Mention It All - Below Deck's Daisy Kelliher On The Chaotic RHOSLC Crossover & Her 'Redemption' Season

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

This week on Mention It All, Dylan sits down with Below Deck’s Daisy Kelliher for a full debrief on everything going down this season. Daisy talks about the RHOSLC crossover and why it was way more fun than she expected and why she’s looking at this season as a real redemption moment for her. Daisy also breaks down why men love a woman in charge, how that dynamic plays out in the crew, and her relationship with Alesia. Plus, she explains why some people simply aren’t prepared for the Ben of it all and why crew chemistry keeps viewers coming back. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday & Friday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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everyone, welcome back to the mention it all podcast. I am so thrilled to be here on a very cold and snowy week in New York, but we are keeping things hot and sunny today with below deck down under and Daisy Keller her, our chief stew, is here. Hey, Daisy. Hi. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's been a minute. I'm glad to see you in New York. You braved the weather. I did. I love coming to New York. I'm always so happy when I'm here. So snow, rain, sunshine. I feel like anyone who, like New York and London are fun because it's kind of like the same. but different. I agree.

It feels just like a little bit removed from your everyday life. You can still like. You feel familiar. I can get whatever I need. Yeah. You feel like I'm like I know myself right here. Yeah. Like it doesn't feel too foreign.

We were just talking about being in Canawan this season on Down Under is a very like different vibe. It's a part of the Caribbean that's very like kind of secluded like a little exclusive. I was thinking this is the first time that we've seen you out of the med. It is. That's you know, that's kind of part of the fun of it. I love the med. Yeah.

But I also love the Caribbean. And I'm used to be on world traveling boats. So obviously I went from sailing to down under with a whole new crew captain. But part of that was like a new part of the world as well. So it felt so fresh and so new for me, which was, yeah, pretty exciting. Was it nice for you to finally not have to deal with guests being mad that they couldn't sail? Yeah, yeah. I feel like every season I, it's like, okay, so there's no wind.

And they're like, what do you mean? Like we came all the way out here just to go sailing. I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, it was, you know, they always have something to complain about, but that was fun that it wasn't that. Yeah, it's a much, it's a bigger boat too, because I think the sailing yacht is smaller usually, right? She is a bigger boat. Yeah. She, I don't know if she's much longer, but she's definitely taller and more beam. So she was a big boat with lots of stairs. I definitely kept me fit. But yeah, it was nice. It was a good change for sure. You mentioned, coming to Down Under and having this whole new crew. There's actually a fair number of people on this season that have done below deck in the past, but kind of indifferent, you know, like Ellie was on med before and you were on sailing obviously and then there's people that have been on Down Under. What was it like for you not working with Captain Glenn? You know, Gary's been on all of your seasons in sailing out.

What was it like kind of being in this whole new universe? Yeah, it was weird because I guess sailing for a long time. was probably the most stable. We did have, you know, Gary, Colin, Glenn, the same boat. I only worked in Parcival, which is the norm for Med or OG.

So I definitely was very much in my comfort zone there. And so moving on to Down Under was so new, which was great. I think it was the change I needed and it felt like my first season all over again. But I was intimidated, especially with Ben and Jawow, because sailing was kind of mine.

Like I knew what it was about. And, you know, if you tried to argue me, like, I could argue back. But then I was like, oh, Ben and Joao have been doing it longer than I have. They've, you know, so I didn't know if I came in and kind of hot. And they're like, who's this girl? Like, she needs to pipe down. But no, I showed them who was boss. Well, I think with this season, it's like you have three department heads that all have a lot of

experience both on the show and in, you know, their industry for sure, yeah, as a whole. And so it is like, it kind of is like the best to the best in a way. I mean, I think in theory, but I think, you know, I think it's said in the, in the trailer or, or at least in the show that, you know, experience, it comes ego. Yeah. And that's, you know, it's, I think that's a challenge in everyday working life. You want someone with experience, but not too much experience because you, you know, you want to show them the way you like it done. So you definitely see that this season. I think the skills are there from all three people. But I do think it leads to egos and that's, you know, clashing. With the two of them and with Captain Jason, obviously there's this kind of like below deck global family and you guys

