Mention It All - Angel Massie Says Gizelle Bryant Tried to Embarrass Her on RHOP Ft. Angel Massie

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

On this week’s video episode, Dylan sits down with Angel Massey from The Real Housewives of Potomac for a very real conversation about her rookie season. Angel explains what you did not see on the Nevis trip, including the truth behind that infamous photo at dinner, why being called a catfish hit differently when she was away from her kids and still breastfeeding, and how hard it was to process a table full of women coming for her who she was trying to build friendships with. She breaks down the difference between the supportive WAG sisterhood and the Potomac Housewives, where you can be bonding one day and on the chopping block the next, plus where she really stands with Gizelle and Wendy today. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Exclusions apply for licenses, see Home Depot.com slash license numbers. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am thrilled to be here today with one of our newest Potomac Housewives. She is definitely making a splash so far this season. So I'm excited to chat with her. Angel Massey, welcome. Thank you so much for having me done. How are you doing?

We're like a handful of episodes into your first season. Yeah, you're in the deep end. I sure am in the deep end. But you know what? This angel, this present moment angel, life is great. Life is great. Yeah. I know you've been spending some time in Colorado.

Obviously, you guys still have your house there. Yes. What has it been like kind of these last few months of, you know, you filmed the first season, all of that was done and just kind of waiting for it to come out and now it is? How has it been experiencing it in real time? It's been, well, when we rap shooting, I really just needed the time to decompress with my family. A lot of people don't know this because I don't think that I mentioned it in the show. but Bobby and I have been looking for Maryland House since 2024. So we were there before filming started,

but we've been going back and forth, looking at these homes, finding a home, being heartbroken, seeing a home, then it's not the same in person. So we've just really had this dance between Maryland and Colorado for a while now, but it was just kind of nice to decompress after we stopped filming and, you know,

be back in Colorado for a little bit to kind of get away from everything. But now it's like I'm reliving it again. Oh, joy. Every Sunday night. Every Sunday night. Oh, joy. What has it been like for you, the experience of watching the episodes the first time that you're really like seeing yourself on this platform, has it been fun for

you to watch? Has it been a little bit like watching through your fingers and you're like, what's going to happen? I'm a girlie who has really bad secondhand embarrassment. Anytime I like hear myself or see myself on the screen, which is interesting that I would choose to do this. So I have been watching it and it's really strange because the me here and the me on the screen, it's kind of like I'm watching someone else. It's really interesting. It's kind of like a little bit of cognitive dissonance because for instance, like, I know that I am a cheerful, bubbly person, but I'm not necessarily cheerfully and bubbly on the season.

You know what I mean? So I'm just like, you know, where's the joyful girl? But it's also been fun and interesting to see how people receive me. I haven't been on a show like this, but I've talked to so many people who have been through it. And you kind of, especially in your first season, you can go in with an. intention or maybe an idea of what you want to bring to the show, but you can't control what comes on the other end. And so I think if you're having those moments where maybe you're going through something

tough, maybe you're having an issue with somebody that you didn't expect to have an issue with, like, those moments are real. And if you were trying too hard to kind of be like, no, I'm, I'm fun and bubbly. Yeah. That would feel weird, too. Yeah. And these women, they are vets. They are professionals at this.

And I think that they're also professionals at shutting off their, maybe not their emotions, but the amount of care that they give towards what's happening to them when we're together. But for me, like, I'm a Pisci Scorpio Gemini. And so I am feeling everything and I am reacting to it like a real person, you know. Yeah. So I think that I came into the season with intention to bring the group together, to be Zen, to give these ladies a safe space if they wanted to talk to me, but you know,

the best laid plans. You really tried with the Zen, with the sound bowl. I did, but you know, Giselle is saying, I don't like Zen, I like a mess, you know? So, I mean, hey, I did the best I could. You know, we had Zen Wen a couple seasons ago. I don't know how that's working.

Yeah, I mean, clearly, I don't know. She still calls herself that, so hey. You know, you got to stay the course. Yeah, yeah. I am very interested, though, because we've had you know, we've had wags on housewives before, but I think hearing you talk about it, you know, your husband, a 10-year starter. Yeah.

He played for a few different teams during his time in the NFL. And you've talked about kind of being in that like NFL, like NFL wife community. And really it is this like sisterhood group that you contribute to and really like build. Yeah. And I think for a lot of women when they join housewives for the first time, it might be the first. time that they're really in a group of women that's that prominent in their lives. You know, people are like, oh, I'm, I've just been at home with my husband and the kids. Yeah.

