Mention It All - Craig & Mauricio’s Red Flag Spectacular (RHOBH & Summer House)

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

To round out the week, Dylan is back with a solo episode, recapping the latest episodes of RHOBH and Summer House. (Or maybe ranting about the men on these shows more than recapping, but what’s the difference?) Aside from the issues with Craig and Mauricio, there’s also lots of news to get to, starting with Lisa Vanderpump’s biggest Vegas venture yet. He also has updates on Tamra leaving RHOC, and Lisa Barlow (hopefully) not leaving RHOSLC. Plus, reactions to the trailer for season 2 of The Valley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. It's Thursday. And just like every day, as of late, we have a bunch of stuff to get into. We've got some Beverly Hills we're going to talk about. Summer House, some news updates, a Valley trailer, Tamara update. first some exciting news coming out of Las Vegas, Nevada. We are getting our first Bravo-Lebrity-themed hotel property on the Las Vegas strip. That's right.

Cesar's is opening a Vanderpump Hotel in early 2026. When this press release found its way into my inbox, I gasped a little bit because, look, Lisa Vanderpump, hospitality icon, you know, reality TV icon. She's very successful. But to have your name on the side of a building on Las Vegas Boulevard, it's pretty major. I have been fortunate enough to travel to Vegas to experience Elisa Vanderpump experience, but not like this. I have not stayed in a Lisa Vanderpump designed hotel room. Nicolane is going to put his whole Nicholasy into this hotel. And I cannot wait to see all of the weird and wacky chandeliers they come up with. How many, you know, stone animals, peacocks, flamingos, wolves, they have,

you know, situated on the bars. It's going to be a sexy wonderland. And I can't wait to see it. It is like breaking my brain a little bit to think that I was in Las Vegas three months ago for Elisa Vanderpump restaurant. And then probably likely maybe going to Vegas in November for BravoCon. And then perhaps going to Vegas again next year. Like, you guys, my body wasn't made for this. I am not a Vegas person. I respect the Vegas hustle. but to me I'm like my throat is dry

everything's expensive I just I looked at the mini bar and it was $54 just for looking at it I'm excited to see the Vanderpump Hotel though it's actually it's a great location on the strip so they're renovating and rebranding the Cromwell which is like right next to the flamingo which is where her newest spot pinkies is

it's close to the Paris it's close to Caesar's Palace where her other restaurants are. It's going to be cute. It's going to be chic. It's like a boutique hotel. It's like 200 rooms compared to Caesar's Palace. It's like, I don't know, like 6,000 or something. So it's a small, you know, a small little slice of a sexy wonderland. But I'm excited to see it. In some less uplifting news, I guess, we have some updates from Tamara, who of course was crashing out a little bit over the weekend and departed. The Real Houseways of Orange County trip to New Orleans and posted it on Instagram that she was out. She has released an episode of her podcast, Two T's and a Pod, with Teddy this week, where she elaborated just a bit. The phrase she used was that she hit a wall, said like she was going into a full depressed mode.

And she talked, she didn't get into like details, details, if I'm being honest. It's more like she said that the show was a lot. and Teddy's health situation was a lot and she's going to therapy, which is a good thing, and I'm happy that she's going to therapy. It wasn't like X, Y, Z reason are making it so I can't continue on the show. It was more like everything's very hectic right now. And look, I am somebody who has not spent 15 years on a reality TV show and I can look from afar and say, hey, if you have a lot going on, it's probably not the best thing for you to be doing. So, honestly, like, I support Tamara in her figuring out whatever she needs to figure out.

