Mention It All - Are Julia & Adriana Frenemies With Benefits? (RHOM, RHOSLC, RHOC)

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

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It is Friday, October 3rd, Mean Girls Day, Taylor Swift Day. I don't know if any of you have been listening to The Life of a Showgirl this morning. I listened through once to start to finish. This is not a Taylor's Day. Swift podcast. I don't want to get bogged down. And I certainly don't want any Swifties to be giving me a one-star review on Apple podcasts. But there's been better Taylor Swift albums. Let's just say that. And there have been, maybe there have been better weeks in the Bravo world, but this one was pretty good. Because we have Salt Lake City, you know, just another banger of an episode.

Orange County, I skipped Orange County last week. So we're going to get back into that. because, you know, Tamara's quitting again. Gretchen's up to her old shenanigans. You know, we're finding out who we can trust the least. It's a fun time to be on Real House Swipes of Forinch County. And then I'm just going to touch on the Miami reunion just a tad. We're going to get more fully into it next week, but I couldn't, I couldn't let this moment pass us by without talking about Julia's major, major reveal. But first, before we get into that, a couple little items I want to touch on.

First of all, I don't know if anybody is watching Special Forces World's Toughest Test. I, for one, am not. It's just to show that, I'm sorry, does not spark joy for me, and I don't feel that it's necessary for me to watch, so I choose not to. But this season, Teresa and Gia are on Special Forces. In the past, we've seen, you know, Jojo Siwa throwing Tom Sam. all over her shoulder and running. But Brittany Cartwright was also on this season.

And, you know, this is a show where they're basically cosplaying Navy SEALs. I don't know. Like, if you watch this and you enjoy this, I think that is awesome for you. Personally, like, I don't want to watch this. I don't want to see, like, if I want to watch people pretending to be solely, soldiers, I will watch Dunkirk. I will watch saving Private Ryan. Eh, maybe not. Dunkirk is great. I will watch Harry Stiles trudging across a beach, hiding inside a boat while the Germans are shooting it up. I don't need to watch Teresa and Brittany having some actor yell at them to, you know, haul ass on the

obstacle course. So Britney was on this season. It just premiered. And she, um, you guys, she quit on the first day. She quit on the first day. And look, I did not watch the full episode. So I don't know exactly what, I don't know what the challenge was. I mean, maybe it was real hard. I probably wouldn't be able to do that. But I'm not doing that.

I'm not signing up for it. So there's this clip of Brittany being like, I'll just get. And she's like, if you want to stop, then you can blah, blah, blah. She's like, I want to stop. And look, Special Forces World's Toughest Test does not matter, but this makes me sad for the sole reason that you know Jack's Taylor is going to enjoy this so much. You know that he was in Britney's ear or on Britney's phone, you know, blowing up the phone, blowing up the ring camera or the, you know, the nest or whatever. Before she went, like, oh, you're going to quit the first day. you're a special force in World's 7th and says, oh, you're going to fail.

And you guys, she failed. And there are a few things in this world that I like less than when Jack's Taylor gets proven, right? And so I just, Brittany, I'm sorry. I'm not saying I would have done any better, but like, mama, maybe that's, maybe that's something we turned down. Maybe that's an offer that we just say, you know what? The Valley's doing real good. It's going to be back for another season.

I got Bob and Colin calming up in a month. Maybe you don't need the special forces world's toughest test check. Teresa and Gia probably, I mean, they might need the check. But like, Brittany, you're doing so good, girl. The other thing I just want to touch on is like a weird random little thing that I noticed. And then I saw some other people talking about. So we have this show, Wife Swap, coming up in a couple weeks. I'm excited for it.

I think it looks fun. You know, the first episode is going to be Angie Kay going to some, you know, no electricity. rural part of Idaho. I can't wait to watch it, but they put out the promo for this season, the official, you know, the artwork, the cast photos, whatever. And I'm sorry, they have used old housewives cast portraits of these women rather than doing any kind of new photo shoot for this show. And I just got to ask, like, is everything okay? are the lights on, have we paid the con ad bill? Like, what's going on?