I've never been on a girl's trip. I've never, I've never gone to dinner with the ladies. Yeah. And I think for you, there must be similarities that you feel in some ways of your NFL experience and then housewives. No, it's night and day. No, night and day. Okay.

Talk about it. With the wags, we all have the intention of making sure that we are all. all uplifted, that we all look the best, that we are not embarrassing each other. It is a real sisterhood in that way. And not to say that this is not a real sisterhood, because you can see that there are real relationships within the group. But I think that the difference is that there is this sense of digging into who you are without actually asking. And so I think that that is the, maybe the nature of this sisterhood versus a wag type of sisterhood. You know what I mean?

So it's different. It's a little bit more, you just got to be ready. It is interesting, though, because if your man gets traded, you're in a new city, you're joining a new group. You are. And I think maybe with joining house, I was like, that's one thing where it's like having to figure out where you fit into like a new community kind of. Absolutely.

That is a similarity. and just trying to find your way and trying to represent yourself in the best way. Represent yourself and your family in the best way possible, but still make friendships and allow yourself to be vulnerable. I know that one thing

at the Truth and Tranquility event, I told ladies that losing my mom was like a real turning point for me in my life and it really changed me. You know, the angel who was in the DMV before, she would like pop all. she would right away have something to say. But I think that meditation and mindfulness really helped me to heal the grief from losing my mom.

She was my best friend. And so it changed my level of reactivity to things because, you know, that every, no one wants to lose their mother. That's the worst thing possible for some people that could ever happen to them in their life. And so once the worst thing possible happens to you in your life, you're like, okay, everything else is a cakewalk. So, but then, you know, I'm, I guess I'm. kind of resharpening my tools because you got to bring it, you know? Well, that's the thing is you can come in with the intention. Yeah.

But if somebody's coming at you, you can't just roll over. No, you can't. And I'm wondering for you, like, we're watching this first half of the season, let's say, what was it like when you were sort of just getting used to being around the cameras, to going through these filming events? And then maybe there was more coming your direction than you anticipated. Well, I was a red carpet host and a TV producer in another life, I guess you could say. And so I really thought that I was prepared for what it would feel like to have these cameras. But it's a little different because I am a slow burner. I'm a person who processes things emotionally, like after events happen. And you really can't be like that in this arena. Like you got to get it going right then and there. You have to hurry up and process. And so I think that. that I wasn't nervous, but I was hesitant to, like, show out a little bit.

Right. Because I just wanted, I just kept thinking about my family and representing them well and representing the legacy of my family that's not the Massey's. You know what I mean? And so I think that I get more comfortable, like, as the season goes on. But you see me trying to figure out, like, what's real and was not. Like you see me in real time processing And so it can appear that I'm like

Oh, I'm just not going to say anything But really it's me like, I'm like Damn, what the is happening here? You know? So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now And up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love

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I had just given her a present. And I said, thank you for inviting me. You know, here's this small gift as a token of my appreciation. I appreciate you. And then five minutes later we get to the dinner table. And she's saying that my photos are, I look different online. And let's be clear, the photo that is referenced in the episode is not the photo we're discussing at the table. Okay.

So you see me doubling down that this photo has not been edited, but the photo that everyone sees does have a filter on it. I'm not a liar. You know what I mean? So I'm not going to slap a filter on a photo and say, no. it's not. I'm not stupid. People can see that it has a filter. And mind you, in that picture that you see with my braids, I'm eight months pregnant. And so I was looking rough like a lot of ladies in the last. You're like, look, we're hanging on my thread here. We're hanging on, you know? But what we were discussing at the table was not the photo that you guys see. And what we were

discussing at the table, the photo was a photo of me and my daughter that a professional photographer took of me. And so I'm taking them back. And you. And you're taking them back. And you, And you also see me on this trip kind of trying to regulate my emotions because I'm missing my kids. Yes. And so I think that's kind of after the dinner, you know, there was like the Wendy birthday thing where you had like, you kind of turned it around and had a little bit of a lighter moment. I wasn't having fun. You weren't having fun. No. But I wasn't.

I think you put on a good front a little bit. Yeah. I just think that people don't know me. And so like my sister was watching it and she was like, no, I could totally tell you were pissed. Right. You know, so I was trying to be a good sport, but at the same time, let them know, look, I'm not a shrinking violent. I'm not running away from these experiences because they're hard. And at the same time, I wanted to celebrate Wendy because I want to have a relationship with these ladies.

