Mention It All - Danielle Staub, Camp Counselor? Ft. Zachariah Porter & Jonathan Carson

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

For today’s episode, Dylan is joined by Zachariah Porter and Jonathan Carson, hosts of the Camp Counselors podcast (and of course, avid Bravo viewers). They discuss which Housewives would make the best (or worst) camp counselors, and more broadly, what they like to see from reality cast members. They also discuss the recent casting news coming out of Potomac, along with Annemarie’s lengthy statement on her RHOBH departure. Later, they nominate cast members for next season of The Traitors, and get into some other reality TV that’s deeply important to them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I'm Dylan Hafer And today I am joining the studio By two of I think the funniest people On the internet They are fellow podcasters

They're content creators If you will Please welcome Zacharii Porter Jonathan Carson. Hello. Hello. How are you? I'm so well. Thanks for having us. I'm glad to have you in the studio. I'm so happy to be here. I know. I feel like Betches is such an institution and I've been watching content from here for so long and it's so excited to be like in the building. You're in the room where it happened. The walls are pink. You're in the stew. Excited to be here. Thank you. You were just telling me that you guys record like from your apartment so you're not used to coming to like, you know, corporate HQ. Yeah, this is like full studio, full bright lights.

This is nice. This is how the other half lives. Yeah, ours is very echoing. But I feel like, I feel like it's more like, it's like down to earth. It feels like you're like rooted. Well, yesterday our upstairs neighbor was vacuuming. And we're like, hold, please. She's doing the living room.

Oh, I do record at home like half the time. So I'm in my room. I'm like sitting in front of windows and it's just like full pause for its sirens. I'm like, I don't have like the internal barometer. of when the microphone can hear what's happening. So I'm like, sorry, guys, this is probably so loud. There's just no noise. You know, you always say that.

I'm like, can they hear that? You're like, they can definitely hear that. I'm like, no one can hear the siren from eight blocks. And I sound like an idiot when the episode comes out. And I'm like, hold for ambulance and nobody can hear it. Yeah. Well, you guys have a great podcast, Camp Counselors. Tell me a little bit about that.

What's the vibe? What's the thesis statement? Thesis. Do you want to give our thesis? Yeah. Well, Jonathan and I... In your own words, of course. Of course, yeah. In handwriting, please. 150 characters or less.

No, so Jonathan and I are a couple. We've been together for four years. So we moved to New York City together from, like, different states. We wanted to start a podcast together. So it's a lot of riffing. It's a comedy podcast. Camp counselors is the name because we wanted a central theme and we love the movie Parent Trap.

There is not a single ounce of actual mention of, like, real nature or, I don't know, hiking. Actually camping. It's just a, it's like a whole fake reality that we've created with a lot of storytelling. And we just do like funny news segments and what we're loving, what we're hating. Who needs a bitch slap that week? We just kind of rants at all. So it's been fun. We try to keep it lighthearted and, you know.

Except for yesterday when we were recorded, we were going out of it. Well, we just always remember things differently. Isn't that weird? It comes out on the show. So somebody needed a bitch slap. I think we just continued the whole thing. it was just us hitting each other on the camera the entire time.

I love that the name is like not actually connected to anything. It's just like we needed something. So we came up with something and then now it's like a cinematic universe. Yeah. And we also have like very outgoing, sometimes loud, gay energy

that's like camp counselor energy, you know. Yeah. And we were never actually camp counselor. So yeah, but it's so funny because like the audience has responded to it in a really great way. So we have his like write in shows on Mondays

for like many episodes. and everyone signs off with their cabin number, and people, like, love these, like, other fake counselors. And, like, we have the mess hall. It gets this, it adds on, and we just make it up on the go. So half a time, it doesn't even make sense with what we previously said. But, like, we're constantly evolving as people, okay? I'm not responsible for the person I was two weeks ago.

Exactly. Keep up everybody. Thank you. I love that. So, obviously, we talk about Bravo and Housewives and everything here. And I was thinking, as I was, like, putting, you know, thinking about today's episode, I was like, imagine if real Housewives were Count Count Count Count. Some of them, I think, could be camp counselor.