I thought it was interesting on this episode, from what I heard, I didn't listen to the full thing, but some clips. It didn't seem like Tamara really closed the door on returning to Housewives this season. Like, it was very much like, this is what happened. This is where I'm at. But it wasn't like, and for this reason, I will never again be on Real Housewives of Orange County. It's like, actually, if you go back and look at this season of Beverly Hills, there was a period where Kyle, like, took a break from filming, and that was maybe, I don't know, a week or two, but you don't even notice when you're watching the show. So obviously, if Tamara is, like, leaving a trip early, that's not something they're going to be able to

sort of just edit around. But jury is out on how much this is really going to impact the overall season. And I'm curious to see, of course, later this year, when we get the full product. In other Real Housewives cast rumors, there's been a lot of speculation this week that Lisa Barlow was like in some sort of contract negotiation dispute over next season of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City that she was refusing to film or she was holding out for more money. And then we did the time honored tradition of people reporting on her, taking RHOSLC out of her Instagram bio, which you guys. we have to be better than that. We must move on. Taking something out of your Instagram bio, first of all, it could mean nothing. Second of all, we have seen countless housewives over the years use this as, I don't know if it's a negotiation tactic or just a principal thing of like, right now I don't have a contract signed, so I'm not going to have it in my bio because they're not paying me right now.

or I've seen differing opinions or differing, you know, accounts of whether or not Lisa you ever even had that acronym in her Instagram bio. So we just, it's not, it's not the like smoking gun that people always want to think it is. It's like, okay, it could mean something. It could not. I personally don't have time for the conspiracy theories. But we did see a few days ago yesterday. I don't know. Time is weird. This week has felt very long. Lisa and John, on some sort of balcony,

being filmed by a camera. I don't have full confirmation that this is a Bravo camera, a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City camera, but they're filming something. And that seems like positive news to me. It's just when we're in this phase of shows casting and starting to film and, you know, nothing has been announced or confirmed. Bravo doesn't really do that for the most part. No information is as concrete as anybody wants you to think it is. And I say this as somebody who is also in the social media game, in the Bravo, you know, content game, it's tempting. I know it is, but casting rumors, filming rumors, firing rumors, contract rumors, take it with a great assault. I I promise.

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It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. It does seem like that cast must be getting expensive. I would be very curious to know if all of the Salt Lake OGs are being paid the same amount and what that amount is getting up to now. And if perhaps that's a source of contention, like I could see Lisa Barlow. being the type of businesswoman to say, well, I don't think Whitney and I should be making the same amount because Whitney's boring and I'm the star. And so if you want me to come back for season six,

you need to pay me more. And then that could become the headache of all headaches for whoever is doing these negotiations. Because if Whitney finds out that Lisa started making more than her, you know, Whitney's going to have something to say, we just don't know. But I'm hoping all of our ladies are returning because that would be, it would be bad if they weren't. The one other piece of news to get into is that we finally got our trailer for season two of the Valley, which is premiering just over a month away, April 15th, I think. And it looks so good. You guys, it looks so good. It looks so good. It looks so good. It looks massive. It looks massive. messy. Messy beyond. In this trailer, there is so much going on. I mean, first of all, I don't know if

there's a happy couple in the bunch, and I kind of wouldn't have it any other way. Of course, we're going to see a lot of Brittany and Jack's shrapnel. We see Jack's getting served with divorce papers, I guess. I don't know. Brittany's like, I told him it was going to be divorce, filing for divorce, restraining order, custody. Like, damn girl, those legal bills are going to stack up. There's Jack's sobriety stuff, which is going to be just like a doozy. And I don't know if that's in a good way or a bad way. We'll see how that goes on the show.

I'm a little nervous. We see Jack's talking to Tom Schwartz about how he really, realizes that he was a shitty husband, but a damn good father. And it's like, okay, if you say so, that's not my call to make. We'll see. We'll talk to Cruz in 15 years. We see Michelle and Jesse's situation appears to have deteriorated. There's a moment in the trailer where she calls him an alcoholic, and he's like, well, it's okay because you're a hooker.

these fucking people not one ounce of kuth not one inch of restraint there's like danny and nia they're having issues um who you know Janet and Kristen still seem to hate each other's guts there's a fight that looks to be very um very heated on a boat and you see Kristen just charging off down the dock and She's like, you're a fucking fan. You're a fucking fan. Kristen's engagement is in the trailer. Kristen obviously is pregnant. There is just so much.