Like, I'll take it back to Preakness really quick. The reason I got so mad at Wendy at the table was because the day before I was at her house with my kids and my husband. I had driven two hours to come see her to meet her love. children, to me, Eddie, we had a great time. We were bonding, talking about meditation and journaling, which she does too. She's like, I'm going to have your back on this trip because I know what it's like to be without my kids. And then the very next day, she's calling me out at the table. And so that's why you see me reacting in this way and getting so upset because I'm like, dang, we were just bonding here. And like, if you really felt concerned, why didn't you just pull me aside?

You know? And so it's just like this back and forth of me trying to figure out where I stand with this group. Yeah. And mind you, I mean, don't. Imagine that you have met a group of folks just a month before and then you are traveling with them internationally. Yeah. You don't know them still. I think that's something that I've heard a lot of people talk about is especially when you get on these trips. Yeah. It is such a high pressure kind of experience where then the next.

morning, Giselle's knock, knock, knock on the door. Yeah. I'm sorry, can I have a hug? Yeah. And for you, like, what you've been saying is that, like, you normally are somebody who works through your feelings about stuff at a little bit of a slower pace. And it's like, I'm not ready for the hug. Because I'm still processing last night.

I was still a little bit mad at her and I don't want to be fake. You know, you see me tearful on that, uh, during that discussion. And it's not because I'm sad or embarrassed by. her is because I invoke my daughter and I tell her like, you know, you wouldn't want your daughter's treated like this and I wouldn't want my daughter treated like this. And so just thinking about my baby, it made me tear up because I'm like, damn, like I left my kids to be slayed over and over and over again. So can you walk me through? Because you were moving back to Maryland and you had your daughter. How old was your daughter when you started filming for the season? 18 months.

I think people also don't necessarily think about that it's like that's such a, such a like sensitive time in your life too. It is. And so my daughter was 18 months when we started filming the show. And when I got pregnant with my daughter, my son was 18 months. And so I'm a lady who is in her mid 30s having two kids back to back and really just being in this place of heightened emotions from being postpartum and just really being so connected with my kids because, you know, I'm still breastfeeding. And what we didn't get to

see is that I'm pumping throughout the trip. I'm pumping in the morning. After every event, I'm pumping. I'm pumping in the midday. If we're going to dinner, I'm pumping before we're going to dinner. I'm excusing myself so that I can go pump. You know what I mean? I'm a overproducer. You're not going back to the room to just like chill for an hour. No, like everybody else. And so I'm constantly thinking of my kids because I'm pumping milk. And then, someone's calling me a catfish on a picture of me and my daughter. It's just a lot, you know, and it's not that I am not fierce and I can't take it. It's just, you know, give me a chance.

Who would want to go on a trip that was supposed to be fun and then get the Spanish Inquisition at the damn table? Who wants that? You want to have fun. You want to turn up. You want to take shots. You know what I mean? Right.

And also, I do think there was an element of like it wasn't, they weren't bringing up something that you did to hurt them or that you. you know, that you made up some story about somebody else. It's like they were talking about a picture that you posted. Yeah, who cares? There's that other layer to it that it's like, so it feels petty in that way. It was very petty because it has nothing to do with my character. It has nothing to do with Nevis.

It has nothing to do with what's happening at the time. It's just designed to embarrass me. And I also, watching it back, it's crazy because here I'm thinking that I'm cool with so many of these ladies just to see them talking about me behind my back. And so it's making more sense why I'm getting the energy from them now watching it. But back then I was just confused. You know, like I made up with me and Wendy made up after Preakness. We talked to each other about what happened at the table. And then when I arrive at the airport, she doesn't say anything to me.

So you see me and Nevis say, damn, like, I don't feel welcome. It wasn't about not getting a robe with my name on it or not getting a towel of my name on it. It was about the fact that I felt crazy. Because there was no acknowledgement. And this is the very first time I'm leaving my kids ever in life. You know? And so it just didn't feel good, you know? And all this discussion of how much my energy changes.

