Mention It All - Baby Gorgeous Is In The Building Ft. Lisa Barlow (RHOSLC Premiere)

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

The one and only Lisa Barlow stops by Betches HQ to chat with Dylan about the season 3 premiere of RHOSLC. They talk about why this season is a full-circle moment, and the toxic reason why new women haven’t been able to succeed on the show. Then, she recaps why she’s getting along with Whitney and not Heather, before getting into her deeply personal issues with Meredith. Finally, she shares her reaction to Jen Shah’s guilty plea, and what would make her leave the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention it all. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. I'm so happy you're here.

I know me too. You're the first Salt Lake City gal that we've had in a long time. We had Whitney, I think, over Zoom, like season one. But I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. You know what's funny is like Whitney and I, I don't even know how we got to that place,

but I feel like my frustration with Whitney back then was only about her idea of what I thought about her. It was never what I thought about her. And then it would irritate me because I'm like, that's not what I think. That's not how I feel. I think Heather did a fucked up job narrating me season one.

Literally, she set the tone for what people thought of me. and like her statements like she's a mean girl she's dismissive she's a bitch she's entitled she judges she all these things and that was as soon as i walked it didn't matter what i said or did that's what people thought of me instantly so yeah and i think Whitney being her cousin um you know like kind of was like loyal she had a very strong loyalty to heather and so i think that it was like okay it's yeah this is how it is right yeah yeah yeah yeah You know. Okay.

You can tell everyone we got right into it. But welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer and I am here today in the studio with Lisa Barlow. Hi, Lisa. Hey, how are you? I am so good. I'm better now that Salt Lake City is back on my screen. Oh my gosh.

It's so crazy being back. It feels like we haven't even been gone that long because season two was so long. It was. Like six months. You haven't been off our screens that long. And you guys have really, it's less than two years since your first premiere in 2020. And you're starting season three, you've really jumped right back into it. How are you feeling?

Are you exhausted? You know what? Just hearing you say that, I didn't even really realize. Like, we've got three seasons in like two years. It's crazy. And we had a pandemic in the middle of it. Yeah. Like, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you were filming. So we started. 2019 filming, the end of 2019 all through 2020, then the pandemic hit. And then we filmed during the pandemic. It's like crazy. I was just thinking this morning, because BravoCon is in a couple weeks, at BravoCon in 2019 was the first place that it was ever announced that your show was

happening. It is. Andy Cohen announced it. Everybody was like, what happens in Salt Lake? I don't know about that. And then you premiered like a year later. Everybody has loved it. You've, you said you feel like your franchise this season has really arrived. You're like in the big time now. Yeah. It's so full circle and you're going to be at BravoCon in a couple weeks. How are you? I know. It's, it's crazy because I'm like two years ago we were announced at BravoCon and now I'm going to BravoCon. This is our first BravoCon because of the pandemic. And it's kind of surreal. I'm really excited. Everyone's like you're going to love it. And like I feel like it's going to be great. It's like a cool way to connect with, you know, being on houseways is kind of like being in a sorority. And so like there's

all these girls and they have their own house. And then we're all kind of coming together. So it's kind of cool. I'm excited to meet some people from other franchises, the fans and just like kind of, you know, like this is my first time doing in person press too because we haven't been able to really do anything since we launched. I think you're going to thrive at BravoCon. Be prepared. Everybody's going to be like, hi, baby gorgeous, 24-7. Henry, Henry's like, you have to come up with a new name for me because everybody uses baby gorgeous now. He wants to be the only baby gorgeous. But I call him Angel Baby. I'm like, okay, Angel Baby. I'm like, okay, Angel Baby. Yes. Well, it's so, it's crazy. Speaking of Henry, I saw a flashback from like the very first episode of your show. He looks like a

completely different person. Like your kids are so much older now. We've gotten to know you and your family for a couple of years. What does it feel like being on for a third season and kind of growing into the show? You know, there's so many emotions that go into it. Like, you know, there's, it's crazy. It's cool. I realize it's like a unique opportunity. And I think being a mom and watching my kids grow up on like the show basically, like Henry literally, like Henry, does look like a different person. He had, I loved his buzz cut. I miss it. I miss it. But we were driving in the car and he's like, mom, I don't even know what color hair I have. Can I grow my hair out? So we're like, you can grow your hair out. But, you know, it's crazy like watching like the

