Mention It All - A Threat Or A Promise? (RHOBH)

Episode Date: September 9, 2021

Dylan and Bari are chomping at the bit to talk about Beverly Hills, but first they discuss the trailer for Winter House, and why this show actually looks great. Then, they get to the main event, and unpack Erika’s threat (promise?) to Sutton. They question Rinna’s strategy this season, and evaluate the state of her friendship with Garcelle. Later, they recap Garcelle’s beautiful Haitian dinner party, and debate when it’s time to let a friendship go on Housewives. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betcha's podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, though? And Barry Rosenfeld.

I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to Fleet Week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I am Barry Rosenfeld. And it is Podcast Friday. I love how we just have a made-up holiday for ourselves every week,

and it is like no one else. Like, it doesn't affect anyone else. Except for if it were a holiday, then we wouldn't, we shouldn't have to work. True. So, but this will be our last. We only, we're just going to record, like, we're going to record on Wednesdays, I think.

We should just do every episode on Wednesdays. And then just put them out whenever we feel like it. So like, okay. Yeah. Basically, like, I don't want to work ever. No. And I know you don't. Yeah, thank you.

I mean, pretty much. So like, if we, I'm trying to, yeah, we have to figure out, like, I'll watch housewives and talk about it, but I don't, I don't want to work. If Dylan knows me and I think he does, it's that I don't want to work ever. I mean, like, I would say. that's a pretty standard trait. Like it, it's always strange to be, like, obviously people have, like, goals and, like, motive, ambition and all of that, which is great.

But it's always strange to me when you, like, meet someone and they're, like, number one thing about them is that they're, like, career driven. It's like, I mean, it's great to have a good work ethic, but, like. Yeah, that's completely different. Having a good work ethic while you have your job is one thing. Like, we are passionate. about this. Right. Like I do my job well, but, you know, then you have your... There's other things about me. You have your like, derrits of the world where she's like, I've taken over swimwear. I've taken over

restaurant design. And now I'm going to do bridal. And she, like, I mean, a workhorse if I've ever seen one. And the dresses are coming in, P.K. I, that was one of, obviously, we're talking about, Beverly Hills, you know, it's our typical routine. If you haven't gotten a handle of the schedule yet, today is Beverly Hills. We've got plenty to talk about when Doree and PK were having their little date night and when they talk to each other, like he goes, you're going to kill it, baby. And she goes, I know, baby. Like they just, it's like Mr. Mrs. Smith over there. That was such a funny. I feel like we haven't seen a lot of them one on one earlier in the season. And last week, we got the scene with her trying on the wedding dresses and him naming the styles.

And like last night when all Derreet wanted was to give this like kind of lengthy, poignant toast. And he's like, yeah, babe. Cheers to that. Chiaz to that. Champagne. Very like James Kennedy vibes. And she's like, baby, let me give my toast. You know what, though?

I'm very disappointed in this season is we have not. gotten any husband scene, like any dinners that we've had because there's so much drama within the season have only been the women. And honestly, besides New Jersey, this is one of the castor like, we really like the husband. Right. There was the one scene where Kyle had people over and Maricio and P.K. were talking. It was like after, it was like when that one episode. Right. The one episode when Kyle and Dorete were like arguing and Maricio and P.K. a moment, but I, you're right that this season, the group dynamic has been so intense and there's been so many different, you know, like, they've had a lot of like group dinners and

stuff where they've really taken up a lot of like screen time and rightfully so. But this has been a super focused season. Like we haven't seen, you know, we've gotten a couple little scenes of Doreet with her wedding dresses. But like, we haven't really had a lot of, lot of like personal storyline so much. Like I want Rob Minkoff to like have a movie night at his house. Yeah, but even even just with the women themselves, it's like, you know, you'll see sometimes it's like a whole storyline of Lisa Rina doing her QVC or like, you know, Teddy with her accountability.

And like those storylines can be like hit or miss. But this season we've barely had any of that because so much is focused on what's happening with the group. And I think that's, you know, it's rare to have a season where there is so much to talk about with the group. So I'm thankful for it. But speaking of before we dive too deep into Beverly Hills, we have to, you know, climb back up the snowy mountain and talk about Winterhouse. Because first of all, the trailer dropped yesterday. It looks honestly pretty exciting, pretty dramatic.

