Mention It All - A Strongly Worded Letter To Producer Pippen Ft. Nicole Martin

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

On the eve of the RHOM reunion taping, Dr. Nicole Martin stops by the studio to spill the tea on a wild season. She gets into why she thinks the OGs are closing ranks this year, and what’s behind Larsa’s rumor campaign and her refusal to share her real life on camera. She also discusses the whirlwind of filming during Lisa and Lenny’s fallout, and how she handles negativity onscreen and IRL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am so excited to be joined by a returning guest to the podcast, but for the first time in the studio, she is a breakout star of the Real Housewives of Miami on Peacock. Please welcome Dr. Nicole Martin. Thank you. Thank you. This is beautiful, by the way. This setup is fabulous. Thank you for having me. I'm glad you like it. I'm glad you are fresh off an airplane. Fresh off an airplane. And the first thing I did was ask for a call.

We're drinking. It's the end of the day. I'm channeling my inner marisol. When we scheduled this, I was talking to Kiki, who works with you. And she was like, oh, well, like, we're flying in. So as long as the flight doesn't get delayed, like, we should be okay. And I'm like, we landed. It was perfect. We landed. It came straight here with four minutes to spare. You know what? It's perfect. You are in town for a little reunion taping maybe. A little reunion taping happening tomorrow.

How are we feeling second season? Do you feel less stressed about reunion this year than you did last year? Yes and no. So at least I know what to expect, right? So in that sense, you feel more prepared. You know what the day is going to look like. But this year's been tough, you know? Some of the girls have thrown out some wild accusations.

And it's just like there's no bottom to the barrel. with some of these people, right? And so you're just like, what's next? Like, what, what are they going to say next? I was a stripper in med school. Like, where are we, you know, like, I just, I don't know what they're capable of. So that, to me, like, I'm just like, great. Okay.

You know, what's tomorrow going to bring? You've, like, you've watched all your episodes. I imagine you've, like, taken some little notes, maybe. Or like, you're like, I was in college. I have, like, a wide, ruled notebook with, like, handwritten notes per episode. Well, I feel like some people go to the reunion. and it seems like they've barely watched to the show. And come on.

No. I mean, because there's always these things that they say in the confessionals that you're like, are you shitting me? Right. That was not what, you know, like, you're surprised by certain things. That's half the stories. Because obviously you're there during filming, but you don't hear everybody's conversations with each other that you're not right there

for. You don't know what they're saying in the confessional. You don't know what's going to make the edit and what's not. Like, correct. There's a lot to take in. There is a lot of taking with the confessional. So, you know, some things are a little surprising. So there's definitely some note taking so that I can remember to be like,

you said whatever on episode two. You're like, the timestamp was 23 minutes. I didn't timestamp them, but I definitely have my episodes jotted down. Well, and your season was pretty long this year. It's like 16 episodes. 16 episodes. It's a lot of material. And I think that we had lost files.

I mean, straight up events that didn't even make the cut. That's when you know, because there's some, you know, you can tell there's certain seasons where it's like, okay, we're using everything we had and it's still maybe not, we wish we had more. And then there's some Housewives seasons like yours this time or like, it's like, oh, we're flashing back to a lunch that was clearly a whole thing that happened. And we're only seeing this like five second clip of it for like one specific line. And it's like, that's when you know if you're dropping whole scenes, it's like. whole scenes that didn't make it. So we had a really, I mean, release on Lenny of it all was like obviously a huge topic during the season. But there was just so many other things is that it would have been impossible to include it all. Yeah. So this is your second season on the show. We've talked in the past about your kind of decision to do it, whatever.

You're coming back this year. The cast stayed exactly the same. How did you feel like your relationships in the group changed from season four to season five, aside from the fact that you just knew people a little better? I think the line in the sand between like the OGs and the newbies became like really defined this season. For some reason it's just like, which I think viewers will figure out as the season develops more. The OGs just have like this blind alliance with each other that like no matter what, you know, like come on. Alexia and Marisol knew that what Larsa did, those accusations were ugly. And they were just like, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Like, what's the big deal? Who cares? And it's just like, they will ride for each other blindly no matter what. And so I think their alliance has gotten like a lot stronger. And the newbies are kind of banning together. Like, no, this is not okay. You guys are not holier than thou. Yeah.