It's such a rich text. This is like a three-minute trailer. I think this trailer is more action-packed than like Mission Impossible. These people, it is, I know I've talked about this, you know, ad nauseum before, so I don't want to belabor the point. But like, it is truly crazy how little anybody was looking forward to this show and how good it has turned out to be. Just brilliance. Excellence. I love to see it.

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You guys, I think I'm getting off the train with the Denise Richards show. They're still, they've done, it's 30-minute episodes, but the first two weeks they've put out two at once. I'm like, the point of 30-minute episodes is that you don't have to suffer through a whole hour. And I do mean suffer. One of the episodes this week was around. a funeral for a lizard. We did that on Vanderpump Rules three years ago and everybody hated it then. Everybody hated it then. That was to, at the time, I can put myself back in the shoes of 2020 or whatever that was. That was one of the most maligned episodes of Vanderpump Rules in 11 seasons.

We don't need to do it again. I don't want to watch it. In the words of Valerie Cherish, I don't want to want to see that. Look, the Denise spin-off at the end of the day is, like, not that important, so I don't want to act. Like, it's this, like, national travesty, because at the end of the day, who cares? But, like, I don't want to see that. If you're enjoying it, I have heard from a few people who have been enjoying it. I know our friend Gibson Johns is enjoying it. I've seen just other comments and reactions that people like it.

They think it's fun. They think it's light. I think that's all well and good. I just don't understand it from like a programming perspective. And I talked about this last week with Rachel Lindsay. Like it just feels like a strange allocation of resources. Limited resources. You know, there's layoffs happening everywhere.

Budgets are being slashed. It just seems like a strange choice. I mean, recession indicator vibes. 11 out of 10. And maybe, you know, maybe that's. Maybe that's where we're headed. On TikTok the other day, I saw Breel Beerman getting her, you know,

Hair by Chrissy extensions. I don't know if that bill's going to get paid. I don't know if that bill's going to get paid. I do. My preferred Zolsiak Bierman content these days is when Ariana trolls her mom's clickbait posts that she does for, you know, two nickels or whatever. And the other day there was one

where Kim posted that it was like breaking news that her and Croix were getting divorced and it was just Ariana being like, oh my God, you guys, we just found out. I mean, this has been, we've been new that that marriage is not happening anymore. I don't know, guys, I don't know. Which might be a good place to get into Beverly Hills because I, you guys, I don't know. I just, first of all, Danny Pellegrino asked, important question the other day on Twitter, which X Twitter, I got to get off of there. I haven't, I haven't tweeted. I haven't tweeted in three months. But I'm still, I'm still looking.

I'm still perusing. And Danny Pellegrino, our friend, um, begged the question, is there something in Erica's contract for this season that states that we must mention the wallpaper, the home renovation, the cabana refresh every single episode. I don't want to, I don't want to be a hater. And I don't think I am a hater sometimes. I am happy for Erica being in a happier place. I think she's exhibited a lot of pizza party behavior this season. And I think that's great for her. She genuinely seems like she She's in a good spot. The house doesn't look that different to me.

Am I a bitch for saying that? I don't want to. I don't, I'm not trying to be shady is what I'm saying. I just, if the vision is visioning for her, that is wonderful. But this is the 15th episode of this. season. And I believe we have heard her talk about the renovation 17 out of 15 times. It's just a lot. There have been people who have gone through divorces that have gotten less screen time on the show than Erica's home refresh. There have been businesses started,

businesses stopped, businesses flopped, that got an ounce of the screen time that Erica's home refresh have gotten, has gotten. It's wild to me. And I think that, you know, obviously this for some reason is something that the producers and editors have decided is like an important piece of the season. And that's their, they're right. But when you look around it, I do think it's indicative a little bit of the fact that there aren't that many different things to look at. And this episode is notable in that we actually, the two men of the hour who have been talked about a lot this season, but not seen a lot this season, P.K. and Maricio both return to Southern California and appear on camera and participate in conversations that I think are important and necessary for sort of moving the story forward.

