Mention It All - All Good Seasons Come To An End Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Reunion, Summer House Reunion)

Episode Date: May 18, 2022

Dylan is joined once again by Jordana Abraham, and they start with their reactions to the RHODubai trailer. Then, they jump into the Summer House reunion, where unseen footage changes the conversation, and Ciara’s perspective suddenly makes more sense. They also discuss the lack of Kyle/Amanda discussion, and how they feel about this season as a whole. After that, they break down part three of the RHONJ reunion, where Louie makes a good impression, but Teresa doesn’t do herself any favors. They also discuss the relationship dynamics with the Aydins and the Catanias, and their hopes and fears for next season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am joined by Jordana Abraham. Hey, Jordana. How's it going? Hey, Dylan. It's such a bittersweet day because we've so much to talk about. And it's my last recurring guest segment for a bit.

but what a great day to be able to do that. So much to talk about, you know? I know. We have had a good run these last few months with our summer house and Jersey doubleheaders. And I don't know how much Bravo plans these things, but for both seasons to come to an end in the same week, it feels like a momentous occasion. And we have very exciting. The Real Houseways of Dubai trailer finally dropped. The premiere is literally two weeks from today.

So it was about time that we got our first look at this. season. Jordana, any thoughts from watching this trailer? How are you feeling about Dubai? I'm into it. I'm excited to see. I mean, has there been one that has been out of the United States? Nope. It's the first, it's the first international one that Bravo has made like in-house that's not outsourced to a different country. Right. I think that's going to be, that in itself is going to be really interesting. And I know Dubai has like such a mix of all different, like a lot of different cultures. it kind of feels like a Middle Eastern Vegas. So I think there's going to be a lot to work with because, again, it feels like Vegas,

but there's also like a lot of the Middle Eastern, like, cultural stuff that I'm sure they're going to be unpacking and how those dynamics sort of weed into it, or feed into it rather. So I'm excited to see, you know, it's interesting. When they launched Salt Lake City, I was like into that too because I was like, oh, it's like centered around this Mormon vibe, which is very different than anything I know. So I'm feeling a similar sense of curiosity and excitement for Dubai. What about you? I feel the same way. The cast is a very kind of diverse, eclectic group with Caroline Stanberry obviously is a Bravo fan favorite already. I'm very

excited to see her back in any context we can take her. And the rest of the cast seems fun. I mean, we haven't gotten to know them super well so far. But the trailer, I feel like, is it's not, I saw some people saying it was a little bit light on drama maybe, which I guess I would agree with. But I think also there's a lot of work to do just to kind of establish who these people are. What's the vibe of the show? And so I think I think the trailer does a good job of kind of giving off the vibes of like, okay, first of all, these ladies are rich as hell. Second of all, they've all got different stuff going on. You see one of has like a spa that they're opening. There's Chanel Aion as like a supermodel. You know, they all have very different kind of things going on. So I'm excited just to get to know a new group of women.

Like you were saying with Salt Lake, that was the last time we really had that. And I think it's turned out super well. You know, it's definitely been a hit. So I'm just excited to have another show to keep up with. And if the international thing works well, I think there's a lot of potential for Bravo to do more of that. So we'll see. I'm excited June 1st. Totally. I would love to see more international cities. I think that would be really cool. They just announced last week that they're going to film next season of Top Chef internationally for the first time. And so I'm like, Bravo's really, they're getting out there and expanding their global footprint, I guess. I know. It's a, it's a Bravo world and we're just living in it. Let's talk about this summer house reunion part two.

I think the thing I saw most people talking about from this reunion was the amount of unseen footage that they were using in some of these segments. And you start to be a little bit like, wait, wait, wait. Okay, I know that they're obviously not showing us absolutely everything, but there were whole segments of this reunion, specifically the stuff about Lindsay and Austin maybe hooking up sleeping naked together in Montauk. And I'm literally like, did I black out at some point this season? and not remember this. But no, the whole thing was shown in unseen footage at the reunion. And I just don't really understand this editing strategy, I guess. I totally agree. I feel like that would have been very useful information to know for context of all the drama

that involved him to. I think that would have added a little bit more color to the situation. So I did think it was weird that they like saved it for this. There was just like a lot of, a lot of that too. It was very bizarre. to me that they wouldn't include that in the editing because that was interesting. Right. And I think something that we, that people were talking about after the first part of the reunion, sort of with Paige and Lindsay or Danielle and Sierra, that it didn't feel totally clear

