Mention It All - Another OG Has Fallen Ft. Samantha Bush (RHOP)

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

Dylan is joined by trusted colleague Samantha Bush, and they begin with the news that Ramona Singer won’t be joining RHONY Legacy. They both have mixed feelings about the loss of another OG, but there’s reason for hope. Next, they recap RHOP, where Wendy’s Burn Session falls flat, and Mia’s trip to Miami isn’t giving what she thinks it’s giving. They also unpack their feelings about Charrisse, and whether Ashley and Luke are for real. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny, Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am excited to be joined once again by a good friend, a

betcha's colleague. You know her from Bravo historian, the Betches Brides podcast, and she has a new podcast coming out that's very exciting that we can talk about. Please welcome back to the show, Samantha Bush. Hi, how are you? I am doing well. I'm excited to have you here on a Monday. It's, I don't know how positive the vibes are, but we've got lots to talk about. And, you know, who better to kick off the week? Before we get into everything that's been happening, I just want to let everyone know. If you're in the mood to get in the holiday spirit, get some of your holiday shopping done, Betches has the holiday event of the season that we are bringing right to you right now. It is the Betches holiday holiday. House. This is a virtual experience where you can get new videos you've never seen before, fun, Betches throwbacks, little games, our favorite product recommendations, and gift ideas,

and so much more. The house is super cute. I don't know, Sam, if you've had a chance to kind of like click around yet, but it's like very cute, very chic. Very chic, I would say. I was much to say chic. The chicest wind chime I've ever seen. But there are there are lots of little like Bravo Easter eggs. there, I would say. Like, it's very on theme, on brand. But yeah, it's super fun. There's exclusive promo codes and real-life holiday confessions that you won't want to miss. So you can head to betches.com slash holiday house now to check it out and keep coming back all season long for more cool surprises. Are you feeling like holiday-ish yet? I've never been more in the holiday spirit in my life.

Oh, yeah. That's interesting. Like, I'm feeling. feeling it. I'm feeling, I just feel tired. Like, that's how I know it's the holiday season, because I'm like, mm-hmm. I guess, I guess we're doing it. I have to buy presents for people. I don't know what it is.

Like, I'm so excited. Like, I went to Target the other day with my mom and the way her and I were rabid dogs in the Christmas aisles, like, looking at ornaments and, like, reefs. We, like, we couldn't be stopped. Wow. It was bad. Yeah. I love that for you.

Maybe I'll get there. Yeah, you'll get there. And, you know, I'm really ready to, like, have it snow. It snowed here on Saturday. Like, it's happening. God bless. Yeah. The biggest week is, speaking of on Saturday, the biggest news over the weekend in the

Bravo side of things was about Roney legacy, which we have, you know, been hearing about on and off since the spring, but there's been no kind of concrete news about casting or anything at Bravo. Khan when they announced the Rony reboot cast. They specifically said that no casting decisions have been made for Legacy yet and that they were kind of waiting to get the reboot off the ground before they turned their attention to Legacy. But now it seems like it seems like things are happening behind the scenes, maybe not finalized

casting yet. But Page 6 reported on Friday that there was like a cast in the works. And it's kind of, you know, the usual suspects that you would think are going to be on Roney Legacy, but notably they said that Ramona Singer was not likely to be on the show. And then the very next day, Ramona confirmed to page six that she will not be on Rony Legacy. She said, quote, I do not want to do the show any longer. It's not for me at this time, which is like the funniest, most specific way of confirming that you're not on the show.

of course, question mark, question mark, question mark over was she invited to the show? It seems like maybe the answer was no. But what are your thoughts? First, before we get into how we feel about Ramona being gone, what are your thoughts about this particular statement? It's the most like PR type of statement she could have given. Like I think it, she obviously had to like run it by some people and add in the whole like, at this time. It's like, well, if it's not this time, the baby girl, it's never going to happen. Yeah. This does feel kind of like it makes sense in line with what she said on her interview with

Carlos King a few weeks ago where she was saying, you know, they basically didn't want any of us for regular Roney anymore. So they fired all of us. And now they want some of us back. So it feels like it's the loser show. I don't know if I want to do the loser show. And while that is maybe a less PR approved way to speak about this whole situation, she did kind of plant the seed at that time that she might not want to do it. And as much as I think this feels kind of like, you can't fire me because I quit. Like I'm choosing not to do the show. And we know a lot of housewives have sort of used that tactic in the past when they've been not invited back.