Because this is a show, this is a new show, a brand new show that is a revival, a spinoff of iconic reality TV IP that the network clearly has decided is an exciting direction to take the franchise, whatever. They've cast four, it's four women. It's four people. And clearly, based on the artwork that we, got, you don't even need to have the four women in the same room to create a cohesive cast photo shoot. So you have Angie in her purple dress from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, you know,

cast photo shoot. You have Wendy, I think in green from whatever she was wearing in the Potomac cast photo shoot. You have Emily Simpson in her like silver dress. And then the really the most egregious one is Melissa Gorga. In a photo that I went and looked it up because I was like, okay, all ready for housewives, they don't retake these photos every single season. So some of these women are in photos that have been used for two or three years. But Real Housewives of New Jersey, if you recall, has not even been on the air now in over a year.

So I was like, when is this photo from? They are using a photo of Melissa Gorgad that was taken in 2022. It is October 2025. Melissa Gorga has not been on Real Housewives of New Jersey for over a year, and they are using a photo that is three years old. Where is the budget? Are we okay? Because, you know, I was talking to my friend Gibson Johns about this,

and already we don't love that they don't take new cast photos every season. Like, whenever there's a new fresh batch of photos, it just gives the season like an extra ounce of energy and excitement. And it's like, wouldn't you just want that every year? But I get it. The photo shoots are expensive. I'm sure it's a logistical headache. These women, you know, we saw on Real Housewives of New York this past year.

Sometimes the cast photo shoot shit can go down. There's people that are fighting. Whatever. Fine. If they want to reuse the Housewives photos for two years, I don't really have a huge problem with that. but this is a new fucking show. And we can't even do a little, you know, the witches, the fairies, sorry, the fairies in

Sleeping Beauty when they're like, make it blue, make it pink. Like, you can't even like Photoshop the dress to look a little different. Like Angie's on Salt Lake City right now wearing that same dress. It just feels so cheap. Like, I'm losing my mind over this. And it's not something that's worth losing my mind over. But, you know, this is where we're at. And so, Wife Swap, I hope the show is great. But this doesn't feel like a vote of confidence from the network. Take a new fucking photo of Emily Simpson. I'm sure, you know, her hair is probably a different color. Like, Melissa, Gorka. She's probably, do you know how many, like, little adjustments you can have in three years as a housewife? You could have new teeth. You could have a new face. Your hair could certainly be different. You could have, you know, a brand new body. And they're using your photo from three years ago.

I would, I would sue. Remember on Real House of New Jersey how they were using Marge's picture with the little pigtails for like five years? It was like, she hasn't worn her hair like that since Obama was president. Anyway, I digress. Let's get into some things that actually happened on TV this week before I spiral out too much about cast photos or lack thereof. let's just let's deal with Miami before we get into into the other stuff. So at the end of this week's

reunion episode, and like I said, I'll talk about more of the reunion overall next week. But I just have to, I want to touch on this moment first. At the end of the episode, you know, they're talking about Julia and Adriana's falling out and how they've drifted apart. And Andy asks if Julia ever considered making Adriana the godmother of, you know, the baby boys. And she says no. And Adriana says that, oh, well, Julia was friends with Alexia. And that was okay because she didn't change. But then when Marisol came into the picture, then Julia went to the dark side. And of course, this is like Marisol and Adriana being at each other's necks for the 55th season in a row. But then Julia takes the floor. And she says, look, I would like to reveal a piece of

that I think will be illuminating. Adriana and I in the Hamptons, we slept together. You slept together? In the Hamptons, first of all, Rue, when was this? Like, out of nowhere, out of nowhere. And to a person, every single person, Andy, Larsa, Kiki, Gertie, Alexia, Marisol, Adriana, even, Lisa. Every single person on that couch is gagged, shocked, confused, horrified.

