Mention It All - Cynthia Erivo's Favorite Housewife Ft. Dr. Wendy Osefo

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

As we hit the homestretch on another season of RHOP, Dr. Wendy Osefo returns to the show to update Dylan on all the drama. They start by chatting about her five-season journey on the show, and how it feels to look back on all the life she’s lived on camera. She also talks about the global reach of the franchise, and what it felt like to find out she’s one of Cynthia Erivo’s favorite Housewives. From there, they dig into some specifics of the season, with Wendy weighing in on everything from Mia’s puzzling dynamic with G and Inc to those troubling videos of Karen Huger. She also teases an even-better-than-expected reunion, and shares why she feels like she’s finally earned a break in 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am so excited to kick off this week with one of my favorite Potomac Housewives. She is a five-season housewife now, which feels crazy because we've been here in the trenches the whole time. But she is a returning guest to the podcast in the studio. Please welcome Dr. Wenner. Andy Ocefo.

Hi. How are you? I'm so good. I'm excited to chat with you toward the end of the season. I know. Because I feel like a lot of the time we're like, okay, like new season, what's happening? A lot of stuff has gone down. And I feel like we can get into all of it.

A lot of things. How is your 2025 treating you so far? So far, so good. You know, I just got back from Nigeria, went on a family trip. And that was so good just to be back home and to eat the food and to have the kids. then to have the kids see, you know, the homeland. So I'm like post vacation mode. We were talking before we started recording that your daughter is five years old now.

And it feels crazy because we have watched her, her entire life on this show. And to see her in Nigeria, also your mom was there. Yes, my mom was there. Three generations. It really is crazy to think about, like, getting now to share those experiences and, like, sort of pass those things down. both like, I mean, show stuff is fun, cool, whatever, but like your culture, all of the family, like all of that. It's, I think that's so beautiful. It's so cool.

And I always poke fun of myself and I say that I'm not that mom that, like, does collages for the kids. So the show is like my memory book. Yeah. Because, like, I can look at my first season. I remember when Cameron was in, like, the swing. She couldn't even hold her head up. And so to see that baby now look at this season where I'm like, Cameron, I'm going to Panama, you're going to take care of your brother and dad? And she's like, no, I'm not taking care of them.

To see that baby go from this five-year-old who has their own personality is just like, wow, like, time really flies. Like, this is real life that we're doing here. Yeah. And I feel like also, I mean, just in your personal, like, journey with career and everything and family and all of that, like, five years is a, it's a chunk of time. Like, a lot of stuff happens. A lot of things happen. We've had two elections. That's all I got. It is crazy. I'm wondering, like, going back to five or six years ago, even when you were joining the show, thinking about joining the show. What was your kind of expectation of like, oh, I hope it's this. I hope I can get X, Y, Z out of it.

Like, how does that compare to now 2025? It's like, it's all there. It all happened. You know, it's interesting because, again, I was just talking to someone about this when I was thinking about joining R-JLP. five years ago, I remember saying, oh, they're like the franchise. There's like all about etiquette and look at you laughing. They're all my etiquette and, you know, it's a low lift, not much happens. And I come in and then the fight happens between Monique and Candace, right? I'm just like, oh my gosh. And then I came in saying that I wanted to, you know, use this platform

because at that time I was heavy into my political commentary and I wanted to use it to, you know, just shine a light on what I was. doing and that's why I mentioned there's been two elections like so much has happened I'm just so grateful for the opportunity I've had so much fun I've grown I've seen growth in myself I'm so sure of myself now in a way that I wasn't when I came in because I was just finding myself after having a baby and finding myself in my new body and I'm just so happy now I just feel like I'm just in such a good place now I love that I am I one thing I love to see a couple weeks ago

Cynthia Arrivo was on a red carpet talking about how she's a Housewise fan, she loves Potomac and she shouted you out your Nigerian sisters. My Nigerian sister and it just meant the world to me because first of all, Cynthia's all the things, super talented, super awesome,

the moment. And for her to say that she loves me and I'm one of her faves it just felt like for me, affirming housewives moment that's someone that you love and respect is saying, hey, I see you too. I mean, that's amazing.