But like if Ramona doesn't really want to do the show, I don't want her to do the show. Right. I have one of my, you know, highest held beliefs about housewives is that the second you don't really want to be there anymore, you shouldn't be there anymore because it's only going to lead to mediocre, you know, bad product at the end of the day. And this legacy show, it might be a flop. It might be amazing.

But it has a much better chance at being amazing if you have like seven or eight girls who really, really want to be there. Right. The thing with Ramona that I keep going back and forth about is I genuinely, like, I think it might be the case that you said, I quit, therefore, like, you can't fire me type of thing. But there is a part of me that really feels like Ramona is now in like a stage of her life, like where she doesn't want to do that stuff. She wants to be able to go wherever she wants, whenever she wants. She doesn't want to have to adhere to filming schedules. She wants to be in Palm Beach.

She wants to be in Aspen. You know what I mean? Like I just can't, I think it was her time to go. But it's still really like a sad like send off. It's not the send off that like I would want for her. I think that's an interesting point that she might just feel like she is kind of over the whole system. And she wants her kind of life back in. That sounds dramatic, but she's been doing this for a really long time. And there is kind of this cycle. It's not like you're on call 365 days a year, but you know, you have to be in town for certain months for filming. You have to be around for the reunion. There's certain press obligations. They're doing BravoCon. They're doing all of this stuff. And Ramona, if she doesn't really need the money, which who knows, if she's played her cards right, then she probably is in pretty good financial shape.

Like, she wants to be able to be invited to Abiza or wherever for two weeks by a friend who has a yacht and just be able to pack a bag and go. And, you know, she's retired in a traditional sense. And so now it's like she wants to like retire, retire. And she's like 65 years old. That's what I was just what to say. Like, this isn't like a, she's 65. Like, she's ready to like just live her life the way that she wants it. and yeah, not have to deal with this.

And I think the way the network maybe went about the whole last season really maybe bothered her. Like, who knows how she feels. But it's going to be kind of weird to not have her there. Yeah, it will be different. Like, whether you think it's a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really have feelings either way, we've never seen a version of New York without her. Right. And so I think legacy, knowing that Ramona won't be there. It is kind of, it's a little, it's kind of fun to think about now.

Like, what will that vibe be like? If we're, if we're going to have potentially Jill and Dorinda back, Kelly's name was included in the page six report. So if that is, if they have some accurate source that they're pulling from, then it seems like there's a good chance that Kelly will be in the mix somehow, Luann, Sonia, like, there's a lot to work with there. So if they, if the women all show up and are like, ready to go. I'm excited. I'm excited too. I do think and maybe because I'm just protective over

the Roney girls more so than I feel about any other like franchise is like I do think on some level Bravo like was a little too like harsh with them about the last season. Like I feel like we've seen worse seasons. Am I crazy? Like I feel like Orange County was like literally in the toilet for years and like they didn't get punished like this like I feel like the rony girls are literally being punished yeah I don't disagree I think it was kind of a combination of a lackluster season and then the kind of like HR nightmare that ended up happening yeah on the tail end like it just sort of became this thing that nobody really wanted to touch and by by rebranding it as legacy and giving it a year off to kind of breathe and then resetting.

You kind of don't necessarily have to address all of the stuff that went down the last time that show was on, whether that's, you know, a good thing or a bad thing, not having to address it. That's a different question. But I, you know, I, Jenna Lyons was on TikTok getting ready for a dinner party the other day. She's like hosting a dinner party and the theme was khaki, gold, and black. and she was trying on outfits.

I'm like, sounds like a housewives theme to me. That's the most housewives theme I've ever heard. Cacky, gold, and black. Like, okay, denim and diamonds. Like, it's so funny. Like, imagine getting invited to a party in real life where they're like, okay, great. I'm just having, I'm just having the girls over for a nice night at my apartment.

And I just want everybody to wear khaki, gold, and black. I would be like, bitch what? I know. I'd be like, are you okay? Like, that's not happening. Oh, so you have to be like a certain level of chic for khaki to be like a good thing in your wardrobe. Because like for most of us, I feel like khaki is like, okay, so I'm wearing like khaki pants from Gap to your dinner party. Yeah, like it's giving Target uniform. Right. It's giving like anybody that has worked retail knows about like the pants. The pants. We all know the pants. Oh, my God.

