Mention It All - Battling Bravo Vets & Navigating Life In The City Ft. Kenny Martin & Whitney Fransway

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

On this Tuesday episode, Dylan sits down with In the City's newest stars, Kenny and Whitney, to unpack their first season, the drama that did not make it on screen, and the brutal reunion that caught them completely off guard. They open up about why so many cast members seem hesitant to challenge Lindsay Hubbard, what really happened between Lindsay and Yvonne, and how quickly picking sides can complicate new friendships. Whitney also reflects on going from The Bachelor to Bravo, moving across the country, and sharing the emotional search for her father on camera. Kenny discusses his fallout with Gavin and the aftermath of Amanda and West’s relationship becoming public. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday & Friday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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and we are just about to watch our two-part reunion, so I thought it would be the perfect time to catch up with two of our breakout stars of the season. Whitney and Kenny, welcome to the studio. How's it going? Thanks for having us. Yes, it's great. Thank you for having us. It's been a fun summer watching you guys during the fall.

Yeah. What does it feel like now that the season is wrapping up? We still have the reunion, but it's all out there. How's it felt? I feel like it flew by. It did. It really did. It's been like a whirlwind when we filmed, it flew by, and now, like, the episodes have been flying by. So it's bittersweet.

Is there anything from the experience of watching the season back and obviously seeing other points of view and things that people have said in their interviews and things like that? Was there anything that really surprised you in the airing of the season? I think so. I mean, you film so much and you never really know what's going to make it. So I feel like it was surprising to see some of the things that made it. It's surprising to see like some of the really meaningful moments that didn't. Yeah. I think for me it was I was less surprised about what made it and more surprised about what didn't make it. Because a lot of it was contextual and I'm hoping that the reunion helps clear some of that up.

I know it's hard, especially with the show in its first season. Usually it's a limited number of episodes and there are so many of you guys and it's been really fun over the course of the season. And as a viewer, obviously some of the people in the cast, you know, we've been watching for a long time. But it almost feels like just at the end, it's like, oh, I'm starting to get to know Georgina more. And I'm starting to learn more about different people's dynamics. And it does kind of make you feel like, wait, I want more. I feel like there's blanks. I still have to fill in.

Totally. I think that's hard about like being like the newbies and like there's, you know, multiple newbies on this cast. And you're starting to just get to know us. and we're like, I feel like we crave the depth. So like hopefully if there's a season too, like we'll be able to have that. Yeah, I think everyone on the cast really wanted to go deeper and wanted to kind of have our personalities, our true personalities, like kind of come out. And there's only so much that they can air, especially with such a big cast.

Yeah. Whitney, I'm curious for you because obviously you have prior experience with reality TV. It was a long time ago. It's such a different franchise The Bachelor Interimps. of just like what you're what's expected of you and how it is incorporated into your life. What was it like kind of comparing those two experiences between then and doing in the city? Yeah, I mean, they're so different. Exactly. They, I mean, in Bachelor world, you're in a bubble. Like, you're in a bubble outside like of the world, removing technology and like contact with your family and your friends. So I feel like it's a little bit more emotional and you're

connecting with the girls and it's it's more of like a sensitive environment we're talking about our relationships and a little bit more drama in that way where things are like more emotional whereas Bravo they love the drama and love to be entertained and you know we were kind of like living a double life to some extent right when no one really knew we were filming this show too so this is like a lot more of our full selves whereas Bachelor is a little bit more just about relationship yeah it's like nice to to do an experience where you're not like a contestant. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

You're like, okay, I still want to do a good job, but nobody's getting eliminated at the end of the episode. Totally, totally. And it was so fun to do it together, whereas like I was walking into that situation solo. Yeah, I was so curious for you guys because you started doing this experience with the show at a major kind of turning point in your relationship

with you moving to New York. What was it like kind of deciding to add this into the mix of everything you already had going on with your relationship? We had a number of conversations around it. And it was like, do we want to do this? Do we need to do this? Or like, would it just be a fun experience to do together?