progression of our show and how it's evolving. And when you really look at us as a cast as a whole, I think there's so much changing because we're getting to know each other better. Mm-hmm. And this season, the five of you are the five full-time housewives this season. And it really feels like now you're in your third year. The five of you have been on since the beginning, you really are kind of growing into that like OG status. What do you think about the fact that it is just the five of you this year? I mean, obviously you have some other women in the mix a little bit, but does it, do you feel that that it's like we are the ones who have built this? You know, yeah, I do feel like that because we've been in it since the pilot together. And, you know, we're growing. So many things are changing too. But you're growing as a cast. And I think that we're all, it takes a minute to figure it out too.

Like I think that me just being, you know, born and raised in New York, I have a different way of communicating than Heather and Whitney do growing up in Utah or Meredith in Chicago or Jen in Utah. Jen grew up in Utah as well. So it's just a different way of communicating too. And I think we're just figuring each other out. And I think for me, one of the things I figured out about myself is like I temper myself because like, you know, growing up in New York, you're like, that's none of my business. I see it. I hear it.

That's none of my business. And I have always naturally taken that approach. Like, you know, Whitney and I talked about it yesterday. I watched what happens live. And I had said, I don't care enough to judge you. she didn't take it the way it was intended because we grew up in different places and communicate differently. And I think now that we're understanding how we each communicate and what we mean by things, it's changing the dynamic. Yeah. I thought it was interesting. Whitney said on Watch What

Happens Live about about the fact that you guys are friends now, which we'll talk about, that it's not her being a flip-flopper. It's her getting to know you better and giving you a chance and kind of letting, you know, seeing how you actually are around each other. And you said, you've gotten to know everyone better doing three seasons now and we see the friendships have changed a lot and I'm sure that's I'm sure like watching it it feels like there's a lot going on so I'm sure being inside of it you're like okay this is not where I thought it was going to go but it's my life yeah it is and I think that like with Whitney she didn't ever really know me you know and I remember when we were doing the pilot like one one of the dinners was filmed at

Jen's house and Jen was literally like screaming at Whitney get the fuck out. And I remember just looking across the table and I felt really bad for Whitney because I'm like, where she's supposed to go? We're on top of a mountain and there's like, you know, she's not going down. So I think, you're like wearing a microphone. It's like we're not just like, you're not just like, you can't just leave. But I had DM'd Whitney the next day and I said, hey, I didn't get to know you, but, you know, I'd love to talk to you and get to know you. This is my cell number. Like, send me yours. And Whitney and I actually had like an hour-long conversation that was good. So when I started season one with her, I didn't know there was going to be that interesting

dynamic. And I do believe that most of it stem from Heather's opinions of me, which was strange to me because, you know, Heather's on the show because I recommended her and had that connection to Heather. So it took me off guard. I was like, what's going on here? Like, this doesn't make any sense. And it felt like targeted from the beginning.

And I think doing the show, I've seen this with other casts too, that it's like there's what's happening in real time while you're filming and your experiences in the room. And then you're doing your confessional interviews and you're being asked about all this stuff and having to remember. And, you know, the point is to talk about it. And then months later, it's playing out on the show. There's social media. There's lots of people in your ear and fans saying things and conspiracy theories. and all of that, that it's not as simple as just like, oh, I met this girl and I maybe will be friends. Let's see how we get along. Exactly. You know, I've always been really good, I think,

at saying true to myself, like in my feelings. And if I said something on the show, you know, most of the time, it's, you know, they're my feelings in the moment. And it's either out of her, it's out of happiness. It's out of something, you know, like there's an emotion evoking it. And I think that, you know, there's a lot that goes into it. And, you know, when you start, when somebody's nitpicking you and it's being pointed out, people start to fixate on it. And if it's something that you're like, that wasn't intentional, then it starts to fuel something, you know. And also it's like having the cameras there and, you know, the whole process, it's like you can say something that isn't even necessarily exactly what you meant or it came out the wrong way. but then everybody's going to run with it for the next six months.

Oh, yeah. Or forever. Yeah, and then it's turned into something that you never even really felt that strongly. It's just like, oh, I just like made a comment. And then now we're fighting about it on Twitter a year later. Exactly. And that's what happens a lot of times. And it's crazy. And, you know, this has been an interesting journey. I don't mind.