It is such a bomb to drop, and I just like, I don't know how I feel about this. First of all, I don't know how much I believe it. I mean, I guess this would be objectively a wild thing to just make. makeup. To fully invent a story when Adriana's sitting right there would be really, really, really crazy. And so I don't necessarily think that Julia's like that far from reality. But assuming this is true, it just feels super desperate to me. And it feels like Julia knows that however, this season has played out, it is not kind of falling in her favor. That even though she probably is more in the in crowd of this group than she has been before,

because she's, you know, as Adriana would say, gone to the dark side with Alexia and Marisol, it has not worked out for her in the court of public opinion and in the court of housewife fan enjoyment. Julia is definitely on the chopping block, I think, before next season. And it seems like maybe she knows that. And this reveal at the reunion is, it just feels like, you know, Roxyheart in an act of desperation. Like, I think that if this information is true, it's information that I guess I'm glad to know. but I just, I do feel weird about someone's alleged sexual or, you know, romantic entanglements kind of being played as a card like this.

And it's, it's a weird dynamic because in this equation, Julia is the one who's married. And she says after the fact on the episode that her, you know, Andy asks her if she and Martina have an open relationship. And she's kind of like, oh, well, I'm married. wasn't doing great. And so that's a little bit like, okay, so no. So you, so you cheated on her with Adriana or this was just kind of like an extracurricular little moment. There's some arrangement. Who knows? Obviously, in the past, we've kind of, this has come up because Julia and Adriana were so close. And it was always kind of like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, yeah. No, no, that's so silly.

all of a sudden it's like, wait, no, like, what is the truth? First of all, when was this? Second of all, what is the truth? Third of all, why are we talking about it now? Because even for Julia to say, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to say something, and this is going to make everything make sense. I'm like, I don't know that it does. Is Julia implying that Adriana was, like, obsessed with her, that this is some fatal attraction situation where, you know, you know, she, in a moment of weakness or in a moment of, you know, Martina being annoyed with her,

she gave Adriana what she wanted and slept with her once. And then now Adriana can't handle that she has other friends and is like, you know, obsessed with her. Or is she just saying that this explains why she wouldn't make her the godma? It's just like, I don't think that this reveal. I think it's shocking. and I think it's a big splashy reunion moment the way that Miami is good at doing. But I don't know that in a strategic sense, I don't know that it's doing what Julia thinks it's doing. Which, like I have said, I'm not sure exactly what that is, but I just, I'm not sure that it's landing 100%.

I think that it's going to get a lot of attention this week. but beyond that, it is kind of like, okay, yes, and, like, who, I mean, who among us has not slept with a friend and then kind of questioned whether it was a good idea after the fact? Let he who hath not done that, I don't remember the second half of that, you know, just like making a mountain out of a molehill. Sometimes these idioms are kicking my ass, just like they're kicking Whitney Rose's ass. tough tough tough stuff i'm i mean i'm so curious to see kind of what direction the rest of this miami reunion is going to take after this reveal because this was part one of three so we've got

two more hours of all of these women being locked in a room together and i'm scared i'm little skirt. But let's leave Miami there for now. Adriana, best of luck to you. Good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordi Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free.

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because she has an A-list party coming up at the Vita Lounge, and no one else in the group understands that when you do big things, you're eventually going to get sued. And so she is busy, you know, while Whitney Rose and Bronwyn and, you know, and Angie are, you know, mopping up crumbs and, you know, taking whatever they can get, Lisa is like making sure that Steve Carell is going to have the sickest VIP table and that he's going to have great service at the Vita Lounge. I'm watching this.