And we were both at a point, like you said, in our relationships where it was like this expansive place where she was moving across the country. We were getting more serious. And it was just like, why not have fun with this and like kind of really embrace the like community aspect of it? Because there is a huge Bravo community that as the season went on, I think we really started. the feel. And for me too, like building a community of friends and meeting new people, it was like a fun way to do that. And we're like, as long as this day's fun, we communicate and we enjoy the process. I feel like we were able to do that. Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to make friends in New York that you see more than like once every four months. And so if you're getting like a text that it's like,

hey, you have brunch at this day at this time. It's like, oh, it's great. Yeah, you're forcing out with me. The scheduling is like chaos, especially when you're like, you know, working. and when he's starting a business. It was just like a lot going on for sure. Yeah. I think it's been, it's been fun to see this season kind of like more, you know,

different sides of everyone. But you mentioned kind of wanting to have fun with it. And obviously there's been ups and downs throughout the season. Do you feel like you were able to kind of keep that sense of having fun through this together, even though not every conversation was maybe like super fun all the time? I think I probably had more ups and downs. And at times was more affected by like kind of the public feedback or like the edit or how I was portrayed. Whereas Whitney seemed like she was just a pro and like nothing phased her.

The good thing was that we had talked about everything that came out or that you saw on the show. We had discussed like in detail. On the show, off to show, whether it made it on air or not, we were always on the same page. I don't feel like there was any point throughout the season where it was like, wait, what was that? or where did that come? You know what I mean? There was no like kind of blindsiding moments. Yeah and I think like from The Bachelor to like obviously that was 10 years ago. But I feel like I went through, you know, my ups and downs with that where I kind of knew what to expect that like I was going to be not disappointed, but like, you know, you hope that you're going to see so much. And it's never like,

it's never shown as you think it is going to be. And, you know, there's a lot that doesn't make it. And then the outside noise, I feel like I'm better at like compartmentalizing. Yeah, it's a, it's a tricky thing when you're in like an ensemble show like this because it's like in real, in, you know, like everybody else's real life. It's like, okay, yeah, like people in your friend group probably have thoughts and opinions, but they're not sitting down in front of a camera. Having to reveal them. Yeah, exactly. So it is kind of like, okay, I'm going to find out what every single one of you thinks about a certain situation. And it does, it seems like you guys have sort of been able to like, you know, meet those moments and then move past it versus like getting so bogged down in one comment that somebody made.

Yeah, I think like it honestly made us stronger all in all. And, you know, we move past most of those situations with our cast. Yeah. Yeah. The reunions was pretty nafty, I've been saying. I'm so curious. speak of the reunion, I mean, there's a few people on this cast that are seasoned professionals when it comes to doing this whole cycle of filming, airing reunion.

For you guys going into that event, was there a sense of, I need to prepare for this, or I need to kind of think through the scenarios, or was it just kind of like, this is a new thing? Let's see how it goes. Well, I had done Women Tell All for Bachelor, which is like their version of the reunion. And so I was like, oh, we'll like talk about it and like we'll move past it and whatever. No. This is like the time to like come for who you want to come for. And like I just, I was not prepared.

Yeah, I wasn't prepared either. And it felt like people were like had agendas in a game plan and it got like really nasty in there. Yeah. It's like the women tell all it's very like, okay, you're going to like come out for your segment. And like talk about your feelings. Yeah. The audience is going to clap and somebody's going to cry. Yeah, exactly.

It was not that. Like, no, we were crying because, you know, for a different reason. You could tell right away that there were like professionals in the room. I'm curious how much were you guys familiar with the whole like summer house lore prior to doing this season of everything that had gone down with. Obviously with Kyle and Amanda was a very active situation. But then with Lindsay and Danielle, you have years of grievances that are being brought up. Were you guys kind of clued in on that? Or was it very much finding out like one thing at a time?