kind of why everyone was mad at each other or exactly sort of where certain vibes were coming from. And in this part of the reunion, seeing so much unseen footage, it's like, yeah, it's actually helpful to have context for things when it's like, because I think what they showed on the reunion this time made me see Sierra's side of it a little more where like Lindsay was more actively maybe doing something with Austin. She says they weren't hooking up or whatever, but you know, sleeping in the bed together in Montauk is not nothing. It makes you wonder it's like during the season, are they trying to make us like Lindsay more or, you know, is there kind of like a motive with the edit, but then if you're going to talk about it at the reunion anyway, what's the point of not

showing us in the first place? Totally. I think Sierra's like Italian dinner breakdown, it made a lot more sense once they showed her. Because it, again, it kind of feels like a little bit, I mean, obviously it was harsh and like, unless she said some things that were unnecessary, but you do get the sense of like her growing frustration as she does actually try to talk to Lindsay about things that were bothering her about the situation. And Lindsay really, I mean, in the footage, obviously it's an edit, but they showed it, like she shuts her down basically every time. So I can see why if that was happening continuously and you kind of feel like you

are being disrespected sort of like over and over again and you're not given an outlet to like discuss it and you try. I can see why she might have overreacted and kind of gotten to like a boiling point. And you could see almost like she's like shaking at that table. Like she's like got so. she's so worked up probably from not being able to like communicate it at all and being shut down. It made more sense to me. Not that it again is justified to speak to someone like that, but it made, I understood it more.

And I liked on this part of the reunion that Sierra, I felt like she kind of chose to be the bigger person and apologize to Lindsay for only kind of talking to her in front of the group and not kind of handling it in a more productive way, I guess. but she did admit that she hooked up with Austin after filming the show this summer. I'm not surprised. Andy's like the voice of all of us where it's like, ah, why. But yeah, I'm not shocked. Like, was it like the best life decision? Perhaps not. But also, who cares?

Totally. I mean, here is the thing. I can relate a lot to going back to a dating situation, which is clearly, really bad for you with someone who doesn't respect you or treat you correctly. And like, that's sort of a thing that happens a lot in dating, like you, especially when you're young in dating. Like you keep, you kind of like keep going back to someone who doesn't treat you the way you deserve to be treated. And it almost, if you're in a certain mindset, it can almost make you like them more in some sort of sense. Also just like, if you're like bored and lonely and somebody is being nice to you all of a

sudden, it's like, yeah, come over. Like maybe. And I think the thing that's, lost in that when Lindsay calls her out. She's like, is that before after you hooked up with him? It's like, again, I think we need to remember that Sierra is like 25 and, you know, that's the time that you make those kinds of mistakes and like might again. Like it's a bad look for her and I think she's embarrassed about it. That was probably clear. But it goes to show me even more so that like she really liked him and she couldn't help herself. Like she really liked him.

And she's kind of said that. And I think Lindsay is not really acknowledging that piece of it. Right. And it's easier for Lindsay when she's now sitting on the couch with her serious boyfriend who she's in love with. And she's like, fine, whatever. Austin happened. I don't really care. But Sierra's like, no, my feelings were hurt. Like I was, that was like a meaningful situation to me. And I think Lindsay is kind of in a position where because she has this like safety blanket of Carl now, all of the stuff that happened before that is kind of like, well, who cares about that? That was last summer. We're not talking about that anymore. And it's like, oh, okay, well, not everybody has to move on on the same timeline. And I'm just surprised that Lindsay has no, like, sense of empathy or compassion for the situation that Sierra is in. Just given that the guy that she is currently dating Carl essentially did this to her, like, two years ago.

Like, was dating her and then was like asking out the Barry's girl in front of her and like really messing with her head. And like, she had like a lot of like breakdowns because of that. She was like very upset about that. So I'm just a little surprised that she. can't more clearly relate to how Sierra was feeling and have a little bit more like empathy for her going through that. Yeah. Well, Lindsay's empathy or maybe a sense of being calculated is something that we talk about also with Paige and Craig going into the stuff about Craig allegedly

hooking up with Kristen Cavalieri, which Kristen says never happened, but everybody else seems to believe Craig because I guess the thought process there is Craig would know that it would hurt Paige to know that he hooked up with Kristen. So why would he make it up? Because he wouldn't want to hurt Paige's feelings unless he has to. It's a little muddy. But what it comes down to is that, yeah. Can I tell you something?

I kind of think he made it up. Or he exaggerated it a lot. I think whatever happened, he, I think Kristen Cavaleri is a lot more famous than him. She's extremely beautiful. True. And I think he sort, maybe someone said something and he kind of didn't fight it and then like kind of let it. Right. There's a part of me that thinks that like he really liked the, and it made Page more into him than he knew that Page really likes Kristen.