I'm like, wait, is Steve Correll at the Vita Lounge? Does Steve Correll know about Lisa Barlow? Because if he does, I mean, Steve Correll, you're welcome to come on the podcast whenever. But like, I think with Lisa, it's like all of these celebrity name drops are happening. And it's unclear, you know, there was the Ben Affleck thing on the season premiere. And I love that Angie calls out. She's like, she says she's at Ben Affleck's premiere party. But on Instagram, the only thing that she posts is these weird like AI filtered photos in a hotel room. And so it's like, okay, where's Ben Affleck? I am super curious. I would love to get like some perspective

from someone who's not on the show and doesn't have an agenda of like how delusional is Lisa Barlow. on a scale of 1 to 10, on a scale of 1 to Sherry Whitfield, how much does Lisa actually like walk the walk that she talks? Because I'm like, if all of these people, I mean, she rattles off a list of celebrity names that are going to be coming through at the Vita Lounge. She's like, yes, so Steve Carbell's table is going to be over here. And then we're going to have, you know, this person's going to be in the VIP. And it's going to be totally sick.

And I'm like, if that's real, I mean, like, if Steve Correll's like, hey, Lisa, see you at Sundance every year. How's it going? Like, that's cool. But I don't actually know that that's real. Anyway, we get some good, like, family check-ins this episode, the scene with Angie and her dad, my poor little heart. He's talking about being in Greece when he was a kid and the soldiers came to the town. and all the like trauma that he went through and Angie's talking about how close she feels to her heritage and that when she goes to Greece she feels like she's home.

I mean, just beautiful stuff. I wish that I had that much connection to like my cultural heritage because I just think it's like so, it's so lovely. And I love that Angie is like really trying to pass that. down to her daughter because that's something where like it's it's hard to like preserve that from generation to generation when you don't live there. So that was sweet. I mean, Angie's dad just like, what a guy. I would love to hang out with Angie and her dad. That sounds nice. But we got a really a fascinating scene with Bronwyn and her mom. Bronwyn and her mom, first of all,

just like copy paste. They look the same. I mean, obviously Bronwyn's mom was like older and like, you know, Bronman looks great. But they both have the Bob. They both have the same facial expression. Her mom is like, just seems like she, you know, has a lot of, a lot of shit to say under the surface. But they're, they're really in a tough position because Bronwyn's dad has Alzheimer's and basically doesn't remember her or know her as an adult. She thinks that she's still you know, a young adult, a teenager, he sees Gwen and thinks that she's Bronwyn and thinks that Gwen is still a little kid. I mean, just like absolutely brutal. But so both of Bronwyn's parents were living with her, but then now her dad has gone to live in a facility. And so she feels some,

you know, complicated feelings about that, which is really tricky. And her mom is going back and forth between Salt Lake and California to clean out the childhood home. And there's all of these, you know, papers and stuff in her dad's office that haven't been touched in two decades. Just like a really complicated situation. But amidst all of this, you know, Bronwyn feels, has complicated feelings about choices she made and whether her dad was proud of her and all of this. Obviously, she had her daughter quite young. And her mom says something to her that is like, oh, well, you know, you made it through the tough times and you couldn't have done. it without Todd. You know, I don't think you could have done all this with, with, you know, no money.

And it's kind of like, damn, mom, like, okay, I thought we were, I thought we were having a nice moment. And then it's like, it kind of, you see where it comes from with Brownwin a little bit. That it's like there's, I'm, yeah, there's love there. Yeah, there's, you know, there can be affection, but also, who, there can be some, some tough little knives hidden right under the surface. And I would love to see more of that dynamic. I think that meeting people's parents and seeing kind of what makes them tick is always super interesting on these shows. And I think with Bronwyn and Todd, we are still just kind of getting to, you know, the second or third layer. And I think it goes down a long way. I mean, there's a scene with Bronwyn and Todd, too, where they're, you know,

talking about stuff since last season and how, you know, Todd being like, oh, like, why do you want to be friends with Lisa and she's like, well, I just like, it's hard that she like doesn't like me. And he's like, well, a lot of people don't like you. It's like, oh, what? That's a crazy thing to just like casually throw out there. It's like, it's one thing to say like, oh, you can't be everyone's cup of tea or like, oh, you can't please the whole world. But it's like, oh, there's lots of people that don't like you.