are at BravoCon or seeing each other, you know, sometimes in different locations around the world. Like had you met or kind of spent any time with those guys that were on this season before? I actually hadn't. which was kind of part of what was cool for me because even though I knew who Ben and Chouai were and they had all worked with each other at some sort of capacity for me it was a brand new crew I had never worked with anyone which I was really excited about and I'd never met any of them before either okay um or spoken to them actually so there you go except for Jason I'd met Jason okay I'm at BravoCon Jason is one of those people where it's like in in a few short years like he's he's like the celebrity of BravoCon

Like, he gets a lot of attention wherever he goes. Well, it helps to be like, what are the only single male men on Bravo? That's, you kind of get a leg up there. Yeah, no, I feel like the last like two times that we've done BravoCon, it's like everybody throughout the weekend, it's like there needs to be a drinking game for Caputon because he's just constantly getting brought up. You're competing with like 10 men. The other 120 women are trying to scramble like all these blonde women being like.

I feel like at BravoCon this year, there was like a really all-star below-deck lineup that was put together. It was a lot of fun to see, you know, Kate was there, Hannah was there, a lot of our iconic Chief Stews and Sandy and Carrie and Glenn. What is it like for you kind of to be really like a core part of that like below deck family? Honestly, it's kind of wild. And, you know, I remember like, you know, I do try to like really sit with it and try and like have perspective and be grateful. because it's so easy to get caught up and everything and not reflect on where I am or like what's happening on those panels

and who I'm sat with. You know, I did watch the show before I joined it. Never wanted to be, you know, a content creator, never wanted to be a reality TV star. It was just never a dream of mine. It all kind of happened because of COVID. And when I did do it, I was like, oh, just be an experience.

And I remember the executive producer at the time was on my casting call was like, you know we want you to be the next Kate and I was like oh whoa why is I want no I'm just doing this like for some fun yeah and now you know to be asked back year after year and to be sat with these people who are iconic and are you know huge and well respected in in their form it's yeah it's it's like it's pinch me moment I was I was crunching the numbers a little bit because on below deck it's like there's between the franchises there's been a lot of seasons Kate is the only person who's done more seasons than you as a chief sue. I know. I did five. You've now done

five. Asia's done four, I think, as a chief. And so it's like, it's a tough show. I think people don't necessarily realize watching it that like it's a tough thing to keep building your life around year after year. Absolutely. It's it, you know, it's different to the other shows. And it's usually longer filming time in the sense of like, you know, something like let's say the traders. That's three weeks, I think. Yeah. And, you know, this is six weeks altogether when you've flown out there, all that kind of stuff. It's two months. Yeah. We also have to fly to L.A. a lot. So that takes up a lot of times. So like, I say I live in London. I don't, you know, it's more like a, I don't know what it is, like a nest that I fly to every once in a while. And but it's very mentally challenging,

physically challenging. It's hard to put your vulnerability out there with your love life, your job, and all of that stuff. So it's not an easy job, but it makes everything else in life easier. So yeah, right. It's like if you can work really, really hard for two months, the other 10, not so bad. Well, that's it. And then when I get to do like other things that people might find hard, I'm like, oh, this is a breeze in the part. You know, Bravo Khan's hard, but I'm like, this is so fun compared to my job. I know. Well, I was, I talked to Asia when her season of med was on recently, And it was like, when you decide to come back for another season, it's like there's no way to kind of come back but do less or like come back halfway. Like you're either really all in for another season and delivering world class service to these guests and folding laundry and doing all that stuff or you're not doing it.