I generally knew. I had watched the last few seasons of Summerhouse. So I kind of generally knew, but I didn't know like every detail. So I kind of understood. But I think I even see me in the beginning of the season. I'm like a little bit more of an observer because I'm like trying to figure out this dynamic like where I fit in and you know, what's the truth is. Like I wanted to like experience that on my own and not have these like prejudgments. Yeah.

I honestly had not watched all of Summerhouse. And like Kyle has been a friend of mine, but like for whatever reason, I just kind of compartmentalized that. So coming in, there were a lot of dynamic situations that I didn't have the full context, which in hindsight, I'm like, you know, I was responding a lot to like right and wrong. You know, like five, the Minion brunch, for example, five people on one and a girl that's getting upset and nobody to support her, I'm going to say something. Whereas there was a lot of history there. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything. And so I kind of go back and forth in those moments of like, do you just go on what you believe is right and wrong? Or do you go on the history of these people and let them just battle it out and not defend someone?

We saw things from like a clean slate and outsiders perspective, whereas they're like carrying like baggage from, you know, history. Yeah, it's like I don't think it's like you almost don't want to go too far on either side because you don't want to be, oh, Lindsay, told me not to like this person, so I'm just going to not like that person. Totally. But you also want to be like a little mindful of like, hey, these people have known each other for a decade. I don't need to be like answering, you know, for all the issues. But yeah, it's like also it's kind of like your job to get in there.

Right. Where's the line between like they have history? Yeah. Also this is a human being sitting next to me and like you have to say something. Yeah. And also like if they were on TV for like the last 10 years, let's say like they're like a different person now than then. So if they're like holding on to, I don't know, I just feel like even meeting Danielle, for instance, in person, like I really connect with her.

And I feel like she's in a great place in her relationship in life. So I feel like she's probably a different person than she was on Summer House. Yeah. I mean, that was with Danielle and Owen and the questions about their situation, I think that was part of it was like, from Danielle's perspective, it's like, if I'm telling you that I'm happy and that nothing is weird about this situation, why are you not taking that? at face value versus needing to dig and ask questions. And so I got where she was coming from with that where it's like, if you want me to be happy, then just listen to me. Yeah.

Yeah. There was a lot of guising of like, I just care about you. Right. I just care about you, Whitney. I just care about you, Danielle. So let me attack your relationship. Question. I'm just going to do some Google.

Yeah. I don't know. And listen, I wasn't innocent in that, and especially in Daniel's, you know, in Owen's relationship. but we really do like them together. I like them a lot. Yeah. And I mean, they have a baby now. I know.

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The wedding dinner was a lot to watch. I have to imagine it was a lot too. I mean, like the craziest scene I've ever seen on Bravo. It felt like such an intimate space, and there was so much yelling and so much. I mean, I didn't even speak. It was like watching a tennis match. My head is just like going back and forth. If they, like, couldn't get a word and I'm like, I'm shocked.

Yeah, it was, it was a lot. It was a lot. We covered a lot of ground. We covered a lot of ground. I mean, that was an interesting one, too, because Lindsay and Yvonne is not a relationship we've seen on TV for 10 years, but they're telling us how close they are, and we talk 18 times a day and all of this.

And then, like, suddenly it just feels like it's been completely turned upside down. And we don't really get, like, clarity on that by the end of the season. So, yeah, it must be tough to kind of, like, figure out where to put yourself on those dynamics. Totally. Totally. Yeah, I think there were just so many different topics. And it's just like, you know, do you weigh in? Do you not weigh in?

But like at the end of the day, I feel like we covered everything. Yeah, Kyle and Amanda's relationship, the dress, you know. Who's smoking before bed? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, we were also getting to know Lindsay and Yvonne's relationship as well. Right. So, like, these different dynamics would pop up.

And, like, you know, it was good to see. Yvonne kind of assert herself later in the season in terms of like, hey, I didn't like X, Y, and Z. Well, because I think it was you that made the comment in the finale about some of Lindsay's friends being a little scared of her, maybe. I think I still stand by that. I think everyone's scared of her. And I mean, even me.