I have a lot of people in the cast. I feel like, okay, first of. of all, thank God they went back to just calling it Winter House. I know. Not a fairy tale. Summer House, winter charm, bullshit. I, okay, when they announced this show, I was like into the idea of it, but I was a little unsure of how it would actually play out because they only filmed, I think they said 17 days.

It was really quick. A lot of these people already knew each other. We knew there were some new people, but it's like, I'm a little. little nervous for the same thing with Housewives' Ultimate Girls Trip. I was going to say all-stars, but that's not the name. Like, you know, sometimes when you do these crossover things, it's like, okay, it's fun to have people together, but like, is there, is anything going to happen? And this show, it looks like really the answer is yes. I think they did a really good job with the fact that they only filmed 17 days because that's like two, two and a half

weeks so three weeks so it's like not too long but it's like not too short where it's like okay nothing happened i feel like there's going to be a lot of love stories and triangles and circles and whatever and i'm excited that we also get to meet new people who we don't know we've never seen before because i think that would have been a little you know if it was like okay it's just like the same people we know almost literally getting a summer house winter house but I'm excited for these haughties. It's kind of like it, it almost is a little bit like a Bachelor in Paradise type of situation where there are certain people who are going to have bonds and relationships

from previous, you know, like obviously the summer house people know each other. Obviously Craig and Austin are friends. But like, you know, they've, all the summer house people have met Craig and Austin. Maybe not Sierra actually because she's newer. But like in general, it's like, oh, like, they kind of know each other, but like they haven't been in this dynamic before. And then the new people come into the house. And like, obviously there's going to be some love triangle type of situations. And I will say on Summer House last season when they were quarantined in the house together, I thought it was a great season.

But there wasn't really a lot of like hookup drama that we've had sometimes in the past. just because it was, you know, it was a set group of people. Nobody was coming and going. And like a lot of people were in relationships with each other. So like I'm excited to see a show where things are a little bit messier in the like love life department. Do you think Hannah's going to watch? I mean, yeah, she'll probably, she'll probably turn it on like the hotel TV while she's on her comedy tour. You know, I'm sure she'll catch some of it.

Yeah, I guess. It's got a support page. Yeah. It is like funny to see Paige and Amanda kind of be the dynamic duo. Yeah. But I love it. We love to see it. That TikTok they posted was really cute.

I know. They are adorable. How many of those did they have to do? I would always like forget. I'd be like, oh, Dylan, we forgot to do our high five video today, you know? Oh, I would forget the first day. I would do it one time and never. again. Like, um, one time I, you know that thing where it was like, uh, the app where you did,

it was like one second every day. And you were supposed to make like a one second video every day for a year. And then it like compiles it together. Yeah. And so it's like a, it makes like a four minute video at the end because it's like 360. Three hundred six. Three hundred six seconds. I don't know how many minutes that is. But like I tried to do it one time. I think I lasted like three days. And it sends you a reminder too. And I'm like, I don't feel like taking a fucking video right now. How sad is that? It's one second.

Like one second you have to do. And it's just like, I can't today. I'm just so exhausted. In your mind, in your mind, it's going to be something like cool every day. And then you're like, well, I'm just like sitting in bed. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs.

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Your next obsession is waiting. Watch only on Prime. All right, let's enter the dinner from hell. Let's re-enter Kathy Hilton's Balear. estate where Patrick, I think, is getting increasingly annoyed by the commotion that's happening at dinner. Am I allowed to stand and listen? Like, that was like when they, he was like, what do I do?

He did, he would not desert his post. Like, Patrick is the equivalent of, you know, in Titanic when the ship is sinking and the, like, the musicians are still playing as the ship goes down. Like, there's always choked. Patrick Patrick is going to stay on there until Erica Jane burns the fucking house down. And she almost does. He literally when he took the bell from Lisa, he goes, this is my job. That's my job.

Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Patrick, oh my God, the MVP of this dinner. So we all know where we pick up. It's Sutton and Erica and things have escalated. And Eric, I feel like there's been like this switch that flipped inside of Erica where she, you know, she sat there for this whole dinner and was clearly really frustrated with the direction things were going. And the switch flips and all of a sudden it's like, times up on Sutton, fuck you. I'm about to like lay down the law.

And I mean, I can't really like, I can't follow. her for being angry at the situation. I think her specific choice of words is like a little intense. But I think intense is a good is a good word. And also I said this last week too, it's the gritting of like the teeth and like talking like she was seething. And I just have to say like obviously everyone knows I'm always one to take like the not popular opinion. Like I'm I just see both sides. but at the same time, Crystal was kind of saying, like, what I was saying, like, I would react.