I think, like, Potomac, I don't know five years ago if we really realized, like, heavyweight people are watching this show. Michelle Obama is, like, tuning in. Nikki Minaj is hosting the reunion. Oh, my God. Rihanna's, like, tweeting at Karen or whatever. It's like, it does feel like it's something where maybe five years ago you didn't even know, kind of that there was this like level of potential there of just kind of like it's a cultural thing

it really is and tapping into that is so there's so much opportunity there so many layers so much and even if we jump you know spoiler alert jumping to a few episodes ahead but it was in the preview so you guys know i go to the white house and corin jean pierre the press secretary of the united states is like you know zen when like she watches the show like so they know what's going on and so it's really interesting to see how the show has had like a cultural impact and people are really tuned in. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame and Free People.

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working in the political commentary space, there maybe was, at some point, an idea that Housewives was this, like, guilty pleasure show or something that people, it wasn't, like, a certain caliber. But, like, there now is kind of this whole cultural vibe of, like, they're really smart people, really insightful people watching these shows, talking about them, you know, obsessing over them posting all of your stuff. I feel like there kind of has been a shift to where it's like, oh no, like this is, there's like some substance here. I definitely think so. I definitely think that there's substance for the viewers as far as the individuals who watch it. But if I can also say, I think there's substance for the new wave of housewives who've come on. I remember after I came on,

I think my incoming class was also myself as well as Garcel and Garcell's so accomplished. And then after that you had Dr. Tiffany Moon. And it was just a. Like so many accomplished women, you know, I know that the old Roney is gone, but you also had, you know, Ebony K. Williams, who has such an impressive resume. And so it's just so awesome for you to see that people from different walks of life watch the show. But I also think a network has done a great job of making sure that different people from different walks of life are also in these shows. Yeah. And I think that's something where like, of course there is that like, that element of like, oh, it's like, five rich ladies doing X, Y, Z, but like when you have so much variety within the people on the show, like, it's been so fun seeing, like, Bozema join Real House House of Beverly Hills. And, like, she's a Netflix marketing executive. Like, that's a completely different background. And they're going to bring their own kind of, like, flavor into every situation.

Even if it's not like, even if that career path isn't their storyline on the show or isn't always front and center, It's like everybody has their own kind of like way into different situations. Absolutely. And I think it's, it's really important to see because we're all different. And yeah, you can have a friend group, but I'm sure even in your friend circle, all you guys are not the same or do the same things.

You guys may have similarities or commonalities, but you guys have different things. And so I just appreciate the level of thoughtfulness that has been taken to make sure that is showing women in different facets of womanhood as it looks, you know? And, you know, sometimes that creates a little, a little friction. Drama. A little tension.

I think it's really been interesting watching this season of Potomac in particular. You guys have, you know, some cast changes, some new faces, some shifts. I'm wondering, going into this season, I think last year, you know, people had some mixed reactions, some questions about the future. And, you know, you and Giselle were not always in a good place. It's some tough times. But what was your kind of outlook going into this season, knowing that there were going to be some shifts and changes? You know, what's interesting is I felt like the shift and changes really aligned with where I was in my life.

As you guys know, I've been celebrating my birthday all year. Happy birthday! The reason I say that is I really looked at 40 as a milestone birthday. Like, it's, you know, growing up, people always talked about 40, 40, 40, 40. Like, it was like such a big deal. And I took it like that. even though like now that I look at it, it was just another year, right? But I really went into it with intentionality saying that I wanted to start a new.

I didn't want to have any old bag. It's just a new, clean slate. And that's how I approached my drama and my issues with Giselle, meaning, okay, I'll be willing to hear what she has to say. I'll be willing to sit down with her. And if we move forward, we do, if we don't, then fine. And it just happened that we sat down, we talked, and we both agreed, okay, we'll move forward. And I was like, okay, that's fine. And I really attribute my openness to that 40 of just saying, I want to try something new.