Genalines was not wearing the pants. But I am excited about that new Roney. Like, I'm excited about it. I just, like, obviously have such a soft spot in my heart for, like, the old girlies. Totally. I'm excited that they're both finally getting off the ground so we can have something to watch and talk about versus just, like, talking in circles about, like, I don't know if Derinda should be off pause.

It's like, well, take her off pause and we'll find out. Well, we will see. But you know who's not on pause? Thank God, is the women of Potomac. Oh my God. No, they're like, they're crazy. I'm dying over the season. All new drinks are now at McDonald's,

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But it's just the most flimsy premise for a housewives event. Like, they are at this winery that is like two hours from where any of them live. It is essentially a barn in a deserted field. And the whole point is just that we're coming together to say every negative thing that we feel about each other. And it's hilarious because it's like the burn session just started at the end of last episode. And it basically is already over when this episode starts because after all of the stuff that goes down with Wendy and Robin, there's no productive burn session after that. No, this is like the worst idea. I have so many thoughts about Wendy Dillon.

Like, I've really had to like let my love for her go. Because she's not the same Wendy. It is. She's not the same Wendy and it's not in the sense of like she looks different or anything. It's like I don't know who the fuck this woman is. She feels very lost. I feel like like I don't understand this whole like she wants to start a bar slash library for kids.

Like, just be the person you were season one who we loved. Like, I don't understand this, like, other person we're getting. It's weird. And this whole idea of, like, let's all sit around and say all the things we hate about each other. And this is going to be something productive is so ridiculous. Like, that's never, ever going to happen. Yeah.

And I think it seems like, I don't, I can't remember if she was this way, maybe her her first season, but she's framing this whole event around we're all going to own our shit. We're going to say what we're feeling and everybody's going to own it and we're going to move on, which, I mean, in any Housewives franchise, this would be, you know, setting yourself up for failure. But the fact that it's Wendy specifically, she seems so unwilling and uninterested in meaningfully owning her shit and she's you know she talks a lot of shit she says a lot of things she has strong feelings about a lot of people um we've seen pretty much everyone in the cast talk about how she can be condescending she can be sort of dismissive of people's thoughts and opinions we see her even just like later in

this episode when she's making fun of Mia for referring to Miami as like the tip of the east coast and she's like well the tip would actually be the top and it's like who who cares what Like, that's not. Right. But also, like, would it be? There are plenty of things to come for Mia about. But her referring to Miami as some, like, geographical feature is not worth even bringing up. But also, it's like, yeah, that's the thing.

It's why even talk about that? That's so stupid. And also, like, I would think of it as the tip. Yeah. It is the tip of Florida. To me, to me, the tip is any, like, edge. Any edge. Any point. And Miami is, it's giving tip. It's giving, it's giving tip. I just, like, I loved Wendy, like, sees her first season. Like, I loved her and Eddie. I loved her kids. I loved her mom. Like, I loved seeing that side of her. It's this whole other person we're getting that I'm just like, who the fuck are you? And what did you do with Wendy? Like, the rehearsed read that was heard around the world last year when she came for Giselle was like, okay. And as like a Housewives veteran, like, watcher, you can spot a rehearsed read like miles away.

And that's all Wendy is giving us. I think maybe. I do love that Peter Thomas is now thrown in the mix because I love him. Going back to thinking about her first season, maybe part of the reason that people responded so well to her was because she was genuinely something different that we hadn't seen before, both in her professional. background, having the four degrees, being an active professor was something so novel for housewives. And then also her family, her Nigerian background, the way that that is, you know, relevant in her everyday life. And with her seeing her parents and all her family, all of this stuff, it felt like we were really seeing a unique person on a housewives franchise. And then

in the two seasons since, it's almost like she has been trying to bring herself more in line with the kind of like housewife image. And I think obviously, you know,

you're going to learn things in your time on the show. You're going to learn how to handle certain situations or, you know, you're going to up your glam game or whatever. There's nothing wrong with that. But that it's like, it does feel a little bit like Wendy has