I take away the actual situation. If someone was doing that to you, like, I wouldn't maybe react or choose the words that, like, Erica did, but I would still be angry at Sutton, at the person that is not my friend. So, like, even Crystal was like, I mean, she's right. Like, she's, I would do the same thing. Like, Crystal wasn't backing down either. And she was kind of not so much defending Erica, but being like, you know, she's allowed to like voice her opinion, but she, she was a little, it was someone

throughout the word bullying. I don't, I maybe that would be considered bullying what she did. It was a lot to be sitting next to someone. When her, when she's clearly seeing red and Kathy is like, bring it down. Calm down. Calm down. Rina's like, take a deep breath. Garcell's like, hold it in. The table just goes silent. And then that, that flip at the moment where she goes. She looked like a gargoyle. Silence.

Silence. You ever call me a liar again? I'm coming for you. That was, Dylan, I, I chuckled. I let out a chuckle when that scene happened because they went. It was so, she was in a stance. I'm not kidding. Like she looked like a gargoyle.

And like Kathy said, calm down. She looked up with her face still down. so like her and like just her eyelash. Yes. And like then they showed each like you said, they showed each person and it was so silent that you can't. That wasn't dramatic. That was funny.

Like are they serious? It was very over the top. I think that was her like natural reaction because it was such a heightened situation. But then she said, you know, she's do you want to get sued? I'm not threatening. I'm promising. It's a lot.

And I, okay. The threat. The lawsuit comment, I understood what she was saying because she was saying, if you start talking about Tom, he's the kind of person. Right. And you're on camera. If you start saying things about Tom, he's the kind of person who could sue you for something like that. And, you know, you're not talking about somebody who's dead and gone and isn't ever going to hear about this. Right.

And so I understood the basis of that comment. but it was very much coming across as a threat in that moment. And if I were sudden, I certainly would have felt like I was being threatened. And, you know, her saying that it's not a threat, it's a promise. It's like, okay, so it's also still a threat. That's very much so a threat. I liked seeing Doreet kind of, I thought Doreet sort of found her backbone a little more in that moment because we've seen her in private, you know, have more reservations about the situation.

And when she said, none of us asked to be in this position, like, obviously they have their concerns about their friend Erica, but none of them are like happy that this is now taking up all of this time and they are peripherally involved. Like, I think that is a valid point. And I think that's what Erica kind of can't wrap her mind around. That it's like they're not necessarily saying that they think Erica is like evil and should go to. jail, they're just saying, like, they don't love being involved with this either. Do you think that if they were in any sort of, because the only way they would be involved is because of the show, like, they are together because of the show. Do you think Bravo or NBC or anyone would allow this to keep happening, the show to keep

filming if they were in any sort of danger to be, like, part of the, um, like, let you know, like. I think, to be honest, I think the only thing that, I think the only thing that, I think the only thing that they really care about is their own liability. Like, I think they take a pretty hands-off approach when it comes to the actual, um, like personal lives of the, of the people on the shows. I mean,

if that were the case, it's like, why would they be, you know, filming in Erica's overflow closet when the feds might come take her set, like that kind of thing. And like, same with Jen Shaw.

Like, you know, they're clearly not like, distancing themselves from these people in the capacity of them being cast members on a show. So I don't think they'd be like, I don't really think they're like looking into protecting like everyone's legal interests. But I do think they, I'm sure there are like lots of conversations about what the network is liable for.

And I think at this point, it's like Erica has not been charged with anything. Tom hasn't even been charged with anything. So it's like, yeah, like I don't think any of these women are involved on a level where they're going to have, like, legal problems. But I get what they are saying about, like, they're associated with Erica. Yeah. And by default, they're now associated with this whole mess. You know, it's crazy. So, like, Erica is getting an insane amount of hate because of the.

allegations that she stole money from like the widows and orphans, etc. Which we don't know if she had anything to do it. It makes it makes you sick. Yeah. Like which we don't know if she had anything to do it. Yeah. But Jen Shah is allegedly guilty for stealing and orchestrating things against old stealing money from elderly.

