, iconic, I guess.

I think there are some good bones. I think Cy overall had a pretty solid season. I think Aaron still is good being a housewife. I think that Raquel is really interesting. I still don't know how well she works on this show, but I like having her around. I think that Jessel is an easy person to keep. She's entertaining. She can kind of talk about anything. She can hang with anyone. But they're going to have a lot of work to do. And they're going to have some decisions to make. And we'll see how things shake out after the reunion. But if you watch that episode and it was really difficult for you

or upsetting for you. I look, I get it and I, we're all working through it. Yeah, so we'll see how things shake out after the reunion. Now let's shift over to Beverly Hills. If you, if you skipped ahead, if you weren't in the mood for Roney Convo, I totally get that. And let's let's go back to talking about Texas because that's frankly a lot more fun, even if it does feel like there's kind of only one thing happening on Beverly Hills right now. And that thing is Kyle making every wrong decision possible.

in how to handle things. This episode was kind of funny to me because a lot of it revolved around this spa day at Bowes' house that, to my estimation, was essentially completely planned and orchestrated as a forum to get Kyle and Dorit back in the same place and to air this text business out publicly. Because we saw at the end of last episode, at the Chuck Echee Cheese Pizza Party. Again, what is life? What are we talking about?

You know, Kyle shares this text with Sutton and Garcel and Erica. Garcell carries the bone back to Bose. Bose is like, this is a juicy bone. I'm going to tell my girl to read. And then, you know, we got to have it out in public. We can't just be playing the game of telephone. So we're better to have it out in public than in Bose's serene, picturesque backyard garden with cocktails and massages and,

And, you know, I would like to be there in a robe. Bose, invite me over, please. But this is like, it's so well done because obviously, you know, everybody has their little issues and things they're working out. And, you know, Jennifer Tilly doesn't think that it was just mems that P.K. was sending to Kyle and got Jennifer Tilly saying mems. That's why she's on the show. Perfect friend of energy.

No notes. Thank you so much for whoever made that happen. But so this sisterhoodsouire at Boas's house, Derreet's coming in hot. She says, I don't know how Kyle is feeling today. But truth be told, I don't give a shit. Doreen, it looks so funny. She just is like, she is like hidden home run after home run this season. I feel like she's really standing her ground in a way that I respect.

And I think this could have been a much more contentious. feud to watch, but the way that Kyle is handling it, it really feels like everything's coming up to read. So we're at this, we're at this sisterhood soiree, and Bose is the one that brings up the text to PK, or the text to PK that Kyle shared in the previous episode. Because she's like, hey Kyle, so I heard about this text. And Kyle is pissed off. She's like, Bose doesn't know me well enough to be like calling me out in public like this. And it's like, Kyle, you've been on the show for 15 years. this is how it works. This already was filmed.

You already know that it got brought up. You were the one who brought it up. You read it, you know, willingly on camera at Chuck Echee Cheese in the Valley. What did you think was going to have? You thought nobody else was going to bring up this text? You thought it wasn't going to get back to Doreet? But no, Kyle, Kyle still doesn't think there's anything wrong with this text because she, she's like, okay, I'm going to read the text because this is stupid.

We're too old for this. But I'm just going to read it because all of you guys are like, believe me so bad. And she reads the text through tears. And the same line that was shocking last week is is still perking up all the years this week that I've never shared anything you've told me and I never would. And the fact that Kyle just like fully just like over the head of why this would be alarming to anyone, to everyone. And she claims that that part of the text about how she would never tell anyone things that P.Ks shared with her, was specifically about sharing things with production, with the show, with Bravo, with the cameras.

And, you know, there's kind of this fourth wall moment where she's like, well, I can't say it. She's like, but, but this, all of this. And then it's like, okay, great, now we can talk on the level. We can stop beating around the bush. And it's, I haven't been on a TV show and not a show like this. And so I don't know exactly how these women go about sort of talking about these things. things, whatever. But what's telling to me is that pretty much every single woman in the group is like, well, if it was a private text to PK and you were talking about production, you would just say that.