So he's kind of like, okay. Like this is like, this is a good look for me. I managed to hook up with Kristen Cavalari. Yeah, I actually think you are onto something, whether or not this is true, whether or not he made it up. I think the idea that it would hurt Page's feelings is maybe not spot on because I think maybe it would on some level make page upset, but I also think it would make Page feel competitive with Christian Cavalry.

And it's like, oh, I'm like, oh, well, like, if Kristen got with Craig, then like, I can can definitely get with Craig. I'm in that league. Yeah, I'm in that league. That's what I'm saying. I think, Kristen is like a little out of Craig's league, which I think Kristen knows, which is why she's denying it regardless, or even making a statement or being probably put her lawyers on Bravo to make sure they did not say her last name. Her last name. I mean, that seems clear to me that she was very intent on herself not being inserted into the situation, which again, to me, I think something weird happened with them, but I don't think they were like hooking up. And I think if they did, it was probably one time and she, I don't think they were like hooking up.

I think maybe they happened to sleep together once and she was not, she was like kind of regretted it. A little OTPHJ. As they say. So good. So good. So good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame and free people.

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And Lindsay is like, no, I didn't, but also it was on Des Moire. So if I did, it's not really my fault because it wasn't secretly. information. And Amanda then chimes in and it's like, oh, yeah, Lindsay kind of always does that where she knows the tea and then waits until it's the convenient moment for the show. And I think Amanda, it's interesting because Amanda and Lindsay aren't like fighting, but Amanda in that moment is like, oh, wait, yeah, I have an opinion on that. Lindsay definitely does that. And I think Lindsay does do that. Whether or not I think, I don't necessarily think that makes Lindsay like some horrible villainous friend. But it's like, yeah, she kind of does that.

Yeah. And I'm sure Amanda has some like deep-seated resentment from when she did tell her that Kyle was cheating on her on camera when like if they were really friends or she told she had that conversation with Kyle on camera. And I think that she probably thinks like if they were really friends, she might have done this off camera because she did find out as the show was filming. And I could see her feeling a little resentful if she thinks back to that time. But maybe she never really had the outlet to say anything. And now she's like, yeah, that actually does feel messed up. Right. Like, I don't think Lindsay is out here with some evil master plan.

But I do think if she gets some information during the summer on a Wednesday, she's going to wait until Saturday to tell you. Yeah. I mean, she plays the game. She looks great, by the way. She looks so good. She does look good. I do really feel like her and Carl together feels like it just, it makes sense to me.

I think they look good together. The fact that Lindsay hasn't drank in like five months and is like. Yeah. I mean, it's so good for her, but like what are we going to have it? Carl, Lindsay, both sober next season? Oh, no. I don't. I literally went.

I feel like she was speaking like thinly veiled. Like I'm not going to not drink forever, aka come summertime cameras up. I will be cracking a lover boy. Don't you worry. Right. I feel like she's like, I feel like she's half telling the producers. She's like, oh, don't worry, guys. I'm not sober forever.

Right. Please still have me back. I promise I will create some sort of drama. And maybe they're going to buy a house together. That's a thing. They've been together for like maybe six months. Like, don't buy a house together. Yeah, it does seem very a little, a little hot and heavy for, I mean, I guess they've,

in the one hand, I get it. because they've known each other for many years and they had this like solid foundation of a friendship for many years. But just given the fact that like, I guess Carl and kind of Lindsay haven't really had a long term stable relationship in a while. And as long as we've seen them, it does seem a little quick to me as well. Yeah. Lindsay perhaps has had a long term relationship, but not a stable one. Right. Yeah. It just is one of those things where we've seen Kyle and Amanda, they were engaged for three years. They've gone through so many ups and downs.

And even them buying a house, I'm like, maybe, I guess. Yeah. I mean, I don't think you should do make any life, any decisions of that caliber until you've been together for like two years personally, because that's when you sort of like are out of your love bubble as, uh, yeah, Teresa likes to say. Yeah, two years honestly doesn't sound like that long to be like, okay, we can, because they don't, Lindsay and Carl don't even live together yet, like in an apartment. So it's like, okay, maybe like move in and then make sure it works and then and then look at real estate.

Like one step at a time. I guess they're both also older. So maybe that I bought as Lindsay like 36, 35. Lindsay turned, Lindsay turned 35 on last, on this season. So. Okay. So she's 35. Carl, I think is like a couple years older than her maybe.

