Mention It All - Are Erika & Tom Broke? (RHOC, Southern Charm)

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

Bari and Dylan cap off a busy week on Bravo with another packed show. First, they discuss the new Summer House trailer, and why quarantine might be a good thing for the Hamptons crew. Next, they share updates in Erika Jayne’s legal scandal, and make predictions about how the drama might unfold on RHOBH. Then, they recap the latest episode of RHOC, which features an underwhelming cast trip, multiple positive COVID tests, and a questionable discussion of white privilege. Finally, they break down this week’s Southern Charm, and give Austen and Madison some relationship advice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Happy Friday, everyone. Happy Friday. We are rapidly approaching the end of the year, but things on Bravo are not slow. down at all. It feels like we have more than ever to talk about. I know. Today we're talking about OC and Southern Charm. And I had to text Dylan frantically this morning because you guys know my Wednesdays are packed, but I couldn't find the new real housewives of OC this week. And I had to watch it on the app on my phone for an hour. Or 43 minutes, I should say. I really, I think your life would be better if you figured out how to get the Bravo app on your Apple TV. Yeah, that'd work. That's good. I feel like that should be. your holiday gift to yourself. It's just like Googling something. Yes, I will do it. Okay. So we forgot to mention yesterday. This week we got the season five trailer for Summerhouse, which of course is notable because it was filmed fully in quarantine, so they're not going

back and forth to the city like they normally would. Honestly, I think this is kind of the ideal format for Summerhouse. Pandemic obviously is not a good thing. But I feel like the fact that they're all stuck there could kind of make the show more interesting. Or dramatic. Can you imagine literally drinking with your friends or people who you're not friends with for let's say two months and not leaving? Like that could get a little hectic. But I am excited because I group Summerhouse with like my Ciesta Key and like that it's a different reality show for me and I just like I I've always enjoyed shows like that so I'm excited but I love when they did go back to the city just for a little not actually I'm kind of excited to not see that part I think it's like those moments can be fun but they're

they never feel like necessary like seeing seeing carl and whoever at lunch in soho is kind of like a little superfluous um so I'm I'm excited for this. We have a new cast member, Sierra, the first black woman on Summer House, and she's fucking hot as hell. Like, oh my God. I'm like, okay, I guess I shall start hitting the gym before bikini season starts. I, yeah, I'm excited. It premieres the first week of February. So we have a little bit to go, but obviously we will be talking about that when it starts. Also, did you see there was an article in the LA Times yesterday about Erica and Tom that was. Okay. It was a lot. So someone DM me this morning and go, because they like they asked what, again, what do we think? And is it going to be a storyline? And this is just getting messier and messier. And you almost need like a notebook to write down like everything that's going on and a Venn diagram. It's pretty bad. Obviously, Erica and Tom are not, you know, talking much about this right now because it's clearly going to be a big legal thing. But in this article, they have some kind of.

kind of new insights from, I guess, the legal community on the last few years and kind of where the problems had started for Tom. It was like back in 2015. There was this big issue. It seems pretty bad. And like if all of this evidence is actually real and like if if the stuff that seems like it happened actually happened, like people could go to prison. Like it's not. It's, it's pretty bad. I mean, I, in terms of season 11 of Beverly Hills, my kind of ideal goal right now in terms of what I think is realistic, I assume Erica's not going to be able to say much. And I expect that we're going to get basically like, I'm getting divorced. Like, there's this lawsuit. I can't talk about it. But I want the other women to talk about it. Like I want to see, I want to see the scene of when, you know, Doreet's in the car and she's, she gets a notification on her phone and then she facetimes Kyle and they're like, oh my God. Like we deserve that and I hope you give it to us. I don't know how much in detail we're going to get, but like how can you not talk about this?

I know, but I did have a thought this morning. I shouldn't say it because I don't want to manifest it. But I was like, what if this gets to the point where Erica like doesn't like stops filming, you know, but then I was like, you know what? No, because that's a different part of her life. She still could need the show. She could do her like Erica Jean focus on that as opposed to like her marriage, which she doesn't really focus on in the show as it is.