I like it. I think it's a good one. But it's tough. I don't think people realize how tough it is. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame, and Free People. Join the Nordi Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more.

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This is a loaded question. You know what I think? I think Utah's tough because you have a lot of people there. And, you know, I talk about it this season. They'll air kiss you and stab you in the back. It's on a level I've never experienced before. where I don't think people know how to be real friends. And I think that that's a problem.

I think it makes it hard to like add anybody new and. And I think that if you live your life based off of perception, not reality, I mean, that's sad. And I think a lot of people do and see things for what they do and say things based on what they think people are going to think or feel about them instead of just being themselves. Yeah. It's like there's a lot of maybe like judgmental energy. so you do something that feels like it's going to be looked upon positively,

but then that's not something you can build or lasting. Yeah, no, because you're not being authentic to yourself. And I think when you're living in that space, it's like hard to connect with people. And I think it's hard to become deep friends with people. You know, you'll see some things hopefully, because you never know what's going to make it, that I even like where I want real resolve with Heather

and I know what that's going to take. And I lay it out for. I'm like, this is what this is. And it's not sustainable. So, you know, it's the truth. In the premiere, it seemed like you and Heather were kind of getting off on a good foot this year. Yeah, we do. You know, the thing with Heather and I is we stirred off on a good foot.

And then I don't know where it goes sideways, but it always goes sideways. But you don't feel like it's coming from you when it goes sideways. No, I don't. I don't. I don't. I feel like. I feel like it's not. Okay.

Yeah. And I think I don't want to give too much away, but I think you'll kind of start to see. Right. And it's, I think you'll understand, you know, like intentions and what people do. Like, I mean, let's go back to the reunion real quick. You know, Heather's sitting across from me. And it was a tough reunion because Mary wasn't there. And then the high mic moment became the focus of the reunion.

And then it was like, let's all pile on Lisa. And in one part of the reunion, Heather's, says she like something about her dad's memorial and me texting her after and that wasn't true and when you say things like that and you um when you lie to hurt somebody because it felt like it was like I'm going to pile on this too and I'm going to say this it you know it you know it's a problem well we know we know you like to roll footage I do like to roll footage when there's something that's being brought up that wasn't captured on camera or on a hot mic, it's harder to kind of fact-check that or for people to question it. Whereas,

you know, your kind of maybe least flattering moment was right there on camera. So everybody was able to just kind of bring it out there. They sure did. And they still, they still are. Sign t-shirts, mugs, coffee cups, tumblers. Yeah. And it's, I mean, now we see in the next season premiere, it still is kind of one of the driving forces. And certainly like you and Meredith have stuff to work through and stuff to work through. You know,

I'm normalizing garbage horror. Like if my sister doesn't call me back in like three hours, I'm like garbage horror. If John is like late picking up me for something, I'm like garbage horror. Like, I mean, just normalizing garbage horror.

Yeah. You know, I mean, we all have moments like that in that moment too was for me because I'm going to speak for me and not have anyone guess. That moment was for me. I had a lot of hurt. and like I was keeping it to myself so I to protect my friend and because I didn't want to be

upset with my friend or have problems with my friend but it didn't just happen overnight like it wasn't that moment I I was hurting and that dinner was the last draw I got up and I'm like I'm so done I'm done you know and no one's really asked me like how did you get to that point what was it that got you to that point but it does become a huge thing huge thing in season three. Yeah. And you were saying on watch what happens last night that not only it was it on the sprinter van to that trip. There was all the stuff that was happening. And a lot of the stuff that you said in that Mike moment was kind of straight out of Jen's mouth. Yeah, hyperbolic regurgitation on the trip. And it's interesting that Meredith

seems to be more focused on you saying it versus where you might have heard it. A hundred percent. And I think too, like look, let's look at that. trip to Zion's. Like, I was on the van. We were laughing having the best time. Jen had her microphone. We were like, it was a good, we were in a good space making jokes about quick, let's get out of the parking lot. And then literally from laughing to, I didn't know if Jen was kidding, screaming at me about my friendship with Mary. And it's so cut up because it went on for so long that you don't get to see the whole thing. But I was defending Meredith. And I was like, I've been family friends with them for a long time I'm not choosing.