And they're both online still doing the same thing, posting pictures. She's going live like doing. everything because she is literally just living like nothing has happened yet but I feel like she's not getting the hate that like Erica is getting. I feel like she is. I think honestly because their season hasn't started yet, I think Jen isn't giving us the material to work with yet, but I think that will come. I mean, you and I have both seen the season premiere. There are even certain things that she's saying pre getting arrested where now that we, knowing what we know now, It's like, girl.

Just keep your mouth shot. Just keep your mouth shot. Yeah. So I think that'll come, but I don't. So did you watch any of Jen's Instagram live with Giselle? Absolutely not. Oh my God. I like happened to tune in.

Wait, but wasn't it with Prima Donald? Yeah. So Bravo, they've done this with a few shows, but they're, you know, obviously promoting the new season. So they were doing, um, Donald from Bravo was hosting an Instagram live with, it was like three sets of Potomac and. Salt Lake Housewives. Like they do these kind of like matchups. And of the marquee attraction, I would say was Jen Shaw going live with Giselle.

And, you know, Giselle for as messy as she is on housewives, she is a consummate professional. She does chat room. She knows how to, you know, she knows how to like stick to the guidelines and everything. So it was not like, I wouldn't say it was like, extremely messy. You know, Jen proudly proclaimed her innocence. They were like talking about who stood by her. Maybe not to go live on Instagram.

Exactly. But I mean, they kept the comments on, which I was like a little bit like, why didn't you turn the comments off? And people were literally like, babe, like,

when are you going to jail? Like there was a lot of that. But I think I was surprised when they announced that because they have not had Erica doing any press this entire season of Beverly Hills. Like, I don't even think she's been on Watch What Happens Live. She has not been doing, you know, interviews. She's not coming on our podcast.

Like, I don't, you know, you're not seeing Erica talking to people. You know, she posts their tweets and then she kind of just goes. So it was surprising to me that like before the season even starts, they're like, here's Jen Shaw on Instagram Live. but I think what I guess we'll see as the season begins, you know, kind of how that unfolds. Because I have a feeling it'll end up being pretty similar to the conversation around Erica. Yeah. It's just like right now we're getting an hour every week of like Erica news to dissect.

Okay, but so let's get back into the, you know, Sutton leaves the table because she is not going to sit there and be threatened, which of, I think Sutton, I think she plays the leave the room card a little too much. But this is one instance where I'm like, yeah, you can leave that dinner. I agree. I agree. And she's like, I do agree. She's like, I'm not going to sit there and get sued. That was a little much.

I feel like anyone in that situation would have gotten up and left. Like, fuck this. I had my caviar pie. I'm going home. Yeah, but she had her. She had her back wrap gift in her hand because she was like, I'm not leaving without this. Like, did you see the red box in her hand?

She was like, I took my gift to go. But I mean, you see who went out. And like Kyle, Kathy, obviously, because Kathy is a host, but and Garcell. And like, then they all start screaming at each other. And like, Kyle really is in the middle. I think that she's a good potster. Like, she knows what she's doing as well, Kyle. And she's playing both sides.

but at the same time just calling Sutton out on her bullshit. But then she's like, no, I was trying to get Sutton to say what she wanted to say. And I was like, yeah, but you didn't think it was going to end like this, did you? Plan B is a backup birth control option that's there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is available nationwide at all major retailers and through delivery apps like Doors. No ID, prescription, or age requirement. It's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception, and it won't impact

your future fertility. That's Freedom to Be. Use us directed. I do appreciate the last couple episodes. I think we've seen Kyle making an effort to not just be completely one-sided. Yeah. And her scenes with Sutton, I think, have been kind of a different dynamic because obviously we kind of know where Sutton is coming from.

And I think Kyle, Kyle and Sutton don't see eye to eye on this, but it still feels like Kyle is approaching Sutton from like a respectful place of like, okay, like let's talk about this. Like let's figure it out. There's obviously these issues where I feel like the other side of that coin is Lisa Rina

who seems to have gone completely to the side of I'm going to put my, I'm just going to like do like put my fingers in my ears like la la la the less I know the better. And I mean, at least from the reaction I see of people watching the show, nobody is impressed with Lisa Rina's handling of this whole situation. And last night, it was when she goes to Garcell's house, the day after and Garcell's like, girl, that dinner and Renna's like, what happened? I was drunk.