It's, I mean, I think the kind of criticism of Erica that a lot of people have had is that she doesn't really focus on anything that much that's going on in her life. She's obviously brought certain things onto the show and talked about certain stuff sometimes, but she's not a housewife that has had. sort of a personal storyline for a lot of the time she's been on the show and that has been something that some people haven't, you know, appreciated. So I think it'll be if we, it's one thing when we don't know what's going on in her life and she's not talking about it. But now that there's this kind of huge elephant in the room, first with the divorce and then with all of

this legal stuff, it's like it's going to be extra frustrating if they try and brush it under the rug because we already know what's going on. Right. You know. You cannot hot, you can not hide from us, okay? Like we can know everything. I fully understand if it's like we can't fully discuss what's going on, but like we have to acknowledge it. Correct. Okay, we need to talk about our shows today. But I also want to just mention and we'll obviously talk about it next week is the Southern Charm reunion that they filmed and their fashion choices, I should say. I don't even want to acknowledge it, but we have to. I, I don't understand. I don't understand. most of the outfits.

Madison is a smoke show. I have said this before. Who let her wear that dress? She looks better when she wears jeans shorts. Yeah, jean shorts and a white tank top. Like, she looks flawless. And Catherine is, Catherine is blonde.

And I, yeah. We also, I believe, I believe OC is taping their reunion today. So we're getting down to the wire on both of these shows. This episode, is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session.

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And I, when I first found out they were going to Lake Arrowhead, I was like, my ideal scenario would be if Dana Schroeder, like, came knocking at the door to try and, like, weasel her way on to Real Housewives. Because of quarantine, I don't think that's going to happen. But, you know, a girl can dream. I want to go to Lake Arrowhead very badly. It looks, it's beautiful. It's so scenic. But we do see that Emily can't go. It's not what we're accustomed to though for a housewives trip.

Exactly. But we see that Emily can't go on the trip because she tested positive for COVID. So. Yeah. So Emily, both Emily and Shannon don't go on the trip. Shannon because all of her daughters have COVID. Emily, because she has COVID, but she has no symptoms. Or I guess she says she has no energy, which is a symptom.

But she's not like, she's not like really ill. But Shane is not doing well. And later in the episode, she takes him to the hospital. And obviously we know Shane is okay now, but he seems like he was really going through it for a while over the summer. Yeah. And it's really scary because if you think about being in Emily's shoes, for a second. Like she has three little kids. She has COVID.

They can't have help come into the house. Like so it's like a lot. It's a lot. And she's taking care of everybody. But it's funny looking at Shannon. Um, yeah, Shannon because her three daughters have it.

She doesn't. And it's almost funny because she took it so seriously. And she's like, see. And I feel like her daughters like feel bad somewhat. I hope her daughter's not really bad somewhat. Yeah. I mean,

I, it's the kind of thing. where like I can't say for sure if I was a teenager when all of this was happening like how I would have acted if I would have been following all the rules

but clearly a lot haven't you know like Shannon was trying to set all these rules and clearly they weren't followed and you know there's only so much you can do but it definitely seems like some poor choices were made

right when Emily FaceTimed Kelly and told her that she wasn't coming because she had COVID Kelly's reaction I was like Yeah, this is real. See, people get the disease. It's the disease. The virus. It's real. She was like, wait, you do? Like, as if it was like a light bulb went off that she knew someone that actually got it.

Yeah. So a couple of them mentioned how they thought Emily had been really careful. And so they were surprised that she had caught it. But I don't know. In the context of these, this group, I don't know what really careful kind of the, what their threshold is because I would say that these women overall have not been super careful. And I actually think it's interesting we get a little COVID drama in this episode because before Bronwyn shows up to Lake Arrow had the other women are talking about this video that they saw of her and Sean at a pool with other people, not wearing masks. It's interesting. Obviously, I don't think Kelly and Elizabeth are the ones to be police. COVID activity, but it's interesting that they are kind of having these discussions,

because that's kind of how I feel when I'm on social media and I see something someone posts and I'm like, do you, do you know, like, do you know what's going on right now? But at the same time, it's like, Elizabeth thinks the virus is manmade. So like, what is she talking about? Dude, I can't talk about her anymore. We'll get to this conversation that they had. But when she was like, I grew up, like, they're talking about white privilege. and she was like, I'm poor and like, but I'm driving around my Ferrari.

And I was like, no, you're so like tone deaf. It's ridiculous. You just don't participate in the conversations. Everything about her makes me like itchy. Like, so, okay, so we're going to like Arrowhead. Bronwyn is clearly a little stressed because it's her first kind of trip like this, not drinking. And she's been, I definitely, I think it's an interesting dynamic that for most,

of the time she's been sober, she's been in this quarantine bubble basically where she's, she doesn't have alcohol at her house. She's not seeing a lot of other people. She's not going out or anything. And this is kind of like a test being in this house where when she walks in, there's like five million bottles. I don't even know why they had that much alcohol. Okay. I have some thoughts on this. And, you know, I tend to agree yet disagree with my own thoughts, but here's what I'm thinking. She's entitled to go to this getaway, obviously. But because this is so new for her, it is a test. You're right. And it is going to be hard. However, when she had her vow renewal, it was absolutely respectful for the women not to be drinking in front of her.