Yeah. I wish she knew. Yeah. So I get they're kind of like, right. They're not moving at the pace of like, let's say Amanda when she met Kyle and I think her first season, she was 24. Now she's like 30. But it's a little, you know what I mean? Like they started, or at least Amanda started a lot younger, Kyle's still the oldest person in the house.

Yeah. Speaking of Kyle and Amanda, we get into their relationship a little bit. We unpack Sierra's comment on Watch What Happens Live that if she were Amanda, she would not have gone through with Mary and Kyle, which. I mean, look, she clearly doesn't want to be, she feels a little guilty, I think, about saying this, but she's like, well, I wasn't saying Amanda shouldn't have. I was just saying if I was in Amanda's, if it was me, I wouldn't have it. It's like, I mean, you said what you said. And I think there's grounds to say that. It's not like a shocking thing to say maybe they shouldn't have gotten married. Yeah, I don't think Kyle should be so offended at the idea that like, after watching that season, that someone could think it might be, you might have to think twice about it. I actually thought they went pretty light on the Amanda Kyle fighting thing. I feel like they spent like three minutes on that and it was over. I agree.

They didn't really, it seemed like they wanted, they talked about Sierra and Page's thoughts about or what they had said a little bit. And then they talked about Hannah last season saying she doesn't want to be yelled at like Kyle yells at Amanda. and this exchange was so funny to me how Kyle clearly was just like his only focus was on putting down Hannah and he didn't actually get to like what that comment means about how he speaks to Amanda. He's like, oh, well, Hannah deflects.

And Andy's like, well, you just deflected. Right. And then they kind of let it go. That was like sort of it. And then they made a joke about Kyle being married to his job. And then it's just weird to me just because they spent. there was that was such a major thing that I take away from the season is the ups and downs that they went through. And like, I would have loved an update on like, have they worked through. Like, what is their take on like what was happening in that moment? You know, how is their relationship changed post marriage? Like. Or like Kyle's. They said they said it was more relaxed because they weren't planning the wedding. But I just, I don't know, I would have liked more of an update there. Well, but thinking, I mean, so much of the season, they were fighting and Kyle would. drink just way too much. And Amanda would be upset about that. And earlier in the season,

there were a couple of instances where Kyle got totally wasted and just disappeared for the night or wouldn't come home. Like, we didn't really get any kind of unpacking of that or if that has happened recently. You know, those kind of things feel like those were major plot points. I feel like every week that we were talking about Summerhouse, I had to have a bullet point that was like, well, Kyle and Amanda fought again. And it didn't feel like that. was sort of proportional in the reunion, but they did talk about the pre-nup discussion, so they didn't end up getting a pre-up. And Amanda admits that she never really understood the full scope of what a pre-up is, I guess.

Like, she seems to have this, like, baseline understanding that it's like, the man keeps the money, and that's bad for me. And then she's like, oh, I didn't realize that it would protect me, like, if he was in debt, it's like, oh, my, Amanda. Yeah, it didn't make her look very bright, I would say. It was like a weird, and he was like, I kept telling you to Google it. It was like very, I thought it was a little bizarre and, again, made me think that that whole plot point was for the camera. Right.

It didn't make her look very bright. And then also, to me, if it was something that he wanted for the both of them, it's like, then why wouldn't you have made sure that she understood it? Like if you, if it was something that mattered to you for your relationship together, then you would have sat down and been like, this is why it makes sense for me. This is why it makes sense for you. This is why it makes sense for us. Not like, I want this. Stop being a bitch. Exactly. Yeah. Like my investors want this. Stop being. Like, do you know what I mean? He never really. My investors have said, this is what we should do. So why are you asking questions? It's like, no, like. Yeah. And it's also like if that was the, maybe if this was an important, a real important thing, wouldn't you have maybe like given her a draft to review? Yeah. I don't believe there was ever. There was never a document. There was never a word doc that was being typed in. That's what I'm saying. It was all hypothetical. Like if he really wanted it, I would imagine he could have gotten his legal team to draft something up and give it to her. And maybe she would understand it that way. Totally. Any final thoughts on Summerhouse before we pivot to Jersey? Great season. And I'm trying to think, yeah, I think we covered it all, right?