Excuse me. Like, I thought I was doing okay. Bronman and Todd, I mean, I think that they have a. Fascinating relationship. I think it's interesting that Todd, you know, Bronwyn says that Todd has made changes since last season and since the reunion. It's interesting to me that one of those changes is not kind of like watching what he says on camera. Because this is the kind of thing where like if he's making changes behind closed doors that are positive for Bronwyn,

I'm glad to hear about that. But if he's still saying shit like this on camera, the public perception of their relationship is not necessarily going to reflect that. Just a thought. Meanwhile, Heather is making herself an office so that her bedroom can be a loved one. Woo! It's like we're crying with Angie and her dad. We're crying with Bronwyn and her mom. And then Heather's over here like, I got to have another room to write the book so I can have all the sex that I want. And I'm happy for her. I'm happy for her. Angie comes over. They're painting, okay, they're painting this office. room like it's a nursery. She's like, so I have better yellow, you know, Easter green, and sky blue.

It's like, this room is going to be hideous. But they're talking about Lisa. And I do like that we are getting a little bit more honesty from Heather in how she feels about some of the things that Lisa is saying and doing. Because, you know, that first episode when they were on the RV trip and then last week when Heather was, you know, kind of filling in Lisa. It's tough to see Heather just in this position of basically being like Lisa Barlow's lieutenant. And I want Heather to have a backbone. And I want her to be able to kind of be honest about things. And I liked that Heather was able to be kind of skeptical and frustrated with how Lisa is essentially saying that she's a baller business woman and the rest of them ain't shit. It's like, Heather has a real business.

She has brick and mortars, babe. We've been in the parking lot. And same with Angie. I mean, when Lisa later accuses her of using Jen Shaw's hair girl, she's like, no, bitch, this is lunatic fringe. Owned and operated, honey. I got my name on the deed. So I, you know, Heather and Angie are kind of frustrated with Lisa, and I think that this is, you know, a good thing. Because I think Lisa is great at being a housewife, but she is like not a woman.

always a great person, respectfully. And so I think that when we can be honest about that, it is a good thing for the show. But so Lisa is hosting this luncheon. And before the luncheon is a shooting party, but she only invites half the group. She invites everybody to the luncheon, but only half the group to the shooting, which is just like, okay, do there have to be guns? But so they go to lunch. And this is the Karen Hugar Press conference, 2.0, because they walk in and around the room on easels. we have giant foam boards that have been blown up, and it's pictures of legal filings with giant dismissed, you know, like red rubber stamps, photoshopped onto them, and, you know, lots of, lots of pages with no context.

And then also lots of photos of Lisa and John, just, you know, just because it's like there's a giant photo of them at a jazz game. And she's like, yeah, this is John and I sitting front road at a jazz game. And I love that Bronwyn's like, um, actually those are not the folding chair. That's not court side. There's, because it would be the folding chair. Okay, like Nancy Drew going over to the photos. There's a photo of them like super zoomed out on a yacht.

It's like, what is the reason? Why are we here? So Lisa tells us that this is litigation by Lisa Barlow and that she has brought everyone here today to show that, everything is dismissed and everything is denied. And the thing is, it's like, Lisa hosting this event. And it is, it's not just reminiscent of Karen Hugar's press conference in the abstract. It is pretty reminiscent of it, too, in the fact that Lisa is hosting this event that is, the stated purpose is to clear the air and to show everyone and convince everyone that this is all

a big nothing burger, that when you're doing a, you know, big nothing. baller boss moves like Lisa Barlow, you're going to get big baller, you know, litigation. And people can sue you for whatever they want. And if they see you with the Chanel bags, they're going to want to come and take them and they can sue you for them. But then it's going to get dismissed because there's no claim. And the thing that really is the most similar to Karen Hugar is that Lisa is not willing to engage with any actual questions or context that people are bringing up. whether they're bringing it up in good faith to try and understand what she's showing them,