And especially the fact, because last season, it was the first, you know, season back. Nobody had been on this show in so long. But there were four of you in the cast that were brand new and had never done housewives before. And now all of you are back for another season. You know, Kiki is on the show a lot more this season than she was last year. She's great. But like you, Julia, Gertie, all of you can say, I was here last year. I've been around the block now.

I know how this works. I know that people are connecting with my story with, you know, how I'm approaching it. It's not like, oh, you've been doing this for 10 years. And I'm like this nobody that was just plucked out. Like, you're all on the same level kind of. To your point, that's what the OGs don't like, right? Like, they don't like that the newbies are now more comfortable and more confident and that they have a fan base.

It's kind of like, no, you guys are still lesser than. You're not allowed up to our level. And so they really try to treat us, like talk down to us. And it's exhausty. I felt like that really came out between Alexia and Gertie when you guys were on the first trip. On the boat, yeah. But also when you were in the keys and there's the whole thing on the bus and, you know, like just it feels like there's kind of that like friction there that's about more than just

oh yeah like you said something about or you look at me wrong yes no totally it's it's this constant you feel it on every scene you hear it with like little things that they say it's this whole like yeah yeah yeah you don't necessarily matter because you're only one season in we're like the the real cast and it's like no we're all here this is an ensemble show we're all sharing our lives. We're all putting ourselves out there. You don't get to, like, belittle us. So I think it's really been, like, the newbies finally being like, yeah, no, we're not taking this anymore. Yeah. Speaking of putting your life out there last season, I was surprised and I would imagine that you had feelings about the level to which people seem to care about your situation with Anthony. People are like,

what do you mean she doesn't care about getting married? Red flag, red flag. And it's like, obviously you ended up getting engaged. It seems like you're very content to do things on your own timeline. What was it like just kind of seeing that people all of a sudden feel like they have this authority to comment on that? You know, I think when you when you decide or you make the decision to be on reality TV, you you kind of open yourself up to like scrutiny. And people think they have the right to like judge and comment. And what I realize is that it doesn't matter what you do. You're like kind of damned if you don't damned if you do, right? Because when we weren't engaged, people were like, wow, they've been together for so long. They have a kid. Why aren't they

married. Then we get engaged. It's like, why did you get engaged? And why aren't you married? And it's like, there's always a question or a doubt about choices you make. And that's why I've just decided to kind of do things whenever I want, you know, like right now, we're no rush to get married. We're just kind of enjoying this engagement phase. And we're focusing on remodeling and building a new home. And it's kind of just like, you know what? I'll do it when we do it. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't like confining myself to a box. Yeah. I mean, it just feels like, like you said, it's like You've been together for so long. You have a kid together.

There's no sense of like, this man might get away. Like, it's not that kind of question mark over the, like. And that's what I tell people? Like, really, like, what does this piece of paper that everyone's so fixated on guarantee you? Nothing, right? Like, people get married. They get divorced all the time.

Like, we made, I think, in my mind, the ultimate commitment by choosing to have a family and a child together. Like, you're tied to this person forever. There's no divorcing each other. Like, you know, we're always going to have to be together. deal with each other because we have a child together. So to me, like, that was my biggest priority. Everything else is kind of, you know what happens when it happens.

I notice, like, sometimes on your Instagram, you do, like, Q&As and stuff with your followers. And it seems like that is, it's nice to be able to kind of just, like, talk about your life in a way that's not, like, for the show. I like doing the Q&As. You know, I think the fans have been instrumental in the show coming back. And I think it's nice to connect with them on a more person. level, you know, even if it's something as stupid as like, oh, what color nail polish were you wearing on episode two? You know, like, I think that people watch the show for all sorts of reasons.

And so if you can kind of like appeal to the fans on a personal basis, why not do it every now and then? Right. And people obviously are care enough about the show and enough about you guys specifically on the show to notice those things. And like you said, the show, especially in Miami's case, like it's, it exists because there was that fan interest. And I think. can't believe how many girls like gate keep secrets that is like my number one pet peeve when you know someone's had like i don't know worked into their face and you're like oh your skin looks so good what have you done oh nothing new face wash like girls stop lying you know you know you are doing some peels or some lasers or some thing like share the wealth i am all for just you know posting what i'm