I'm not choosing sides. Like, you know, and Jen knows I've never talked badly about Meredith to her. And no one can say I have. The hot mic moment was a hot mic moment, but outside of that, I've never talked badly about her. And it was too much. Like with Jen, like, we're going to fight. And then, you know, we get down there and the tension was thick.

Like, there were moments of things that were good. But a lot was said in Zion. And I'm not going to repeat all of it because I'm going to save a little. bit of it for when we're all in a room together. Yeah. And, um, meaning my cast, like all in a room together and confront it head on. But, you know, those were my words. And, you know, Jen had said, um, it's not my fault. Your friend cheats on her husband and went into like that. And it kept dropping it so many times that it was just in my head. And like, you know, that first dinner was rough. It went on forever. It was, you know, a lot. And, you know, the next morning was even worse when

Meredith got up and then accusations were being thrown at me that weren't true. And that's when I started to get really upset because I'm like, I'm your friend. I've been here for you. I've been supporting you. I stayed up with you till five in the morning and you weren't making these accusations about me. So that's like another layer added on and another layer until I got to my boiling point. I'm human. I'm human. I did rant. I do rant at home too. I'll go in my room and I'll be like, where's my fucking packages? Like, you know what I mean? I will say as a viewer, that was one of those trips where it's like I would rather be

anywhere else on the planet than in that house with them because it just, you could tell that it was so just uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. And it felt like every individual dynamic was uncomfortable. You all were kind of just like ready to have a break maybe because it was at the end of the season. And like, it was just, you could tell that it was kind of grueling to be there. Well, it was so intense.

Like when you watch when Meredith's arriving, Whitney and Heather go hide in their room. You know, I mean, Mary walks in and that's a totally different energy. And then coupled with everything, how do you go from that van ride? I was like, my nerves were shot to hell. Like, by the time I got off that van, I was like, get me the fuck out of here. And then Patina having her mother earth ceremony, that kind of. calmed me down a little bit. I'm like, okay, I feel centered. Like, I like feeling centered, but it was a lot, you know, and there was no grace given either. And I take full responsibility

for what I said, too. Like, it came out of my mouth. I repeated it. So I'm responsible for it. But, you know, we both seasons you've had these moments, Vitina at the, you know, the desert spiral, Kimberly, the psychic at her house in Vegas. It's like, we got to, we got to cut it out with the energy healing. No. I think that. that's a personal thing and we should practice personally. You'll see more coming. Yeah, if Bravo loves anything, it's throwing like a psychic or a faith healer something your way. Well, what happens in Arizona? I was nervous for. I was literally like, I don't know if I want to have this experience with, you know, in a group setting. You'll see. We see you in the premiere. You're talking about

going on this trip to Arizona. And I have to imagine that when you're getting, getting ready to start filming again. Obviously, you know that the trip is going to happen. Do you have to like mentally prepare yourself for like, okay, we're back in the saddle. I'm not getting along with everyone. And it's going to be whatever three days it is. Yeah, there's definitely mental preparation. You know, I feel comfortable going on those trips because I'm like, all I have to do is be myself. And if it's not liked, it's fine. But I just have to be myself, but preparing for that trip after like, you know, Jen's party for Sharif and the way, you know, Seth and Meredith were reacting to me. I'm like, okay, that's not going to be,

like, that's just not going to be my person on this trip. Yeah. So, you know. It's been, it's been tough watching your journey with Meredith because obviously it seems, I think you, it's safe to say you guys had sort of the most history prior to filming. Yes, for sure. And, and, you know, It just just felt like for whatever reason you guys, you know, can't get on that good path with each other again. I've tried. I've honestly tried. I tried all season two. I was constantly trying to make, you know, we're a group.

Like you can't, you have to work through things. You can't just be like, nope, not going to be around them. Nope, not inviting them. You can't do that. Like there's moments for that. But then it's like, how do you move forward? How is there resolve? You have to resolve things.

Like in, I mean, fourth wall, Like when you're on a show with people, you either have to figure out a way to move forward or you got to figure out if this is even right for you. Right. And watching season two, I, you know, like I rewatched it because I want to like improve myself, meaning like, what am I doing wrong? Like maybe I do some things that are irritating or, you know, I enjoy watching just like constructively criticize myself.

