Mention It All - Another Bermudiful Day… Or Not (RHOSLC)

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Before heading home for the holidays, Dylan couldn’t resist recapping RHOSLC, and somehow, the season finale is almost upon us. But first, it’s another hectic week in Bermuda, with Monica and Meredith sharing their very different version of events re: Angie’s Greek Mafia rumors. After analyzing Monica’s questionable read on her position in the group, Dylan digs into Whitney’s blowup over Heather’s book, and finishes things off with a dramatic reading of the infamous boudoir photoshoot section of Bad Mormon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents Ha ha, laugh, funny Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentionerall podcast.

I'm Dylan Hafer. Happy Wednesday. We are really just barreling towards the end of the year here. It's crazy. I'm actually recording this on Tuesday evening, a little switch up from the usual. mention it all after dark, if you will. I am headed home for the holidays tomorrow,

but I wanted to make sure to recap another explosive episode of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City before I go. But not to worry, I will be taking the next week off, but we have some exciting episodes in the can already. Thursday's episode, I talked to Dr. Wendy about this season of Real Housewives of Potomac. We're not getting new episodes of Potomac until after the new year. I think January, eighth, ninth, whatever that Sunday is. So a couple weeks off there, but some good content with Dr. Wendy. And then I had the chance to talk today to Ms. Kelly Collorin Ben-Simone, Real Housewives of New York legend. She's been on the podcast before, but of course now she is on Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip. So it was fun to get to talk to her about a current show that she's on,

something that we haven't had in 12-ish years. Kelly is one of those people where when she's talking to you, any sort of questions or, you know, skepticism that you have watching her on TV, sort of just melts away. She has this specific type of charm that is sort of disarming and you kind of find yourself wrapped up in it. There are certain housewives that are just like that. Like they sort of have.

they sort of have this way of making you buy whatever they're selling. And I think sometimes on TV that doesn't quite come across. So I had a great conversation with Kelly. I always enjoy catching up with her. But boy, does she just make me laugh? And I hope that conversation will too. So that'll be coming out next week. And then I'll be back next Thursday with sort of a year-end wrap up as well as, you know, whatever recaps. I'm not sure what shows we're getting episodes of next week. We're in this kind of weird in-between phase. Like I said, Potomac is taking a couple weeks off. It turns out next episode of Salt Lake City is the season finale.

The whole preview for the season finale takes place in Bermuda. So I'm a little confused there. Like obviously things are leading up to this phone call and Heather getting information and XYZ. And it seems pretty clear at this point that it's about Monica. up, but I guess I'm wondering, do we just leave them in Bermuda? Like, there has to be some sort of coming home moment. Usually we get like at least one, two episodes after the main cast trip.

So I'm, I'm a little bit perplexed by this editing choice that they've made to really just end the season with the trip. and I definitely was expecting to have a little bit more runway before we get to the reunion. But whether or not there's a new episode of Salt Lake City next week, we will surely have lots of debriefing to do about that finale. But for today, let's debrief about this episode we have before us. It's another Bermudiful day. And is it, though? It's like a Bermuda looks gorgeous.

I've never been. I know it's like one of the closest islands you can go to. It looks beautiful, but God, these women seem determined not to just shut up and enjoy the scenery. Because things aren't going great. You know, we pick up after that pirate dinner in the last episode. Heather texts Monica to go on a walk. So they smooth things over a little bit. You know, Heather apologizes for yelling at Monica about not being as single as her. I don't know. know, this whole thing is a little bit like, we will come back to the book, believe me, and I actually have my copy of Bad Mormon sitting in front of me, so I can help illuminate a little bit of what Heather said about Whitney. But the whole Bad Mormon thing, it's just a little bit like, I don't know. It seems like a weird line of thinking for Whitney, but we will get to it. But I'm glad that she and Monica are sort of able to put that to bed, because at the end of the day, who cares? I always think it's fun in a way when housewives are free and open about their sex lives. Like, of course that can lead to some, some fun, you know, chaotic moments happening. I mean, think about Sonia Morgan yelling about this, that, and the other thing for a decade on TV. But also, at the same time, it's like, I don't really care when housewives don't want to talk about their sex life.