That's fine. But when they go on a on a girls trip, they're also entitled to drink and have fun and not not like tiptoe around her. So in that case, I was like, well, you know, like they could tone it down a little, but they went away, like to party and two have fun and to have a girl's weekend. Bronwyn was being strong and was, you know, I thought it was great that she didn't stay there. She was leaving because she wants to go to sleep at 10 p.m. Like not when they start partying. So it was like I see both sides of it, but at the same time, I feel like the women shouldn't be penalized in this situation for drinking and for having fun. Yes, they did have a lot of alcohol. Yeah, I think it's all about a balance. I don't think anyone, Bronwyn included,

it would say, like, these women shouldn't be drinking on the trip. I do think it's a little bit like having all the bottles, like, laid out on this. It's like, you can have an alcohol cabinet. Like, you can have it in the fridge, but like there was, the way they, it felt like almost deliberate. And I was like, why is it like this? So this episode, I would say is light on drama, but the one kind of, the one kind of like simmering source of drama we have is this ongoing situation with Elizabeth where Bronwyn was like doing this digging about her and now Elizabeth has found out about it. And so from Emily, because she's a shittster that no one really talks about. Emily is, Emily is like an under the radar shitster. But some, but some, the thing is,

I feel like a lot of the time shitsters are like the best housewives. And for Emily somehow, it just like doesn't quite click. Like she doesn't. You, you like forget that she was involved at the end of the day rather than being like, yes, queen. But so Elizabeth is obviously unhappy about Bronwyn doing this. And you would think that when Bronwyn shows up,

she would, you know, confront her. But at the end of the day, she's like, you know, no, we've been having such a nice time. Like, it's, it's okay. And it's like, Elizabeth, why do you think you're on this trip right now? Start the drama. Come on. Right.

And it's, it's great because you do wonder, not wonder, I guess, like, why Bronwyn did do that. But a lot of people, I know, research other people and like get down to it. Why? I'm not sure because like it doesn't affect your life. I don't know. But it is true. Bronwyn, if you're going to research it, they both need to bring it up to each other. I feel like Bronwyn, if you're going to research it, bring it up to Emily.

Elizabeth, she doesn't bring it up to you. And Elizabeth be like, if that were me, I'd be like, why the fuck are you Googling me? Right. Like, why are you looking at my home foreclosure history? Like, that's shady. And I don't think Bronwyn was wrong for doing it. But I think Elizabeth should confront her. Yeah.

She's like, I don't think she has as much money as she says she does. And like, no shit, Bronwyn, like, that took you to Google that to figure that out. Like, are you kidding? She's not a billionaire. So Bronwyn. shows up and the other women are talking about Shannon and her whole like COVID situation and how she's stressed out. And Bronwyn sort of immediately is like, I don't want to talk about this. And like goes outside. So she's not in the room. And she for some reason is suddenly like very

averse to any kind of talking about Shannon behind her back. And I again, it's one of those things where I'm like, do you know what show you're on? Like do you know this? situation you're in right now. Like this is what happens on real housewives. Dylan and I are begging to get on the show like in general. It would be our last choice, but bring us on to like start the drama. We could do it. We could do it. But it's weird because these women are no strangers talking shit about each other. Then all of a sudden you're thrown into a house and like, I can't say anything. I can't talk about it. It's like what's happening? For maybe the only time this season, I think I sort of agree with Kelly when she's like, you didn't have a problem talking shit to Tamara last season when it was about me. Like, it's just so, it's so like nonsensical to act like you're above talking about someone behind their back on housewives when it's like that is literally the whole concept of the show. Kelly had no, no thought to not talk about Bronwyn while she was standing in front of her while they were at the beach and they were all kayaking doing whatever.

and paddleboarding and she facetined Shannon to let her know what's up. And it's so crazy to me because if this were me, I know we always say if this were me, blah, blah, blah, walk away or like, here's the thing. She turned over on her stomach midway through the conversation. So like you couldn't see who was coming. So Bronwyn came and like she didn't stop talking about her, but she didn't use her name. So I was like, ah, I see what you did there. Kelly. Like she kind of, she kind of like was cool about it. but Bronwyn knew exactly what she was doing. And Bronwyn already feels uncomfortable there. And now it's like 10 times worse.