Well, the truth is I keep the energy that's right for me in that moment. And it doesn't need to make sense for anyone else because it's not happening to them. I want to talk a little bit about your dynamic with Kearnah. Yes. Because that's been interesting to kind of. see developing, changing maybe a little bit over the course of the season so far. Coming into filming, where did you feel like you guys stood? And what were you kind of expecting from her as somebody who's been on the show already

that you have this relationship with versus maybe how it played out? Well, Kiyana and I have a great relationship, first of all, present day. And when I came into filming, we had a great relationship then. I mean, this is a long friendship. I know we are always like 20 years, 20 years. years, but like in that span of time, we've only had one fight. And so that's a pretty good record for a friendship. You know, we understand each other. And so I think that I expected the cadence of the friendship, if you will, to match what I've experienced with her in the past. And we are in a friend

group together outside of this friend group, too. So it's never been something that I felt like I need to worry. about. But, you know, of course, I will admit, like, seeing the scene with Giselle and her talking about me, it was really hurtful. And of course, I didn't know how it went down until after the season aired, you know? And so it was hard. I mean, and we've had those hard discussions, you know, and you see me react at the store that way because I'm like, damn, this is my real, real friend. And so, of course, I'm going to believe her. And so, of course, I'm going to believe her before anybody else. I don't know these ladies just yet. And so like you see me react that way because I'm like, okay, well, I'm out here looking a little stupid, you know. And it's hard

to navigate a real, real friendship on the show. Yeah. I think that's, that's such a interesting kind of dynamic because of course there's that outer layer of like, we go back a long way. We have this history. But when you're on, you know, the show and there's, you know, you're doing your confessional interviews and you're filming scenes with other people. Like it's it's a, it's a format where you are, you're supposed to talk about things. You're supposed to have opinions on things.

And it's, I think that puts kind of a normal friendship outside the show under a different kind of pressure. Yeah, and pressure. You're right. And I, I came into the season thinking that I was going to hold her down no matter what. Because a part of my introduction to Potomac was really,

watching it because I wanted to see what was happening with her before I was on the show. Oh, yeah, yeah. And seeing, like, the challenges in different relationships with people and seeing her being victimized in that way in past seasons. And so I wanted to come on and hold her down, if you will, because I didn't see that before for her. And I think that it's a part of my, like, altruistic Pisces nature that sometimes I think about people that I care about before I think about myself, which can,

sometimes be a mistake, you know? Yeah, that's a good point. I think, like, being in a high pressure environment like this, it's like you have to, you really have to balance that, like, what is, what does Angel need versus, like, what, how am I interacting with everyone else? Yeah. Whether it's somebody I love and hold dear or whether it's somebody that I need to keep at arm's length.

Like, that's a lot of, it's a lot of things to juggle. It is. And I was balancing like, damn, I'm not going to throw this 20-year friendship down the toilet because these things are happening, but damn, these things are happening. You know what I mean? And I think it's, I think it's like important to to have that perspective where it's like, we can have a disagreement about something. And that doesn't outweigh all the other, all the history that we have or all the love that we have for each other. And like, like you said, like our relationship is good present day. Like we can, we can figure it out. Yeah. I love Kearnah at the end of the day. Like,

that is my friend. Um, not only was, not only were, are we friends? but she also like did my mom's hair before. You know what I mean? And so it's like it's different. But she knows parts of you that these women will never get to know just because it's in the past. And so it may be easy for them to throw their friends under the bus to people that they don't know, but it's not easy for me to do that. And like I said, I'm a girl's girl.

And so do we have to have hard discussions about how she showed up where I'm concerned? Of course. Because just like everybody else, that seems. at the table, when I was there, didn't feel like that. It didn't feel like she was being mean, if you will. But watching it back, I'm like, damn, is that how it went down? You know what I mean? And so I think that as a protection mechanism, sometimes you check out of things in high-stress situations. And I've never had a group of women at a table just coming from me, ping, ping, ping, ping, everybody. Because normally women just have a little more a grace with them when stuff

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How much did you take opinions or things that you had heard or been told about the other women in the group versus I'm going to go in and get to know everybody and form my own opinions? I definitely went in with a clean slate for everybody where I'm concerned. Because just because she's having a problem with someone doesn't mean that I'm going to have a problem with them. you see in the first scene where we're hiking down the C&O Canal and I say just talk to Wendy, just have a conversation with her. You know, maybe it's a misunderstanding. And then I go to Wendy's house with my husband, a two-hour drive because she lives in the boonies, my one-year-old at the time, who is just suffering in the back seat, like, can we get out of here?