or whether they're bringing it up to be shady and ask a gotcha question. Either way, Lisa is not willing to actually engage with any questions about her legal situation. She's going to, you know, point the big red arrow at the big red rubber stamp that she put in it on Canva. I'd be like, no, babe, so it's dismissed. And one of these claims, so apparently there's like, of the, you know, five lawsuits or whatever, all but one of them. it seems like have been dismissed, but there is one that is not dismissed yet. It might be it's not yet while they're filming this, but she is saying that it is. So one of the pages that she has printed out and blown up has a list of all of these claims and it says, you know, claimant or

whatever is denying this. Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny, deny. And so Lisa is trying to claim that denied and dismissed mean the same thing. And she's saying, look, it's dismissed. No, every single one says denied. And it's like, right, like, you denied it. But the judge or the mediator or whoever, they get to say when it's dismissed. It's like, yeah, like everyone in the history of the world has pleaded not guilty, has denied doing something. If anyone that denied something was then exonerated or allowed to go free, I don't think they would like that. You know, Jen Shaw for six months was denying what she did.

She pled not guilty until she did it. Now, I don't want to compare Lisa and Jen Shaw because that's a dangerous road to go down. But I just think by painting with such a broad brush and telling us that there's nothing we should be taking a deeper look at, Lisa is actually doing the opposite. of her intent. She is inviting more speculation. She's inviting more people to come and take a critical look at what is going on here because it seems like she is denying it so fervently without actually engaging with it. And I just don't understand. It's like, if you have seven lawyers, do you have one publicist that can tell you how this looks? If you have seven lawyers,

do you have one, you know, communications person who's like, hey, Lisa, actually, I think the better strategy here would be to, like, answer people's questions instead of yelling at them. But she's not really interested in that. I do love Heather's like, it's like a science fair, but no one did their project. But Angie's asking real questions, you know, and then the Jen Shaw thing comes up. And Lisa accuses Angie of wanting to be Jen Shaw. And this is when she says, you go to the same. hair girl. And Angie's like, no, baby, this is lunatic fringe. She goes, sorry, no, not hair girl.

I mean, brow girl, lash girl, nail girl, brow girl, lash girl, nail girl. Same as jazz. Brow girl, lashed girl, nail girl. I love, you know I love anytime the girls get brought into it, you know, like real house size of New Jersey, when Danielle was dogging her hair girl, that was one of my favorite things. But Angie says, baby, I've been going to the same brow girl for 14 years. Why? Because she's the best. That's what it is. I go to the hair girl. I go to the nail girl. I go to the brow girl. I go to the, so many girls. Angie goes to the best in the biz. And maybe Jen Shaw also went to the best in the biz. But Angie's like, baby, I've been had the best lashes in Salt Lake City. So you're not going to come for me for this. I think that's a losing strategy. I think that's a losing

on Lisa's part. It's like, Angie, say what you want about Angie. She always looks correct. Those brows on point. The hair, long and luscious, low body count, if you will. The nails, I don't remember what her nails look like, but I'm sure they're immaculate. You know, you can come for Angie for a lot of things. The glam is going to be on point. The grooming, 10 out of 10. But the episode really goes off the rails, if it wasn't already. when Whitney calls out Meredith for not speaking, for basically remaining quiet. And Meredith remained quiet on the RV trip. She's remained quiet amid all the questions about Lisa's business.