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been in the public eye for so many years, I think, and she said it on podcast. before in interviews, that she's always being judged, right? And she's always used to people passing judgment. And I think that that creates, honestly, like some deep-rooted insecurities. It has to be hard when everyone's always, like, talking about you behind your back. But honestly, at the end of the day, like, she's made decisions that she's probably not proud of when she looks back on it. And so when someone says something to her that she doesn't like, she gets triggered. You know, I think she's like a deeply triggered person. And so the moment she feels, like you're coming for her with anything like what Lisa said about her building or you know if

I said something to her that she didn't like she just will whip out whatever she can think of to kind of hurt you and shut you up so that you don't talk about whatever it is she's insecure about do you feel like the specific rumors that she's saying and things like that are those is somebody putting that in her ear is she literally just cooking up a fantasy like I don't it's a hard to know. So I think Marisol and her do a lot of like back scheming of things like story driving. And I say this because, you know, you guys will kind of get wind of like what happens later on in the season. But I do think that there's kind of like a little bit of pot stirring and like creative liberties being taken by the two.

And so, you know, she's now, she calls herself petty. Pippin, but I really do think we should change her name to producer Pippin because she is basically like trying to just create her own narrative all season. Like, you know, we're we're creating our stories by sharing our lives, right? Like, I'm really open about my relationship with Anthony. I'm really open about sharing my relationship with my dad. She's really not giving fans access to her life. Like, let's be honest.

She's got four grown kids. She's got an ex. They're co-parenting. Like, there's a lot of dynamics there that she could touch on. Like, it's not easy having teenage children. You don't see any of that. Instead, you see some date that you know is staged. Come on, you know that that is not Lars's type.

You see some, like, fake ass, like, scenes where she's, like, has some raw chicken that doesn't even have seasoning on it. You know you're not cooking that. Like, that is the most, like, staged. Everything is just so artificial. And so I think since she doesn't want to share her real life, she's got to share something. So it's like, let's cook up this drama. Yeah, it's interesting because what you say about how she's lived in the public eye for so long. She's not somebody who just stays home and we never see her or like, you know,

see her out. I see her like paparazzi picks on TikTok all the time. And it's like it does feel like maybe sort of having, trying to have it both ways where it's like you want to be in the public guy. You're going out in South Beach all the time. You're getting photographed every time you're out. We see, you know, if you're with somebody. But then on the show, it's like, I don't know, maybe you can meet a man. Correct. And that's what I'm saying. Like it's like she wants to be on reality TV, but she doesn't want to share her real life. Instead, she wants to create fake drama with the castmates and have that carry her story. But that's not what it's about.

Like, if we're all putting our real lives out there, girl, you need to step up and share your real life. Like, bring your boyfriend on. Your real boyfriend, the one that you're getting caught taking pictures with. Yeah. You know, like. Yeah. Everybody, I think, that goes on reality TV decides kind of what they want to be in front

of the curtain and what they want to be behind. But I think for a lot of people, the line might be in a different place. Correct. And, you know, I get not everybody feels comfortable sharing everything about their life. And that's okay. As we're entitled to have our brown trees, but you've got to share something. Like, it's got to be a little bit of your real life. Like, it can't just be like fake dates, fake scenes.

Like, there needs to be a little bit of access to your life. Mm-hmm. So going back to, I think you were at Alexia's event when she brought. up this rumor about you for the first time. When she said that on camera the first time we saw it, was that the first time that had ever come your way? Or did you have any kind of like inkling? No.

I mean, I was like, I don't even think my brain could register what she had said fast enough to come up with a response because I was honestly just so caught off guard and it was just so outlandish. And I was like, what? Did I just hear that correctly? And there were so many things I wanted to say at that moment. but I also, you know, I was like, we're here for a charity event. I was like, who saw?

I was like there's press everywhere. You know, Ocean Drive was there. There was magazines there. And I was trying to be respectful of the fact that we were there for, you know, to raise money for Alexia's charity. And I was like, at that moment, I was just like, I can't deal. Like, I just, I can't say what I want to say right now. So I'm just going to try to end this conversation as quickly as possible before I choke you.

Yeah. I think it was telling, though, that the other. kind of similar quote unquote similar situations earlier this season when she said the thing about Lisa renting her house they show everyone in the confessional being like oh yeah I heard that the thing with Julia making out with the guy it turned out to somewhat kind of be true there's nobody that's like I also heard Nicole did this but let's be honest she swore to God that I slept with every doctor in the hospital really like every doctor in the hospital every single one of them.