Most of them would be really, really irresponsible, though. I didn't they do? I don't think it was on, maybe it was on Bravo. There was like a camp counselor adult show. Yes, yes. It was called, I think it was called Camp Getaway or something. It was like the COVID year. And I remember it was only one season, probably like eight episodes.

But they were like, you know, like we have like housewives and other like Bravo Labs and stuff on the podcast. And so they, you know, they pitch all their whatever. And they're like, we would love to get those camp counselors on the podcast. I'm like, hmm. I'm like, look, it's so fun. The show is so fun.

But like, the schedule is crazy. Was that Bravo? Yeah. Oh, it was like, it's like an adult summer camp, though, in like upstate New York. So it's like people and their friends

or like their coworkers go to like, team build. Do camp. Yeah. But there's like, there's like drinking. People can like hook up. I guess it's like, I don't know.

It's like sexy camp. It's campy. I'm actually getting excited about it. We have a dream one day that if the show gets big enough, we'd love to do like a rid tree kind of thing. Okay. But yeah, I've seen that marketed on Instagram.

It does well. I think it is kind of more corporate focused with the hot sex in the moonlight at night. Co-workers hooking up with each other. I feel like you'd have to have people sign a lot of waivers. Oh, yeah. You're like, we're not responsible for anything. 100%.

You're like we've got like food safety training. There's like water, you know, we're on the water. like nothing bad that happens. Rock climbing. We cannot be rock climbing. No, but I think, I think which like housewives do you think would be the best or worst camp counselors? So I'm watching, this is crazy. I'm watching New Jersey for the first time ever.

Oh, we love. So I, we just did Melissa Gorgas podcast, which was so amazing. On display, yes. And I was like, oh, I need to like, we watch like the newer seasons to lead up to do the show. And I was like, well, now I want to watch at the beginning. Because I'm going to be so honest, I didn't love first season when I watched it years ago. I thought it was kind of a sleeper up into that last moment. So I watched season two, and I'm so obsessed with it.

Danielle is so wild that I want her to be a camp counselor because we need someone that's going to just bring some chaotic energy. And now that I'm currently watching season two, I'm like, I want Danielle season two as my game. So be a camp counselor? Yeah. That's terrifying. Well, not everyone can just be like Kumaya, clap, clap, clap. We need some levels to the counselors. So if like if two campers were having a dispute

She would be like advising them to like go at it more Oh yeah she would bring in the mafia They'd be like I'm 10 She's like Danny where's Danny She'd be like honey you need to hire protection First and foremost Like literally so obsessed that she showed up to the event Because I'm watching for the first time

So all of it's so new I'm sure everyone knows about this But like she showed up with like hell's angels bikers Yes this is so scary Well and the thing about that I love I love a housewives journey And it's not everybody has, has watched everything. And I feel like we, we meet people where they're at. Yeah. But also, like, that type of energy that was happening in, like, 2010 couldn't happen now.

Like, if you're filming a Bravo show in 2024, like, the experience I feel is so different. And everybody's, like, on social media. And, like, you know, it's just a little more, like, polished. Whereas, like, season two of New Jersey, Danielle's, like, yeah, like, there's going to be a guy with a gun. It's so crazy. Relax. So that's my pick. Hey,

I'm picking a chaotic person because I want this to have a memorable experience for the campers and me. So, Jonathan, who do you think would be a good one? Another chaotic person.

I'd pick Sonia Morgan. I feel like that would be so crazy. Now, that's where the lawsuits would come in. People would just be falling left and right. Negligence. Literally. Yeah, I don't know.

I feel like that would be entertaining. She is a hoot. Did you watch the show with her in Lom? Crappy Lake. Yeah, it's a little bit of camp energy. Yeah. Oh my God, that is so can't energy. Yeah, but wait, what we did, because sometimes we hate when a show is over,

so we actually did this for this one. We watched the entire series except for the last episode because we'll always have that last episode as like something new, you know? So we're just, God knows it. I think we're really going to get a second season it look like. I hope so. I hope so, too. I hope it did well enough for them to continue it.