You would say, I won't talk about this on camera, or I won't share these texts with production, or I won't share anything you've told me with production. That's just like how people talk when they're not worried about not breaking the fourth wall because something by, definition isn't being shared with production. So again, Kyle is trying to like explain this in a way that still doesn't make sense. And she storms out kind of. Doreet finally gets a chance to talk to her. And Kyle is like, well, obviously, if you told me to stop talking to PK, I would. And this is exactly where we were two episodes ago when she's like, well, if you guys weren't cool. And Doret's like, babe, we're not.

And Doreet is like, if you, if Kyle was a girl's girl, I wouldn't have to tell her or ask her to stop talking to P.K. Because she just wouldn't want to talk to my estranged husband. And the conversation that Kyle and Doreet have is really wild to me because Doreet is bringing up something that she's brought up already on this season about how one of the biggest issues in her marriage with P.K. is the way that he speaks to her. And that P.K. can be a fun guy, the life of the party. He can be so easygoing and jovial, but that he has this kind of nasty streak of the way that he can speak to her and that speak to her specifically, his wife, and that she can't let that happen anymore.

And the way that Kyle is basically like, well, that's hard for me to. picture him speaking like that because I've never seen that. So I don't know. Are you fucking kidding me? This is somebody who is maybe not your best friend because, you know, different definitions of whatever, somebody that you have been close with for years, basically opening up to you about the fact that her husband is maybe verbally abusive or, you know, at least not not treating her super well in certain contexts, and you're basically hitting her with the classic, like, well, never did it to me.

It didn't happen to me. I had a good experience. So, you know, it sucks if it happened to you, but I don't know. I don't know anything about that. What the fuck kind of like, Me Too, Apologist crap, is that? I don't know, you know, we don't have exact details of everything that happened with

P.K. and Doreet. But, like, at the very least, like, give the girl the benefit of the doubt that, like, she's not lying to you about her husband yelling at her. Like, what are you doing? But she's a girl's girl. It's okay. I don't know. Just, it's just really like strange, strange choices. And I think, I feel like I said this exact same thing last week, but it's like, what does Kyle think she's doing? How does she think this is going to come across? How does she think it's going to shake out? I don't know. But at the end, Kyle's like, well, Terry got what she wanted. Everybody's talking. about me being a shitty friend instead of what she did to me, her being a shitty friend to me.

What do you want at this point? Like, I barely even remember what Kyle claims that Dorete did to her. And so the fact that she really is still in her head spinning this whole thing into just like a retaliation tactic by Doree. It's like, you've sent this weird, like weird text to her husband. It is what it is. We've seen it. We've heard it. You've literally shared it with the group.

I don't know. Garcel and Sutton agree. Garcel says she's getting a lady Doth protest too much vibe from Kyle. And Sutton is like, well, I'm not going to bow down at the altar of Kyle Richards. I'm not, like, I don't know if she ever has. The only person who really is, kind of, is Erica. And, you know, Erica, I understand that she is in a weird position with Kyle and Doreet. And she's kind of trying to ride the fence a little bit and still give Kyle the benefit of the doubt that she's like, yeah, the text wasn't great.

but also we don't have proof. And my husband, the, you know, utmost upstanding man that was Tom Girardi, is Tom Girardi. He's still with us. He taught me to always have proof. It's like, babe, why are we still going off of the life lessons of Tom Girardi, orphans and widows court case? You almost had to give the earrings back Tom Girardi. Let's throw that playbook out the window. It clearly didn't suit you that well because now you're in this tiny house you hate.

You know, tiny to her. It seems nice enough to me, but whatever, we're getting turquoise paint. I think that Doreet is having such a good season that it's hard because anybody who isn't fully like team Doreet, and I think Sutton knows this and is trying to work back to that side, being like a Kyle Apologist is starting to seem like a bad place to be on Beverly Hills. And I don't love, I don't think it's a great place for a franchise to be in where like everybody kind of has to glom. to one side or else we hate them. But I just think that in this specific scenario, I think that Kyle is making such clear, confusing choices

that it's like, this is the easiest time to just be like, girl, that text was fucked up next. And I do hope that in the coming weeks, we kind of can like really move on to something else. But I'm still in it. I'm still, we're still plugging along. We've got Roney reunion next week to me, look forward to, I guess, and more of Beverly Hills and more of everything else. And to make sure

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