Like, oh, maybe I should have listened more. Maybe I should have, I could have been a better friend here. I should have been more outspoken in this situation. But I really tried hard, season two, to bridge some things with Jen and Meredith. And you even hear Heather, when we're on the Zion trip, say part of the reason Jen didn't go so hard for Meredith or even harder for Meredith is because of Lisa

and because she knows Lisa will have nothing to do with her. And I think that, like, when you really look at the show as a whole and like what my goal was was to like get them back to a place like after ice fishing I'm like okay good we can move forward and it just doesn't ever stay on that track and I felt punished for being Jen's friend like the whole season yeah and it's going into this season obviously you have the the hot mic stuff to address and I think you know that going into the season that this is going to be something you have to you know eat the humble pie and do what you need to do but I I imagine that watching the premiere back, it's tough knowing that even before you had had that

first conversation with Meredith, that she's already bringing up stuff about you on camera. Yeah, it's total retaliation. And, you know, Meredith has a law degree, so she also understands intention. So her intent is to denigrate my character, my family's character, go for my husband. And, I mean, that's not going to heal anything. You need to go to mediation or something. something. No. Not interested. Not interested. No. And you know what? The big thing for me is I have an amazing husband. And I, John and I work together, but we own things on our own too, right? And so, you know,

just watching that, I'm like, now when you want to calm out with like, what did she say at the reunion that there was so much hate? Well, apparently Meredith does hate me. And I also realized that before the hot mic moment, Meredith was talking really badly about me. I could feel it. I didn't like know exactly what was being said. But I think she had started saying pretty nasty things about me way before, like the finale, way before Zion. And Heather talks about it in her housewife after show.

Yeah. How, you know, Meredith's PI is like finding all the stuff on me. But there isn't anything. So I'm like, good luck. I can tell you do your research. you're like citing Heather's after show. I have a great memory. I have a great memory, except for when I'm upset.

John's like, when you get upset, do you remember like the things you say? Because like I get upset and I just like probably say some things that like even like some of the things like on the show like I'm like, oh, that's funny. But like when it's actual situations that are impacting and affecting people, you remember it. You know what I mean? Like if I'm just saying something dumb to myself, like someone in production was like when I said, I want to get out of here. I'm richer than all of you or whatever. I didn't remember saying that.

One of the producers came, I was so upset and hurt. I was like, get me the fuck out of here. Am I allowed to swear? Yeah, yeah. Okay. But I was like, get me the fuck out of here. I need to get home. My friends were in St. George, which isn't too far away.

And they had their plane there. I was making arrangements. I was literally get me out of here calling John. His cousins have a house in St. George. I'm like, tell Robin Jackie, I'm going to go to their house. I can't be here anymore. I was upset. I was like hurting. I don't remember a lot of the stuff I said. I know it wasn't nice. I didn't remember saying that. And I'm like, I did not say that. And Shnay's like you did.

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Visit redbull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. I'm curious in the last year or so, you know, between, you know, the end of season one and now definitely things have, there's been a lot of drama within the group. There's been a lot of, you know, stuff in the press. Clearly, there's been a lot of attention on your show. Has there ever, as somebody who's a business owner, a mom, you know, values all that stuff. Have you ever been hesitant about continuing with the show, knowing just kind of how much noise there is around it? Yeah, it's definitely a concern because John and I own a lot of

things and you want to protect things. And most of all, I want to protect my family. Like, you know, I love my husband and kids more than anything. Like, that is everything to me, like my whole life. So when you see them being attacked, yeah. Last night was not cool. Yeah. She can come from me all she wants. Don't attack my husband. And like going back to there, you can say whatever you want about me, just don't talk about my husband or my kids. Yeah. You know, in such a derogatory way, that's why I would consider not doing this anymore. Our businesses are solid. We're locked up, T's crossed, eyes dotted. We have a lot of attorneys helping us with that. And that doesn't worry me. It's the stuff that said about my family. Yeah. Character things. Completely. Yeah. And I think that,

I think even if somebody doesn't always think you're right or love, you're not their favorite person on the show, I think that's the most understandable thing, that it's like this isn't ever going to come before those things that matter more to you. Never. And, you know, another thing I like to tell people, too, is I had brands before the show. I don't work because of the show. I didn't create things because I'm on a platform to, like, do this. This is what I do.