I thought it was hysterical. I loved it like, I loved the way that they framed it where they're like, it's not just us going to this place to like do stupid shit for TV. like, we're helping the town rebuild. We're bringing tourism dollars in the door. With the follies. Like, I love that there's

Sonia and Luan are just like fully making fools of themselves in the small town in Illinois, but like there's an activism angle. There has to be. It's a tax right off. If I was nearby though and I could drive within like an hour, if I would just happen to be over there, I would drive over just to see, like, I go to the motel.

So I'm from St. Louis, Missouri, which I think is like two or three hours from Benton and I'm like I would have gone if I lived there. So the Folly Show. There was like a Facebook post from like the Benton Town Hall or whatever that was like come see the Follies. Oh, that's nice. That's exciting though.

They probably never saw it coming. So I don't even know how they fell to happen. Oh, the producer right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it was. The producer was from there. Yes. I forgot about that.

Yeah. Yeah, they were here when they were promoting the show and they were talking about how when they had days off they would like go to St. Louis or like Memphis for the weekend. And I'm like, imagine just like Sonia in the wind. Like on their day off. Like they're just like ripping sigs outside some bar in St. Louis, Missouri. I'm like that is if I ran into them in the wild on their day off from shooting crappy lake, like that would be my like perfect encounter. I think my dream is to have a cigarette with Luanne.

Like that's, I need that for my life. I think you could make that happen for yourself. I'm gonna, I'm not a hundred down. We saw her. You're both New York City girls. I know. I was going to hang out by her bars that she's at all the time. We just saw them, though.

They did that, like, Christmas, was it Chris? No, it was last year they did, like, some tour where it was like a sit-down thing. Oh, well, we didn't know what we were signing up for. Yeah, I thought it was more performance-based, but it was more just like storytelling. Yeah, it was good, though. Yeah. I'm a big Dorinda. I'm a big New York fan.

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When you tear up on that envelope It's time for a little in-person spring treat It's time for a trip to Ross Work your magic So Bethany is on tour in Australia right now I don't know if you've heard about this I heard briefly Okay so I saw like a TikTok review

Of a girl who went to this tour in Australia And so first of all it's like It's called like in conversation with Bethany She's literally like a speaking engaged And this girl is like, yeah, so honestly, I was not that impressed. She's like, we spent like $170.70. And they were like all these empty seats in front of us. And she's like, Bethany was only on stage for an hour.

And she was like mad that she didn't spill more tea about housewives than like, she's like, basically like everything I heard I already knew from listening to her podcast. And I'm like, that sucks. But also what did you think a Bethany Frankel speaking engagement was going to be? Yeah. Yeah. How did she market it? Like, what was the angle there? Because you're right.

She doesn't stop. Like, with the podcast, it's like, what else can she really bring to the table fresh for a live audience? I just, yeah, like, I googled it. And it literally is like, an evening with Bethany and Frankl. It's like, I don't know, the like 90 Second Street Y or whatever for like some author talk. But I'm like, it's Bethany. Like, what is she going to do? Talk shit about Carol Radzwell?

Like. Oh, leave Carol out of this, please. But where was Carol on the ultimate girls trip? That's what I needed. I think Carol was at home. not answering her phone. Yeah, I think so, too. Did you see that, like, meme, that angle.

They're like, they should go visit Alex McCord in Australia for the next New York one. I, the fact that we're not getting that season that was in Morocco. I need Alex McCord on my TV all day long, every single day. Her and Simon are the craziest cast choice, I think, ever in the history of the franchises. They're just, like, so bizarre, but so compelling. And I just, I miss her so much. I'm so, we're never going to get Morocco at this point. I don't think so.

I love when she's like, I am a model now. and this isn't just a hobby. This is, I'm going to do this, and I'm working, and I'm making money. That is my favorite clip. She's like, I'm working. I'm in Brooklyn. You're in high school. I'm working to make a living and support my...

Yes, the way... I rewatched season one of New York, like, last year as, like, a project. And watching those episodes, like, she takes herself so seriously, but somehow in a way that, like, doesn't make me mad because I think she really... That's her real life. Yeah. She's so real about it. It's not like when a housewife is like, I've decided that I'm starting a candle company.