Was she? I know. When she's just like, when she's like, well, I remember Sutton and Erica had words, but whatever,

what happened? And it's like, girl, Garcel said one thing and Runa goes, no way. No, I was like,

Rina, are you fucking kidding? You weren't, you had like a, like you weren't in the slightest, you weren't, even we've seen her drunk

before, like, you, she wasn't to point of non-rememberate. Like, no. There's a, there's a lot of room

between like, I'm sober, and I am blacked out and won't recall what happened. And, like, Rina was somewhere in the middle, but she was not on the extreme end of that. I can't even find the words to be, like, Rina, you couldn't have thought maybe he could have gotten up at that point and even gone to the bathroom.

Then we would have known you weren't there in the room when it happened. When Ashley was in the bathroom, when Monique and Candace had their fight last season. Oh, my God. But, like, to not remember, I mean, listen, give Rina credit for, like, she's been very cheery, this season, I would say, like more cheery than usual.

I've actually noticed, like anytime, hi, oh my God, but like every scene. And so she's like, no way. She's playing it really like, she's not backing down. She's like, I don't remember. And you know what? Good for her. Okay, she does it. That's her way of not being involved.

Then she was just so nonchalant about it. I was like, wow, you really are playing that card. That's kind of wild. I don't necessarily, I mean, I don't think she and I have. the same opinions about Erica, but I don't necessarily begrudge her wanting to stick by her friend or like having a different opinion than I do because that's how being a human works. But the fact that she's so uninterested in even like paying attention to what's going on or knowing what's going on, it's like it's not a great look when, you know,

it's not just like some stupid little rumor about Erica. It's like a whole situation that clearly is very real. And, you know, so then Garcel brings up that she feels like the group has kind of split into two halves and that it's a little bit like, you know, her crystal and Sutton and then the rest of them on the other side. And that she doesn't feel supported by Rina. And, you know, this is kind of picking back up from earlier in the season when they were, when Garcell was having. having a tough time trusting Rina because of the Denise stuff last season. And Rina is just like seemingly so shocked by this. She's like, huh.

Oh. See, that's what I mean. She's so animated. She's so animated, but just like in a way that's not convincing at all. And then she's like, she's like, well, you know, Carousel, maybe you're nitpicking with me a little bit and that's okay. And I love her the way she's like The way she like does a kind of a condescending dig

And she's like, but it's okay I'm not mad because you know you also did the thing Where when Harry brought the pasta sauce You said thank you but you didn't like send a note Or a text or a whatever and it's like Garcel was like I told you while you were standing in front of me Thank you. It's like he dropped off a fucking jar of pasta sauce

He didn't like he didn't like buy her a car Like it's not that big of a deal But then you look at you look at at things like Rina, like what, what the sauce thing? And when she first said that, I was like, oh my God, that's so cute. That was so nice. And it was like, all right, well, was that were you actually just looking for something then? Like, did you know who in their right mind would call someone out for like not thanking them the next day after eating the sauce? Like, was she doing that on purpose? But the two of them, they said they're just going to continue to keep working on

their friendship. But honestly, I just think that they've outgrown each other and they just both can't not, can't stand each other, but just are like, they're not the best of friends, but they're going to continue to keep working on it. So they say, yeah, it's, it's one of those things where obviously they knew each other for a long time before this show even existed. And, you know, so when Garcel was brand new to the show, it made sense for her to kind of be like, oh, Rina's my friend. But now that they've been on for two seasons to, sorry, now that they've been up for two seasons together, like, I feel like Garcel is realizing that it's like, oh, in this context, I don't know if it actually makes sense for me to like think of Rina as a friend

because, you know, maybe they're friends in the, you know, in the great wide world out there, but like on the show, I don't think they're really, you know, compatible. Yeah. And, you know, another set of friends who I'm not quite sure is compatible. either are Sutton and Kyle. I just don't. Yeah. So they go to this showroom and we're in Sutton's happy place a lot. You know, she's just a different person in this.

She loves the win. She like they're shopping for, I don't, at first I was like, are they shopping for her store? They're shopping for themselves. But like they, you can tell there was tension with the two of them because they were there to avoid the conversation that they wanted to have. Because they were focusing on the shopping. It kind of like spilled out after they bought those rings a little bit. Their power pinky rings.

I think what you were saying before is right about how, you know, Kyle kind of wants to call Sutton out on, you know, maybe not standing up to Erica or being afraid of Erica. And I think Sutton, I think Sutton feels like she is doing everything she needs to do in her interactions with, Erica and that Erica's the one sort of not accepting it. I just think like, I think Sutton feels fine about everything she said to Erica. I think she feels like she said what she needed to say. They're clearly not on speaking terms. They're not going to be making up anytime soon. And I think Sutton is like, yeah, I'm at peace with that.

