Mention It All - Bethenny Still Needs Bravo Ft. Sophie Ross (RHOP)

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

Dylan is joined by Sophie Ross, writer and host of So True, for a debrief on all things Bravo. They start by discussing Bethenny Frankel’s new Bravo-themed podcast, and how the era of Housewives truly outgrowing Bravo is over. Then, they recap this week’s RHOP, with a close look at why Wendy’s approach to friendships isn’t working. They also discuss the plot against Chris Bassett, and when Bravo side hustles don’t pass the sniff test. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promos Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And today I am excited to be joined by a writer, the host of So True with Sophie Ross. Please welcome to the podcast, Sophie Ross. Hi. Hi. How are you? I am doing really well. It is unseasonably warm in New York. City today, but Potomac is also heating up, maybe not temperature-wise, on the show, but

drama-wise. So I'm excited to break it down with you. That's for sure. That's for sure. Also, I need to note that I'm still on the recovery from COVID. I'm COVID-negative, but that's why my voice is like very nasly right now. I'm sorry everyone I don't normally talk like this. Like, my voice is annoying all the time, but it's extra annoying right now.

So just a heads up. Look, being a podcast host in this journey we call life is just a fun exercise in constantly being told what people think of your voice and your way of speaking. And I think you sound great. So I'm glad that you're here. Yeah, everyone's always like the vocal fry. And I'm like, I cannot help it. I'm so sorry.

It's how I talk. Also, people have done some good breakdowns of why complaining about vocal fry is actually rooted in misogyny. So if that is your, if that is your go-to when you're listening to someone speak, maybe check yourself, but also- Check your misogyny. Who cares? Before we get into Potomac, I want to talk with you about a new development we had the other day in the Bravo world. I know you are very into influencer culture, what's happening online, all of this stuff. And so I am excited to get your thoughts about Bethany Frankl's new venture, which is a podcast. And it is a Real Housewives rewatch podcast, which I don't think was what most of us thought was in the cards for Bethany.

but I'll just read a little from this people write up about what the show is going to be. So it will see Frankl watching iconic episodes throughout the Bravo franchise's history like Scary Island, the dinner party from hell, the Who Go and Check Me Boo episode of Atlanta, and the iconic table flip from New Jersey. And then each week, Frankl will be joined by unexpected thought leaders and celebrities like Elizabeth Moss, Jerry Springer, Susie Orman, Kevin Neillan, barstool sports founder, Dave Portnoy, TikTok star Griffin Johnson, Marin Morris and more.

I don't understand what the Housewives rewatch aspect has to do with you interviewing Jerry Springer. No one says thought leader like Dave Portnoy for sure. Thought leader is just a, it's a fun title to throw around and to see who

societally do we consider to be thought leaders. And this is an interesting list to apply that label to TikTok star Griffin Johnson. thought leader. A thought leader, a philosopher. I said this actually on, I recorded my, I do every other Monday and so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey.

And we talked about this in the episode we recorded on Sunday, which is out Monday today, which is when we're recording. But I said this then. And I actually got this from someone's like Twitter. So I didn't come up with this joke, but I think it's so apt. It's like Bethany is the band member. who leaves the band to go solo at the height of their fame. And then it like doesn't pan out.

So they end up just using like the band's greatest hits covering the band's greatest hits for the rest of their career after their solo career doesn't pan out. And that's the vibe I'm getting from this. I was saying to a friend the other day after this was announced that I think Bethany and some of the other kind of early era housewives breakouts are in an interesting position in their lives, careers, fame trajectory, because there was a time when somebody like Bethany or Nini Leaks or Lisa Vanderpump maybe had this kind of level of fame that stretched beyond the Housewives fandom, that it was, oh, before I was even watching Roney, I knew about Bethany because I would see her

on a magazine cover, and then I knew that she had a talk show and she had this spinoff and people were talking about her wedding and her baby and all of this stuff. And there was a moment in pop culture where people like Bethany and Nini kind of had this broader cultural impact. But I think what we're seeing now and in the last couple of years is we've kind of moved into a new phase of Housewives fandom where Bravo as an entity is bigger than these individual people. So if you're somebody like Bethany in 2022, you're always going to still have that label of former Real Housewives star Bethany Frankel, and you don't have kind of clout above that anymore. And so now we're seeing kind of having to fold in on yourself in order to extend that reign of whatever and to get those