I don't want any dark old clouds over my head. And I'm loving it. Yeah, I think that's like, it's important to think, like, when you have women in a group or people in a group with, you know, strong personality, strong convictions and things like that. Like, it can create that friction, but it also can create opportunities to really, like, let's put this on a higher level and, like, find a way to kind of make something. happen like push through. Yeah, I think so. And I think that for us as a group as a whole, I think we were all open to move forward. And I applaud everyone for that. Yeah. I'm wondering, so we talked about this like five seasons that you've been on the show. This season is the first time you've been on without Robin or Candice. Yeah. How much of an adjustment was that

for you knowing that you just had never done it without them as part of the group? I think that it was difficult in the sense of I didn't know what that looked like but then it dawned on me that everyone else on the cast didn't know what that looked like sure yeah you know like this is the first big that was the first big cast shakeup for

Potomac yeah and so we all navigated it together that's my point in saying that is that you know we all were in new territory and I think that's probably why you do see a lot of mending happening easier because this is new territory for all of us

No one had a leg up or foot up more than anyone. And so I think that it leveled the playing field in a very weird way. Yeah, that makes sense. I think also like bringing new people into the fold too, like seeing somebody like Stacey or, you know, Kiyana taking a bigger role this season. Sort of like there were sort of those opportunities for like, okay, like who's this person? What, like, what do they have going on? And like I think also I feel like last season there were, you know, your family was kind of pulled into some of the drama.

It was a lot. So almost maybe this year it was, it was nice that you had that, like, fresh leaf to be like, okay, like, let's like sage the room a little bit. Yeah, please. Twice. Sage it twice because it's just too much going on right now.

For real. I'm wondering, like, what's your kind of read on Stacey? Because she came on the podcast. I had a great time chatting with her. I think that she is, like, so different from any kind of vibe. had on the show. Yes. And I'm wondering, like, you getting, spending actual time getting to know her, like, what's your, what's your kind of read on her, like, within the group? I like Stacy. I do like

Stacy. I think that she fit in seamlessly. I think that, you know, she adds a different dynamic. And going back to our earlier conversation about how everyone plays a different role, I think that what makes Stacy, for me, a good fit is that she does not replicate anyone else. the group. She stands on her own. You know, she is Stacy. We don't need another Wendy. We don't need another, Jazeel or Ashley. Everyone is who they are. And even more importantly, not only is she who she is, she owns it. And that's really important. Like, she makes no apologies about her quirkiness. She makes no apologies about her ways of not knowing certain things in which we asked her. And so I like her. I think that you guys will get to know more about Stacey, you know, and peel back those layers.

But that's not just with her. That's with any housewife. That's the name of the game. Yeah. I think there's something almost a little refreshing. Like, I don't think when she came on this show, she realized how much of a hot topic her relationships. No. Was going to be.

Or that whole situation. Correct. Or even like, you know, questions about her divorce or her career or whatever. Correct. I think she seemed like somebody who genuinely hadn't watched that much housewives. And I think sometimes, sometimes people are like, oh, I don't know what's this show? I'm just, if you're here for fun, I'm like, I don't think Stacey did the research, but it's. She did watch the show.

She told me she did. She told me she watched our show and she did her research. I just think that what will always be true and you don't know it until you are a housewife is even if you watch it. Right. So different being in it. Right. You know, because Housewives is not a spectator sport. And watching it is a spectator sport.

But when you're in it, you have to be active. And that's why I think you see Stacey sometimes like, what's going on? Because it's like, wait, you have to react. Right. And catching the rhythm of like there might be two conversations happening at one time. And we're all wearing microphones. So they're going to pick it up and figure it out later. Correct.

Like, you know, this dinner that might be five. minutes on the show, we're at the table for two hours. Correct. We are at this table for two hours. You guys get to see five minutes of it. I mean, it's with anything. And so I don't think that she expected to have such a spotlight on her relationship, you know, but welcome to housewives. Well, look, if you're a first season housewife and you're not getting any spotlight on your relationship, it might be your only season on housewives.