Like, I just feel like it's hard to sometimes get your point across. I think, like, eventually you can, but I think I'm learning that she just has a different lens than me and you see me like even tried to stand up for um evan and like their friendship and just how I feel like you should treat your best friend if that's your best friend and it's it gets taken down a whole different road that it wasn't meant to yeah and i think i mean there's so much it's so nuanced when you have a group like this where people have all their different prior relationships but it's like as a viewer of the show you want everybody to feel more or less comfortable voicing their opinion on

something, standing up to somebody else. So I get why it feels like, hey, like, if there's one person that seems kind of like untouchable, maybe we should address that. Yeah, and it's so unnatural. It's so unnatural for me to like have confrontation, especially in front of a group, right? You really have to like put your guard down and like own, own your opinions in truth, no matter what. And, you know, I was able to do that at the end of the season.

Yeah. But it's still, it's still tricky. to navigate. Yeah, it is, it's challenging when like if you want to stand up to somebody or you want to say, hey, this was wrong or you treated that person wrong, you have to be, you know, aware of the fact that it might get flipped on you. And it probably will get flipped on you. Depending on who it is, like it's going to get flipped on you. They're going to become the victim. You're going to look like you were attacking. You know what I mean? So it's like I think a lot of people in the cast were just hesitant to say things.

Treading lightly. But then like from an outsider, like you see, you know, I was observing different dynamics the whole time. Right. So at the end of the day, like kind of what he was saying, it's like you stand up for right and wrong or you just don't say anything. Exactly. You got choices to me.

Yeah. And then I mean, it definitely, it like stuck out to me in the last episode when you guys were at the apple picking or whatever when Georgina said. that it seems like as a couple, you guys just don't like women or mothers or... It's crazy. Who doesn't like a mom? It's a big statement. Who doesn't like a mom who doesn't like girls? Like, you know, I feel like that's obviously just such a funny statement to say.

A perfect example of like there was an opportunity for them and Lindsay in particular to really do something to mend their relationship with Yvonne. And instead they said, no, we're not going to do that. Everyone had ample time to think about it, to make a decision. They're like, no, we're not going to do that. We are going to take this room and we deserve it because we're moms. Great. That's their prerogative. But all of a sudden, when you call them out on making that decision, it's like, oh, wait, you hate moms.

You are, like, attacking moms. And then you hate all women. And so it's always this kind of, like, narrative shift that kind of plays out multiple times throughout the season. It definitely didn't come off, like, the way that it was supposed to. So they kind of like took the left road when it wasn't meant to be down that road. It was just the example used. And I just feel like if, and not everyone obviously has to move the same way. But like if that was my best friend, I would do anything to like get it back on like the right track.

And so just felt like it was a little gesture and like it was dismissed. And it was really awkward for the house. And they were like not on good terms the whole weekend. Right. And that was the point. And then some kind of way ended up like over here. left field about moms, which... I do want to ask, were you at all, were you at all, like, surprised about, so you had that

initial conversation with Lexi, and then she kind of, like, brought that to Georgina. And did you expect, like, her to see your side of it a little bit more? Because you would have that initial conversation together. I, honestly, I thought that she did, and I think that she agreed with me to a point. But then when I was, like, kind of just rambling, she was. she was like, oh wait, like this is, you know, she has more history with Lindsay. She's friends with her. So it's like that's where her loyalty lies and I learned that.