deals and to cash in on. And it's like, I don't think Bethany is going to come back to housewives, or at least I don't think she wants to. But in this way, you're seeing her kind of recognize that she can't just never speak about it again and still get to do whatever projects she wants and make a ton of money and be famous. People are always going to think of her as housewife, Bethany Frankl. Right. And that's like, that's an interesting point because I feel like for my perspective, since I'm like in the housewives world, I'm like, yes, the real housewife, Sutton's track. Will an average person who doesn't watch real housewives or doesn't care about Bravo know who Sutton is? Probably not. Back in the day, though, like you said, like Teresa's table flip was like

international news. But yeah, I think that's a great point that Bravo is kind of, you're never going to be bigger than Bravo, even though, you know, there was a point where Lisa Van der Pump might have been bigger than Bravo and definitely thought she was. And I do like Lisa Vanderpump, but I think that, you know, it's like, how are you going to stay relevant forever? Yeah. And even having like having BravoCon last month and how big of an event that was and that even

the most the most kind of famous people on Broadway. were at that event doing their photo op, sitting down for their panel, attending, watch what happens live. And even somebody as embattled as Lisa Rina lately at the end of the day when push came to shove, it was still like, yeah, I should probably show up to this thing and make, you know, shake the hands and make the right people happy. Having somebody like even Larsa Pippen, the idea that she's just at BravoCon, it's It is kind of funny.

It's like, we're living in this world where the Bravo machine and the fan community is more important to these people than just being famous. Larsa Pippig going from like a Kardashian private island to BravoCon. Like, oh, how the mighty have fallen. But also, I'm pretty sure, I'm 99.9% sure that it's in their contracts that they have to go to BravoCon. So it's like not really like they have a choice. There was something. I would love to know all of the behind the scenes maneuvering of making sure. that everyone showed up at BravoCon. But like, like you're saying, the only, literally the only current

housewives that weren't at BravoCon were Diana and Jen Shaw. So like, clearly there was something, something, uh, giving people a reason to not bail on that last minute. Because you know there are some people who didn't really want to be there. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, Jen Shaw like crashed it anyway or tried to. So that, I like didn't even think about Diana because I have kind of forgotten about her already. Um, but yeah, she, I would say that Diana has the money to breach her contract. And she probably knew she would get like, she would, she would get jumped at BravoCon with how the fan base feels about her. Yeah. And that's about all I feel like I want to say about Diana Jenkins because I'm not trying to get a cease and test letter. Yeah. Absolutely not. Keep us out of that. I know. I'm like, I'm not going to at a certain point like all the Bethany stuff too. I kind of stopped paying attention because once she started sending out like, see synthesis and stuff. I'm like, I don't, I don't think I'm going to talk about this really. So I'm not going to, I'm just going to distance myself. But the podcast is interesting. I'm going to disengage from talking about Bethany. Also, she really captured the ire of Gen Z on

TikTok recently. And I like wasn't really following that saga. But yeah, she's kind of been getting a lot of hate lately. So I think it's an interesting time for her to like announce this. Yeah. It is one of those things where I'm like, The podcast could be interesting, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't know if there's really anything that would make me particularly care. There are people that apparently care about two T's in a pod. I'm like, who are these people that listen to this? Because it could not be me.

Every once in a while, I will get somebody saying to me, like, you know, two T's is actually really good. And I'm like, I don't not believe it. Like, I like Tamara a lot. I think, you know, Teddy has her moments maybe, but. No, I disagree with that. I'm like, yes, Tamara, no Teddy. I just feel like with my busy schedule in life, it's never once occurred to me.

It's just like, you know what? I'm just going to throw it on. I'm just going to throw on two T's in a pod and like see what all the hype is about. Like, I just will never ever like sink that low. And I'm so sorry, if you listen to T's a pod and you're listening to this. I'm so glad that there are so many people that like are so gung-ho about Bravo podcast because hello. It's really great for people like Dylan and myself, but two T's in a pod, zero interest. And same with Bethany's podcast. It's like I'm just never ever going to be interested or, you know,

never going to set aside the time to actually listen to it unless I'm like dying of boredom. But there's surely going to be an audience for it because if there's an audience for Teddy Mellonkamp's podcast, then yes, there will be an audience for Bethany's. Exactly. And I think that's that's one thing where, especially when these people are signing bigger deals. Like Bethany's doing her podcast with IHeart, it's like she's already made money from it just because somebody gave her a deal to do it. It's not like she needs 10 million people to be listening to this podcast for her to see any kind of return from it.