abandoned, the she's not she's not really incorporating the stuff that made her so exciting in the first place she's just trying to be the housewife yeah it's it's not something i'm enjoying seeing because none of it really feels real to me like this whole like candle line i'm like are you really like doing a candle line like it just feels like okay now i'm the show and i have to create a product to sell it's like no like just be you and everything will follow after that i just don't get it. It reminds me of Cynthia Bailey, who I love, but she would always, like, have cargo and then she had the Lake Bailey and then she had the wine cellar and the modeling

agency. Like, it just gets like, what are you? These aren't real businesses. Like, this is not something that's really happening. Why am I, I don't care about this. I care about you and your mom having tough conversations. I care about you with your kids or you being a professor. Like, that's what I care about. Yeah. At least this week, she has come to her senses and decided that the Nigerian Lounge needs to be on pause because she has 55 other things going on. And it's like, great. Thank you. But then it's weird because the first going back to the season premiere, she had the whole

scene sitting down with Peter Thomas. And like that seemed like it was going to be the storyline. And now I guess maybe it's paying off in the sense that Peter is coming, is like resurfacing in Miami and says he has beef with Wendy. And I guess we're going to get to that next episode. but it's like, okay, now it just feels like this was like a red herring that was thrown out to like give us something to talk about. But was it ever a real thing? And with housewife businesses, there is always the question of like, is this meant to be real or is this just meant to be like fodder for the show?

It's time to be real. It's time to be fucking for real. And it is getting realer and realer with Ashley and Michael. and Candice at the burn, the last real thing we get from the burn session is Candace's revelation that she heard from someone, has known for years apparently

that Michael was using the services of an escort, allegedly, a male escort. And later in the episode, we do hear from Robin that she apparently, knew about this years ago and chose to never bring it up. Giselle says she has never heard this before, which... Which I don't believe for one fucking second.

Giselle has her ears on the street. Like, she knows what the fuck people are saying. Right. It does feel like this is the kind of thing where if it's out there enough that Candace and Robin both know about it, there is absolutely no way that somebody wouldn't have at least slid into Giselle's DMs with that info or somebody told... I don't know Robin telling her. Right.

Like it is... It's strange to think about the idea that Robin would know that for, quote, years and would never bring it up to Giselle because we've seen them to specifically so many times on this show. Basically, any secret that one of them knows is like communal property. And it is... an interesting thing though because if

if Jazeel had known that information three years ago let's say I feel like we would have known that information three years ago and so there is kind of a part of me that's like maybe Jasell didn't know because it would be shocking if she had really really just fully kept that

secret for so long that would be really out of character for her you're correct if she heard that Michael Darby had an escort man or woman, we would know. She would have walked into whatever reunion happened next with the biggest shitting and grin on her face that you've ever seen.

And look, I love me some jizzy, but she is not a secret keeper. No, no, no. It's not where she shines. I think the only person she'd ever keep a secret for is Robin. Like if Robin was like dead ass looking at her in the face, like you cannot tell anybody. she's not telling anybody. Yeah. But when it comes to Michael Darby squeeze an ass, we're going to talk about it.

I actually was kind of impressed with how calmly Ashley received this information, this episode. And like, I just... What? Ashley is always calm when she gets news about Michael Darby. Like, she saw a photo of Michael Darby's body. his being and she was so common she was like that's not him it was him Ashley is so funny swing and his dingling across Instagram I just I'm like Ashley is truly one of the best actresses of our time

I am so obsessed with her and her like talk about a shit eating grain whenever she talks about her pre-nup money child support that she's potentially getting from Michael Darby. She's smiling. Like, can't stop smiling. It's so funny to me. Her trip to the lawyer this episode, to me, had big energy of, like, we're doing this on camera because it is going to be, like, a good, like, pivotal scene in my divorce journey

on the show. But I cannot imagine that most of the information this woman was saying was actual news to Ashley Darby. Because she's like, Ashley's like. Oh, no. Ashley's like, now, Michael and I were talking about buying a house in the LLC. Now, do you think that that sounds like a good idea?

Or do you think it sounds like not a good idea? And it's like, she's asking it in such a way that it's like, you already know the answer to this question. You know the answer, but she's using this as like leverage. She's like, I got to get this on camera. She's going to be like, so Michael, I met with lawyer lady. And lawyer lady said, don't buy house in LLC. And then later in the episode, she says that she found out the LSC doesn't even exist yet,

which is another thing where I'm like, I don't know the exact timeline of events here, but I don't buy for one second that on the season premiere Ashley's like, we made an offer on a house. The LLC is LLCing. And then like seven episodes later, she's like, it was brand new news to me that the company, in fact, doesn't exist. I'm like, I feel like you are a lot more aware of what's happening here than you're kind of portraying. Yeah, I think, I don't think Ashley Darby is dumb. And I think she knows exactly what she's doing. She knows how much money to the penny she's going to get.