I've been doing it for years. With my marketing company, I've incubated brands for other celebrities that we have ownership in. we do a lot of different things that nobody knows about and nobody talks about. I have a successful marketing company. Like I'm right now I'm wearing multiple hats because I have Bravo, but I also have my marketing company that I'm doing a lot of stuff for. And that's like Sundance, NBA All-Stars, the Super Bowl. You know, it's not just limited to Sundance. And, you know, John and I are always doing something. So, like, as fun as it is to be on the show, and I love it. And it's an amazing platform for, like, helping people and doing things, I have a lot of stuff going on outside of the show too.

Totally. Yeah. How do you feel about social media and the role that it plays? Because since your show started in 2020, it's not like some of these shows that have been on forever and social media wasn't even a thing. It's always been a big part of kind of the experience of watching Salt Lake City. How do you feel about it? How do you handle it? Okay.

So I think for me, I just use it as. my tool for like saying my feelings so no one has to guess. Social media is a lot because I don't want to be on social media 24-7. Like that's, I'm busy and I have so many other things going on. My kids, my husband, work and family. My, you know, my sisters, I come from a pretty big family. I don't want to spend all my time on social media. I have like a lot I have to do, but I understand the importance of, you know, interacting with fans of the show, fans of the show, of me and my family and but also a social media aspect for our businesses too which you know when you're in alcohol you have to be really careful like how you're promoting yourself on social

media and stuff with so many minors being on social media and so I just think like it's a lot and I think when it comes to the show I just don't want to get into fights with people I I'll say what I need to say and then I just want to be done I don't really bash anybody if you watch my social media, I don't really bash anybody. I never bash anybody. Actually, I'm not going to say I don't really. I never bash any. I'll answer a question. I'll say the truth, but I don't nitpick at people. I don't start saying rude things about them. That's just not me. I'm not going to start doing that now because I'm on a show. I just answered like 10 questions in one. Sorry. I'm a talker and I process as I'm talking.

It's interesting though. And I think you more than a lot of other people have become sort of beloved on social media for these things that come out of your mouth on the show. And, you know, the high baby gorgeous, I love that, you know, all of this stuff. And I really feel like it is very authentically Lisa Barlow when you say these things. So what is it like watching the memes and the, you know, people just kind of run with it. And I have to imagine looking back three years ago before the show premiered, you would be like, wait, why are people talking about like? Baby gorgeous. Yeah. I mean, it's so crazy what people pick up on to.

when I picked Henry up from school, there was a lot happening. And I literally was just like, he's my baby gorgeous. And I knew he had had been having a rough time because his best friend and him were not, like, hanging out and, like, there was an issue. And it, like, was tormenting him. But I was, like, just wanting him to be happy and to feel good and, like, get over this little friendship squabble. But it's weird. Like I never would have thought people would be like, oh, baby gorgeous.

Yeah. Or like, you know, when I said the Chanel necklace thing, for me, it was the best way to articulate what I felt happened. Right. I'm like in a relatable way where people will be like, oh, I get it. This is why she's upset. The other one, I was dying when you did, when I watched What Happens Live, they had you do the counting Lisa Barlow's video.

It's like those kind of things. It's just like, if you didn't know about housewives, you'd be so confused. You're like, why are we counting Lisa Barlow's? Who even talks about counting sheep anymore? It's only Lisa Barlow's now. I know. It's so funny. But like when I was a kid, like, you know, like I would literally put myself to sleep going from a hundred down.

Because my brain's always racing. And so for me, that was a good analogy to articulate how I was feeling. Before we finish up, I do want to address kind of like the elephant. in the room this season. I feel like with everything going on with Jen. Yeah. You said on Watch What Happens Live that you haven't spoken to her since the plea that she did in the summer.

And Whitney said the same that you guys haven't talked to her. What kind of was your mental process when you found out that she put that plea in? Was it, did you feel betrayed? Like, because you'd watch her on the show for so long, kind of say this one thing. And then to switch up. What was it like finding that out? I have a lot of different thoughts on this. So I'll start with this.

I was Jen's friend. And that means I'm Jen's friend, right? It doesn't mean I condone things she does or condone behaviors. Did it mean that I'm not that smart and didn't like understand that if Homeland Security and the Fed show up that that's pretty serious? And Jen's got a big fight ahead of her, right? But I was Jen's friend. And I've been very consistent, very clear from the beginning that. with Jen's indictment.