It's like, yeah, she'll show up. She'll do it. She'll get Susie Orman and it'll be. Yeah. Dave Portnoy. She already has a platform and it sounds like she's going to have guests with platforms. She is going to have a ton of listeners. So, well, best of luck to Bethany.

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You know what? I feel like Potomac, I actually binge-watched Potomac from the beginning during COVID, which was like such a fun journey because it's really just a fun franchise. Like, it's just comedy. I think it's just the most fun franchise. I feel like you have the really dark energy with like Beverly Hills or Salt Lake City. Like, I feel like it's just fun and lighthearted most of the time. Obviously there's drama, but it's like, it's fun drama.

It's not like dark and depressing. I feel like this season, obviously a lot of it, it's falling into that real housewives trap of like, there are a lot of like manufactured. Like I think the, the, what was the party called that Wendy decided to host where they basically just talk shit to each other? The burn session. Yeah, the burn session. I'm like, this is so just like produce. Like it's, it's clearly, you know, they're trying to try to do something for the cameras.

I think obviously the Chris Bassett storyline is like very heavily. being kind of produced by by jizzy and co behind the scenes um so i'm not like obsessed with this season right now but i know it's it's potomac it's always going to be good so i'm excited to see especially with like the ashley derby stuff yes very very invested in ashley darby's life right now um and i'm a certified basset hound this season for sure and i would not have been able to say that probably a year ago like i was so team monique i'm sorry and now I'm just, I'm a Basset Hound right now. So I'm really, really into Candace and Ashley, their storylines.

I like that you have been able to kind of ride the wave of the last few seasons and just go wherever, go wherever the tide takes you in terms of your loyalties and who you like in the cast. Because I think sometimes people, Housewives fans get so stuck in, I am this person, I'm team this person. and no matter what, I'm going to hate the other person. And being a Candace fan at this point, it's like this season so far, it does feel like she is really just kind of minding her own business. And all of this stuff is being brought to her doorstep that feels kind of pointed. Like, it feels like there is something, there is some kind of coordinated effort going on with all of this stuff that's being,

you know, stirred up about Chris. And while I think anybody has the right to have feelings about an interaction they've had, or, you know, if something, you know, Giselle saying he made her feel uncomfortable, okay, sure, maybe. Maybe he made you feel uncomfortable. But the way that it's all being like, okay, so he sent this DM to Ashley, which is a weird way of describing, you know, responding to someone's story anyway. And then he also made Giselle feel uncomfortable at the reunion. And then he also was like, I fucking Mia at the party, which he, literally wasn't. And then surprise. Now Ashley heard from somebody else that he was also being flirty with them at the party. And then also Ashley's heard that he was sending DMs to other people. And the way that all of this is just kind of coming up like one after another, it doesn't quite, it doesn't feel organic. And I think obviously on these shows, there's always going to be some kind of guiding hand of production beneath the surface. But this time, like, it feels a little too, a little, a little too far-fetched that it's like, I, this, this wouldn't be

happening. And everybody can agree that until three weeks ago, they had never heard a negative thing about Chris. Yep. That's the thing. It's like how many seasons has Chris been on the show now? Like going on, I don't know, like five. Like four or five, yeah. Four or five. And we've never ever heard of Chris, Chris having unsavory behavior. And obviously that's like, you know, it can happen whenever to whomever. And I guess they're trying to argue in the show, well, maybe Chris is different this season.

Maybe he's different this year. Have you ever thought of that, Candace? And she's like, but he's not. Like, he's the same Chris that looks as you guys as like siblings. And I love how production,

they were like, Chris not looking at Mia. Like, I love that. Like, you can tell that production is like, this is bullshit. They left in the fourth wall thing also,

which was great. Like, we as viewers love that when they break the fourth wall. And I feel like the fact that production was like, Candace is not having this. She's not buying into this at all. I thought it said, you know, a lot about where production stands on this, that, yeah, this is kind of smelling like a shakedown. And I did like how Ashley, how Candice to Ashley made a great point.

She was like, when I came to you with legitimate concerns about Michael Darby, and Michael Darby did have a pattern. of inappropriate behavior since season one of him being on the show, I came to you in private, not in like a big group to embarrass you or gang up on you. And I think, you know, that's a great point. If you actually were concerned, why wouldn't you just like come to Candace in private? But it's not about being concerned. It's about a shape down.