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Obviously, she was around a little bit last year. What was it like kind of having her around more and getting to know her more? Like, I think seeing her relationship dynamic with Greg has been really interesting on the show. Yeah, it has been good for you guys to get to see, you know, more of her and for her to show more of herself. I think the last season, it was so sad that her time on the show was overshadowed. with the fight that happened. And so I think that this season, we are able to see her and see her outside of the fight. And, you know, I also think that, you know, she's navigating the group, how she knows how

navigate it as well. Yeah. From her own vantage point. Yeah. I think the vibe between her and Ashley has been really interesting to sort of watch them. I think it was like kind of a little bit like uncomfortable for both of them toward the beginning of the season, maybe not realizing like how many feelings are there still lingering about everything that went down and how much, you know, is Ashley responsible for this person that she

brought into the group. And even, you know, on the most, on last week's episode in Panama, like, Ashley's like, did I stop this girl from getting proposed to? Like, it's, it's interesting in a, it feels like real in a kind of like uncomfortable, messy way that it's like, yeah, like a situation like that. It takes time to really settle all those feelings. A thousand percent. And, you know, they've tried to navigate it as best as they can. I think both parties have had conversations and they've acknowledged that it's, you know, an awkward space. But I'm also glad to see that they are still able to be in the room together and it doesn't

seem like there's animosity. Yeah. No, and it doesn't, it feels like something that it could have turned into something where the whole season is kind of rehashed. And like, I don't, I feel like there hasn't really been that dynamic on your show this season where like it doesn't feel like there's one feud that we can't just move past. Like it's, it feels like there's, it's a big group, there's enough going on, there's, there's enough to go around. Like I think that kind of sometimes you can sort of get sucked into like one one thing

kind of being. It zaps away all your energy. Everyone is like hyper focused on like no. Yeah. Yeah, we don't have that. Except for the Jacqueline Mia of it. Well, yeah, I think if anything, if anything, the biggest kind of like story this season has been Mia's everything that's going on with Mia. And I imagine that for you guys, you know, with her in the cast, it's hard to kind of, there's a lot of different updates. Things are changing. Things are shifting. You don't necessarily have all the information. What was it like kind of just being around? You know, it's hard because I think I said this a few episodes ago, you know, the true mark of a friend is that they're there for you

when you're going through hard times. And it's like I got to a point where I didn't know how to show up for her because I didn't know what she wanted or what she needed. And I was just confused. And I think I said in Panama, like, what do you need?

Girl, just tell me because at this point I'm confusion. And so she articulated as best as she could what she said that she needed. And that's all I can do. I can only meet you but where you allow me to. And that's where I have. found myself with Mia is I'm here to support you, but I'm no longer supporting you in the way I think I need to, but in the way which you're allowing me to.

Yeah. That's all like that. It's hard. Because I can't. Yeah. Don't I can't. I have three kids at home. I have three kids and two dogs.

I cannot. I clocked on Watch What Happens Live this past week when Ashley was on. Yeah. That she seemed skeptical that Mia and Inc.'s relationship status is as. maybe over as Mia said that it was on social media. Have you talked to, I know you guys had reunion not long ago,

but like what's your kind of read on what's going on there? You have to watch the reunion because we really got into it. And I stayed in my opinion. But I feel like, I feel like it's all a ruse. I feel like everyone is in on it. I feel like it's a Mia

G. Inc. thing. And they all had a part to play in it. A part to play. That's what I think. It is, I mean. And I said this to Mia's face too. Well, that's a bit.

I feel like if there's one thing, I feel like Mia can take it. Maybe. No. Okay. Watch the reunion. Watch the reunion. Got it, got it, got it. Watch the reunion.

And then I want you to DM me and I want you say, now I know why you said, watch the reunion. Okay. Watch the reunion. Okay. That's a big nugget for you. Yeah, I think the trip to Panama, I almost said the trip to Potomac. The trip to Panama, like, it's been interesting because I feel like for the most part, everybody's like having a good time, getting along.

But then there are these kind of like flare-ups sort of like the situation with Mia and Giselle over the kid conversation. It just was like, why are we doing this? I said, come on. And they get, you know, swore. Spoiler alert, it doesn't, you know, resolve. We come back from Panama and a lot of questions are answered. You know, I think we dig into it a little bit deeper in these final episodes.