but it would have been amazing if those could have happened six episodes ago. So we see P.K. and Derreet going to dinner and there, you know, Derreet has spent a lot of time this season without really talking to P.K. much and without P.K. being around. And so she's been, you know, sort of crowdsourcing opinions and, you know, asking everyone and getting input from everyone about whether or not he's trying to divorce her and whether or not she needs to get a lawyer and whether or not he hates her and should they go to mediation and should they go to therapy and, you know, is he a good father? And the answer is no. And so finally, P.K. reenters. And I have a lot of respect for Dereat, basically being like,

you got to tell me what's going on. Like, do you want a divorce? You got a lawyer. I got this email that seemed like you were 100 steps ahead of me. What are we doing? What are we doing here? Because it's at the point they've been separated for three months. And to me, that seems like a length of time where it's like if you've been separated for three months and you haven't had any sort of inkling of like, oh, I miss it. Like three months is a chunk. It's a good, it's a, it's a length of time. But he says that he got to a point where he believed that instead of bringing out the best in him, she was bringing out the worst in him. And that that's like the signal that you shouldn't be married to someone. But then he kind of redirects because it's like that sounds very bad. And that to

me would be a really hard thing to hear if I were to read. But then he kind of redirects. He's like, oh, well, we were, you have to think we were best mates. And so we've got to get back to being best mates and co-parenting and whatever. And it's like, to me, it seems like a little bit of a dodge that Doreet is like, okay, do I need to go hire a divorce lawyer right? now, am I, am I waiting for you to pull the trigger on something that's going to turn my entire life upside down? Or are we saying we're still working on this? And he's like, well, I did kind of hate you for a while, but co-parenting. It's like, that's not the answer to her question. except in a way, if you're focused on co-parenting, people that are just married and happy and living together, that's not really a term we use for that.

Co-parenting implies that the parents are having to find a way to work together despite not being together. I don't know. I mean, it's complicated. I'm very curious to see on the reunion for this season, like, where does. Derreet says they're at more present day because knowing that they had been separated for three months when they had this conversation, but this was filmed now seven months ago, eight months ago. Now we're getting closer to the year mark. And to me, like, we're seeing that with Kyle and Mauricio this season that they've been separated for like a year. And that is really like shit or get off the pot time.

and they're getting off the pot. They're saying it's not happening. Kyle's finally getting to the place, but she's like, oh, yeah, this isn't, this isn't Rumspringer, like this is over. He's moving on. I need to move on with Morgan Wade. We still can't say it. It's so weird.

The Kyle and Maricio conversation is, it's, I feel a little uncomfortable. So he has returned from his season abroad in Europe, and he says he only partied five out of 45 nights that he was there. And I love that Kyle's like, hmm, hmm, what does that mean? Really? I don't know if I believe you. I, I would like to know Maricio's operational definition of partying because like you're a 60 year old man. How many nights do you think you should be partying? Are you like, he's like at the club. the flashback of Fay saying that Maricio was trying to get PK

and her husband, Fay's husband, who she's like still married to, to come join him in Santropay for like a boys' holiday. Yuck. She's like, yeah, I'm not going to let my husband go be part of your like single man

divorced dad energy, boy's trip to Santropay. No thank you. And there's, oh my God, just this week, there's fresh imagery of Maricio hanging out with younger brunettes. He clear, I mean, he clearly has a ton. And the type is women that are 25 years younger than Kyle. It just is like, Maricio's whole energy. I just kind of can't. Because Kyle's like, I know that you didn't realize you were being, having your picture taken, but I don't know if the other person in the picture, she might have known. And Marizzo doesn't actually raise an issue with that, but he kind of like looks at her.

And it's like, yeah, like, bro, you're out here looking like a fool. It made me think of in Married to Medicine a few seasons ago. You know, there's been a lot of husband drama on that show. And Dr. Simone at one point at the reunion was very loudly made the point. point that you guys are on this platform, women are looking for you. And, you know, that's the men on Married to Medicine. Maricio has long been considered one of the like Primo guys on Bravo. And the entire time we knew him, he was, you know, allegedly happily married and, you know, not not available allegedly. And all of a sudden, ding, ding, ding.

that's an opportunity. And you know, you know there are women around the world that are like, oh, Mauricio's coming to town. I'd like a ride. It's just, it's not shocking when you actually think about it. He does apologize, you know, for the situation in Greece. Before, it's kind of the elephant in the room and they're just silent and Kyle's just staring into his soul. It was a lot. But then he also says he wanted to be alone in Europe. take, he said, I wanted to be alone and take advantage of seeing what that looks like. Look, I like to travel solo. I went to Spain alone last month.