I think it's one of those, it's one of the few things where I don't actually feel like signing up to be on housewives means that you need to be, you know, free enough with your sexuality to put it all out there. And I think for Heather, knowing that she comes from this background with religion and, you know, kind of this journey that she's been on, it is different for her. And especially within this group, being a single woman. And I'm sorry, talking about when the last time was that you had sex with your husband is a different question than for a single person saying when the last time they had sex with, you know, Joe Shmo from the street. It's, it is a different thing. And I think, you know, I personally feel like Heather is well within her rights, not to share that regardless of what she put in her book, which, like I said, we will get to. But then we have to pivot back to what is going on with Meredith and Monica. and Angie and these DMs. And so I picked up on a little bit of a red flag here with Monica, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, where Heather's like,

Monica, do you think Meredith was behind the DMs about Angie? And Monica's like, oh my God, I don't know if Meredith could do that. I mean, like, I could do that. But like, Meredith, please. And it's like, Monica, baby, don't put that out there about yourself. She's planting the seed. And, you know, as we see in this episode,

the situation is not as cut and dry as maybe she wanted us to think last week. And then knowing what we know now about Monica and what it seems like we're going to find out in the season finale, I would not be planting the seed of the spark of an idea that maybe you are the kind of person who would be sending anonymous DMs about somebody in your cast because, you know, anonymous DMs beget lawsuits in these parts. You never know, you know, if a, does a bear shit in the woods? Does a housewife want to file a lawsuit if she thinks that she's being slandered or whatever? It's an interesting play from Monica when she must know on some level that there's something percolating.

I feel like to a lesser degree, Monica's situation within the group and knowing this thing with the beauty lab lawsuit that she had used a different name, I guess, at Beauty Lab than Monica Garcia, how Heather has gotten to know her on the show this season. It does, her behavior sort of reminds me of Jen Shah because the question that so many people had when Jen got exposed or indicted or, you know, was if you had this scheme that you were really at the head of, that this was this years-long millions and millions of dollars, and particularly that other people involved in the scheme had already faced legal consequences, why would you be going on reality TV at all, but particularly showing off your nice things,

flaunting your wealth, giving cryptic answers about what you do for work, it felt like the kind of thing where you almost were tempting fate. And I think with Monica a little bit this season, if she's the one bringing up these DMs in the group, if she's the one kind of, you know, putting things out there and bringing up rumors because, you know, she brought up the rumor earlier in the season about Angie's husband. Like that was, that was something that she was at the very least involved with on the show, it's going to be a lot easier for people to believe down the line when things that are even more, you know, sort of salacious about her come out. And I think that seems like what we're seeing now in real time with the cast. And I'm, you know, excited to see sort of how that plays out

in the finale. But it does seem like Monica is kind of walking right into it in a way that seems like it doesn't make sense if you knew that that was a possibility. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill, four-burner gas grill, on special buy for only $199. And entertain all season with the Hampton Bay West Grove seven-piece outdoor dining set for only $49. This Memorial Day get low prices guaranteed at the Home Depot.

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Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. But anyway, they're getting ready for this yacht day. But first, Meredith calls Seth. She's, you know, saying that she, you know, feels like everybody's up against her. Dinner was really tough the night before. Meredith's word of the day here is decipher.

Because she's, she's really just trying to decipher what's going on here. And this is what she, this is what she tells other on the boat later. It's like, I love the idea that Meredith is like the, you know, Hercule Poirot or like Miss Marple of the cast. But she also just wants to sit at the front of the catamaran on her phone while everybody else is swimming.

She's like, I'm going to decipher it, but also I'm going to sit in silence and, you know, not eat tacos with the rest of you. I also, this is so stupid. It means nothing, but I really liked the scene of Angie and Whitney playing tennis briefly, where, you know, Whitney is mad about Meredith, coming back and having cake with them after dinner and, you know, not taking accountability. And Angie's like, well, you know, it's because she's guilty. She's guilty as fuck.

And when Whitney goes, I have whiplash. And Angie goes, oh, from the tennis? No, from the relationships. Angie is just, she has a way with words. She has a way with looks. She has a way with sunglasses. She just is sparking joy for me. And for a lot of other people I've seen, too,

that there has been this kind of, really surprising about face on how we feel about Angie as a, as a viewing public, that somehow she just, she has that like it factor of just, it's entertaining to watch her existing on TV. And I think she's, she's playing into it just enough where it feels like she's in on the joke sometimes. Like when they get on the boat and she's like, the last time we were all out on the water together, my shoes got overboard, but today I think somebody's going to be sleeping with the fishes. Like that's what the mafia does, right? Like she is at the same time that she is offended at this mafia rumor, she also is making