And now I'm a candle entrepreneur. And like this is what I do. It's like, no, Alex was like, she was like, I happen to be on this TV show. But I'm in New York every day doing charity going to the opera. Her late to the opera. Do you remember when Bethany came over to her house? And her house was like, disarray. And she's like, oh, you can't, you can't be living here like this.

And she's like, what do you mean? She was living in like a healthy delusion for herself. It was just a fact of her. It wasn't that bad. No, no, no. I'm talking about just how she is as like a person is just a bit delusional, but it's like to herself. Yeah, she was just a great casting choice. I love Alex McCord.

Look, if I, I mean, New York is expensive. If you're doing like two years worth of renovations, you can't afford to be living somewhere else. No, truly. Alex McCord, going back to that camp counselor, she would be such a good camp counselor. Yeah, she would be. Yeah, very mother. She'd run that shit like the Navy. She would be so into like doing the talent show.

You're like, sweetie, your friendship bracelet looks like shit. You need to watch the tutorial again. Oh, I love myself. It says water buffalo. Yeah, it is tough with that Morocco season because I feel like it's a little bit this season that they did at Durinda's house. There were so many like outcomes of that where it's like Tamara's coming back. Fadra's doing another show.

we're going to see more girls trips. And now the Morocco trip, it's like, who knows what would have come of that? Of, like, Camille being back on TV. Of Alex being back on TV, Caroline Manzo. And it's just like, no, they're probably just all done. Yeah. It just probably left a really bad taste in everybody's mouth, obviously. There's a lot going on with that for sure.

Yeah. We got to talk about Potomac and specifically the casting news that has come out. So Candice announced this morning in a, in a story with people that she is leaving Real House of Potomac after six seasons. I'm just going to read from her. As I embark on a new chapter after six remarkable years with the Real House ofies, I'm filled with gratitude for the enriching friendships, personal growth and moments of introspection that have defined this journey.

With a whirlwind of new opportunities and responsibilities on my plate, I've decided to take a break. How do we feel? I'm going to miss her. So she'll probably be back. Yeah. So, like, she was clear in this story. with people that it's like, I'm leaving now, and who knows what will happen in the future,

you'll see me again, whether it's at the Grammys for like, on Bravo. Well, honestly, hey, we love her music. What's the song? What's the big one? If you got a problem. Come to me about it. That's unironically a fantastic song. I actually really like this music.

I'm going to miss the triangle tissue. I now, if I have our tissue, I'm folding it into a triangle and I'm putting it to the corner of my eyes. She set that scene. The only way to do it. I don't know. I feel like I'm going to, I'm going to miss her. I'm going to miss the chaos. But I feel like she just really wants a family and to work on her music is what I'm assuming this is about. Yeah. Or maybe to protect her husband from Giselle. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I do feel like this season, it's like I don't know if the music is going to happen for her like at the next level than she is right now. It's who can say. But I feel like she wants to pursue that badly enough that it's like you should probably. Like, housewives isn't going to help you with a music career past the point of, like, people knowing who you are because you're on housewives. Right. Like, if you want to be, like, getting nominated for Grammys and having hit singles, it's like, at a certain point, you don't just want to be like the housewives girl who does music. Yeah. There has to be a separation. Potomac's been so good.

I feel like this season's not the best season, but I think overall as a franchise, I find it to be incredible. I think the problem is now is that we've had the same girls for so long. Don't we have like four original cast members? There's four original cast members. Which is crazy. So after Candace's announcement, so that's confirmed, there was a report also this morning that Robin is not going to be back next season. It's not confirmed.

It's from like a, you know, the blogs, as they would say. What is these blogs? It's from the streets. But if Robin is to not come back next season, that would be kind of like a monumental shakeup in the franchise. And it's interesting because Robin and Candace have spent all season hating each other. And so if they both leave, now what? Yeah.

So what now? Robin's been threatening to leave every season. It's like Robin, get in or get out at this point. I can't even keep up with it anymore. I like Robin. I do. I'm just getting bored of everybody. Jazeel, it's funny.