I have to say Lake Arrowhead is beautiful, but this beach is so sad. There's like there's like little like weeds all over the sand. Like it it doesn't look nice at all. They weren't like at the beach beach. I feel like they were at like the dock like in the backyard where like it's not taken care of. I mean I've been to a beach at a beach at a little. lake, it's usually not that nice. Like, that's not, like, it's not the prettiest beaches.

Whatever, they're doing their best. So I guess, I don't know, we get back inside and they're having this conversation about Black Lives Matter and stuff. And again, surprise, surprise, Gina is suddenly the, you know, shining beacon of reason in this cast. And she is, you know, talking about how she can understand the conversation. about police brutality and white privilege because last year when she was arrested, she was stressed out because of the situation and what was happening,

but never because it never crossed her mind that she could be unsafe because of the police involvement. And I thought that was actually like a really, a really good understanding from her. And for her to, it's a good way for her to explain that it's like, if there's even a chance that it would have gone differently if I was not white, that's not okay. And I think, you know, that's the kind of thing where she has learned something. And, you know, it clearly Kelly and Liz are not quite on the same page. Yeah, I'm telling you, like, well, Gina has really stepped up her game this season.

Like in the beginning, I felt a little different. But now I'm like, you know what? She's like the most level-headed, it seems. It seems so far. But Bronwyn was saying how we have to have these uncomfortable conversations until they're not, until they're not uncomfortable anymore, which I got, I liked that how she said that. But with this group of women, like a conversation turns into an argument. And not just these women, with everybody.

And so you have to let each person speak and share their feelings and then talk. And with them, it's just like that's not going to happen. And unfortunately. Yeah. I appreciate that they are that they are bringing up these topics on OC. But unfortunately, this is just like not the show that is going to have the most, you know, inspiring discussion about police brutality. but it's important that they are talking about it

and I appreciate that they're not just like you know editing this out or pretending it didn't happen yeah so that's that's OC we're still at Lake Arrowhead next week we'll see how it goes Southern Charm meanwhile we're dealing with now at least none of the cast has COVID anymore so nobody's in quarantine which is nice Shep and Taylor are not going super smoothly

after coming out of quarantine though Well, it's so, I feel like I want to like them so bad. And, but their relationship seems so awkward to me. It's like whenever they walk into a room with each other, it's the first time they've seen each other and they're meeting. And I'm just like, aren't you guys dating? Like, don't you, don't you have feelings for each other? It's like, hey, how you doing? And I'm like, come on, give some more affection.

And then when she, like, he joked about making out, she just, like, laid on his chest. I was like, they didn't even kiss. Like I want something. I get when you say it's like I want them to work. It's like I guess like if they're happy, I want them to be happy together. But like I feel like we don't actually know anything about Taylor. We've only actually seen her on the show for a few episodes. So I'm like, I don't actually know if they have much in common, if they even like know each other super well.

And so I like that Shep seems like he's trying to put an effort and be, you know, an adult in a relationship. but I'm not going to pretend that I like really care about Shep and Taylor's love for each other. Like, whatever. Yeah, okay. That's true. I see what you're talking about. No, I mean, I want, I like that Shep is being an adult in a relationship, but it's like, Taylor is not someone that I'm like rooting for at this point because.

Yeah. She's a stranger. She's a, we don't know her. But we have to just, you know, talk about for a just a smidge. is this Leva and Catherine and Danny, it's still going on. Catherine is still walking around with her jewel and smoking it. And I'm just like,

girl, put it down. Like, I can't. She's so, I want to find the right word to describe her. But I don't know. Maybe ignorant is, is right for right now.

I don't know. She just feels that she's in a fairy tale land and nothing is wrong. And she's like, I did nothing wrong. Like, I don't know. Well, yeah, I mean, so obviously in terms of the initial like Instagram comments and DMs, whatever, like that she's just completely head in the clouds won't accept that there was any possibility that she did something wrong. And then on another level, the whole issue with Danny, she's like, she has no idea why Danny's mad at her or has an issue with her is frustrated with her. She just like truly doesn't get it. And it just is the kind of thing where we've, it's been what, like, like three episodes now since this whole situation started. And it seems clear that Catherine isn't interested in trying to understand.