But the one time Meredith decides to pipe up is to speak ill of Whitney Rose and Whitney Rose's business acumen. And this is too much for Whitney. You know, they're screaming back and forth across the table. Lisa hates Whitney. Meredith hates Whitney. Whitney hates them both. It's a lot. The temperature gets really, really high. And it ends with Whitney, storming out. Storming out. And I don't know. I mean, she just merged Wild Rose Beauty into another entity and then now she's exiting because it didn't go well. I don't, the phrase entity just like really

unsettles me. I think because I've seen the last two Mission Impossible movies. And I'm like, Not the entity. AI's coming for us all. But Whitney, I mean, it's tough. Whenever Whitney tries to kind of like fight with the big dogs, I always, I worry for her a little bit. I don't know how the rest of the season is going to go for Whitney. I feel like she might have a tough time.

But that's, it's like a little spiky sense tingling. And I hope that she can get it together, you know. Lisa calls her, um, Lisa calls her a redhead. And she's like, you said redneck? It's like, no, no. Oh, we also got the Salt Lake taglines this week. A lot of them, not great, but Marys, I'm just here to eat, drink, and be merry. It's so good.

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I feel like I've been neglecting OC and I fear I'm going to do it again this week. But I have caught up and I, this season is in a weird place because obviously Katie has not been filming the last few weeks. Tamara said she was quitting after New Orleans and then came back. And then now this episode ends with her proclaiming to quit again. She leaves her own party, which is a little, they're at this, like, she's having like a spring fling. Tamara's party game is not the strongest, I got to say. She's like hanging fake flowers in the driveway. And then they're like piping frosting onto cakes.

I don't know. It's a little low budge. Not her fault. I guess her fault. I don't know. Whatever. But she is... Tamara's so done with Gretchen. After last week, this thing coming up of Gretchen saying she slept with a guy from redacted boy band. I've heard it's 98 degrees. I don't actually...

98 degrees? Don't quote me on this. It's been bleeped on the show, but I feel like whatever. So there's this like weirdness going to... on where, okay, first of all, I think that Gretchen Slade need to get fucking lives. Like, I, their entire performance on this season is just not landing for me. Last week, they took all the ladies to the self-defense class. They, not Slade, just Gretchen. She's like, all these girlies need to learn how to fight for themselves. And the way that this class began,

where half of the women get there early and they're inside. And then the other half, they stage a carjacking on these women who don't know what's happening. They're being yelled at to get out of the car. I'm sorry. If somebody did that to me, I would never speak to them again. How dare you? Like, what? Crazy.

Crazy. And for Gretchen to be like, I hope that Tamara was a little bit stressed. It's like, that is diabolical. However you feel about Tamara, Judge. I'm sorry. That was that, oh my God, I can't imagine. But now, you know, so when they were at the sleepover in L.A., Emily and Heather seemed interested in this recording that Gretchen said that Slade had of when Tamara was in the studio and then slept with one of the guys from whatever that band was. And she was cheating on Eddie and there was moaning on the recording.

And then Heather called Slade to want to hear it, but then they didn't hear it. But now Tamara, so Tamara's done with Gretchen. She doesn't invite her to the spring fling party, a dagger in the heart. But Tamara is mostly also frustrated with Heather because Emily is telling her that she, that Heather was not really taking her side with all the Gretchen stuff at the sleepover. And then Emily, God love her, Emily tries to be a good friend. And she tries to get in front of something that she knows will be hurtful if it comes from someone else. and she tells Tamara that when they were up to sleepover in LA, they were doing a little shady game

and they were asked who in the group they trust the least, very Marisol Patton, and that Emily and Heather both said Tamara. I mean, it's tough because it's like, would it be hurtful to hear that your friend said that about you? Yeah. I don't begrudge Tamara for being upset, but I also under, I mean, I think Emily is right. when it's like, no, like, not, like, I love being friends with you. I think you're amazing.