And I think it's hard because there's a lot of shows where it's like, oh, like I'm doing another season, but like I'll kind of like take the backseat this year. For sure. I completely agree with that. I think on the other shows, you do have that fluctuation of being more main character. And then the next season, you're a bit less. Maybe you're like, oh, last season was a bit heavy. I'm going to dip out a little bit this season. We really, I feel like we really have to fight for our place on the show. And, you know, this year I really felt that, you know, it was funny on Vlo-Dak sailing season five. I had a terrible season. I didn't enjoy it. I didn't think anyone else enjoyed it. But everyone, was like, this was your comeback season. I was like, that was my comeback season. That was terrible. No. I would have fun. Yeah, I was like, you know, and I know people thought like possibly I would choose not to

come back or maybe I wouldn't get recasted. And I was like, no, I need another season. So this season, I felt is my comeback season. And yeah, I put a lot of pressure on myself to, you know, do a really good job. And that's all we really can do. So I was pulling mega hours. Like, I don't think I took one. single break all season.

Yeah. 20 hours, you know, often without a break. This season I was like, no, I want to, because I think a lot of people were wondering if I could do down under. I think they thought I was in my safe place and sailing. Yeah. So I felt the pressure. But yeah, we don't get to have like divorce storylines.

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going to be the first charter this season, I'm like, oh, they're like throwing you in. Yeah. Oh, well, that was my, you know, thought exactly when I kind of went in like knowing I wanted to do really well this season. This was going to be my redemption season. And when I saw A was Ben, B, Joao. And then the salt they cast, like I really went to bed going, oh, they've really, they've really not helped me out here with my redemption season. They've really gone. We're going to really challenge you. But I'm glad they did because it was, I feel like I kind of proved myself, you know, at least in these few episodes. And I like to think that it continues. And so yeah, It was fun. Well, it's a challenge, but also it's such an opportunity when you think about, you know, this, this group that they're putting together with you and Ben and Joao and Jason is a lot of, you know, beloved and well-known names in the below-deck universe. And then also this first time ever full crossover with another Bravo show, it's like, that's going to have a lot of attention on it. And it's a high priority, obviously, to make sure it goes well kind of for everyone involved. And like for you to be the person like, facilitate.

that is like hard work but also like they wouldn't ask you if they didn't think you could do it. I'm telling you it was a huge compliment. It was, you know, even to get brought over to down under, that in itself was a compliment. You know, it was a sign from, you know, Bravo that they're invested in me that they think that I couldn't do it. And that in itself, I was like, thank you. You know, I'm super chuffed to still be here and to be asked to work on the show. So that in itself was a compliment. And then like you said, to kind of be part of this like All-Star and with the crossover to, you know, kind of be part of something in Bravo that's going to go down in history and to have me, yeah, facilitate that. I was like, well, guys, thank you.

It was so fun the way it rolled out because obviously we saw on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in the fall kind of their side of the trip. And then I remember at BravoCon, I was in the room during the big below deck panel when they like debuted some of the footage of your episodes. Like held open. And it was like, people were like, it feels like illegal to get like that like look behind the curtain. But it's like, no, this is exactly why something like this is so exciting. And it was really fun watching those first few episodes of the season seeing kind of like, oh, there's like little, you know, Easter eggs I didn't even pick up on or things that are happening behind the scene. I mean, just like what's going on in the galley with Ben and Alicia the whole time that they're like fighting about, you know, seizures or whatever up on the

deck. It's like, oh, this is like, it feels like we're watching a movie in like 4D. Yeah. No, is it like an inception kind of thing, like kind of layers upon layers? No, you're absolutely right. And I think, you know, not only is, is that the crossover iconic, but there is also a lot to be said that they had a great season and we had a great season. And it don't, it wouldn't have had the same impact if our seasons had been a bit flatter. As you do, every show does. They have a flatter season and the next season might be really good. So it kind of was this perfect timing where Salt Lake City had like this explosive season. And our season, I think is really good so far. And I think it continues that momentum. Yeah. And which helped with the, it would have been so sad if we had this

iconic crossover, but they were kind of too crappy seasons. And you were like, that was kind of crap. It's like, okay. Yeah, you're like, oh, didn't land the way it should. We're not going to do that again. But no, we both had great seasons.