And what I will say is that every question you guys had during the season will be answered by the end of the reunion. Like, every question. Any question you could think of to say, Wendy, do you think X, Y, and Z? I bet you it was covered in the reunion. Okay. I'm skeptical that we're getting full clarity on whatever's happening with Mia and Jacqueline this century. But I'm wondering, do you, I think it's very interesting to watch Karen's like complete distaste for Jacqueline. Across this whole season, it's like anytime she's in the room, anytime she's around, it's like, ugh, again.

And it kind of reminds me of Karen kind of did the same thing with Sheree. the last couple years she was on the show. Oh, yes, yes, yes. It was very like, why is Cherise here? And it's like, Cherise has friends, I guess. Do you kind of understand Karen's feelings toward Jacqueline? Not if you feel the same, but like, do you know kind of, do you get that from her? Honestly, no, because I don't know if the picture is still up, but Karen was one of the people

who remained close to Jacqueline after Jacqueline and Mia fell out. I think they even went out to dinner or something and Karen posted a picture. So, and I think Jacqueline said that and it may have flown over people's head. She was like, I'm, we were close. Like, I would call you, you will call me, we talked. So I understand that Karen may feel some type of way as far as what Jacqueline has said to her regarding the DUI. But to have this complete other, like, I'm not effing with you. is just really weird because y'all was just kicking it.

So I'm confused. Yeah. I think it seems like, you know, some of Karen's way of handling things this season, I don't know. Some question marks there. Did you guys find out that she wasn't coming to the reunion on the day? Or did you know that that was? You have to watch the reunion. Okay.

I'll watch the reunion. Yeah. Of course you're watching me. It's not just for you. It's for everybody. But yes, you have to see how a. all unfolds. Yeah.

It's been a little tricky this season watching, just knowing like obviously anytime somebody is going through any kind of legal situation, and we've seen it with other people, even on this cast, or like on any show on Bravo. It's like there's certain things you don't talk about, but then it's tough to go through a whole season with that kind of hanging over the proceedings.

Yeah, yeah. It's been interesting navigating this season, you know, just as a whole and as a group. And it's doubly interesting now watching. this season after the videotapes of the arrest have been released, it just makes you watch it from a different lens. Yeah. Yeah.

That was another thing. Like, Ashley was asked about that and watch what happens live. And I think she had, I mean, the exact same response most people had. Like, it's just like, not great. No, not great at all. Not great. You know? Yeah, it's kind of heartbreaking as her friend to know that that video was out there and she was

telling us that she will be vindicated. Mm-hmm. You know, just like, wow. Yeah. We'll see what's going to happen there. I think. Yeah, I wish her the best. I'm glad that she's in rehab and getting the help that, you know, she has designated herself to need and, you know, just prayers for her.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Totally. I think it's interesting, too, to kind of compare with what we were talking about with Kiyarnas situation with Deborah, because, like, she has this whole thing going on this season. I know in Panama, you kind of got, I don't know. know, sideswiped into that mess of a situation. Dr. Whistle down.

I don't know. $70 million counter suit. I'm like, what's... I couldn't read, guys. I was trying to get together. Okay. All right. But remind me, like, how you had a connection there.

Somebody texted you. You were so messy. Yes. I got a text. Uh-huh. I was hosting my breakfast on day three. my phone went off and it said

look what's happening here in the U.S. Okay. Okay. Look, it's complicated and sometimes you've got to be

the bearer of messy news. I know sometimes. You know, sometimes. You know, yeah, okay. We'll watch the reunion. Stay tuned. No, I want to kind of bring it back from Panama, back from the mess.

little bit. I think it's been really fun to watch your kind of your arc on the show. And I'm going to say it again. I think I said this last time you were here, we need a trip to Nigeria. A thousand percent. A thousand percent. I also saw recently, so I always thought we need a Potomac trip to Nigeria. And then I saw Miss Portia and Fadra. They're popping off in Lagos, too. Maybe we need a little crossover. That would be fun. I definitely think, you know, I said it last year. I said I want to take the girls to Nigeria. I definitely want to take the Potomac Ladies to Nigeria. I'm Ebo.