Yeah, I think it's like you do, it takes a while to kind of figure out all the different like knucks and crannies of a group like this. And like I'm trying to make these friendships. And, you know, it's, I sadly feel like I have to stay a tiny bit guarded still. I'm in the time, obviously it's been several months since this season was filmed. have you been able to continue to develop some of those relationships and feel like you have more like, you know, ongoing connections with people beyond just like, hey, I just moved here and we're getting to know each other. Totally. I feel like I, you know, talk to Lexi and Yvonne the

most and I'll see them if we're in L.A. or in New York and grab coffee with them. So I'm really enjoying, like, continuing to like grow my friendships with them. You guys filmed in the fall. and then obviously in the spring a lot went down with the Amanda and West's situation of it all. Oh yeah. Knowing that you guys had this whole show that you had filmed and you were still waiting for it to see the world, what was your, what was kind of going through your head when all of this was happening, knowing that it is, you know, something that is a storyline on your show with Kyle and Amanda? It was kind of like, what does this mean for Kyle, first of all?

it was like, Kyle's been a friend for a long time. Yeah. And I know that he hasn't been perfect in that relationship, but, you know, he was trying to figure out where that relationship was going. And I just felt like he was very blindsided by it. So it's like, what does it mean for Kyle? What does it mean for the show? And the dynamic amongst the cast, right?

Like, it was, it became slightly awkward. And, you know, we were trying to reach out and, communicate with different people, but it's a lot of really traumatic stuff to navigate within a first season new cast. So it was interesting. And even much of the reunion, right? Because we didn't have a lot of time together. Right. Even at the reunion, it was like a weird dynamic hanging with Amanda again. I think even just like, you know, Summerhouse has so much history. And so I think there's still like some mending going on with that being like such a family. Yeah. It was tricky because the timeline was so condensed where you had the Summerhouse finale

that went directly into your premiere, which was this like total great moment. And they did such an amazing job putting that all together. And then that reunion is airing while your guys season is like it was a lot to kind of juggle even as a viewer. And I think it's been fun almost the last like month of the season to be able to focus a little bit more on your show and like getting to know everybody that's in the cast. think that was something that from like an outside perspective in the spring, it was kind of like, wait, is in the city still going to feel like it is like a relevant thing when it was, now

things have been turned upside down? And to me, like, all of you guys having your own stuff going on has made it still this like really interesting, like layered show to watch that doesn't really feel like it needs to have that like scandal framing to feel, you know, important. I don't know. Totally. I think it definitely helped people like you want to watch our show for sure, but I hope people like still enjoy it. I mean, we're, we're biased, but I feel like there's so much like amazing storyline that happened this season, like meaningful and fun. So hopefully if we get a season two, that that'll that will continue. Yeah. It's a, delicate balance because you want to be giving people what they, you know, are hearing about,

but you also have all the stuff that you don't want to just like flush down the toilet. And I think, I mean, something like seeing you with your father and that story was something on this season that completely existed in its own lane. And I thought that was so lovely to watch. And I think a lot of people felt that watching the show. Yeah. Honestly, it was, that was a crazy, crazy experience. And I get a lot of questions of like, why.

Did you share it all on the show and from like the first day of we did our first casting interview? I'm like this is where I met my life I had lost my mom. I'm in this kind of search for my father and Hopefully that's not why they cast me, but it was definitely part of my story coming in And I was like you know what I don't know what's going to happen here, but I'm just going to share this whole process And I'm so glad that I did because the number of people that have reached out and been like I have such a similar story or or you inspired me to reach out to my dad or my mom or like, I cried with you in that moment. It was just like, that's the community and like the connection that like I was looking for by doing this show. Yeah.

And like, I think that's the kind of thing too that like obviously you're not, this isn't like the reason to do it. But when you're watching a season that has, you know, drama and you're putting your foot in your mouth or there's, you know, a fight or whatever. those kind of things all balance out and makes it feel like we're watching, like, real people navigating. Totally. And I think it took, like, a different layer of courage to have that vulnerability because we didn't know what we were going to find at the end of the day, you know? And I think what people didn't see is, like, this was, like, months of, like, gathering little

bits of information. Like, when we were sitting on that couch and I was, like, looking for Debbie on Facebook, we were sitting there for hours. Like, you know. Yeah. And it's tricky because once you, once you, once you have. invite that to be a part of the show, you can't just be like, oh, sorry, never mind. Totally.