I said everything I wanted. And Kyle still feels like there's some level that Sutton's not. being 100% genuine or whatever. And I don't, I don't really know that that's the case. Well, yeah. And I just think this is the type of situation where no one, there are so many conflicting opinions that no one's ever going to get to the bottom of how like each other feels. And Sutton, of course, gets upset and leaves. And like what you said before, like she just is, that's just, it's just her M.O. Like, it's just what she does. And it's kind of just like annoying to watch someone constantly not be able to like hear what someone has to say to them.

I got so frustrated when I, when I was watching that last night because it's like you, you're friends with Kyle at this point. Like, why are you getting upset and walking away? And I did laugh when Kyle turned around and she was had no idea Sutton wasn't there. And she's like, wait, where are you going? Like she was talking and Sutton at last. This one I felt like. Just like stop.

This one I felt like the, the leaving the room was a little unnecessary. Like the dinner I got it. This one I was kind of like, just stay. Like, why are you getting so emotional? But it's like you can get emotional and then like work through that and explain how you feel. And I don't think Kyle, you know, they might not agree on everything. But Kyle is not being like hostile toward sudden. I mean, why are you getting so emotional every time?

Like you have a conversation with with someone who is trying, who is close with you. They keep using their air quotes because that was like the theme of last night's episode there. Yeah. She's a friend. Doricos. you use italic. Like what'd she say like italics? I think.

De Reet. Okay. At De Rietz, or at Garcell's Haitian dinner, Derreet was like really in the mood to be a comedian, which I think is like a funny. But she wasn't like that funny. Oh,

no, she's not that funny. She thinks she's very funny sometimes. And I think it's funny to watch, not because she is actually humorous. But like at this dinner, she's telling the story and she's like, she's like, does anybody want to hear this story?

And they're like, I mean, tell the story. Just like get over with. And, you know, she like, is it going to go through dessert? She throws out a C word, which is like, it comes out of nowhere and it's like, what's happening? Sutton even goes, really? Because like, God, you can't say the C word in front of, front of Sutton.

So disrespectful. Or she was like, I'm sorry. Please forgive my ignorance. But are these flowers? like something, you know. I guess flower is something that's like Kyle, they're orchids. I think something that's like a like common in Haiti.

I did feel like at this dinner, the women generally had, you know, a good level of curiosity about the cultural experience Garcel was providing for them. It was a beautiful dinner. Obviously, some of the foods were not, you know, typical things that these women are used to eating. For the most part, I thought they were, you know, respectful and like, you know, there's a level of curiosity that's appropriate. And I thought, you know, they were doing a nice job of that.

And obviously, Garcel was really excited to share, you know, this side of her. We haven't, she's talked about it on the show, but we haven't really gotten to see it in like a more of a formal setting like this. I did. I did love when Rina was, of course, the first one there, like, always. this season and they took bats on who would be last and Doreet Kamsley was not the last one there and she was she I feel like Doreet is kind of looking for Yep yep she's like looking for something to latch on to this

right now and you know she was like acting just like a little too annoyed that they had said she was going to be last and she's like she's like oh is that another dig you thought I was going to be late and it's like Doree it's because you're always late yeah I was like actually taken back by that show. I was like, Doreet, this is not personal. Like you literally like you, it's what you do. Like it's not.

And Garcel was not even being rude. She was like laughing, like joking. She was being completely honest. And then when Kathy just didn't come, Kyle was like, oh wait, no, she's not coming. I thought Kathy was going to be left. She can do whatever she wants. Okay.

That's the friend of, that's the friend of perks. Would have been a little considerate to just send a text Garcel's way, but, you know, the shit happens. I guess. But this, I feel like the seating at this table was, was better designed because Garcel was like, Erica, you're next to me. You're coming and sitting next to me.

And that way she was nowhere near Sutton at the end of the table. And I think like she, you know, she was like, I'm not, I'm here for Garcel. Like, whatever anyone else has to say, I'm just scrolling through New York Times. She was like, okay, you could, you don't have to be on your phone during dinner. But like, I, I get it. I did feel like. everybody, I did feel like everybody had a good attitude at this dinner. Like, I think they kind of understood as a group that they didn't want it to be a blowout.