I, I like to travel alone and take advantage of what that looks like. To me, that means eating dinner where I want and being able to, to, you know, go back to the hotel whenever I feel tired. The way that Mauricio said it, to me, felt a little bit more like I want to fuck whatever a 25 year old I want and like nobody's gonna know. Now, that's me putting words in his mouth, of course. I don't know, but it's just like, I just want Kyle to like move the fuck on.

Because at this point, nothing good can come from that. Now, it is still a little weird. Garcell brings it up at the beginning of the episode. She's like, so we can't, we still aren't allowed to speak about Morgan Wade. Maricio smooching a younger woman in the airport in Greece is like the topic of the episode but if we say the MW word

we get a dirty look from Kyle and she's gonna like probably talk to us about it off camera it is it's strange it just is strange I mean the other thing happening is that Sutton and Derreet still aren't getting along

Sutton doesn't like that Kyle and Derreet have made up because Sutton likes to be close with Kyle and she feels like she has a better chance of that. When she and Derreed her on the outs, this is Garcel clocking this, which I think is pretty accurate. But it's a little frustrating to me that Garcel can clock this,

but then it doesn't feel like she's ever really going to bring it up. Like that, I would like to hear Sutton sort of like answer for that. Because Sutton's issues with Derreit are a little weird to me. And Sutton is looking for Kyle to specifically chastise Derreet instead of saying like, both of you need to whatever. Babe, like, I think Sutton is a little bit diluted when it comes to that. Like, it's just, it's not quite where the reality's at. But we leave off arriving in St. Lucia.

I'm excited to see this trip. I was looking at the resort on Google Maps this morning for just to feel a little bit of, I don't know, excitement about something. It looks beautiful. The villas look great. I did. I was dying. When they were in the airport and Eric,

says to Kyle, you are too rich to be carrying that ugly luggage. And it's, forgive me, it's the like shit brown, big Bay's suitcase and Bay's Weekender, like the matching color. Look, I have one of those Weekender bags. We've done ads for them on the podcast. I, the bags are fine. That color to me is tough. But it was just so funny in the fact that there was this little aside comment and they left it in. Look, Erica, you know, I'm sick of hearing about the wallpaper, but boy, can she make me laugh on the right day? Okay, Summer House, this episode, I went a little longer on Beverly Hills than I planned to, but it's fine because this episode of Summer House to me was a little bit, a little bit boring. I feel about saying that because I feel like people are so obsessed with Summer House and they're like picking it apart. And to me sometimes, I don't know why I'm whispering.

To me, sometimes I'm just like, yeah, it's like, yeah, we're plugging along. You know, like, Paige and Kyle kind of sort of make up. Lindsay explains again why she and Turner aren't living together, which to me makes perfect sense. And it's weird to me that Danielle is like questioning it because it's like, so you think it would be a better idea for her to live with the guy that she has been with for like six months and is already pregnant? Like it just, to me, like, I'm, I'm on Lindsay's side with this, that when I heard her explaining that they have not moved in together and aren't really planning to right now, I was like, that sounds like an excellent plan.

Because it's clear, Lindsay, Lindsay wanted a baby. Lindsay is thrilled to be a mother. And for her, the more important thing, was getting ready to have that baby, protecting her piece and the impending baby's piece. And the relationship, I mean, I don't think she would be with Turner if she didn't want to be, but that this relationship is not actually the make or break of whether she's going to be happy and whether or not she's going to be excited to be a mom and, you know, all that comes with it. So it makes sense to me that she's prioritizing the, you know, her situation.