And like you said, that's what everyone kept saying to me. They were asking about the high stories. And I was like, guys, I didn't care about what they were arguing about. It was so funny because I knew some people, I saw some people online watching the first couple episodes of your season and saying,

like, wow, this, watching from this perspective, you can just see how difficult and how, you know, how horrible. these housewives are, and I'm like, I don't think you've watched very much below deck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because

the thing with the housewives is that they were so focused on what they had going on that it's like, yeah, they're like ordering drinks and losing their nipple covers and everything. But like, you've, you've seen worse. Let me tell you. I agree. Like, I feel bad when people were coming in for the housewives. And they, I was like, they were that bad. They were really nice to us. They barely cared about the food. Yeah, yeah. They were just really mean to each other. I was like, I don't want to get into you're bad books, but they were really lovely to us. And, you know, the tip showed that they, they just had us work hard, but they're, that's our job.

Yeah. And I agree, we had so much going on, you know, between like Joe leaving, what, like, the tension with the galley was wild. And the reason why it was wild was because it was so quick. Yes. It went from zero to 100. Like, what I love about our season this year, it's, we're an episode four. This episode felt like we were in episode 10.

I agree. Because when I was watching, when I was watching like episode three, four, I'm like, oh, wait, we've only done one charter. And I was like, in my notes, I'm like, okay, so what's going on with the interior? Like, you had somebody leave before the first charter started. You have Alicia trying to figure out what the hell she wants to do, whether she wants to leave, whether she wants to be a stew. You have a new stew coming in who now is like, galley hand really made me laugh because you're like, I don't know what's call her. It's a big story large. There's a little spoiler there.

Yeah, it's like chef assistant. She's not a sous chef. It's like there's a lot of and also like Mike who's a deck hand to every time we have a deck hand on below deck, I'm like, does this ever really properly work? I know. I know. Well, yeah, I mean, it is. It, it, it, that is what it is. It's gone into character development so quickly. Yeah. I think below deck, one of our struggles is the constant turnover of crew and why this season is really exciting because you have people that they already know. like Alicia, Ellie, Ben Jouye. So people are, the audience is more invested. And I think that was part of why sailing was quite successful because you had these returners. But I think what's great about this season is people just aren't afraid to get into it so quickly. Like Ben and Alicia were like, no, I hate you.

And I was like, I have never seen anyone clash with someone in 24 hours so quickly. But it was great because usually you have to wait until the mid-season for things to start ramping up. Whereas this season, yeah, just the character development. I wanted to come in really strong. I didn't want to do what I've done other seasons and let standards slip

and then kind of come in halfway through the season being like, we need to pick it up. So that's why on the latest episode, I wasn't, God, I'm really sassy and it's only the first charter, the second charter. But I didn't want to do what I've done the other seasons. I wanted to grow. So I think that helped with the storyline

and the character development. that I was like, you know, so it felt like, for me, episode four felt like a mid-season episode. I agree. And I think also like your, your hesitation with the whole like Alicia Ellie, like switcheroo, whatever was going on there is like we can decide to do this this way, but that also doesn't guarantee it's going to work. So like if Alicia is going to come onto my team, I still need somebody who's going to be like a top level performer.

I don't just need like the, you know, oh, she didn't. want to do this so now we'll give her a different job. For sure, that was, you know, it was interesting to watch it and, and it, you know, you see a snippet of what actually happened. There was a lot more conversations than just this one simple conversation between me and Jason. We talked about it at length and what it meant for the crew, what it meant for my department. You know, you see in the tip meeting Ben being like, oh, I'll give her one more chance. And I was like, well, no, because either you're giving her one more chance, but if it doesn't work out, she has to leave. Because then you can't say, oh, she's coming over to my team.