Jazele and Karen, I feel like just have this positioning as being like the, I don't know, the mothers of the show that I think if one of them were to leave, it would be truly shocking. Ashley Darby hasn't done anything for me in seasons, but her history on the show has been incredible. Yeah, she stirs the pot. She's got that wooden spoon, and she's come and ready, and she

will stir it, whether there's drama there or not. I feel like I like that about her. Yeah. And I love Mia. You just were with Mia. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Mia was here last week. She was she was fun. She's cute. I like her. She very tall. I like when Mia lies and they call her out about it, and she's like, you're right, I lied.

Like, yes. Well, she just doesn't remember anything and she's real about it. She's like, I don't, I don't remember that. I think that is, it's a refreshing quality when you have somebody who, like, objectively is a liar, but then doesn't make it a thing. Because that is, one of my least favorite traits in a housewife is when they're like, you can call me whatever you want, but I, I never tell a lie. Like, that's the worst thing you could say about me is that I'm a liar. And it's like, everybody lies. It's, it's okay. Everybody tells little lies here and there. And you're saying a lot of stuff on camera that you're going to forget, and it's fine.

And so I think it's refreshing that Mia can be like, yeah, whatever. Literally, that's how you would say it. The problem is, like, nobody else in this cast is willing to let anything just, like, slide off their back. And so, I don't know. I mean, I think with Giselle, you're right that, like, even if she is maybe sort of the problem in some of these relationships, that I just still can't see her getting, like, cut from the show.

Yeah, and there definitely was this, this is massive divide between, like, I don't know, like, Giselle's camp and Candice's camp. And with Candice stepping out, what's when do you mean? And is, did she make, I didn't watch last week's,

like last night's episode, but like with NECA, like I feel like they're not. No. And I'm not loving NECA, to be honest. It takes me, I really try to come into every new housewife

and give them a fair shot. She's had the full season, unlike Anna Marie. And I just feel like she has yet to like, at least at baseline, I need to laugh. You need to be funny for me. And I can forgive a lot.

She's not funny. She's just, she's just there. She's just there. Well, I think, I mean, honestly, Alex McCord and NECA seem like a wild comparison, but I think NECA takes herself seriously in a way that hasn't been fun to watch.

Yes. Sort of. And then her feud with Wendy has kind of been like a non-starter in terms of like how much people seem to care. And so it's like, okay, those were kind of the two things. And neither of them really really were. I feel like too sometimes when people like feel the need to come in hot with things to secure their spot on a show if they're new.

Yeah. Especially like Potomac where so many people have secured a spot for so many years. You know, so I feel like sometimes it's a little more, well, obviously. No, it's jarring. It's like, it's almost like just relax, come in a little neutral and then you'll find, you'll always find some tension on these shows. Yeah. To like make your own at the beginning. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it's like to make sense in a group, especially a group that's really established like this, it's like you have to make friends before you make friends before you make enemies. Truly. Because if you just come in the first episode and like have beef with someone, it's like, wait, but I didn't. Why are you here in the first place?

Right. Exactly. It's like your house isn't even ready. You just moved here like last week. You know who I love this season? Sherey's at the boil just doing her. She needs to stop. And she wasn't even involved in this fight.

It's the wine. It's the wine. I love her. She's fun. They embarrassed like two glasses of wine. And then all the girls who were actually fighting were like, we're good. Like we're not fighting.

She's screaming. She's like, I'm sick of it. Well, you could tell that. Because last season, Charisse got invited to everything. She was on the trip. She was at all the parties. She was on the bus, whatever.

You could tell that this season she wasn't really like included in the show. So then when she did kind of get like that one last minute invite, she was like, here's my chance. I know. I don't know why she's off. they didn't bring her back fully. Because you're right. Like last season she was basically there the entire time.

I think she adds a good element. Maybe Karen made some calls. Yeah, Karen's not. She's like, I don't want to see that lady. Honestly, you could be right. I'm so curious with all of the franchises, like, what ends up on the cutting room floor? You know, like, if it was still DVD season, like, what would be the bonus episodes that we would get? Oh, my God.