I think so. It was a good season. I'm always happy to watch Summer House. I'm like, they can go, they can come back. I'm excited for Southern Charm now. We finally got the trailer and Paige is in it a little bit. So I feel like it's almost like one long story that's just continuing to unfold at this point. Exactly. It feels like real life, like, and not like filming and not filming because it's so like, it keeps going. Is there going to be Winter House again? Yes, we saw that. Yes. There is Winter House again. Probably in the fall it's going to come out because that's what they did last year. But everybody, all the gangs, gangs all here, except for whoever doesn't get ass back. I don't know. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm. is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Let's talk Jersey. This reunion, part three. Before we get into it, I just want to note the fact that

poor Tracy was not shown one single time in this reunion. It is so funny to me that when Bravo released the photos of the reunion looks, they included Tracy. So we know officially that she was there. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah, there was like one, there was one screenshot I saw. I think Queens of Bravo posted it.

And it was like a picture from the reunion of everybody sitting in their chairs. And you could see Tracy was sitting in a chair on the edge. And I'm like, I don't know what segment that was if they cut it completely or if they just like edited around her. But you would not have known that she was in the building that day from watching. I had no idea personally. And I guess, I mean, I guess that means she won't be back. I like forgot about her when I was watching, I guess, because she wasn't there and because they didn't reference her. Well, I interviewed Melissa a few days ago.

She's on Monday's episode, if you haven't listened. But I asked her about Tracy kind of having trouble sort of getting a foot. hold in the group this season. And she was like, yeah, I felt bad, you know, because you bring your friend on the show. You want them to have a good season. But I hope we see more of her next season. I'm like, Melissa, I don't think, I don't think that's in the cards. I wouldn't say more. Yeah. It doesn't seem likely to me. If you can't get one millisecond of screen time at the reunion, it doesn't bode well for your future on the show. But to be fair, there's a lot going on at this reunion. And I feel like this is maybe one of the better three-part reunions we've had recently in

terms of I felt like there was solid content spread across the three parts. There wasn't an episode that felt like total filler at all. And I felt like, especially with the husbands on this episode, we had a lot to get to, a lot to unpack. Starting out, I want to talk about Jennifer and Bill. So Jennifer walks us through a little more detail about finding. out about this affair 10 years ago. And she says that after she found out, he was going, I think, to Miami for a trip. And she flew down there without telling him and, like, lied to the hotel to get a key to his room and was there when he got there. And that's what made him be like, oh, that's sexy that you snuck up on me in Miami. And then everything was good. And they never talked about it again

until Margaret had to run her mouth this season. And this story is just like, we are so different. Yeah. I mean, it checks, though, with kind of what she, the story she's been telling the whole time that she just decided that she was going to let it go and never speak about it again. Is that emotionally healthy? Clearly not. But in some ways, it kind of like, it was, and I think they both said this, it was like

almost good that it came out because they did probably work through it in a more authentic way, it seems like. I understood what Margaret meant when she said that she didn't necessarily realize it would be such an upsetting thing to have out there because Jennifer had never given any inclination that she and Bill were in a vulnerable position or had this thing hanging over them as a couple. I mean, was it messy still for her to bring it up? Of course, I'm never going to say Margaret isn't messy. but I understand why she would be like,

I didn't know you were going to be like fucking broken over this when you have said every day for the last three years how you have the perfect marriage. To her credit, I think Margaret did a good job of apologizing, you know, because like if I knew it had, if I knew it was going to hurt your family like this,

I wouldn't have done it. Totally. And then I mean, it was annoying when Jennifer replies to that with like, my family is perfect. It's like, that would have been a good opportunity for her to have been like, yeah,

I guess I had never fully dealt with instead of being like my family like don't double down on that. Like clearly your family is not perfect and that's okay. Right. She's like, I told you Bill was perfect every day for the last three years because he was, except for the time when he fucked the pharmaceutical rep for two months. But he is perfect. It's like. Other than that, totally perfect.

Right. Like she'll let herself be vulnerable for like a split second and then immediately it's back to being like on the defense, Jennifer. And it's like, oh, you would actually. gain, like people, I think would, people who aren't fans of Jennifer, I think would like her so much more if she just gave like 10% of, totally. Whatever. But it's like, that's just not in her DNA.

Because those are her best moments when you feel a cent, like when she was taught, when she and Margaret had that like lunch together and they were talking about it, like you get a, that's what makes a character likable. I think that like, maybe that gets lost in the mix or they think they always have to be right to be likable. and what makes them likable is like a little vulnerability and a little like sensitivity. Well, and we saw later in the episode when Bill was out there, Bill and Margaret were kind of going back and forth a little bit. And I thought in a productive way.

And then Jennifer's like, and when you said that about my kids and Margaret is just like, Jennifer, we literally just did this. We discussed this so many times. We've been around and around. I apologize. You accepted. Jennifer just doesn't have that mental. thing where it's like, you can check this off the list. You don't have to be mad.