She's been calculating this for years. She's like, you know, in Adam's family values, Debbie Jolensky, the evil. I actually haven't seen Adam's family values. I'm so sorry. Oh, okay. Well, it should be required viewing in every public school in America. But she reminds me a little bit of that, like, where she just like, she knows exactly what she's going to get from Michael. And she just wants it basically reaffirmed to her and like having to talk about it, like, to a lawyer.

she's just like, okay. Like, because none of it's making sense. And I also don't understand why they have such archaic rules for divorce in Maryland. In Virginia. But yeah. Or Virginia. Why do you have to be separated for a year? It's so weird.

It's so weird. I think there are a lot of places that have still like bad, weird old, like, there's places where you, like, one party still has to be like at fault in a divorce. There's places where, you know, they make it really, like, both people have to agree and they make it really, really hard if you can't get like the other person to cooperate. But right. I don't think Ashley is dumb in in any real context, but I certainly don't think she is clueless

about this marriage, pre-up, divorce arrangement because she walks into that office and she literally is like, the lawyer asks if she has a pre-up and she's like, yes, we have a pre-up. And our eighth anniversary was actually just last week. We do have the two babies. And it's like, right, this is a, this is a chess game. You know for a fact that you've been married X amount of years, which in the pre-up agreement. She probably knows to the minute. Means that you have the rights to X amount of community property.

And because you've also had two babies, you're going to get X amount more. Like, right. I don't, we've been talking for years about how Ashley had to hit whatever mark in her marriage. Yeah. And then like the babies made it, you know, a little. different but like it's been it's a known fact that there was kind of an equation as to when it would make the most sense for her to leave this marriage and it's like yeah it she got the she got the notification on her phone that she set a reminder literally like no time actually darby's

setting a reminder like four years in advance it's like uh march 12th 2022 oh it's time for me to make my separation official that's fun and just like I just like I just can't help myself with Ashley. Like, I just think she's a great housewife and she's so messy and perfect for this. And now that she's like, fucking Luke, I can't. Dylan, I can't. That, I mean. That, she loves a TikTok dance.

She loves a TikTok dance. She's doing it in the airport on this episode. She's doing it everywhere. The TikTok from Luke's apartment. We didn't talk about it. The antler. The antler. There's a Minnesota license plate on the wall in the background.

The rug does match up with one. of Luke's past posts. I am curious, what do you think about where do you fall on obvious, it's obvious that they want people to be able to figure out that they are spending time together. So how do you feel about is this a real situation ship that they are exploring in a real world context and they're just having fun letting us all kind of follow along or do you think it's like PR stunty to you? I don't think it's PR stunty. I think that they really did like have a connection at BravoCon and like when he saw her and you know got her number and stuff. But I do think they

enjoy that people are so obsessed with it, you know? I think I don't think it's PR driven. I think it's like legit. I think they really like each other. I was actually thinking about this the other day, Dylan. Like, they actually do have a lot in common. Like, they're both outdoorsy, you know, hikers, um, fisher's, you know, earthy. Okay. They're around the same age too. Like they're not. That's also what I like. Like she's not, you know, he's not going for like someone who's like, he's not going to someone that's like on Leva's show. Right. He's going for a mother of two. And honestly, there's a part of me that feels that this is almost like a, um, a little jab at Craig. Like, I can't help but think that maybe that might be play a role in it too. Like,

you think like you're the number one couple on Bravo. Like, I'm going to date a real housewife of Potomac. Oh. Wow. That you came for me and now look at me. Because now no one cares about Craig and Page. Like literally no one gives a fuck about them. I think what everyone's freaking out about Luke. Craig and Paige She's like a higher get. Right. That's like if Tom Schwartz like Ken Todd dies and he like fucks Lisa Vanderpump.

Like that's crazy. That's how I feel about this. Long may long may Ken Todd stay with us. Someone did ask me the other day if he had passed and I said, I don't know. I don't know. But right. Like Paige and Craig getting together was exciting when it was first happening when we were trying to ascertain whether or not it was really happening.