Yeah, we need like secrets revealed, like, when they do those sometimes. And sometimes they're very lame, but like. And that's okay. Like, I'm still going to watch. It's going to be on the background when I'm doing dishes. I was going to be there. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support

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who has also now departed our screens as of last week. So she posted this like long statement basically, which she's mentioned a couple other times about how, you know, she didn't get a chance to show everything she wanted to show and she filmed all this stuff for the season that we never got to see. And so people think that she was just this, but she was so much more. And basically, I mean like a glorified blaming the edit kind of way

for how she was received on Housewives. And like, I get it. Like, I believe her to a certain extent that it's like, yeah, I'm sure you like, everybody filmed stuff that doesn't get shown. But then also it's like, you were on the show for like eight episodes and it just like, it didn't really land. No, wait. She, once again, another person for me that just never made me laugh that just came in to like,

to pick fights. But you know what, though? I don't think she's ever going to get a chance to get recast on anything, like, within the Bravo universe. So if I felt that way after eight episodes, and I felt like the edit did me dirty, I would do the exact same thing. Because I wonder what these personal things, they may have had this great birthday party

that made that was fun. I would be frustrated too. So I think it's in her best interest, to be honest. But she even made enemies in her career. That's what I was going to say she burned bridges like with the people, like the nurses and everything.

Yeah. So she's really like, this was not. No, in the eight and a half, I can't get behind it. Oh my God. It's so awful.

I would, if you ever call me eight and a half on TV, I'll cry. That was wild. So wild. And she's like, I'd say the same thing about him. It's like, oh, God. Yeah. She's awkward to watch. Well, I think that's the thing is, like, I believe that there are like, that there are things that she filmed that we didn't see. But everything that we did see, it wasn't just like, oh, she got mad at Sutton and I didn't like her because of that. It was like, nothing worked that we saw from her. So, like, if we saw five more things from her, we don't actually have an inclination that it was like, oh, if we had just had like a little bit more of this, then we would have loved her. It's like, no. I think the vibe was just off. Yeah.

So true. So true. Wait, who was she like, quote unquote friends with that brought her in? Kyle. Kyle. Oh. She's like, Anna Marie and I have known each other socially for like a minute now. And it's like, okay.

I think that's the mid-season casting thing because that's what she also talked about. She was like, I didn't audition to be on this show. I didn't send whatever. She was like, they called me halfway through the season. And two weeks later, there I was. And it's like, okay, like, I do think that didn't help her case that it was like, who is this lady and why is she here halfway through the season? Agreed. But again, it's like, you know, we saw what we saw and we didn't love.

But then that kind of like begs the question again is like if you, if you didn't audition for it and you weren't seeking out to be on it, you ended up on it like, okay, no harm, no foul, right? But you ended up burning bridges with a lot of people and looking bad, even though, you know, there are editors, yes, but you still said. did things, you know, totally. Well, now it's like for the rest of your life career, whatever, this is bleak. Like, are you, like, always going to be former housewife who's trying to, like, get something else going? Or are you just going to kind of, like, recede back into the public? Because I feel like there's a thing.

I noticed this a lot with, like, Bachelor contestants a few years ago, where there had been a time where there was this, like, wild, like, influencer economy of, like, every girl that went on the Bachelor would have, like, 200,000 followers. and it's like brand deals, opportunities, events. And now it's like, nobody cares. So if you go on The Bachelor for like a week and then for the rest of your life, you're like, hey, I'm like Marissa from season 32 of The Bachelor. Yeah, you keep it in your bio.

That's what it is. Like the little rose emoji. Yeah. Like, is that Anna Marie's life now? Or is she like, we can just like pretend that didn't happen. Hey, good question. Where do we go from here? If it's eight episodes and that's the rest of her legacy, I would leave it just there.

I would never, I think it's exciting. At Baseline, you did the show. show, I would always talk about it, but I wouldn't try to keep it going with an influencer career. And it's so interesting you say that because I always think about that in the terms of drag race. In 2016, 2017, if you got on a show, any reality TV, like, you were instantly catapulted into this, like, fame. And people are not as willing to follow you anymore just because you made a TV show. Well, also because the pool is so big of so many people who are just continuing. When there were, when there were like 40 girls that had been on drag race and everybody who watched the show remembered everyone's name.