So it's like, I don't really want to hear you complain to Craig and Austin that you don't get it when you haven't actually like put in any work. And I think when Leva is talking to Patricia and Madison about it, I think she's spot on when she says, you know, I don't want Catherine to be canceled, jump off the bridge,

whatever, like, I want her to focus on herself and actually, like, look deeper inside, read a book, educate yourself, and actually, like, do the work to understand it. Don't just say, like, y'all are mad at me. I didn't do anything wrong. I don't get it. Like, try to get it. Put in the effort. Yeah.

And then Patricia says that the boys coddle her. And then later on, I'm watching It Happens Live with Craig and Austin. We're on there. Andy asked him about that. And Craig was like, I don't, we don't coddle her. Like, I'm just. whoever it is, if I'm friends with, I'm there for them. I don't like, I'm not going to like protect that person even though what they did was

wrong, but I'm going to be there for them. So he was like, I don't agree with that statement at all. Like, I don't. I mean, I don't like, whatever, Cottle. If he doesn't like that word, that's fine. But I will say, I don't think they're trying to hold Catherine accountable in the way that Danny and Leva are. And so it's certainly easier for Catherine to, you know, go and,

vent her frustrations to them than it is with the women right now, which I think, you know, if you don't want to say coddling, that's fine. But it's like, you're not really like holding her feet to the fire and getting her to, you know, make any changes or come to any understanding. So, I mean, Craig, get over it. I don't, I mean, whatever. I just think Catherine sucks, but it's what it is. Yeah, I mean, like, there's no, there's no, I can't, we can't talk about her. But we have Boys Day at Patricia's, which is like a super fun play date that I wish I was like kind of at. They have newspaper on the tables. We're doing a low country boil.

Okay, I have to say, so at the beginning of the day when they're setting up, it's raining outside. And then the sun comes out in time for the boil. I could like feel the humidity through the screen. I just like being in this like swampy backyard with this like hot boiling food. There's flies. I would be like sweating through my shirt in 10 minutes. I just know it. Yeah.

Well, it's funny because when we talked about this last week, we were like that we saw this was coming. Like we thought they were just getting like blacked out outside. But then like realizing now it's because Patricia doesn't want anyone in the house because the house is sterile. So I was like, oh my God, it makes so much sense when she was like pee anywhere. Like go outside.

Like stay outside. Right. They made it look like she was throwing like a rager for them. Yes. But of course, so there's a bartender, which I think is so funny when you have four people over to have a bartender hand you a beer in a bottle.

But of course, John Pringle thinks she's hot because I feel like he thinks anything walking is hot. Man, she is smoke. Yeah. So they had Austin brought his beer. And Patricia, who I've never seen drink a beer in my life, asked for a beer,

but she wanted the other beer, like the red stripe, particularly not Austin's beer. And she goes, I'm going to pour it in this glass. So nobody knows what I'm drinking. But like, again, Patricia, tell them what you're drinking, honey.

tell them you're not drinking Austin's beer. Patricia, I mean, of course I love Patricia on the show, but she is just like a little too petty sometimes. It's like, just let it just drink the fucking beer. Like nobody, drinking a can of tropop is not going to like make you like team Austin instead of Madison. And it's interesting. So when she sits down with Austin, they're having this conversation. And I, I don't know. I think that she's a little bit harsh. She's basically telling him like, you know, I wasn't a fan of you together. And I don't think love Trump's all.

And it's about timing. I understand where she's coming from. But at the same time, it's like this still doesn't really concern you. Not only does it not concern her. I know she's looking up for Madison because they're like, you know, best buds. But I'm sorry. I agree with Austin when Austin says basically why should he be taking relationship advice from her? Like was she ever in love or was it always about the money?

And I was like, oh, burn Austin. Because Patricia has been married, what, four times? I think four times, whatever. And so it's, they're young. Austin's 30 something years old. Like he's, this isn't, they're going through a breakup. It's. I will say, I do think the guys actually have some better advice for him when they're saying like,

it's clear like you're allowed to be upset, but it's clear at this point that she is, done. Like she doesn't like you like that anymore, whatever. That it's like Austin, his energy is still so focused on like proving himself to her or like showing her whatever. And it's like, I think the sooner he can get to the understanding that it's like it's over. I need to move on. Like that's going to be beneficial to him. Because I can't keep watching the like, you know, like she doesn't think I'm this man, but I am this man. And it's like, okay, maybe she just like said that, but just doesn't want to date you anymore. Right. Okay. So I need to know how you feel about this. When Austin brought that up to John Pringle because they haven't seen each other really and basically told John Pringle

that Madison is off limits sexually or relationship wise. What were, how did you, where do you stand with that? Okay. I am. I think I agree with Austin in this kind of, context because while I think the whole talking about like brocode or whatever like yeah okay that's stupid but I do understand that it's like he's not saying you know like I'll want like I'm going to have you killed if you go after Madison but it's like if we're going to continue to like hang out with each other I don't want you to date her and I think that's fair because Austin and John Pringle weren't friends before this season started filming It didn't seem like they knew each other really.