But now that they've been together for six months or a year, a year, sorry. I'm like, when did I watch whatever season? Yeah. Right. Like a year. It's, they're just like any other influencer Instagram couple sort of. Like they post a cute picture and there are obviously a lot of fans that are into them as a couple. but they're not capturing the zeitgeist of the Bravo community.

And like right now people are having so much fun following along with whatever is going on with Ashley and Luke. And it's like no other couple on Bravo right now has a similar energy like that. And they're like so fucking hot. Like that's the other thing. Like they're just like a really, really, really hot couple. And she's a housewife. He's had a rough season on Winterhouse. like people like him.

But then there's also like when he dropped the little nuggets on watch what happened inside. He was like, oh yeah. Like she helped me pick out my outfit. Like yeah, we're going to hang out. And then now that they're hanging out with like Carl and Lindsay, I'm like, imagine Luke making the jump from Summerhouse, Winterhouse to Potomac. I love it.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure he's not on this upcoming season of Summerhouse. I don't think so either. So that's going to be interesting. Like otherwise, I feel like we would kind of just forget he existed. But if he's, you know. That's what I'm saying. Attending sporting events with Ashley, then I will not hit the unfollow button just yet on Luke.

But getting back to Potomac, we are headed to Miami. Oh, my God. I'm excited to see this group in Miami. It feels like they haven't done a beach trip or like kind of a fun in this. Sun trip for a few seasons. They lost Katie. Since they lost Katie. Right.

They've had a lot of these kind of like dreary were somewhere in on the East Coast, but like the weather's not nice. And like a log cabin. Like it's not it. They got to go to Portugal, which was fun. But like there's just been a lot of, there's been a lot of trips where it's like, and we're in a house. Yeah.

And so I'm excited to see them somewhere with palm trees. and sadly not on the beach. They're on the other side of the bay. They're quite literally like someone, I forget which house I've said it. She was like, we're in a neighborhood. We're in a neighborhood. There's someone's grandma across the street.

It is funny. They're driving down this street in the cars and it's like one side of the street is like these beautiful like waterfront homes and the other side of the street is just like ranch houses. And I, we've all, I mean, anybody who's, if you've been to a beach type place, you know those streets along the beach where it's like, Like the houses that face the water are really nice. And then it's just like a normal ass neighborhood if you don't get to see the water.

But this house, notably, for nine women on the trip, only has six bedrooms. I would freak out, Dylan. It's okay. I would freak out. I feel like if you are choosing, if you're staying in a house, if you're getting a house for the specific group, I feel like you're only really allowed to be like one bedroom short. That's what I mean. Like if there's seven women and it's a six bedroom house, that's okay. Sonia and Ramona can share.

Giselle and Robin can share. But six. Nine women and six bedrooms. And you're like a real housewife. Like spring for the bigger house. But also it would literally have left. Like maybe at that point like the third friend of whose name I don't remember doesn't get to come on the trip. Right.

Well, also the fact that Shasha gets her own room is so fucking weird. Shasha gets her own room, but she is still displeased with the lack of a bathroom. How many bathrooms is it? Okay, so Mia and Jacqueline's room has a bathroom. Uh-huh. Robin and Jazeel have notably just one bathroom between the two of that. Wendy and also Candace's room has a bathroom. Ashley's room has a bathroom.

And then there must be at least one like... So five bathrooms for nine women. These women in particular. These aren't like low-maintenance girlies on like a camping trip. Like this is like these witches are in Miami. They're going to have hair and makeup. They're going to like, it's going to be a whole thing. This is,

Mia is such a goddamn mess. Like I, I hated Mia very notably last season. Like I was very anti-Mia. But now I find her really funny and really silly and because she literally believes her own lies. And I love that for her. I also think it's interesting. It's very Drew. It's very true.

She and Drew are like long lost relatives. But it is funny that even without hearing Wendy's hot mic moment from the other episode where she says that she's lying, Mia has already decided that she doesn't like Wendy on her own accord. I'm like, interesting. Yeah. I'm like, just wait. Well, then also, if you look at Mia's, like, social media, like, the way that she talks about, like, Chris and Candace, she's like, she, like, literally openly admits to, like, lying. She's like, yeah, you know, I guess he wasn't looking at me.