Right. When you've already trained Ellie and then you have to swap. Yeah. Exactly. But I was, you know, I do believe in second chances. And I was interested to see if Ben or Alicia were the problem. And I felt like by putting Alicia in my team, it turns out they were kind of both the problem.

Yeah. Well, I mean, from the first moment when Alicia walks in and says to Ben that she has a passion for food, I'm like, okay, so what does that mean? Do we have a passion for making food or? I know. I think she was, I think she was trying to manage his expectations. That's what I took away from that. But, you know, I think there was an obvious flaw and not going away and getting trained.

Obviously, she didn't know if she was necessarily going to get casted back. That's, we don't, we don't know. That's not the way the show works. We have to be invited back. You know, we have to send our resume, go through all of that process. So yes, if she really wanted it, she should have been prepared. And, you know, so it does come off as like, oh, I'm just like messing around here and I'll go and hang out in the galley. But people do do that.

That's how they get trained up as well. Unfortunately, she got paired with Ben. So, you know. Yeah, he's not the easiest, maybe not the easiest person to like really get in the good graces of. For sure. A hundred percent. Yeah. And I don't think he's necessary.

Like I wouldn't go to Ben for training. You know, and that's not a negative thing towards Ben. Some people are just better at training or have more of an interest in it or more patient. So I do think I completely understood where Ben's frustrations were coming from. There's a lot of pressure for the HODs. Millions of people scrutinizing are livelihood. But at the same time, did Ben manage it very well? No, I think, you know, the more he kind of put her down, it was just going to keep.

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It feels like there are a lot of potential romantic entanglements brewing at this point in the season. And it's a little unclear like, what's real? Is anything going to happen here? I know, you know, Mike is like, well, I want, Daisy would be ideal, but I don't think that's going to happen. So let me see who else I can pick. Yeah. I don't know where this is coming. I don't know what magic power I have on these boats. I don't get any attention off of that show. I'm like, I think it's definitely because I'm like, but like, it's definitely a thing. Men are attracted to like women in charge. Yeah. Yeah. That is, that is like a also because it's like I mean in the you know overall on below deck we haven't had that many

male stews. And so it's like not that many times that it's been like there's a a woman overseeing a man in this. You know, it's just like a, I'm sure he's like several years younger than you. I don't know if he's like, he is younger than me. But I don't know if he's like crazy younger I think he's in his 30s, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good to know. But yeah, I agree.

It's an interesting dynamic for sure because you usually have me coming up against the men in the kitchen or with the counterpart like my first mate. But it was a different, I've never actually don't think I've managed any support in it, like straight directly under me. So, you know, with that escalates as well. You'll see that dynamic and you already kind of see it in season or in episode four where he's kind of giving back chat and that continues. But yeah, it was the love that, yeah, I mean.

We have, well, because we have Ben who is newly single and has a lot to say about the situation that has left him newly single, which that's a whole other can of words. And then we have Alicia who's not single, but kind of acts like she is. Like there's a lot of different like. Yeah. For sure. And again, I love it because it takes, you know, usually kind of mid-season. for some of those relationships to escalate,

whereas this season they were all, you know, hungo going in for it being like, I mean, honestly, like in the crew mess table, they'd all be telling each other who they found. I was like, what is going on? And you're all on heat. But yeah, it's, I always find it a shame when people come on the show and it's happened a few times, at least on my shows.