And when Danielle's like, but how do you know if he's the perfect whatever? It's like, I don't really think Lindsay's not concerned about whether Turner is the perfect man that is her soulmate that she's going to be with forever. He's the father of her child and that is important. But like, as Dorit and Piquet are showing, sometimes you learn to cope, parent. I don't know. So kudos to Lindsay. I think you're doing a good job, you know, as little as I know about parenting. Keep on. Keep it on. And honestly, Danielle, it's okay. We get it. We're good. The most interesting thing on Summer House was that we get another page and Craig conversation that feels a lot like the other page and Craig conversations with a couple key differences.

is, you know, it does feel like we are inching toward them not really wanting to be together anymore. You know, of course, we get the classic, you know, Craig wants a baby, and Paige is like, I don't know if I'm ready to have a baby. But if I said I wanted to have a baby tomorrow, I feel like you'd be thrilled. And he's like, yeah. But then it kind of takes a turn where he says a couple things toward the end of this conversation that I just think were strange things for him to choose to say on a public platform like this. I mean, he's saying his classic, like, it's a bummer that we can't do stuff. But then he says, if we were married and have kids, you can't choose work all the time. And the you there feels very pointed because what about Craig?

Craig's whole storyline on Southern Charm this season is how he's a businessman and he doesn't have time for these frivolous friendships. And, you know, Paige is so busy. you know, making it work and all of this. What about you? What do you mean page can't choose work all the time? That should be a wee conversation. And if you're actually in the point in a relationship with somebody where you feel like you are getting ready to take that step and you're still viewing it as a once we have a baby,

you can't work all the time, fuck off. What kind of 1950s, you know, Don Draper bullshit is that? You just talked about how you opened another store and you're traveling and doing the Brits society, whatever the fuck. Shut up. What do you mean you can't work all the time? It's just, it's crazy to me that like, obviously she would have to make some changes if they were going to, you know, choose to settle down in one location and have a kid. I'm sure that she knows that. That's part of the reason she doesn't want to do it right now.

But let me tell you what, Craig. You would have to make some changes too. your life wouldn't look exactly the same as it does now. You wouldn't get to choose work all the time either. What a bird brain thing to say. And this is the thing we've been seeing since this breakup, like people online sort of being like, well, Paige, page strung Craig along for three years.

It's like Craig is a dickhead all by himself. And I don't hate him. You know, I have mixed feelings about Craig. Like I have mixed feelings about almost everybody on this network. but like, shut up. And then he's saying, I didn't think I'd be in such a submissive relationship and giving up so much decision making. Again, what year do you think it is?

Who do you think you're dating? When you met Paige, yeah, she wasn't as busy. Yeah, she wasn't as successful. She was still an opinionated person who was always going to want to make decisions for herself. If you want to date somebody who is going to be more than happy to be your stay-at-home wife and mother in Charleston, date somebody who seems like that's what they want. Because Paige never seemed like that's what she wanted. I can, you know, tell you that from a mile away. Giving up decision-making, it's like that to me is giving like you think that you

You want to be in this traditional nuclear family with, you know, 2.5 kids and a white picket fence. And it's giving like Mormon family where the husband is just like the leader of the household. And it's like, you're dating page to Sorbo. At what point did you think that was the reality, truly? Also, like, it's not a submissive relationship. It's two people who have their own opinions and way of handling things. Page isn't like cucking Craig. They just aren't on the same page.

It's so weird to me. It's so, well, and watching this type of conversation, I'm like, thank God they're not together. Thank God they're not having a baby together because the idea of Paige being spoken to like that, being told like, oh, baby, you can't choose work all the time. I hope she does. I hope she does. I hope she chooses work whenever she wants.

Wow. Well, thanks to Paige and Craig. Thanks to Summerhouse. Thanks to Beverly Hills. Thanks to the Vanderpump Hotel. I don't know. Thanks everyone for listening. We'll be back next week.

Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by me, Dylan Hafer, and edited by Kate McAuliffe. Social media by Dylan Hafer. Additional production help from Shannon Jimenez-Sassone. Be sure to follow us at Bravo by Vetches.

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