I'm like, what? Like, okay, girl. Like, you made it this whole thing. Like, what are you talking about? Oh, my God. And then, like, when she said pussy popping on a handstand last week, like, that phrase has not, like, left my mind. That story, it's so, you know, that.

It was crazy. I have saved, like, the photo of Garcel where she's like, don't ever tell that story again. Like, she just thinks that's like the funniest, like, cutest, like, cutest story of how she and Gordon got together. And it's like, no, I'm traumatized from hearing that. No, like, I, when she said he was happily married and he came on the trip, I was like, what is she fucking talking about? Like, I couldn't even make sense of it. Right. She is somebody who I think she has very little idea of how she comes across, both in how she acts, what she says.

Her whole kind of vibe, I think it's intriguing to watch because I think she thinks she's giving something different than what she's giving. And like you made the Drusadora comparison, like that kind of delusion is really just watchable. And with this trip also, I feel like she is, she thinks she is serving like iconic luxury glamour trip. M-I-A. We're going to go to Peter Thomas's club. It's going to be, it's going to be hot. It's going to be everything. We're going to, I'm naming the rooms after strip club movie things.

Like, it's just, it's all like, oh, you think, you think this is like. top tier best it's ever been done. And I'm like, yeah, it's a nice house. Yeah, like, I can't afford it. But I'm not watching Housewives for that, you know? But I am watching Housewives to watch the delusion. And also, like, like, if you play, if you think of like when Miami girls went to, like, the Versace mansion, that was like a casual little day and night trip.

Right. That was like a little sleepover's vacation. Mia thinks that that's what she's giving. It's like, that's like, that's. not what's happening at all. Oh my god. I'm so excited for Miami to come back. Oh my God. When I saw them at BravoCon, I was like, I hang on their every word. Like their every move. Like I, Dylan, I don't know if you and I have talked about it, but I'm deeply concerned about Nicole, Dr. Nicole's finances. I am. I'm concerned. Oh, yeah. Well, because we've seen this before. We thought someone had money and they

didn't. They did the whole, that like stunning house renovation, did the architectural digest spread. and then sold the house and just bought a new house, which, I mean, the new house is beautiful as well, but, like, maybe not quite as, like, opulent or, like, not quite as stately. I don't know. I need to dig into the new house. But I do love Nicole. And it is one of those things where it's like, okay, anesthesiologist, you make good money. He's a lawyer.

He makes good money. But you're— It's not like this kind of money. No, like, I think there's family money. They're, like, $45 million homes and have a jet. Like, this is, like, crazy. Right. No one, no one who's a lawyer who's, I learned this from Tom Gerardi's little house with

and the hustler, is no lawyer who's that rich is doing the right thing. Right. You know what I mean? Like, there's something going on there. I just watched over the weekend the, um, the Murdoch family documentary on HBO. It's called Low Country if you haven't watched it. And like the main guy in that is giving very much like, red neck Tom Girardi

but like with murder too so there's it's a little bit like darker but he's still like stealing from the victims I'm like okay this episode is brought to you by Prime Obsession is in session and this summer Prime Originals have everything you want steamy romances

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This summer, serve up the cookout classics, craft mayo and dressing. Toss green salads with delicious ranch dressing or zesty Italian. Serve smooth, craveably creamy potato salads with mayo. We all know it's not a cookout without craft. The last thing I want to get your thoughts on really is how are you feeling about, Sheree's presence this season. Because to me, it's very interesting that Cherise is back as

I'm not sure who's friend technically, but Karen fucking hates her, doesn't want anything to do with her. Meanwhile, Mia is renting a two-bedroom apartment in Sheree's asshole. Literally. I'm obsessed with Karen's hatred of Sherease.

like it's Karen to me can do no wrong even when she's 100% wrong like I ride for Karen so hard. So her hating Cherise is just really gets me good because I just think these women to me like even when they're not agreeing on things are so funny. Like the way that they fight with each other makes me laugh. So like it's not like very dark. And then with Mia loving Charisse, I don't understand. it, it feels so random. And like, when she was talking about how she's like, I love how Cherie's eyelash, just sliding off her face half the time.

But she doesn't care. She gives no shits. Like, so how I'm feeling about her coming back, I feel like it's really strange because she was gone. Like, she was like nowhere to be found. And now all of a sudden she's like on trips and she's got confessional looks. I like her. I think she's funny.

anyone that makes a whole storyline getting your champagne room, making your ex-husband pay for every single, you know, everything in that room. It's just, I love her. I think, yeah, I agree she makes me laugh.