And they're in relationships and they flirt so heavily. And with people, I don't get it. And because it completely changes the dynamic. Right. If they, like, there would have been a very different show if Alicia had been single. Yeah. Which would have been interesting to see. You know, it still is interesting to see what happens, but it would have changed the dynamics. So I always find that kind of annoying. Especially when they like break up with their boyfriend like a week later. And we all know they're going to as well. It's like, wow, the boyfriend that you were ignoring their phone calls the whole season and we're flirting with other people. It didn't seem to really want to talk about. It's like, oh, that wasn't your true love. Yeah. It's frustrating because we, we see it when we're filming. filming as well. Like, it's, we were like, this is annoying. Like, Alicia, and it wasn't just with Eddie. She flirted it. You hear Joyce say it. She was flirting with everyone, mainly with Eddie. Yeah. He was number one. But it seems like then when Eddie is going to show attention to someone else,

then she's going to be kind of frustrated by it. And it's like, I don't think you could have it both ways. Look, I mean, girls get a bad rap that, you know, they like all the attention. Yeah, spoiler. They like all the attention and you know it's it's not just celicia you kind of see it with jenna with um ellie it i am very fortunate that i um can be jealous but for some reason i'm not in that realm i i'm a real girl's girl not that i'm you know dissing the other girls i get it yeah but i always find it really interesting on the show because it it happens every season they you know you saw in my last season with danny and diana kind of fighting over chase and i don't know i'm always kind the girl like, I'm like, if you like him, go for it.

Like, I don't want to get in the way whereas these girls are like, he's mine. I'm like, okay. Well, I feel like also you've been around this world long enough to know that it's like, whatever happens in the next six weeks is probably not going to be the love of my life. It's not going to be this like, world. But I do think it's, I don't even think it's as deep as that. I just think women are, can be, you know, they can be kind of, what's the word like, catty like that. I just think they really struggle when, and that, that is fair. I think that's a normal feeling. It's not easy to be like,

this girl's prettier than me or the guy I like fancies this girl. It's like, you know, a form of rejection. But I think it's more that. I think the girls just like to be number one. Yeah. Well, and you guys are in such close quarters. There's not really anybody else around. So it's like, if there's only two options, then, you know, it's for sure. Yeah. And I, and that, but that was. with like Alicia, she had Eddie. She turned down Eddie, but still wanted Eddie, you know. And I just find that. I get it, but it's also annoying.

I'm like, girl, you can't have it all. It's like, I've met girls who've like, you know, hooked up with a load of people and then they get mad at you for hooking. And I'm like, you're not allowed to have everyone. I'm like, you have to share these people around. You get poured all the game pieces. Yeah, yeah. They'll be like engaged with three children.

And they're like, no, I liked him. And I'm like, no, you did it, girl. Girl code has limits. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think that with Alicia. Yeah. It's exactly that. It was like, girl.

And you'll see it, you know, trying not to give to spoilers, but you'll see that filter into Jenna and Alicia's friendship. It's not just the Eddie thing. It's, you know, the second stew thing. Like all of these things with girls, there is a limit.

I think sometimes people struggle to be other women's hype women. Yeah, which is, that's really not me trying to diss them. It's human. nature, but you will see that in the season. The second stew thing is always tricky. The lead deck hand always gets messy. I have never cared. I promise you, it is the thing I do not care about. I'm like, I just want my paycheck and to go home. If you want me in laundry or if you want me to boss people around. It's like we're splitting the tip equally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really not a

big thing, but people are obsessed with it. And again, very much a storyline this season. Yeah. I do feel like so far, I don't want to jinx it, but I feel like we've really barely heard about the laundry. That can't last the whole season. There must be a mishap in the laundry at some point. I try not to make it story like because people will come to me and I'm like, is that a t-shirt? Is that clean? I'm like, that can go on your back. Like, I don't want to hear about it. Because below deck is so chaotic. Right. That when, you know, the deck hands come looking to me for tea. I'm like, I don't, does it say large? Is it clean? Put it on your back. luckily, usually with me, it's not too much of a storyline, because I get quite snappy about this.