her own jokes about being in the Greek mafia. And I feel like that kind of dichotomy is something that is really endearing because it feels like she is playing along on the show level, but also kind of winking at us. And I think that's exciting. It's, it's fun to watch somebody on both levels because a lot of these women, you know, if you have somebody like a Mary Cosby, like Mary Cosby is not thinking through this show as like an entertaining experience for the viewers. She's just walking around looking like she smelled something nasty. And I think similarly like maybe like, you know, most of these women are in on it a little bit now. But I think Angie, it feels like she, she's kind of playing into it just the way that I like. And I don't know. I'm, I don't know. really enjoy her presence. But yeah, they get on the boat. Meredith's not having a good time. She talks to Heather, and this is where we get kind of the other side of the story when it comes to this Meredith and Monica thing, where Meredith says that when they were going to Palm Springs earlier this season, Monica was saying all this stuff that she had heard or knew or found

out about Angie. And this is, you know, business loans, tax liens, whatever, you know, like, businessy, fraudy kind of things. So, you know, Monica gives that information to Meredith. A few weeks later, Meredith says she was at lunch with Monica. Meredith made some sort of benign comment about some restaurant being owned by the Greek mafia and that Monica was the one that, is like, oh, Greek mafia. Do you think that's Angie? And according to Meredith, she didn't really think anything of this. It was like, oh, ha, ha, ha, no. And then when Meredith got the DM with all the stuff about Angie from this anonymous account, it matched up with the things that Monica had said about Angie on the trip to Palm Springs. And that that was why Meredith thought to bring it up to Monica, because they seemed to

too similar to be a coincidence. And I've got to be honest, when I hear this story from Meredith, of course I don't know exactly what the truth is. Of course, there are three sides to every story. And of course, Meredith is going to tell the story in a way that makes it sound like she didn't do anything. But at the same time, her version of the story kind of sounds true to me. the idea that Meredith would make a fake account and DM stuff about Angie to herself from the fake account,

it's not that it sounds like it couldn't be true, but it also doesn't necessarily feel super true. And sometimes with storylines like these, it's like maybe we'll get some receipts at the reunion that prove without a shadow of a doubt. that the IP address was from, you know, Brooks Marks' phone and he was the one with, you know, who knows? I don't, I don't have a crystal ball. But just like having existed in this Housewives world with Meredith for four years now, is that, does it really feel like the kind of thing that she does? I mean, clearly if you're Whitney or Lisa, you think so. But I don't know. I don't, I don't no, to me, like, I still feel like I have an easier time believing that Monica would do that than that Meredith would do that. And maybe, maybe I'm biased. I don't know. I like Monica. I think

she's doing a great job this season. But it does just sort of feel like Monica as a new person in the cast, as somebody who we've seen kind of involved in multiple rumors about Angie at this point, because, of course, the husband thing happened earlier this season that, you know, we just aren't even talking about anymore. It just, it's, it sort of feels like the kind of thing that Monica might get involved with. But I don't know. I mean, Meredith's talking to Monica about it and Lisa starts screaming from the other side of the boat about, stop fucking lying, Meredith.

Stop fucking lying. You're going to lose a lot of friends because you're such a fucking liar and you can't tell the truth about anything. thing and you're lying and you set the DMs and everybody knows it and I was I don't know I guess I shouldn't be surprised but I was surprised by the the level of Lisa's reaction because Lisa and Monica are like not even friends like that the Salt Lake City really has this thing where it's It's sort of unlike any other franchise in that the battle lines are drawn in the finest of Bermudian pink sand and they are just shifting with the wind, you know, twice an hour, every hour.

Because for Lisa to be so sure that Monica's version is more true than Mary, version, that she's screaming at Meredith across the boat and, you know, dragging on her for being a liar. It's like, who is Monica Garcia in this world? That was, you know, insert Yolanda's accent there. I didn't feel like doing it. It just is weird to me. And I, you know, I know that Lisa and Meredith's relationship is probably more complicated than any single relationship on this show. And And of course we see that like 10 minutes later when they got on the sprinter. And Meredith, like, sidles up to Lisa in the back and is like, I just wanted to let you know, I just heard from Brooks that he signed with Ford models.