Another blow up. And it was a really nice dinner. You know, there was like some tension, you know, Doret and Garcel clearly still have some like simmering tension. And I think we're going to see more of that next week, which I am excited for because that their dynamic, their dynamic has become super intriguing all of a sudden. like until a couple weeks ago it was kind of like yeah whatever but since rina's the rina beauty lipstick lunch i'm like i want to see more of that um but yeah i was i liked seeing they go to sit down after the dinner everybody's fucking freezing apparently because they're all like under garcell's various coats and um so they all talk about they're talking about these pants that kyle wore

like two months ago and they just happened to be the pants that she wore to the meeting at Doreet's house and it was so awkward like when Erica's like oh where was that but what was that and they're like oh we weren't invited I just like have never seen anyone

just have that many coats to whiff out like of that extent and just like and they were all like fluffy too they weren't none of them were like beautiful but so at the end of the night after that like they kind of, it was very abrupt to me, like Erica, Doreet and Rina get up and leave. Like they were all like, oh, like, it was almost like someone told them to go and they like,

when it was very bizarre to me. It did. I agree. It was like, Doreet was like, okay, well, I think I'm gonna,

and it's like, me too, me too. Yeah. And so Crystal was kind of being, there's always like one voice of reason in an episode and she was kind of just stating the obvious where she was like, you guys aren't friends like to,

she was talking to son. She's like either, you know, like pretend or you're done. Like you're done. And I can't believe someone actually had to tell her that. I'm not sure that she like needed to be told. But I think Sutton at that point was still expecting a possible apology from Erica,

which like we all know that was it never going to happen. Well, and vice versa. You know, Erica feels like she wants an apology from Sutton for being called a liar. But at the same time, even if she did apologize, she still wouldn't trust her. And it's, I liked seeing the juxtaposition of. of Kyle who's been on this show since the beginning. And her instinct is clearly, oh, well, you guys can find a way. You can work it out.

You can find a Band-Aid. You can do this. You guys can, you know, be cordial, have this relationship. And that is such a mindset of somebody who's been on this show for 11 seasons. And it's like, you know, there's an incentive to kind of make up with everyone so that you can keep having the group dynamic. whereas Crystal, who's brand new to the show, is like, no, I mean, like, they're not friends. I talk to Erica.

She isn't going to make up with Sutton. They're not going to be friends. They don't need a Band-Aid. Sutton doesn't want a Band-Aid. I don't think Erica does either. It's like, it's interesting to see the two strategies kind of next to each other. And I think in this case, I appreciate what Kyle is trying to do by like bringing the group together.

But it's like, this is one time where it's just not, it doesn't make sense and it's not going to happen. And in that very moment is when I was like, there's going to be a different cast for next season. Oh. In that, no joke. In that right when they, when they, the second two people are legitimately not friends and it's not going to work and they're never going to speak again.

It is tough. It's a shakeup. It is tough. I mean, we saw it was hard to imagine like either Monique or Candice not leaving before this season. we saw obviously Lisa Vanderpump left when she was unwilling to make up with half the cast. Yeah, I, it is, it feels early to think about casting for next season, but at the same time, I think they're filming their reunion tomorrow. So like, now there's this rumor, which it's in radar online, which I don't, I don't trust them as far as I could throw them.

But there's this rumor that Erica now is not on good. terms with Doreen and Kyle because she feels like their support has not been strong enough. And so if that is true, which, I mean, that's a big if, but if Erica really only is on good terms with Rina,

honestly, like, I don't think things look great for Rina at this point either because she has taken Erica's side so strongly. Personally, I would love to see Erica back next season just because I think the it's just too, I'm too invested to want her to leave, like, whatever I think is like, you know, if there's something shady or whatever, I'm like, I still want to know what's going on. But it is, yeah, we're getting to that point where it's like, okay, so what happens now?

Because I can't imagine this season has been such a hit. I would imagine they're going to start filming pretty quickly. Right. After the reunion. I agree. I would want Erica back too, just because at that point, I don't know, like lawsuits obviously take a really long time. But like we could see her literally living a whole new life.

And that would be. It would be bizarre after this whole season to all of a sudden just kind of like never talk about it again. Or to have like one scene where it's like, yeah, like we're not getting closure this season because the situation is still playing out in real life. So it's like I want to see more. Yeah. But that's crazy because I feel like if the, because all this is so fresh and they are filming their reunion tomorrow. going to be explosive. What a time. I know. I can't wait.

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