You're like, we're cutting it off before it even gets to that point. Yeah. They're like, you know, they'll, they'll be like, oh, the laundry room is a mess. And I'm like, the laundry room, the whole boat's a mess. I'm like, I'll come and bring you for a tour if you like. You know, we're doing back-to-back charters, crazy hours with guests like the housewise. I'm like, the laundry is fine. Yeah. At the end of the day, the guests aren't going to see the laundry, whether it's clean or. That is the least of my worries. Like the galley, have you watched me and Ben work together? That is a priority. Not the laundry. Yeah. And I think the galley this season seems like it's going to need a little more attention.

Yeah, the galley is certainly going to be really interesting to watch. That's the thing I'm most looking forward to watching. Yeah. You know, it's so interesting having Ben or any chef having someone else to manage. I think it's really easy to, you know, kind of. look at the interior, look at me and criticize managing, until you're in it, it's a whole other element to your job. And I think the chefs have gotten to hide away. Other people like Colin the engineer, that's why I think sometimes Colin and I conflicted because he would give

pointers on managing. And I'm like, oh, that's nice. You on your phone in the computer room criticizing me and my management skills. And so I think having a sous chef, for Ben is so interesting because they are there as a helping tool, but often they can be a hindrance. Right. Because so many seasons of below deck, the chef is alone in the galley the whole time. Well, every season until down under. And, you know, if things go wrong, it's sort of on them to figure it out. Or sometimes the stew is getting called in. But like, having, yeah, having that kind of relationship with somebody can either make it so much better or can just, you saw with Alicia in that first charter,

it's like every single thing was an issue. For sure. And that is what's interesting about it. You often even hear of like people having assistance. And they're like, oh my God, I'm getting an assistant. And then they get, you know, someone young, obviously, a 20 year old.

They're like, so she doesn't know how to do anything. Yeah. So I'm not actually having to work late because I'm having to redo all that work. And that's part of life. We have to train these people in. We have to train in the next generation. But it's another part of your job. So I think Ben,

having that it's really interesting and I think he you know better the devil you know because he went from one problem to two problems real quick and you know you see it in the trailer and it was fascinating to watch like how him and Alicia clashed and then him and Ellie and I don't really think

any one person was the problem and I think it was a lot of strong personalities and but it's gonna give it's really nice for me because the heat's off me for once so. Yeah. I think it's going to be fun to watch.

I was thinking back, I think the first time that we ever chatted, you were, it was while your season of sailing was airing, but you were working on another boat. Like during the season. And I think it was like over Zoom. You were on like boat Wi-Fi. A lot has changed in the last like five years. I know I remember that. What has, what has it been like for you throughout the seasons?

Obviously like your life off the show has shifted. you've had different opportunities like that. How has it changed for you just kind of the experience of doing the show and like fitting that into your life? Yeah, it's been incredible. I think for me I have been lucky like other reality TV stars might get thrown into it. Like, you know, maybe like a Love Islander or something like that. Whereas for me it was gradual. Those first two years, I certainly wasn't earning enough money that I, you know, I had to keep working.

Right. Which I did. I kept temping on other boats and, and this transition was a little bit slow. And then kind of by my third year, I think I was earning enough that I was able to pursue other opportunities. And I was like, oh, I can actually kind of make this work and kind of give this side of my career more of a chance. And so the last three years, it's just been saying yes to everything and seeing, you know,

because obviously I keep getting asked back and people, you know, I'm doing something right. People enjoy watching me. Not everyone, but some people. And so that's really exciting. And I have loved the last three years of being able to like come to New York, doing things like this with you in person.