But also, like, if I told you something sensitive and then we had a falling out or you were mad at me, do I also feel like it might, you know, bubble up somewhere? Yeah. So, like, I don't know. That's why I said that I would trust you the least. And, I mean, Tamara, Tamara's day is ruined from this point out. You know, she talks to Heather later. And she's like, you know, how dare you?

and I didn't, you know, I felt that, you know, you weren't a good friend to me. And, you know, Heather says that Tamara was aggressive and it's not good. It's not good. And Tamara, you know, I have mixed feelings about kind of how Tamara has handled herself this season. But it is clear that she just isn't quite right. she isn't quite in fighting shape to be handling these situations and navigating through them that both in New Orleans and on this week's episode, she has gotten to this sort of emotional panic button and said, I can't do this.

And, you know, it's a little frustrating to watch because she is largely in situations of her own making. But on the other hand, if she is in an emotional state where she needs to remove herself from these situations, so she doesn't, you know, completely spiral out or have a, you know, a worse reaction, I respect that choice. And so, you know, it's frustrating for the second time this season to watch her be like, have a good season. I'm out. You don't want me? I'm out. Bye, bye. I'm leaving. I'm not filming. I'm quit. But also, I'm like, yeah, like, I, Do what you got to do. Self-preservation.

Fight or flight. Now, I'm a little nervous, like, what this actually means. Because it's like, if Tamara is taking a little time off, TBD, KD's not there. Gretchen's a friend of, I don't really care to see more of Gretchen. Suddenly, the numbers are looking a little slight. We've still got a trip to Amsterdam. Who's going to Amsterdam? him.

Gretchen, Katie. No, no, Katie, Gretchen, Emily, Gina, Heather, Shannon, Jen, Jen, who's son is passing out at the tattoo parlor? That was scary. I don't know. I just, I need the ladies of O.C. to buckle down and to strap in, and it's an all-hands-on-deck situation. We got to get their dropping like flies. we gotta get through the end of this season. And Heather, if Heather wants to do improv,

let Heather fucking do improv. She's taking a class at the groundlings. She's not auditioning for SNL. And I'm sorry, she was on sitcoms in the 90s. Now, I don't need Gina to go back and watch every episode and tell Heather that she was the funniest person alive. But when they're like, oh, I always pictured Heather

as more of a serious actress. It's like, from what? When did you see Heather as a serious actress? Heather Paige Kent was a sitcom girly. Annoying. Just like let her take a fucking improv class. Let her be on her Ariana Maddox journey where she takes sketch comedy very seriously. I don't even think she takes it very seriously.

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of this war of attrition, it seems. And anytime that early into a season, we have reached a point where things are this heated. I mean, this intense. Like, you have to be able to be able to to go somewhere. You can't... I was gonna say you can't start skiing at the top of the mountain, but in fact, you do start skiing at the top of the mountain. So that's not a good analogy. You can't start climbing at the top of the mountain. I don't know. I don't know why we're talking about mountains. I guess because they're in Salt Lake City and they're going skiing and there's mountains. But you know what I mean. Lisa and Bronwyn are... It's very entertaining to watch them yell at each other. It's very entertaining to watch the things that Lisa Barlow comes up with that come out of her mouth.

But we have to be able to like regulate the temperature just a little bit. And so I'm hoping that over the course of this, you know, long season, I hope it's a long prosperous season. I don't want it to be over any time soon. And, you know, we're only three weeks in so it won't be. I just hope that we can get a little bit of layers, a little bit of levels, you know, so it's not, we can't have the furnace on full blast. for 18 episodes. And I think that they know that. I think that deep down, they're going to find a way. Find a way. I mean, maybe. I think that they will be okay, though. Whether or not they become friends, look, I am not holding my breath for this. I think that certain people are maybe not meant to get along. And I think last season, all the debacle with Gwen's dad and things like that have

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I sat down with Aisha from Below DeckMed. New season of Below Deck Med started this week. It had been about two years since Aisha had been on the podcast, and it was so lovely to chat with her and catch up and talk about, yeah, the new season, but also, you know, yachting and life and reading and lots of fun stuff. I really enjoyed that chat. Whether you're caught up on below deck these days or not, Aisha's a great person to chat with.

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