Like, the bars on the floor. Come on. Like, I'm sorry, but I am not, like, I am not an unattractive woman. Like, I don't need to sleep with every doctor in the hospital. First of all, some of them are married. Some of them are gay. Like, some of them don't want to sleep with me. I don't want to sleep with some of them.

So, like, every doctor, really, girl? Like, and you're going to swear to God on that shit? Like, come on. It was just so ridiculous. So something so ridiculous needed to be handled in a very, very ridiculous manner. I, okay. You, you, you said it.

So this un-invitation that- Was so petty. I get it. So petty. Listen, I normally try to rise above. I'm not a petty person. You've seen me for two seasons now. I'm not one to engage in like ridiculous nonsense behavior.

But her accusation was just so ridiculous and so outlandish that I was, I was sitting there actually with Grace. And I was, we were doing her makeup and I was complaining to her. And I was like, she's just like so ridiculous. Like seriously, like she needs to look in the mirror. And then I was like, hmm. And I, and I, and then it just like. See yourself.

And then, you know, I don't know. I had fun with it. My, honestly, my favorite part of that scene was how when it first arrives, Gertie is so excited. She's like, ooh, invitation. Where are we going? I hope I get one. Like Gertie is, if she's going to do one thing, those facial expressions. I love her.

The way she reacts to things is it's gold every single time. She makes me laugh. She's so funny. So whatever. So yes, I did. Was it ridiculous? I agree. It was ridiculous.

Was it childish and petty? Absolutely. But how else am I supposed to handle such a ridiculous and petty accusation? You know, like I think you just treat fire with fire, you know? So you, I'm assuming you stand by not wanting her at the engagement party. Absolutely. Why would I want someone who is making such like slanders comments about me that could end my career and also have implications on my relationship? Like you're basically saying that I'm sleeping around.

I'm in a committed relationship. So what does that say about like my relationship with Anthony? Like why am I going to have you there at our engagement party? It's supposed to be a celebration of love when you're spreading these rumors. Yeah. Like, yeah, no. So you mentioned before how Alexia and Marisol kind of seemed to be. wanting to sweep it under the rug, you know, whatever, a little bit, you know, apologetic to Larsa.

Do you feel like watching it, it seems like maybe there's a little bit of a generational divide in how you and some of the other people in the cast see things versus Alexia, Marisol, maybe Adriana a little bit, just the stuff with your dad too, that it's like... Totally. Just different. Yeah, totally. You know, I do think that it feels. feels like Marisol and Alexia are in this like generational cultural time warp. You know, like they're still living in like the 1970s. Like it is 20, 23.

You no longer have to just like accept toxic men in your life and ignore red flags, right? Like it's just their their mindset is so old fashioned in the way that they look at relationships. Like, oh, you just have to accept him because he's your father. You have to accept your husband because he's your husband. Like, no, people shouldn't have to tolerate anything that doesn't bring them peace, that doesn't bring them happiness. Like, it doesn't matter if it's your father, your husband, your brother, your best friend. I think it's important for you to have boundaries, but I think that's a very modern take. Whereas traditional Hispanic families, like you've got this patriarch and he's the boss of the household no matter what.

Yeah. It's interesting because the fact that you three, Alexia Marisol and you are all Cuban, it's like you are, how? the same cultural understanding. It's just the fact that you kind of take it in a different direction that is a little bit more updated, maybe. And I think my parents were also more updated. Like, my dad left Cuba when he was five. So he basically grew up here in the States. I know you can't really tell.

But he did, you know. And my mom left Puerto Rico when she was 12. So they went to high school here. I went to college here. They've been here for decades. Yeah. So I do think that their take and views were very different than probably Alexia's parents' views. So what was trickled down to me was very different than what they experienced.