Right. And it wouldn't have been approached as something that, you know, we're at this, like you said, kind of produced event where the whole point is we're going to sit down. And yeah, there's this structure. where somebody's in the hot seat and you're writing it on the paper and then you're saying it and you're burning the paper and you're talking through it. But it's really just, uh, it's really just a pre-planned sit down for everybody to, you know, talk about the drama. And it's like, we get through one round of that with Wendy and the hot seat. And then all of a sudden, it's like Robin Storms off. Everything's

going poorly. And Ash is like, oh, Candice, by the way, I did have a, I did have something I wanted to bring up. It's like I totally understand why Candace is kind of like, again, we're this is not, we're not doing this. I don't, I don't, it just doesn't feel like you were saying, though, about Mia, the editors really, really love to give Mia a hard time in the most entertaining ways. The scene at her house this episode where she's having dinner with her husband and kids and they're talking about opening their 25th clinic and she's like, well, you know, it's so hard on me. We work so hard. Back to last season of her just rearranging the pamphlets. It's like Mia at work and she's just like moving the pamphlets to the other side of the table.

I think like Mia is just, she just, I just think she's so funny in the, in kind of an unintentional way that it's like everything she does is just like a little bit off. Uh-huh. No, she's a great housewife because we love delusional housewives. Like we love a crazy pathological liar who's like just like delusional. They're not like, I wouldn't say that Mia's like malicious. She's just like delusional. It's kind of like Sherey.

And that makes a great housewife. Like I'm, I'm so like, I'm so team me. I was so excited that she was coming back this season because I, there were obviously rumors that she wasn't after last season. So yeah, I love Mia. I love that Robin is like really bringing it the season. Because since, you know, Robin's premiere on the show in season one, people have said that she's more of a side character friend of.

And yeah, she's really bringing it the season. So I'm, like, really obsessed with Robin right now, too. Totally. I think you can tell, like, production and the editing, they kind of want Robin to have a moment this season, too, because the way that they left in Wendy's hot mic thing talking to the producer about how, you know, they all know that me as a liar are...

Yeah, okay, that's... Sometimes, like, what I'm talking about these shows, And like the names just escape my brain and then I don't remember who I'm talking about. But yeah, Wendy's hot mic moment, leaving that in, it really kind of makes Robin's case stronger with the whole thing about Wendy because we all know that beneath the surface when she thinks she's not on camera, she's not actually a friend to Mia the way that she says she is. And so you sort of see with Robin, it's like she has all these frustrations and then us having that fourth wall moment, there's like even extra momentum behind Robin because you're like,

yeah, and we all know that Wendy said this when she thought she wasn't being recorded. Yeah. I do. Yeah. She was right about Wendy. Yeah. I do also, it's always great when a housewife mixes up the difference between oil and water and oil and vinegar.

It's so, I was waiting for that. I was waiting for that. I was like, who said it originally? I think Robin said it to Wendy. were like oil and water and then Wendy repeated it. She was like, you said we're like oil and vinegar. And I was like, oil and vinegar go together. Like it has to be explained to every housewife who uses that phrase.

And I love it. It never gets old. Babe, that's just dressing. Hey, that's just dip for your bread at the table. That's just a vinaigrette. But yeah. And like with obvious, it's interesting because I think Wendy is a really compelling character on housewives.

She has a lot going on. Obviously, we all, you know, the four degrees, the, you know, being Nigerian, her kids, her careers, like all of this stuff, I think, gives her a very, it's a rich text to pull from. But I think the ways that she interacts with the women in the group sometimes makes it hard to really get, to really root for her or to feel like she is invested in, making friendships in the group because they're talking about how she's condescending, how she can be aloof. And she even admits to that. But then she's going through this whole

kind of facade of putting on this event and making everybody drive two hours in the sprinter van to this bleak winery where they're like burning their pieces of paper. But she's not actually ready to come to the table and admit anything that she's done wrong. And so I think at the end of the day, it falls a little flat because it's like, if you're going to put on this whole big show, you have to actually be willing to put in the interpersonal work to move the storyline along. Wendy's, I think Wendy's downfall as a housewife will always be the fact that she's just disingenuous. I think that the hot mic moment, there was that. There was also her whole storyline last season about, you know, however, I was like, you've changed.