That's my tribe. So, yes, we fly into Lagos, but then we take another plane and we fly east. Okay. And we go to, like, what's called Ebo land. And that's just a whole other cultural experience. So I want to do it all with the ladies. I really want to have a good time. Who do you think in the group would, like, would have the most, would you be most, like,

nervous about bringing to Nigeria with you. Like, who's going to make you, who's going to act a fool? Who would act a fool? It's funny because, you know what's funny about this group? I want to say something. What's funny about this group is when it comes to cultural experiences sometimes, I'm just like, what are we doing here? And so that's the only reason I'm like, I don't know.

because I remember what the Kay said she likes big Europe cities well I thought it was funny y'all were in Panama for the 4th of July and somebody was like we should be in Hawaii and I said what is happening

so that's why I'm just a little bit hesitant with this question I feel like it's going to be a hard sell all around okay I think funny enough I think probably the person who would be like down for it the most will probably be either Ashley or Stacy.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think that Stacy would eat every second of that up. Yeah. Because she would be asking so many questions. But like with that genuine curiosity where it's like, oh, they really want to know.

Yeah. And I think, you know, Ashley would be living her best life. She'll be living her best life. Doing dances. Stacey will be asking all the questions. Yeah. I think Mia will be a good time on the trip too. Uh-huh.

I think me like, oh, okay. Look, I feel like for how many big, strong personalities you have in this cast, I think that everybody, for the most part, they understand the assignment. They're going to get the job done. And if the assignment is a trip to Nigeria, I think everybody's getting on the plane. I think everyone will get on the plane. But I don't know if everybody's going to get on the plane back home. Look, they want the accommodations to be correct.

It will be amazing. I will love to take the girls in Nigeria. Manifesting. What else is kind of on your plate, on your to-do list for 2025? You know, funny enough, I think you guys have seen me always on the go, always wanting to appease my mother or juggling motherhood or my professorship. We're starting to do, Dr. Wendy, show the candles. All my 2025 is just to rest.

I feel like this is the first time that I just want to sit back. relax and enjoy the fruits of my labor. I've been planting seeds and working hard for so long that I've never just stopped and said, so what have you gotten out of this? And that's what I want to do in 2025. I think that's so real. And I think like understanding that taking time to rest and reflect is not the same as doing nothing and as, you know, like giving up or anything like that, that it's like,

no, I can like hold space for everything that I have accomplished. and like take my little minute and then move on to the next thing. I love that. Yeah. I love that. I did love this season. Like when you talk to your mom about leaving your professorship and all of that.

Like in my Michelin Man blue outfit. I was nervous for you how that conversation was going to go. And I was like, I feel like we've had some growth here. We have. Because if you had had that conversation three seasons ago. Oh, baby. She will rip the mic off. She would say, what am I doing here?

She would curse me. out in a different language. And I think that that's also a testament to my mom also seeing that I've gotten to a new place in my life and I'm okay. You know, I think that deep down, one thing that I feel like I've realized is that deep down is not that my mom wants to have control, is that your parents just want the best for you. Yeah. And they just want to know that when they're no longer here, you're going to be okay.

And I get that now because I get that feeling with my kids. Whatever I do or say to you is not because I'm trying to dictate your friends or dictate your life. I just want to know that you will make good decisions even when mommy is not here. And I think that for the first time, you know, my mom realized that, okay, I think Wendy's got it, you know? I'm the baby girl in my family. Yeah. And she looks at me like that. You know?

So it's kind of like getting to the point where you're like, okay, like the job is done. Like I did the work. I did the work. I did the work. Job well done. Job well done. And now we can move on to the next generation. Please move on.

She has five grandkids. Go do something to that. Go watch the grandkids while Dr. Wendy's off doing her thing. Prolicing. Yes. Thank you. Well, thank you. Oh, you're the best.

This has been great. Congrats on another season. Oh, yay. Thank you. Congrats on your birthday again, of course. It's my birthday! Thank you, everyone, for listening. Don't forget to watch Potomac Sunday nights on Bravo.

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