So I do think there's an antiquated mindset there that probably prohibits them from seeing my angle. Yeah. And to me, like with Marisol or something, it's like there's a difference between meeting your dad at a party and like getting a kick out of something he said and being like, oh, he's fun. And like the actual behind the scenes relationship. Of course. You know, like they're passing judgment after spending five, 10 minutes with a man and being like, oh, he's awesome. You know, like, why doesn't she like him? And it's like you have no idea the lifetime of like issues and struggles and like things that we've gone through. So to base your assessment after five minutes with him and then to say that I'm a spoiled brat. She called me a malcriada in Spanish because I don't

accept him to me was just like honestly pretty ignorant like you don't know like one percent of our relationship so like who are you to pass judgment i would imagine a lot of people watching the show though can relate to having difficult relationships with a parent or a parent figure and maybe really appreciate the way that you're kind of open about that on the show i've been shocked and how many people have reached out to me and been talked about similar relationships with dads and moms like It's not always just, you know, I don't want to, dad shame here. Difficult parent relationships and how, you know, they've gone through similar things and how much they appreciate, you know, being so open and sharing my story. And the truth is that, like, I want to have a good relationship with my dad.

You know, we're going to therapy. You'll kind of see a little bit more of our journey as, like, the season progresses. I want him to be a part of my life. But it has to be in a way that, and I don't want to say it has to be on my terms, but I want it to be in a way that feels good for me and feels good for my family. family, right? Like, I also have a young son and I don't want to expose him to, you know, certain types of behaviors. So we're working on it. And I honestly am thankful for the show in that sense because I don't know that I would have like ever addressed the elephant in the room, right? It was so much easier to just deal with him at like Christmas, whatever and sweep it under

the rug. But the show kind of pushes your limits and boundaries in the sense you have to kind of address these things. And I'm thankful that we have. Yeah. I think we're in a better place. Your son is so adorable, by the way. Thank you. Pretty awesome. He's homesick right now, which kills me to be here. So Anthony's on Daddy Duty. You and Lisa have the cutest kids.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, they're awesome. They're good friends. It's fun to have, like, little kids on housewives. I feel like some of the... They say funny stuff. Yeah.

They don't have a filter. Wait, so they have, like, play dates together? Yeah, they have play dates. Logan and Gray get along really well. That is so sweet. It's cute, yeah. All new drinks are now at McDonald's. With refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher,

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kind of the experience of filming during that time when so much was coming out every day, you know, stuff in the press, stuff on social media. How did that kind of change the experience of filming? Because it happened in the middle of the season. I mean, I don't think fans realize that everything was happening live. Like, while we were, we would be set to film a scene at four and Lisa would show up 40 minutes late because she was in the car getting a text message. So when she would come in, that was.

fresh emotions. She was just dealing with it. And it was hard. It was hard to see your friend going through all of that. Like, you know, like it was hard witnessing her pain and her struggles. And it was it was a very emotional season for everybody for multiple reasons, but mostly because of the Lisa Lenny things. Lisa's honestly the sweetest girl. She's so kind and no one deserves that. Yeah. And so to see her hurting was. Yeah, right. And it's not just like a, you know, divorce is what it is. It's always challenging. But the specifics of her situation are...

It was just so nasty. Extra. Yeah. It honestly, like every... The way he decided to handle things. Like you said, you know, divorce is hard, but it happens. But the way he handled it was just so brutal. It was just like, oh, who cares? Like, taking the garbage out and bringing in, like, this new thing.

And it was just really uncouth. It felt like there was a sense in the group when this started rolling out that some things kind of got a little less important and you kind of rallied around Lisa as a friend. Did it feel like that was a concerted effort to kind of lift her up? Definitely. You know, to get all of us to go on a cast trip right after the Larsa and I thing happened was not easy, right? Like, I didn't want to be in the same room with her. I didn't even invite her at my engagement party.

But I realized that, you know, we're better as a group. And even though I don't see eye to eye with Larsa, I know she's a good friend to Lisa. And so, yes, we all kind of put our differences aside and rallied for her. Yeah, Lisa, it's so funny thinking back to the beginning of the season, how Lisa and Larsa were, like, at each other's throats for those first few episodes. And then it's like, yeah, never mind. This is stupid. Well, because I think she realizes, like, you know, there's bigger problems in the world than what you said about my house. And here we are.

You guys have some really fun, some really fun friendships in your cast, though. It is fun to see like Julia and Adriana always are, you know, kind of off doing their own little thing. I love their relationship, by the way. I think that they're just so funny and quirky and they like get each other. They're a good, a good duo. What do you think about Julia's issues with Kiki? Because that felt like it kind of came out of nowhere. So I noted to the viewers.