It's like, no way. That's sick. Like, that's one of the biggest. Yeah, that's one of the biggest ones. She's like, yeah. And I told Brooks that we were having these issues. and he said, lean into Lisa because she knows. She knows who you are. And they're having this weird, like, snuggly moment in the back of the fan. And to Monica's credit, it was strange to watch,

considering the level of anger that we saw from Lisa, it was strange to watch. It was strange to watch them have that moment, but at the same time as she brings up at dinner. Lisa and Meredith's relationship is not comparable to Monica and Meredith's relationship. I understand that Monica feels like she hasn't been given the same grace as Lisa, but that's because they don't have the same type of relationship or depth of relationship or history of knowing each other. I mean, I think sometimes with housewives that can kind of get distorted because every season it's presented as this is a group of six women and we're all friends and we're all on vacation together. But I mean, even just on the show

timeline, Lisa and Meredith have been here the whole time. Monica has been hanging out with them for like at this point maybe three months. But even beyond that, Lisa and Meredith had a relationship for years before this show existed. So it's bizarre of Monica to not kind of be able to take a step back and be like, oh yeah, because Lisa and Meredith have this long, complex roller coaster of a relationship that I haven't been here for, they might have a sort of shorthand for each other that I don't necessarily get to partake in or have an equivalent to yet or maybe ever. It just is not the same. And I think with Monica, it's like, yeah, it's not fun on Housewives when like one person

is getting iced out by the whole group, but that's not what's happening with Monica. Monica has friends, at least right now, maybe not in the, maybe not by the time we get to reunion. But at this point, it's like, who cares if Meredith doesn't love you? Heather is texting you and asking for a walk. take solace in that until tomorrow. But things really get weird. We have to get back to the bad Mormon thing, the book, the Whitney of it all. When they go to this bar, the oldest bar in Bermuda after dinner, dinner was like so lovely.

It flew by. There were no major issues. They took lots of selfies. Lisa has 28,000 selfies in her iPhone camera, which does not shock me. Let's see. How many do I have? This could either be really embarrassing or really underwhelming that I'm going to check right now. Selfies. Oh, 2,220. I feel fine about that. That's just realistically just because most of my camera roll is like housewives screenshots. But, you know, we all have our addictions.

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section in Heather's book where she talks about this boudoir photo shoot that she did with Whitney. And I was watching this and I was thinking, you know, I read the book in full, cover to cover, just like Whitney did, apparently. And I was watching this and I'm thinking, you know, I remember this being in the book

I don't know that it left any great impression on me. I mean, Heather kind of gives a, you know, a different introduction to each of the women from the cast. But then I was thinking, you know, I could revisit the book. You know, I'm looking at it on my shelf right now. And then I thought, why be selfish and just revisit the book myself? I'll just read the excerpt. And so if you want to follow along at home, if you have your copy,

this is page 235 of Bad Mormon. I met more by Heather Gay. So this is, she's in the phase of her life where she's starting beauty lab. She's kind of getting, getting her life together post-divorce. But pre-show, that's important. This is before the show. My love for photography never faltered. And when I wasn't focusing on the fifth bee business, I was happy to photograph the original three.

And the original three bees just as a little aside are, I believe, boobs, butts, and bear naked. So the fourth bee is Botox. In case you were wondering. Photography and my lust for all things led me into the art of boudoir. I knew sex. I had been a married woman. And I had been outside the backyard gates enough to learn a few things. I worked solely on referrals and denied more clients than I had.

accepted. When Whitney Rose reached out, there was no doubt I wanted to take picks of her wild and untamed. The first time I hung out one-on-one with Whitney was behind the camera lens. I was prepared to be the art director, the set director, and the boudoir stylist. Most boudoir shoots required a lot of handholding, confidence boosting, and lingerie coaxing. Quote, try this leather harness, bra and matching thong. I know it feels weird, but it photographs fantastic. stick. Try getting on all fours and arching your back. Tilt your head toward me. Chin down. Relax your lips. Booty pop. Click. Nailed it. Within five minutes of arriving at Whitney's shoot, I knew this was not going to be an ordinary session. The Wild Rose was not scared to handle a little prick. As soon as I arrived,

she showed me the shopping bags she had brought, overflowing with thirst-trap thongs and thigh highs. She had enough stiletto heels to make a stripper pole jealous, and just enough kink to make me feel like I might be in over my head. It was clear that she knew all of Victoria's secrets, and I had things to learn. The next few moments did not seem like the beginning of a boudoir photo shoot. They seemed more like a scene from Titanic, where Rose takes Jack back to her first-class cabin under the guise of pursuing art. I was clearly—I'm sorry, this is so stupid. I was clearly Jack. The eager artist, and the outspoken Whitney was, quite aptly, rose. I suggested she wear the black gauzy nightgown that swept romantically to the floor