Like all of a sudden you have your your new boobs, you have happy and nests, which is like whatever, do whatever you want with your body. You have like potentially this BBL that you're not really admitting to. You also are like, screw my four degrees. I want to start a candle line. And now it's like, now she wants to start a restaurant. So it's like, who really are you? Like I just like I can't I can't figure out who Wendy really deep down is because I feel like we're always getting a different Wendy every season. Like I feel like she doesn't really know who she is.

Um, and yeah, I just think, you know, it was something that she got a lot of heat for last season was like the rehearsed reads. Like, TikTok Mia. Like, she got a lot of heat for that because it was like, how many times did you rehearse that in the mirror? Like she she doesn't have like the natural like it factor of a housewife. I feel like she is still trying to find her footing. And it's taking her a little too long to kind of figure out like who she is as a housewife. And it's like, I don't know. I feel like I'm always so like I don't know how to feel about Wendy because sometimes I am on her side.

A lot of the time I'm not. And I think the bottom line is that she's just like disingenuous and tries too hard and doesn't really know who she is and doesn't know how she wants to portray herself as. So yeah, I don't know with Wendy. I'm always wanting to give Wendy a chance because I really like turn her first season. Yeah. I think I fall somewhere in the middle where it's like I think there's a lot there. and I don't dislike her as, you know, I don't think she's like a terrible person, but I think when you think about the friendships on the show and Potomac does this so well,

it feels like between Karen, Jazeel, Robin, Ashley, and Candice, there is this genuine push and pull and ebb and flow of the relationships between all five of those women, that it's even just in this one episode, this one, four, 43 minute episode, you have Ashley and Candice having this kind of great scene at the beginning where Ashley finally goes to Candace's house for the first time that she's lived in for like two years. They're talking about all this stuff that's gone on between them. You know, Ashley's being really open about what's going on with her and Michael. It feels like they have finally come to a place where they can sort of get back to them,

their original friendship. and then at the end of the hour, things have completely turned on their head in a way that feels like we're watching a real relationship kind of being put through the ringer. And obviously we've seen, you know, Karen and Giselle go on the roller coaster a million times, but you can tell there's that kind of mutual respect.

And at its core, I think they are friends, but they just sometimes are on that, like, wrong page with each other. But with Wendy, I don't know that there's, quite that same authentic foundation. And in a group where there is so much of that, it kind of- It sticks out. Right. And it wears a little thin

because once she's been on the show three seasons now, it's like, okay, I don't think you and, like, Robin doesn't care about repairing her friendship with Wendy because she and Wendy aren't really friends. And never really were. Right. Whereas if Robin's in a bad place with Ashley, let's say, there is a genuine core there of love and respect and whatever for each other where it actually like where it's painful if you're not in a good place with someone like that and you you always

feel that tug even if you're mad at them to get back to a better place whereas if it's just somebody you don't like who's bothering the hell out of you I'm not like oh yes as as quick as we can we should get back to a place of loving each other because it's like No, like, I would rather just not hang out with you. That's honestly such a good point because I feel like that's kind of, what makes any housewife show successful is like genuine friendships. That's why it's really hard when you can like tell that someone was cast just because of, you know, their name or whoever it is that doesn't really have any connection to the existing cast.

And I think that Potomac is so unique that it has what four OGs still to this day on the show. And they were genuine friends. thanks to Cherise, who we do not need back, in my opinion, but thanks to Cherise, who apparently was the kind of ringleader of the group originally or who the show was built around. They have been genuine friends for a really long time, and that's why I think Wendy and Mia especially stick out. Like, it's hard for them to truly enmesh themselves into what's going on. Yeah. And what else was I going to say?

Candice, even though Candice isn't an OG, like she has really genuinely came to feel like an OG to us, the viewers, because she is so enmeshed in the group. And I think there is genuine love and friendship there. I, I like can't even remember what Robin and Wendy, like, again, I know that they're not. They really haven't been genuine friends. But like, what? What kind of sparked Robin being like, fuck Wendy? Fuck Wendy, your children aren't even invited to Kids Day.

Yeah. What happened? Just to keep it in this season, I think at that premier party, the way that kind of people were talking about Mia's health situation, I think really Robin felt like after that Wendy was being two-faced the way that she was offering, acting like she was so supportive to Mia. And like, she was so horrified that Robin and Giselle would question her situation when behind the scenes. she was doing the exact same thing. And so I think for Robin, she really felt kind of betrayed by Wendy in a way in that situation. And then, of course, they had that big fight at the dance studio, which the fact that so much

of this is rooted to like Ashley's twerk class is just, I love it. But yeah, so I think she really just felt in that moment, like Wendy kind of was so committed to this lie of her being solely supported. to Mia through her health stuff. And I do love, I agree, I don't need Cherise back, like, as a housewife. But I do think it's fun having her in the mix. And I love that she's willing to just be on call for Robin to just go on speakerphone and fully just lie to say that Robin was right.