I think her presence is like a fun little added bit of spice to the cast. But it is a little strange that it seems like Mia thinks that befriending Charisse is going to be some kind of strategic Trump card that it's going to like help her to be friends with the real grand dom of Potomac. And I'm like, Cherise is a friend of on this show who a couple seasons back came back and then like couldn't even be a friend of when she was showing up to the Denham and Diamonds party. And it's like,

Cherise maybe in terms of like some imagined Potomac society is a desirable friend. But in terms of this group, Cherise is like not on the leaderboard. Like she is somebody who is always kind of around in the larger circle. But like if Charisse was really going to show up and like make a play for, you know, the like center spot, it's not happening. It hasn't happened. It doesn't feel like it's going to happen.

And so for Mia to kind of put all her eggs in the basket of Sherey's and Jacqueline, it's like, okay, I'm glad. I'm glad you have people to go to the spa with and to kind of like bounce things off of. I think that's not a bad thing to have on the show, to have your little side crew, but like they're the side crew. Right. And they'll never be the main crew. Right.

Being like Cherise's girl isn't the same as being Karen's girl or Jaze's bestie or even like Ashley or Candace's right hand. Like it is totally a side thing. And I'm like, Mia, you're investing a lot of resources into the friends of. And it's funny because you know that Mia thinks this is like the best idea. She's like, it's how I picture Mia and like the best, I don't know, maybe this is the wrong word, but metaphor for Mia is when she went to her joint business and like moved the pamphlets around on the desk for a while and really thought she was the CEO. She was like, I work hard.

That clip. Mia in a nutshell. When they brought back that clip last week, when she was having dinner with G, and she was like, you know, it's just like so busy. Like every time we opened a new location, it really just takes it out of me. And they just flash back to her like, shuffling the pamphlets.

I'm like, that is the epitome of Mia. That she's like, well, you know, I'm a CEO. I'm a boss bitch. I'm working hard. And it's literally like, that's the work. And then she's like, see ya. It's like, babe, you're not working. And that's how I feel about her on the show.

Like she really thinks that she's giving something, doing something. And she is in the sense that we're all laughing like at her and not with her, you know? Yeah. Well, at least she, at least she has her own bathroom. That's true. Charisse can't say the same. Charisse is going to stay at a hotel. Do her and Jacqueline have a falling out eventually?

Oh, I don't know. But at this point, if they had a falling out, then I just wouldn't ever care to see Jacqueline again. Like, I don't. Okay. Like, okay. I'm glad you have you. I'm glad you're like real friends, but like, I don't know this girl. Yeah.

I can, even if you showed her to me right now and I just watched the episode this morning, I'd be like, I don't know who that is. I don't know this man. I remember that she's Mia's friend, but I couldn't tell you anything about her. And that's. No, not a single thing. That's where we are right now. Sam, this has been so fun.

Before we go, can you tell everyone about this new podcast that you have happening? Oh my God. Yeah, so Crown Jewels is my new podcast with Lex Nico. You can follow her on Instagram at Lex Nico, L-E-X-N-I-K-O. We are starting this podcast about the Royals, not just the British monarchy, but we're branching off into like every single monarchy. We're going to do updates, news, fashion. There's going to be games.

There's a game that we're going to play called T-N-Crumfits. And then especially with Harry's new book coming out called Spare. In January, there's going to be a lot of content coming. I'm so excited. I just watched, I finished the new season of the crowd. And I'm like very, my Wikipedia has never been more active. I literally, I saw a video or a picture. It was like whenever I'm watching the crowd, it's like a Wikipedia page is open at all times.

Because it's like you're always like Googling like what's going on. Yeah, I'm so excited. Her and I, we became friends, obviously, through social media, just how like everybody becomes friends now. Yeah. And we always were talking about the royals to each other. Like that was the only thing we were talking about. And now it's going to become a podcast. It's called Crown Jewels, right?

Yeah. Okay. And that you can, the trailer is out now wherever you listen to podcasts. You can go follow and subscribe so you don't miss episodes when it starts coming out. Also, if you're in the holiday spirit already go to betches.com slash holiday house because there's lots going on there. In the meantime, thank you so much, Sam. And thank you everyone for listening.

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