And I take that hike to get to know her because I want to get to know her. I bring Jezelle a host gift because I want to get to know her. You know, I made overtures to get to know these ladies outside of my relationship with Kay, but it seemed like they wanted to make us the bopsy twins always. I'm an individual. I'm a grown-ass woman. I'm a CEO of my business. I'm a co-CEO of my family.

I've always been this way. People who know me know that I'm an independent thinker. And that's why you see in that scene where I'm like, well, damn, how do you know that her kid wasn't sick, you know, and I supposedly get chin check for that. I don't consider her, what she said as a chin check. I mean, it was, it was jarring. And some people might not consider saying chin check and a big deal. But for me, I just don't use that type of language with my friends. So I definitely was coming in giving these ladies a chance. And let me be clear, Kay did not have a lot of bad things to say about anybody. She just didn't.

Yeah. I am so curious what was your initial read on Stacey? Because Stacey is somebody who she has made a big impression. I love Stacey. She's like kind of a fascinating person to watch. Yeah. But there was so much with the end of last season. Yeah.

Her people just thinking she's lying about stuff. And I'm wondering for you coming in fresh this year, maybe having a little bit less of a, you know, thing in the back of your head, though, like about her relationships. I understand Stacey because she. comes from like that TV journalism world. And so I understand how she presents. I know people like Stacey. Yeah, those QVC clips that I've been going around with her. Right. I know people like her. So it tracks. And then at the Bloomball, we don't see it, but I pull Stacey aside when all the women are attacking her. And I'm like, damn, I just, I just want to get to know you to the side. I just want to get to know you. And so I didn't have a bad impression of Stacey. I also always said that I don't

think that she has to present her divorce papers to these ladies because she doesn't owe them anything. You know what I mean? And if she wants to lie about her personal life, let her lie. Let her lie. People need to have the same level of accountability for themselves because there is also someone who lied a lot about their divorce. But then they're asking Stacey about her paper. So it's like, okay, like practice what you preach. Yeah, I think we had like three seasons of this show of the Darby divorce. So it's just like, damn, why do you want to see her divorce paper so bad?

It's giving like, who cares? Well, and then also, it was funny the way it worked out that by the time we were having the divorce paper conversation, she's like getting back with that. Getting back. And that's what happens. Her and her man had been together for 15 years. Like they were divorcing.

She started dating. It's very normal. You know, whether she paid him or not, whatever. You know, she was dating someone and then they tried to get back together for the sake of their family. Why can't that be a positive storyline instead of bitch you lie? You know what I mean? I'm enjoying watching it, whatever the truth is. Yeah. She's fun. She's funny. She's lighthearted. I think that she's great for Potomac. Yeah. It's your first season. It's rolling out as we speak. I know it's a week to week roller coaster watching it. Yes, it is. How are you feeling about the season as a

whole and what's to come and just like, you know, you have a whole life outside of this show. What's, what are you looking forward to kind of for these next few months? I will say there are a lot of twists and turns. A lot of reaches where I'm concerned. It's been a season of reaches. But there are some bonding moments between us. And you have to remember, like, we are together not that long of the time. And of course, some of us have relationships with each other outside of the group.

But in my life, my life is going great. You know, my business, Wanderland Outdoors is doing well. I am opening or starting a nonprofit called Deeply Sown Collective to provide people seeds, soil, and instructions on how to grow their own gardens and their homes. I am, along with my husband, been opening Wanderland Atlantic in Maryland in 2016. So, you know, we're rocking and rolling in my personal life. My kids are two and four now. Still breastfeeding.

Still pumping. The two-year-old. And I mean, life is good. It's such a dichotomy because you see all this drama with this group of ladies. But then my home life is so mellow. Like, I'm busy all week and then I got to see what these girls are saying about me on Sunday night. Oh, man. Sometimes, like, I have to like watch. it like this. Like, what are they going to say about me now?

You got to make your little to do list at the reunion. Exactly. Things to bring up. But there's also like a level of not caring about people's opinion of me because I didn't come on this show to wonder about people's opinion of me. You know, every hot girl's been talked about before, you know? So it's not my first rodeo with my name in people's mouth. It's just a little bit of a different scale.

Yeah, you got to keep that balance where it's like, I want to be aware of what people are saying, but I'm not going to base my whole. No, because I see them tearing me up in the comments, and that's okay. At the end of the day, they haven't gotten the privilege of really getting to know me so much. So let them, as Mel, not Mel Brown, as Mel Robbins would say, I'm mixing Brunee Brown and Mel Robbins together. We got to get the wisdom. Yeah, let them.

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