It kind of seems like everybody was like, what you were disinvited Kiki? Why didn't you disinvite Larsa? Larsa was the one that said this thing. But I think there was parts of the day that were cut out. Of the music video shoot on the boat. Correct. And I think Julia's biggest thing was that Larsa, Adriana and Kiki kind of get into a little argument. And Kiki gets pissed at Adriana and she threatens to sue.

So she basically tells her, if you use any footage of me in your music video, I'm going to sue you. And I'm going to sue a producer. So stupid when you think about it. And so then Julia was like, what do you mean? can't use this footage. We've all been out here dancing in the sun for six hours. Like, you better let this girl use this footage. And so she's like, if this girl's going to sue you, I don't want her in my house. What if she slips on some goopee? Like, is she going to sue me because she breaks her ankle? So I think that's why she disinvited her because of the lawsuit thing. And you guys

didn't really get to appreciate the lawsuit. Like, you talked about the mirror poem on invite being a little bit ridiculous. Kiki throwing out there that she's going to sue Adriana. I mean, it's ridiculous. And again, if you act ridiculous, you're going to get like a ridiculous reaction. Right. And so it's just like, oh, no, you're going to take Adriana's mega-Mittling. Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to do this again. No suing allowed. I'm not dancing on this boat, not a single second more. It's hard to have fun on a show when you feel like everybody's going to sue each other if you say one thing wrong. Well, honestly, that's what we're getting at this point, though, Della. And like, we're getting to the point where it's like you're like walking on eggshells at least with Larsa, right? Because you know that if

you say anything that she doesn't like, she's going to come at you with some crazy shit. And you're just like, who wants to like be with someone that's so yeah, um, like, ventful or volatile? I don't know what and it's just like you're walking on eggshells. And well, it's tricky because part of being on a show like this is that you're you're having disagreements or, you know, what ups and downs with somebody and things will come out and you don't want to feel like everything you say has to be like a hundred percent provable in court or whatever. Like if she can say whatever she wants about anyone. And also notice how I think we've all been very respectful with our responses to her.

Right. Like I think that most of us have boundaries. I do think that there's like housewives 101 for the most part, right? Like you don't talk about people's children. You don't talk about people's families and you don't go after their careers. Well, I'm pretty sure she called my son a bastard last reunion or almost did. It's not funny. It's not funny, but she did.

And now she's going after my career. Like, I think she even says in one of her, her confessionals, like, don't come after my kids. Don't come after my home and don't come after my business and we'll be okay. Well, those are the limits you set for yourself, but those don't apply to anybody? Yeah. Like, where do we draw the line? And when you, when you're so volatile, like you say, you. said, everyone feels like they have to be censored around her. And then we're not being real because

everyone's timid and scared. You know, like she almost has like a chokehold on everyone where no one speaks their truth to her because they're scared of what Larson is going to come with next. And I don't think that's the way a real friend group should operate. Like, we should be able to tell you like, Dylan, what you did was shitty. Yeah. And then we have a conversation about it. Right. And I think part of what people have really appreciated about Miami since you guys have been back is you have this big group, where it feels like everybody has different relationships with each person in the group. And so there's a lot of different conflict can kind of pop up anywhere. Anybody can have fun with each other.

There's a lot of group scenes where you're all together. And so if there is one person who's kind of messing with that. Dynamic. Natural dynamic, it can start to feel like maybe we don't need that or maybe it's not productive. And I do think that that's kind of been an issue with some of the franchises lately where things start to get a little too toxic, right? And people are getting to this point where it's like the group dynamic no longer works because people are like not getting along or people don't want to say certain things.

And it's like you lose that freshness. You lose that like natural vibe, I guess, because people are like. Right. If you're only, if it's only like seven coworkers and you're showing up at the appointed time and like staying exactly as long as you need to, then it's kind of like. You can feel that. You can feel it for sure. And I do think that that's what's happened with some of the franchises.

And I don't want that to be what happens to Miami. Yeah. You know, I think we've been able to maintain the same cast for two seasons. And I do think everyone in the cast brings something interesting to the ensemble. But if we keep getting to the point where nobody feels comfortable and people are censoring themselves because they don't want to deal with the Larson's low blows, then like at some point the group dynamic isn't going to work. Yeah. It's yeah, I think the casting is, it's delicate because it's like you don't want to cut people that are really bringing something exciting to the show. But then at the same time, it's like if you keep someone too long or if you, you know, bring in the wrong person, it could it can throw things off.