You don't have to bring it up again just because it, the opportunity presents itself. They already were through it several times. It's just like, and she's like Teresa in that way. They can't really let go of things. There's a lot of that at this reunion, mostly between Margaret and then either Teresa or Jennifer, because Teresa clearly is not, whether or not you think Teresa is right about any of this stuff or not. Teresa is not in a position where she will allow herself to just like let it go at all.

Totally. And so it's like every time Margaret's referenced or Louis referenced or anything, she will take 100% of the shots and direct them back in Margaret's direction. And it's, I mean, clearly it's exhausting for Andy who loses his shit. Maybe the most we've seen him kind of get really annoyed at a reunion. I'm sure after hours, I mean, they show them like yelling for like 30 seconds, but I'm sure it was like many minutes of them just screaming and no one could hear anything. I had to guess. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Sprite Berry Blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew?

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Yeah. So when the husbands come out, obviously a lot of them have stuff to talk about, but I want to talk about everything that Louis was kind of addressing on this reunion because I was pretty impressed with the energy Louis brought to this reunion. I still don't necessarily think he's like the perfect dream. best guy in the world, like Teresa wants us to believe. But I felt like he came to this reunion, knowing that he needed to address some of this

stuff. And in a pretty, he seemed to do it in a way that was like, okay, this is kind of what we wanted all season. And the vibe that we get from this reunion is that he was always kind of willing. And Teresa really does not want him to be giving anything away. And it's like, I just don't know why she thinks that's the best route at this point. Because it's like, Louis gives this succinct explanation of the video. And Margaret, Joe, everybody on the couch seems to agree.

Like, if we had gotten that explanation six months ago when we were filming, this wouldn't have been this whole big storyline. Like, the explanation that he gives, more or less checks out. Makes sense. Yeah. It's so interesting to have, I have like very mixed feelings about Louis in general, but I think he came off very well on this reunion. And I mean, in some senses, you're like, okay, he seems like a really reasonable guy. I mean, on the other hand, in the back of my head, I'm always thinking about all those accusations and like from all the different people and he calls the ex is kind of crazy, which I think is a red flag. But just seeing him on this reunion, I have like, you know what I mean? It gives you a sense of he doesn't seem like very, he doesn't seem black or white, like totally good or totally bad to me. But he does seem. like a super reasonable guy, which is why the Teresa, it doesn't really, I don't really understand like the match in some ways, because she can't give at all. And you can tell when he, when he and

Margaret Hug, she wants to like jump out of her skin. She is so, so angry. And you could tell she's like kind of angry at him too, even though she wouldn't say. Right. Their energy with each other in those last moments where the husbands are out on the stage, it is really uncomfortable. because you can tell that she is angry at him for sort of playing along with the rest of the people on the stage. He's answering Andy's questions. He's telling Margaret that he... Forgives her, basically. He's not mad.

He's telling, right. He's like everything that Margaret is saying makes sense. I understand it. I'm not mad. That kind of thing. And he is, you know, he's hugging Joe B and like doesn't seem that mad at Joe Gorga. And it's like he's doing all the things that Teresa is. has been unwilling to do this season, this reunion.

And it's like, I get why she's annoyed at him, but also look at the way it's being received. Everybody is like, oh, look, Louis, Louis so reasonable. Louis seems like a guy that is, like, trying his best to make people understand. Whereas Teresa, it's like the opposite. It's like, what is the goal here? What are you trying to do? it feels like I wish Teresa could just like watch, you know, leave herself and like watch what's happening for 10 minutes and be like, oh, maybe if I just like stopped for a second, this would go better for me. Totally. And to me, it also says that her anger at Margaret is not about defending Louis or feeling bad for Louis or feeling like he's being. It's really about her own shit with Margaret because like Andy said like, Louis's fine.