and opened in front all the way to the waist. I took note that the matching panties were microscopic and dangled off the hangar like a tiny pirate's eye patch. When Whitney emerged from the bedroom in the outfit, all the lessons about boudoir photography that I had learned from Santiago years ago came sharply into focus. I was filled with what can only be described as El Espiritu de la trace bees. This was the sign, the mantle shifting, the calling made sure. My time had come at last to sip from the Holy Grail of Boudoir photography. I was about to shoot the three bees,

and I would glorify them through the chosen vessel, Whitney Rose. We started out with a few pictures of her walking, the nightgown billowing behind her bronzed boobs and butt. She was a natural model, playful and sexy, sweet and seductive. I could not take the photos fast enough. I had the music in me. We went outside in the floaty black nightgown to get some natural wind and golden light. Whitney shone. There wasn't a second of cajoling or negotiating for a good shot. She was down for anything and everything and flipped through expert poses the way I flipped through Instagram filters.

In a town full of beauties and beasts, there is only one wild rose, and she was blooming. We were wrapping up scene number one and getting ready for outfit number two when Whitney went straight for B number Number three, Jack, I want you to draw me like one of your French girls, wearing this, wearing only this. She reached down and slowly removed her pirate patch panties. Ohoy, lady. My prayer came out instinctively, fervently, and surprisingly in Spanish. Oh, Espiritu de Santiago, I pray to thee, Dime Fuerte and guide my manos that I may honor you in Los Three Space,

especially the bare naked part, which is presented before me now. I felt the answer to my prayer immediately after I offered it. Why was I panicking? I knew exactly what to do. Something about Whitney's pantyless attire was strangely familiar. I had seen this once before. Yassine, in the city of Perpignan, in the south of France, sitting bare-assed on my lap, penis dangling as I taught the sacred law of chastity.

If he had taught me anything, it was to embrace the philosophy. No pants, no problem. Whitney pulling a full Winnie the Pooh, been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Wow. It's been a while since I read that book, and I forgot. There was some Spanish in there, a Winnie the Pooh reference. Titanic, eclectic mix of references. But, okay, so to me, like, that's about Whitney being uninhibited and kind of, like,

down for whatever. And her spirit is free. But I, there's nothing in there that is really about her sexuality in a literal sense. It's like in a artistic, creative environment.

And I would understand if Whitney didn't want that anecdote in the book about her pirate patch panties and, you know, rolling, you know, different poses. But what Heather says at the bar is that she brought it up to Whitney multiple times before the book was published and even

made an edit that Whitney had asked her to. And so if Whitney had not wanted the anecdote in the book at all, at least Heather's implying that Whitney would have had control over that. And so, you know, maybe Whitney is now having second thoughts or feeling away about that being in the book, but if Heather's telling the truth, then the fact of the matter is that she could have stopped it and chose not to. And, you know, Heather's storming out of the bar, Whitney chasing after her saying she exploited her vagina. Look, I don't know that that's really, I mean, I just read the whole thing. She doesn't talk about her vagina once. So again, you know, our feelings are our feelings.

feelings are valid, but at the same time, it's like, did Heather do anything wrong? I don't really think so. And for Heather to not want to say the last time she had sex or the specific way that a man has gone down on her, that's not equivalent to saying that Whitney was like sexually free and uninhibited in this controlled, closed setting of a boudoir photo. shoot. I mean, based on the way Heather makes it sound, there was literally no one else there. So it's not like, it's not like she's saying that Whitney was like, you know, flashing people on the street, which, you know, if that's what you're into, go with God. It's just a, it's a, it's a weird thing. And I know, you know, it seemed like Whitney was drunk. It seemed like Heather is, you know,

she, Heather definitely gets defensive about the book, which I understand, you know, it's her creative outlet and it's a business venture for her. It just sucks that it seems like Heather and Whitney can't sort of get on firm ground in their relationship with each other. Like they have good moments together and then it just sort of crumbles again. And I don't know if either of them really want to get to a better place with each other at this point. But it does seem like nothing that they're fighting about is ever really that huge. And so I don't know if it's one of those things where there's just a little hump that you can't quite get over, but it just feels like a shame. But anyway, by next week it seems like we will have much bigger fish to fry in the form of, you know, some damning information.

I can't believe it's the season finale already. I mean, what a season this has been. Truly, I've had a great time recapping it, watching it, talking to some of them. God, I'm kind of nervous to see what the reunion might be like. But, you know, until next time, thanks for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show. Like I said, interviews with Dr. Wendy, Kelly Ben-Simone coming up. Lots more great stuff to look forward to in the new year.

Happy holidays, everyone. I hope you have a great time wherever you're spending your next couple of weeks. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales-Picco, and Rebecca Sousma-Kat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander.

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