For sure. It's happy I'm not on casting duty. Speaking of casting, I'm curious, a couple of your castmates are going to be on an ultimate girl's trip coming up. Marisol and Alexia went to, I know. I know. I'm just wondering like, when is this coming out? It's been a really long time. Right? Like it's taken forever? It's got to be soon. I don't know. Would you do an Ultimate Girl's trip?

I would. I want to pick and choose so I'm traveling with. I know. I'm going to make you. Who would you want to be on a trip with? I'm like the antithesis of I feel like a lot of housewives. Like a lot of housewives want like major drama and they want to be with like all these heavy hitters. No, like I want to have a good time. Like I want Kathy Hilton there because I want to laugh. You know? I want Dorit so I can. borrow some of her clothes. Like I'm totally thinking selfish reasons. I'm not thinking as like a fan and I want to make a good show. I'm like, who do I want to have margaritas with? You know? So I love Whitney from Salt Lake City. She's always been super sweet. You know who is awesome? Was Lessa,

Lisa and Chanel? They were hilarious. They were such a good time. They were a good little duo. Yeah. Maybe like Lisa's got a goat. Maybe like her goat and Julia's goat. Hang out. And then I want one of my Miami girls. I really want Gertie to go with me. Gertie and I have gotten really close. Gertie might bring a little bit of drama.

I feel like Gertie is one of those people where I feel like she almost always means well, but she can be at an 11 when it's not necessary. Yeah. Look, I love Gertie. And I can tell you she almost never means well. Like she does not intend to be abrasive. But we were on the plane today, right? And she was putting her luggage up in the little cubby up at the top and her phone fell out and it hit a man on the knee. And the man was like, ow, that hurt.

And she's like, oh, please. And she was like kind of like joking with him. She was being sarcastic and like Gertie. But the man, I think, was like genuinely insulted by her response. She's like, you didn't hurt that bad. It's fine. That's basically what she did to the guy. I was like, oh, my God, Gertie, just say her sorry.

Look, she gets shit done. She does. Listen, I love her. And again, I think she's just funny and she's sassy and she says things and it gets misinterpreted. But I don't, I know. She rarely means like, it will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You and Gertie would be a fun duo to go on a girl's trip.

She's, I love her. She's awesome. Yeah. Did you know her at all before doing the show? We had met before. Yeah. Okay. Yes.

We weren't super close. Obviously, we've gotten closer through filming. But yeah, we had met before. I feel like, I mean, last year, it was. everything was so new and everybody was just coming back, but it's, it feels like everything has kind of like locked into place this year. And it's, it's fun to see you guys hanging out more. Yeah, I think so too. I think the group definitely has like a vibe to it. I just, it'd be nice to see things kind of like shift a little bit because like I said, I think the season ends and there's such a like firm line in

the sand that it's hard when you're a group and there's such a big divide. So I know you have reunion, so you just have finished watching all the episodes for the rest of the season. How are we feeling about these, I don't know, six, five something episodes that we have left? I mean, I feel good. Listen, I feel like I've always been very transparent and owned my position. And like, I'm fine the end of the season, some of the other people, not so much. Dr. Nicole, sitting pretty. I mean, listen, I'm sure some of the other girls wouldn't agree that I'm sitting pretty.

I'm sure they have some pretty strong feelings about the things I say and do coming up. But again, like, I think everything I do I do for a reason. I think you've got a long day ahead and I'm sure you'll hear about it. Oh, yeah. I'm sure I'll hear about all of it. Questions and concerns. Every single ounce of it. Look, you're a pro.

You got this. It's a long day. Reunion day is a long day. It's like 12 hours. We always get an Instagram story from Andy that's like 9 p.m. We're still going. I think that's the time of finishes usually. We start at nine.

We finish at nine. It's like 12 hours. We break for lunch. We're hard for the money. We need a raise, Andy. I need a raise. Housewives got to unionize. Seriously.

Because, wow, it's a lot. Yeah. Well, you've made it. Two seasons. Two seasons. I have your belt. Yeah. Well, Nicole, thank you so much for being here.

We always love to see you. And I feel like you'll be back. I hope so. Okay. And next time you come to Miami for more than 48 hours, please. Yes. Call a girl. We will definitely have a little fun time in Miami.

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