Like he is not, he's not, he doesn't feel like a victim or he doesn't feel like so angry and enraged. Her anger about this is really more about being right to me than it is about any sort of like real. It's not really based in any real substance. Right. And I think, you know, because you want to feel, I think for a lot of the season, we didn't hear that much from Louis. So it was easy to kind of watch Teresa's behavior and be like, oh, maybe this is kind of what Louis is. telling her to do or is kind of like fueling this angry energy. And, you know, when he, when he first comes out on the stage for the reunion and he's asking him how the season went and he's like,

yeah, you know, it was rough. I felt judged. Like, I definitely, you know, he wasn't necessarily happy about the way he was talked about or portrayed on the season. But he seems perfectly willing to sit down and work through that versus Teresa is not. Yeah. I predict they got into a huge fight over that because you know Teresa's number one thing is like loyalty and like defending her and defending her back. And the fact that he was like nice to Margaret or that he was like not mad at her or not like just blindly seething in the way that she was, I think to me spoke of a little trouble in

paradise. And I know that that's not, she's not okay with like agreeing to disagree when it comes to loyalty. Right. And when he's telling her at the very end, when he's kind of like whispering to her, he's like, if you love me, calm down, you know, you're going to regret the way you're behaving right now. Like that's, to me, like the way he's saying that stuff is like a little bit cringe, but I also don't disagree because it's like Teresa is being so unreasonable. And I agree. I think likely that was a big, maybe they had their first fight according to Oh wow. Young love.

Middle age love. Yeah. I want to talk about the dynamic between Frank and Dolores also because So we know that Frank is living with David and David is dating one of Louis X's but Andy asks Frank what he thinks about Dolores's new man, Polly. And he is not the biggest fan. First of all, he says he looks like Buzz Light Ear, which I was laughing at that because to me, that's like a very neutral statement. I'm like, I don't think Buzz Light Ear is like so hot.

Like kind of just like a like a bald, like bald dude with a spacesuit on. I don't know. I mean, they're making a new, they're making a movie about Buzz Lightier and Chris Evans is doing his voice. Like it can't be that bad. Right. You know, you can tell it wasn't man as a compliment though. It's kind of. Right.

And Dolores. immediately like whips her head around and is like immediately not having it. And then kind of everything that Frank says about Polly is first of all not that flattering and is really getting Dolores pretty upset. He's saying that he, you know, Polly doesn't understand the relationship that he and Dolores have, which Andy points out is like kind of understandable. Yeah. But Frank says that he. He lives with David. Right. I love that. And he's like, well, I mean, you.

You can't live with all her exes. Like, maybe. Oh, my God. Makes sense that you wouldn't be literally, like, it's like he's David's new boyfriend. It's absurd. But Frank, basically, the vibe Frank is giving off is that he's basically like, it almost feels like he thinks he's like Dolores's dad. That he's like, you know, well, I invited him out to dinner and that didn't happen.

So he, it's like, the way Frank sees it is almost like whoever Dolores is dating has like a responsibility to respect him. And I get it. also it's like, yeah, like her new boyfriend doesn't have to want to hang out with you. Honestly, I like Frank just like as a character. But the more I learn about like the way that he was as her husband as like a family guy, the more I'm kind of grossed out by him. The fact that she was like, I mean, she, when you see Dolores talking with the different

soon Bill and Frank and she was like, I just like if I said, if you call her now, like we can work it out and he like wouldn't do that. the fact that he was just like cheating on her while she was pregnant the entire time doesn't really ever show any remorse about that, about the way that he treated her when they were actually married. And the fact that she's so cool with like, I get so mad on Dolores's behalf because she doesn't get mad at anyone. But with Teresa not inviting her to her engagement party and with Frank their whole history, like the fact that Frank's going to now live with her ex, there just seems like he doesn't, he expects a lot of respect from her and doesn't, historically,

it doesn't seem from everything I've heard that he's given her a lot of respect. Yeah, he really, when they first kind of start talking about the whole living arrangement and all of this and him living with his kids for the first time, and he's like making a joke about staying up at night and changing diapers and stuff. And Andy's like, Dolores, he never did any of that, right? And she's like, no, of course not. And it, yeah, it kind of feels like he, because he and Dolores have this close relationship now, he feels like he has the freedom to kind of make light of all this stuff that's happened in the past. And I don't, obviously, I'm not inside Dolores's head, but I have to imagine that she has feelings about that. And we see that kind of come out

sometimes that it's like, yeah, like, we get along now and we have this close relationship. But like, you were a shitty husband and a pretty absent father. And I do think he like, he doesn't seem to necessarily fully accept the weight of those things. That it's not just like some casual thing that you never lived with your kids. It's like, no, you like weren't around as their dad. Totally. And I think he wants like all of the perks of having like been a husband to her for 30 years and a great father. Like, oh, you know what I mean?

There's automatic closeness and he has a say about who she's. dating. It's like, who are you? You're the guy who like didn't help her raise her kids. You're the guy who cheated on her multiple times throughout their marriage. And like, you think that you should have a say and who she's dating now? Like, who are you? Right. Like, maybe Polly should show Frank some like basic human respect because everybody deserves that, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, he doesn't have to want to hang out with you and, you know, uphold you as this like central figure in Dolores's life when objectively he probably thinks it's like pretty fucking weird that he has to like bow down to your ex-husband who treated you like shit 30 years ago.