So it's like there it's not like some years long friendship that it's like you, it's me or her. It's like, no, just like if you're going to date her, I don't really want to hang out with you. And I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair also. But at the same time, John Pringle needs to like slow his role or he called that as a 43 year old. He said brocode. That's weird. But like, know your place.

Like that's really weird behavior. Also, they just, they just broke up. and he was hitting on her while they were still together. Yeah. It would be different if it was like a year after they broke up. And it was like we started talking and hit it off. But it's like you've been trying to get with her this whole time. So why wouldn't Austin feel weird about the fact that it's like, oh, you broke up.

Now I'm going to swoop in. Like that's kind of icky. Yeah. It's gross. But then there's something else that we need to talk about because I need to know where you stand on this too. Craig and Madison meet up. They are quote unquote friends.

They meet up to, you know, just reconnect and talk about where, where Madison and Austin stand. And Craig is telling Madison the only way is for you to walk away and to not talk to him anymore. And I was kind of shot. I was like jaw dropping shocked watching this conversation. I agree with Craig. I think they can.

still be in group settings together. I don't think it's like they need to never come into contact ever again. But if Madison is the one who's saying we're not right for each other, this is not what I want, it is, it's unfair of her to then turn around and call Austin when she needs someone to talk to or feels low. I feel like a lot of us have been in that situation where it's like, it's clear somebody doesn't want to be in a relationship with you or has turned you down or whatever, but then still kind of reaches out for attention. And it's like, I don't, I'm not, I don't want to just give you attention if you've like made it clear that this isn't a thing. Like, that's not, it's not fair to him. Right. Well, Austin. Yeah. Austin clearly is having trouble in terms of like

moving on and being over it. So at the very least, I feel like it would be, like, courteous of Madison to kind of let him have the space to do so. Right. And at that point, Craig was like, you need to like not talk to him anymore in Madison was like, okay, well, that's not going to happen. I'm not going to. But at the same time, I thought that was not Craig's place at all. I think that was absolutely ridiculous of him to do. Talk about Brocode. Like, you do not do what he did. I thought it was interesting again, watching them last night. And Andy even asked, they were like, Austin, how did you feel about that? Because that's just like not what your friend does. And Austin was like, Craig and Shep had to sit him down and tell him that they did that. They had this conversation. So he,

didn't find out from watching on the show because that's just like see I actually I didn't take it that way I don't know like I didn't watch watch what happens live but like to me it's like sometimes sometimes you don't know what you need when you're in a situation like you can't see it for yourself you can't as chef would say you can't see the forest for the trees um and so it's like so it's like sometimes I think your friend kind of has to see that and be like okay like I want Austin to be good. And for that to happen, like, Madison needs to stop calling him. But then again, maybe that's a discussion to be had rather than you just go automatically to Madison. I don't know. I think his heart was in the right place. I don't think Craig was being malicious. I think he was being

a good friend. But at the same time, like, that, I don't know, mind your, you and Patricia have a talk. This has been, wow, what fun recapping these episodes. Barry, tell us who you're number one, Bravo Leb of the week is. My bravo. The week. I don't know. My Bravo Leb this week is, shoot, I gave it to Whitney last time because he popped up there. I'm going to give it to Bronwyn.

I am because I appreciated her strength going to a girls weekend for the first time. That is very, very difficult. So that's going to her. What about you? I am going to go. with, I'm going to go with Austin this week. Guys we make this the hardest question that we've ever. We really do. It's not that deep. I forget who I say right after. I'm going to go with Austin just because I feel like he's kind of going through it and he's getting a lot of input from a lot of different angles. And I think overall he's dealing with it, you know, better than, better than maybe expected.

And I do have to say his outfit was very nice for the reunion. So I don't want to put him in my category. I think I just have a major crush on Austin. I'm sorry. I mean, Austin. Seeing him, seeing Kristen Cavalieri on his shoulders like that. Ooh. It was so hot.

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