I would 100% support Jen, but if it comes to a guilty plea, I'm going to support the victims. However, that's not the reason I don't talk to Jen anymore. It has nothing to do with their guilty plea deal or anything like that. And I wasn't shocked that she pled guilty. I wasn't not shocked that she pled guilty.

I'm like, that's just Jen pleading guilty. I do think it's hard to have you be on an emotion. roller coaster for over a year with someone screaming and mad at every little thing. And it's, it really became like all of my energy. I felt like in my relationship with Jen was supporting Jen. My feelings took a backseat. Like we, we don't even talk about my feelings. I don't even know if Jen knows what my feelings are like, but just, you know, like, or how I feel on anything, because our relationships were all centered around how Jen's feeling, her emotions, what she's going through. It didn't matter what any of us were going through. Does that make sense? So I think we conditioned

ourselves to be like, oh, take care of Jen. Jen, you know, in science, give her the best room. She's having a hard time. She was so upset on the van, even though like my nerves are shot to hell. Yeah. Does that make sense? Am I making sense with this? But I think like with me, I conditioned myself to be like, oh, it's all about Jen, you know, because Jen's going through the hardest time of her life. And it is. And when she pled guilty, like I said, I wasn't shocked. I wasn't shocked. I just, it was just what Jen's doing. Yeah. You know. Now Lisa Barlow wants the best room. Come on. You know, I'm used to the best room. So it's, but I understand when we're on a girl's trip, I'm never weird about that. Like I said, I'm one of six kids. Like, yeah. We all had

our own bedroom though. I had a seven bedroom house growing up. But like, so like we shared when we were really little and then that went away real quick. But, um, you know, like I, I don't feel like when I'm on a girls trip, I just want to have fun and be part of the group. But, I, I hope you guys. Maybe I'll get the best room. I hope you guys do get like a fun girls trip this season. Oh my God. Last year.

Oh my gosh. You had two trips and both of them were like the weekend from hell. Yeah. Not basic. Like stressful. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to insert that word. No, but they're so stressful.

It's have you seen any more? No, I've only seen the premiere. Um, I would love a really amazing trip outside of the country. I would like to go outside of the mountain west region of the United States. And I'm really hopeful for somewhere like chic on the Mediterranean, but we're a winner premiering show. So I doubt we'll ever get that or filming show. Like you said, season three, you guys are, you know, moving on up in the world.

So maybe maybe we can get you out of the country. Honestly, when I watch the premiere, like take it put aside everything that said that's not very kind about me or my family. It's beautiful. It's well done. It's like beautiful. I think they did a great job. Those first few minutes of the episode,

flashing back to your interviews from 2019, I mean, cinema. It was amazing. And honestly, like all the feels I got from like being like, oh my gosh, so like fresh and like we're on Bravo. And now like we're three seasons in and hopefully four soon. What are you, so what are you excited for this season?

Obviously there's a lot of a lot of drama, a lot of, you know, conflict and stuff. But is there anything that you're just, like, excited to, for everyone to see or to relive? I'm, like, totally silent. I'm like, I don't know. There it is. You know what? There were good moments.

They were good moments. So, like, we always manage even in chaos to have a good time. Yeah. But I'm, like, trying to pinpoint one particular moment. It'd probably, probably be, I'd have to say it's the things with my husband and my family. Like, I think those were the highlights of this season. for me. You know, for me it was like a lot of, you know, just the way the season started was so

different with so much change, you know, Mary, Jenny. And I think like I put a lot of, like my focus is my family right now in our businesses. And I think that there's some cool stuff. Like as a family I'm excited to see and things. And as a group of as a whole, I think that we always find time to have fun. Like there's there's some fun stuff that have Arizona's intense, but there's some cool stuff too. It's not all dark. I love that.

Yeah. Me too. Me too. Lisa, thank you so much for being here. This has been so fun. Hopefully. I'm like so tired today that I'm like, I hope I'm not so wordy and I'm making sense. No, you're making total sense.

You have your premier hangover, which I think is understandable. Yeah, it's crazy. But it's good. I'm excited for the good season. Amazing. We're so excited for it. We're so excited to have you here. Thank you everyone for listening.

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