Right. Who somehow you were living with. And now you live with her other ex. So very weird situation. I need to be in the Katania family like group therapy because I would love to hear how that goes. Yeah. Sadly, I don't know that the Katania family group therapy is happening and that might be part of the problem.

Very, very, very, very, bare. I just want to, before we finish up, I feel like it has to come back to this Teresa and Margaret thing. And Andy brings up the Nashville fight again and asks if Teresa wants to apologize. And she's like, I already did. And it's like, oh, my God. Kind of. Yeah.

I mean, arguing with Teresa is like banging your head against a wall. She's just like, there's not, there's very rarely any, anything that comes from that. Yeah. And I think it really, it feels like we've left this reunion. It's like there's been some important developments where I think it's like, it is important that Melissa has kind of like released herself from this obligation to try with Teresa. And I think the Dolores and Jennifer, whatever shift has happened in their relationship, is interesting.

But this Teresa and Margaret thing just feels like, I just like, where, like, what are we going to do? where are we going to go? Like it's so, it's just hard to, it's hard to watch Teresa just over and over and over again, not be willing to consider or even like sit through listening to anything that Margaret has to say. And I think going into next season, it's like,

what's going to happen here? What are we going to do? How's this going to work? Because we don't want to see that again all over again, although this cast is so good. But yeah, I do wonder how they're going to play. I wish Teresa had just been like, okay, in hindsight, yeah, maybe it felt to me that Margaret,

if she had just said logically, which this would have made sense to me, it felt to me that Margaret was trying to sort of instigate or start things when she would bring up the Louis thing. It didn't feel like it was meant in the way that she said it was meant, which was to clear the air and so that it would be, so it was a gift for him to be able to explain. Because I could see why someone would say it didn't, your intentions didn't feel that way. But she didn't say it like that. Calling Margaret on her shit is perfectly acceptable. But I think it's more that it's like, we've been through 16 episodes of this season and not once has Teresa been willing to give an inch to anything that Margaret is saying. And I think when I talk about

going into next season, it's like, I don't need or really want them to like drop their feelings and be like besties all of a sudden. Like that's definitely not something that anyone It's like asking for, but it's like when two people don't get along in a housewives cast, it's like I prefer when they can be at a point where it's more of like a give and take or like ebbs and flows versus like Teresa right now at this reunion certainly. She's not willing to kind of just like sit back and let it let the waves roll over until the next thing kind of pops up. Like I think an example of kind of what I'm thinking about is like, Giselle and Karen on particular. It's like they clash in there at odds and they'll have these like kind of like over the top arguments with each other. But at the end of the day, you still feel like there's this kind of like

mutual respect for each other. And also when things are better, they can enjoy each other's company. And I just wish that Teresa would kind of allow that vibe to happen with Margaret a little bit more. Maybe Louis will work on her before next season and she'll come somewhere. I mean, it didn't seem like that from now, but maybe, you know, he does, again, he seems like a guy who's very into, like, being emotionally stable. I don't know if it's true, because you hear a lot of stuff that sort of refutes that. But when you see him on screen, he does seem, again, like a reasonable guy who might be able to have some influence on her. Yeah. And, I mean, according to Andy, he's an expert communicator, which I'm kind of like, okay, maybe.

We'll see. Maybe, I guess. But yeah, I mean, that's a good point, though, that if Teresa is like so in love with and obsessed with Louis, it would seem feasible that at some point maybe his kind of rational perspective might rub off on her. Don't hold me to that because that might be a losing bet. But, you know, perhaps. That would be interesting. I would like to see that. I'm very excited for next season already. I miss the season already. I can't believe it's over. I know. And Melissa, in our interview, Melissa, basically confirmed that they're going to start filming any day now. So amazing. And she confirmed that she loves the Bravo by Betches account, which you run, which, you know, I was excited for you for Betches and, you know, continue killing that because you're so good at it. It's my favorite account as well. It has been truly a pleasure to have you join me on so many of these Wednesday episodes. And of course, you have an open invitation

to come back anytime in the future. Maybe a, maybe a Beaveral, Hurley Hills pop in one of these days. Yeah, I think that would be a lot to unpack there. It seems like it from episode one. But anyway, thank you for having me. And yeah, I hope I'm back soon. Of course, it's been a pleasure. And thank you so much, everyone for listening.

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