Got everything that every time I mentioned it. Yeah, like, it's sort of, you're like putting it into the world. It was so raw and real in the moment. And it really was. It was like unfolding before us. I didn't know if he was even going to be alive. So then once we found out there was information and like a number and all this stuff. And it was all just real time.

And we were experiencing it just like on the fly, which was, which was kind of crazy. Yeah. Now we're on like a family text. We got a family chat going around. That's awesome. I mean, yeah, congratulations. It's an amazing thing. It's actually really nice, yeah.

I do want to talk a little bit about your relationship with Gavin because I think that's been an interesting kind of thread throughout the season. You guys have a lot of history, a super, you know, tight relationship, but there were a few times throughout the season where you were definitely, like, you know, not thrilled with how he handled certain things. What's kind of, what's going on with that relationship? How has that been? I think Gavin and I are,

now are in a better place. It's, you know, you just saw the finale, right? Like, we, it came to a head because something happened. It was a combination of cameras coming up. It was a combination of Whitney moving into town, us getting much more serious, Gavin just coming out of a relationship, literally all happening at the same time. And I feel like I saw a part of Gavin that I had never seen before. We had never beefed like that.

We've never like never felt like he was kind of trying to like chop me at the knees. And he spent the most time with us. Like he saw all the ins and outs, the ups and downs. Yeah, exactly. So maybe concern that he was losing a homie a little bit. So we had to work through a lot of that. But I think we're getting to a good place now. I think sometimes it's like you have those really close relationships where you almost,

you can, you know, almost take it for granted or like lose sight. of maybe I'm being a little too honest, maybe I'm being hurtful and I'm just not thinking about it. But you have to take that time to be like, okay, we have to address this. Well, I think you see that even in your conversation at the end where he's like, oh, like, yeah, I could see like all of these compounding things like of how you're feeling now. It wasn't just like little things. It was the compounding effect of all of it.

Yeah, I'm glad he was receptive to that conversation at the end. When I kind of laid it out how I was feeling and what I was seeing, he was receptive and apologetic and I think that helped us just kind of be like we've been best friends for years and years so that's not going to change. You just see him like even when he breaks down it's like he just misses this boy

you know I think that's a big part of it. Super excited to see this reunion I know it's your first time so we'll see how it goes. Coming out of the reunion what is if you give me like a word or a feeling of how the reunion went how the season went

what we're moving forward with. How do you feel? I know his word. Nasty. That reunion was probably one of the nastiest things I've been apart. Yeah, I definitely cried. Okay. It was a lot. But like, shocker.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with crying. Yeah, it's fine. I'm not used to, like, certain dynamics that I've been involved in. Yeah. And so it's kind of new to me to navigate that. And I think so much happened for me and, was changing, like with the big move, leaving my friends, like so much newness, like living together, starting a brand.

Like, I feel like my emotions were really heightened all season. Yeah. For sure. I need to release some of this. Yeah, I'm like, I'm sensitive. What happens? The show is like therapy. But, yeah, no, the reunion was, was a lot and just rehashing things that had already been

kind of squashed. And I guess that's what reunions are for. But I don't think we anticipated how nasty it would get you. I thought it would be a happier ending coming from Bachelor Woman to Wall. You're like, wait, I don't have 30 sisters? No, wait, what? Exactly. Well, maybe if we get a season two, you guys can come with your briefcase full of receipts or whatever.

Exactly. I'll come with roses. It's like, let's start over. And I'm excited to see it, you know what I mean? Like, I hope that there's a lot of things throughout the season where I'm like, there could be an opportunity to clarify this in the reunion. And I'm excited to see, hopeful to see, you know, that they kind of, you know, that they kind of clear up some things that were left unclear throughout the season.

Okay, you can watch with a little checklist. Yeah, exactly. Vindicated, proven right. Yeah. Hopefully a few of those, but we'll see. Yeah, see tuned. Well, thank you guys so much for being here. Congrats on the season.

It's been really fun to get to know you and hopefully more where that came from. Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, and until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Betches