And she was like, no, no, I never put my hands on you to hold you back at all. And then the video was literally like full grasp of her shoulders. And every time she shows up, Karen runs away. Oh my God. Karen feigning illness at the kids day to just like get away from Cherise. I love to see it. I know. So classic. So classic. Okay. That's right. That's right. And again, it's like because Wendy is so disingenuous. Like she is she is too face. She does put on a show for the cameras versus how she is kind of in real life. Whereas I feel like, you know, I like to think that Robin Giselle, Ashley, Karen, Candace, etc. They are who they are. And yes, there is stuff that they, you know, bring to the cameras drama-wise, that they wouldn't if the cameras weren't around. But overall, they are who they are and they stick to their word and kind of, yeah.

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excited to watch their conversations with each other. Whereas sometimes when we have newer people in the cast, it's like. Leva. Leva on Southern Charm, no one wants to watch you bake cookies with your, I'm sorry, they're cute, but we do not care about you. No, that's a good, it's a good example. Like, for the most part, anytime you have somebody newer in the cast, but specifically sometimes it feels like you're sort of being force fed this person's storyline.

And it's like, I mean, I don't have anything against you, but I don't really need to watch. I don't care about. Right. She was how they're Marcy, Shep's pregnant cousin. Why were we supposed to care about her? But again, it's like that's the difference. When you're invested in, when you're already invested in someone, you're like, yeah, I do want to watch you navigate pregnancy. I do want to watch you bake cookies with your kids because I'm invested in you and invested

in your rapport and relationship with your kids. But like with a new person, I'm like, I do not give a fuck. Right. Like Candace's IVF journey that maybe is maybe or maybe not going to happen. Like that is interesting to me. Robbins back and forth about how she feels about getting married again, the pre-nup stuff. Like all of that, I feel like I want the status updates. I, seeing her kind of work through this with a lawyer, I think is really interesting.

And the way that her Wans past infant. fidelity is kind of this like shadow in her mind that she can't quite get rid of. And she says she wants to be realistic. Like all of that stuff, I feel like is super compelling. And then, you know, Wendy with the Nigerian lounge and one needing X amount of money and does she have too much on her plate? It's like, yeah, you have too much on your plate. We know this. You know this. So what are we still doing here? What are we doing here? Like how does Eddie even put up with He's like, damn it, I have to freaking fund another passion project that's going to last six months, just like he did with the, he was like, you still have your home line. You're still a professor and like a TV commentator.

Just like choose one, Wendy, you know? Like I'm not saying women can't contain multitudes, but like you do have a lot going on right now. I actually did like her conversation with Ashley on the way to the winery where she was kind of critiquing the idea that being booked in. busy is the goal. Like, I think that is a, I think that's a worthwhile conversation to have. And I think a lot of, a lot of women on Bravo and on Real Housewives could have a lot of really interesting thoughts about that kind of societal construct. But then also it's like, then don't do the lounge. Right. Right. No, that's a good point. That's a good point about, you know, that conversation that they had. I will say, I have smelled an Anya Home Essentials

candle, it smells delicious. Have you smelled one of Karens? You know, I've never smelled LaDham. I don't know. I'd be curious. If they wanted to send me LaDame, I would happily receive LaDome, but it's, I'm not going to shell out for it. La Dom PR people, if you're listening to this, we want on the list.

I have lightly tried in the past and they're not super, they're not super with it. What? Oh, I remembered. I remembered what I was going to say about that. I think that a lot of not just house eyes at people on Bravo are like my time with this platform might be limited. So it's like I have to get this. You know, it's like I keep going back to Southern Charm. I don't know why.

I think it's because I was like just listening to watch what crapans about Winterhouse. It's like Craig's Pillow Company. He really is not someone with work ethic or someone who is. intelligent at all. I'm sorry, Craig apologists. Craig is a dumb idiot. But it's like he really was at the right place at the right time with having this platform and coming up with this kind of like unique idea to have a pillow company. And like that's what I feel like every Bravo star at some point does try to tap into where it's like what can sustain my lifestyle even if I don't end up on housewives anymore or if I get fired from the show or whatever happens. Um, so yeah, but that's what it feels like.