Because as well, that was back during COVID. Right, right. And so, you know, I've just like launched my podcast, like doing all of these new projects. And luckily I think it has come in my stride because it has been this slow

transition. It wasn't just over. night. It was during COVID when, you know, I was still working as a chief stew on boats. Yeah. But yeah, the last three years kind of giving this side more of a chance. And yeah, I love it. I love that I've, you know, found this and I love that I've somehow made my career, my personality. It turns out I'm not great at a lot of stuff, but I'm great at having a personality. No, and I think with Below Deck, it's so interesting because over the years and all the different, you know, spinoffs. It's like we've seen, I don't, probably like hundreds of people that have worked in some

capacity on these boats, but there are, there is something to like those personality traits matched with the skill set, obviously of like being good at your job. But like that there is, you know, people are able to build that kind of relationship with the audience that people want them to keep coming back. And especially I think like the chief stews that have have been, you know, on a few seasons or more. It's like it's a it's a two-way street. The audience really feels that relationship too. Totally. I think it's, you know, fascinating. I think it's a fascinating world. I find people fascinating. So I love being part of this. Yeah, obviously, it's right. The seasons, we've kind of had five that have kind of stuck me, Aisha Fraser, Kate and Hannah. Yeah. And there really

is two parts to the job. And it is being really good as a chief shoe, but also, also being good at TV. And being good at TV doesn't mean being a producer plant. It doesn't mean making up storylines. It means being able to be vulnerable. It means being able to show parts of your life that you can be relatable to the audience, whether that means being a love interest, whether it means being able to let your hair down on the nights off, whether it means being funny in your green screen bites. Yeah, kind of being the narrator sometimes. Exactly. And that it's not easy and that's no fault to the other, you know, Chiefs, the other people who didn't quite get there, and because it's not easy. And to get those two parts of the job. And I remember Kate and Hannah

both said it to me on several occasions. They're super supportive. And they've said to me, you know, in person being like, you get it. Yeah. And not everyone gets it. So, yeah, it's two parts of the job. And having to share that vulnerable side is really important. You mentioned traders earlier. I would like to see you in the Traders Castle. Kate's, Kate's done it a couple times. I know. We need another BD person. Well, and this season on Traders,

we have another Irish girl with a bob. Look, we've got more where we've had Kate. I feel like it's an obvious transition for me to come in. No, you know, The Traders is obviously the hot new show at the moment. And I love to be challenged.

And I think it would be really interesting to see how I would do in it. So I would love to be on it. But yeah. We should get like, you and Fraser should do it together. Oh, like a secret couple. Yeah, like, like, oh, are we friends? Are we not?

Are we rivals? I know. I love that. I was so down to do that. But I do think, I think petition out there for the next BD person to come on. And I would, yeah, I think I would be great on it. And I think Below Deck is one of those shows where people don't even necessarily realize, like, how deep the fandom goes. Oh, yeah.

Because it's like a dedicated. group of people who watch it. Like, it's like every Monday night for the last however many years, it's on. For sure. Yeah. And they know everything about boats. They know. They're like, that, that is not how you do that. I'm like, oh my God. And but I think it's, it's really, you know, part of like having my podcast or doing something like the traders is there is so much more to my personality because I am working on Blow Deck. I am, I've got my chief shoe face on. So I'm like, you know, I have other parts of my personality that I would love people to see. And because you are a different person on kind of the other Bravo shows, you get to be your

lighthearted self. Like I, even when I get into like a love relationship, I have to rein it back in when I'm at work. Like I'm like, no, I'm at work. Oh my God. Imagine if you got to pick your own outfits. Oh, I know. I had so many friends and messaging me about our, because I would never wear a chief to you out for like the one I have this year. Because I work, I come from sailboats. Yeah. And then my community and y'all. notting a sailboats and they're like, girl, what is that outfit? They're like, and I went to like Catholic school and they're like, our skirts weren't even that long. I'm like, I know. Well, I've enjoyed seeing you in a different environment this year. I think it's going to be a

fun season. We're still just getting started. But thank you so much for being here. It's always a pleasure. I love it. Thank you for having me. Well, cheers. Thanks everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncooled. Feels like every product claims real protein these days. But real doesn't start on a label. It starts at the source. Like real California milk from California farm families, it's real dairy delivering high-quality, complete protein,

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