That's why it's like watching Wendy spitball all of these like different ideas that she can promote on the house size platform. It's like you're doing this because you have the platform, not because you're like really passionate about it. Right. I think that's a good kind of dichotomy as you can tell when somebody has a passion project that the platform helps bring to fruition versus when somebody is like, okay, it's it's the new season. Let's do candles. or let's do skin care. Nigerian Lounge. Right.

The amount of like when I think of like Gina Kershenheider's skincare company, I'm like, I like, oh, okay, I guess. Like that's just, I mean. I forgot about that. Shannon Bador though, success story from the OC. Shannon Bador, we love you, Shannon. With her tincture. Yeah, her tincture.

And her cream cheese salmon. What about that? don't know anything about the tinctures except for I always see her on the ship station commercial where she's like, when I first started shipping my product, all of my processes were slow and manual. And now ships here. I'm like, I don't know if any. Yeah, Shannon, it was slow and manual before. I don't know if anybody's buying this ship, but if they are, she's got her shipping down to a tea. And we love that for her. We love that for her. I, right. So it's like there are, I mean, there's Gina's skincare.

I'm sorry. There are so many examples I could have used. That was the one that came to mind. But like you can, you can always just kind of feel that, that little like ping in the back of your head when you're like, this is a storyline. And they probably sometimes, I'm sure sometimes it's more of a legit business than others. But there are some of them where it's like, I don't even think you care if this ever really like makes it to market. You just are, have something. Like, did, was PK's non-alcoholic champagne ever available for purchase?

That's a great question. I don't know. I haven't heard about it since then. Me neither. Someone needs to find out, please. How many products that we've seen on a Bravo show were never fully actually launched? You know what was like really sad, though, when I was watching Potomac from the beginning? Because I hadn't watched it before like 2020.

And what was Giselle's skin care line? True beauty. Every hue. Every hue. Every hue. Her heart was in the first. right place. And I knew since I was watching it kind of what's word retroactively, I knew when I researched the company, I was like, this company is no more. So it was like kind of really sad to watch

because I think her heart was in the right place. But it's like you can't break out into the cosmetics or skincare. It's, I mean, skincare, we see, you know, some of these housewives are like celebrity. Like, Haley Bieber, we get it. Your peptide lip treatment is good. Okay. But like, I feel like with makeup especially, like, you're not going to break into makeup. People already have their makeup favorites, like, even with skincare, it's really hard. So, but I think Giselle's heart was in the right place. And I think that even the fact that people don't rub it in her face, that like, what happened to every hue, Giselle? Like, if I hated someone, I would be bringing up their failed business venture, like, every time I got in a fight with them.

But it just makes me sad that it didn't work out. Right. There are those kind of passion projects where it's like the one that got away a little bit. And then there's just like, yeah, we don't talk about the non-alcoholic champagne because. because it wasn't real to begin with. Or like, where's Rina Rose? Where's Rana? Oh, my God.

Great question. Where is it? Where is it, Rina? Where is it, bitch? Oh, my gosh. I feel like, what better note to end on than begging the people for some Rina Rosei? But Sophie, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for having me.

This was so much fun. Of course, you're welcome back anytime. Let the people know where they can follow you, listen to you, all of that good stuff. Yes, my podcast so true with Sophie Ross comes out every Tuesday. I'm on Ryan Bailey. So bad it's good every other Monday. We talk all things pop culture. You can find me on Twitter while I still have Twitter. We'll see what happens with that. At Sof Ross with four S's. I'm on Instagram at Soap underscore Ross. And I also have a substack where I like talk about, I talk about Bravo stuff occasionally, but also like celeb gossip and whatever I feel like talking about at sophy Ross at substack.com. So yeah. Love that. If you're going to do a parody Instagram account, just make sure you're explicitly clear about... Explicitly clear that I'm a parody, otherwise permanent suspension. Yeah, I just feel like whatever we say about Twitter is going to be irrelevant 48 hours from now. So enjoy it well at last.

I'm so hating this. I'm really hating this. As someone whose favorite social media app is Twitter and has been Twitter, I'm like, I don't know what to do with myself. I think I've lost who I am. I'm a strong sure. Where are the Housewives going to event their frustrations during the episodes? We're going to have to bring back the Bravo blogs. The Bravo blogs. I miss those. Wow.

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