Whereas now it's like, oh, she went home second in season nine, I think. Yeah, exactly. That's just the way that reality TV has like shifted. Yeah, I think she's going to start a podcast. Well, even I was looking up because I'm watching everybody. She will. What would it be about? Clearing my throat with Anna Marie Wiley.

You're so like I was trying to think of a joke with the throat. That was fast. Well, I was going to say, I'm still obviously very new to Jersey, but Dina, I looked her up. Didn't she only do two seasons? Yeah. And she has 400K. You don't you mean like that? But that was a different time then.

That pipeline to just follow people you see on TV was easier. And she came back for a season. She comes back in like season six, I want to say. And I feel like that was then like peak like Instagram, housewives time where it was like everybody who watches the show is going to follow all the housewives because that's the people they watch on TV. Whereas now I'm like, what? I'm following like third stews from.

below deck. Like, I don't... There's simply not. There's not room on the timeline. There isn't. I'm obsessed with the way that Dina dresses on the show in season two. The season, the jersey fashion. She's actually slaying.

The hair, the makeup, the chunky, like, I don't know, turquoise jewelry. It's kind of what Luann thought she was doing in her earlier seasons, but, like, Dina was really doing it. It's reading. It was a little more, like, of the people. It was a little, like... Yeah, it's grounded, I guess. I don't know. I'm obsessed with it.

It wasn't like upper-e side boutiques. Well, I wear so many wigs in my normal content, and I'm always inspired by that accent. So I'm looking at these earlier seasons. I'm like, this is a character study. Yeah. This is like true. Like, it was so funny.

Like, G.S. going to a vocal code to get rid of her accent. She's like, I don't have an accent. Coffee. She's like, say coffee. And she's like, I don't hear the difference. Coffee. Oh my God. You know what just happened?

That was so crazy. I'm sorry I'm talking about old episodes. No, you're so fine. When Danielle's daughter is modeling and she like is visibly sweating and almost throws up and faints on stage. It wasn't nerves. Her whole body like flushed. It was crazy.

And then we start to feel the same way when we're watching it because we just like feel so awful. I know. But like the new seasons of just these franchises, they get so sleepy. But back then they were just so crazy. I think that yeah, there was this kind of like nobody quite knew what was going to happen. Like it was, are people going to be like, you know, chasing each other in the parking lot of the fashion show? Is it going to be like, like you said, like armed surveillance happening behind the scenes? Like there was this kind of like, we're just going to put cameras on these people and it's going to be whatever it is.

And now it is very like, okay, like we have the premiere. We're going on the trip. Then we have the finale. And like it's a little more buttoned up, which is probably a good thing. It is. Especially for the established franchises. Like I like the way that Beverly Hills runs. It feels very, like, cohesive every season.

Even if it's a little sleepy, I'm always locked into it. Like, I know what I'm getting into with them. Yeah. In the last episodes, though, when they, like, are at the party and they give the little rundown of what's going on, sometimes they do them dirty with that freeze frame. Have you noticed that? Did it do ding ding ding? Yeah.

Who's picking those freeze frames? Sometimes they really do some of them dirty. And I'm like, that is so messed up. Yeah, it's like, Teresa is still paying for everything in cash. And, like, in the freeze frame, her, like, eye is, oh. open in her mouth as the tongue is hanging out. Yeah, it's like, before, like, nothing was in HD. So it's just kind of like, we just like hit pause on the laptop.

And it's like, yeah, whatever. Literally hit pause on the laptop. I was just listening. You guys had an episode recently where you talked about interviewing Teresa Caputo. Yeah. The Long Island medium. You talked about loving TLC growing up. What was your, like, reality TV, like, origin story?

maybe before Bravo was like such a big thing. I'm like upset. I've been obsessed with reality TV forever. I grew up on top model. Like I would like stay home from school sick and watch every single, like cycle on like the rerun channels. Real World was huge for me. All of the VH1 dating shows. Flavor of Love, rock of love.

Even like what was the one that have like the celebrity like charm school? Charm school, of course. I'm Sharon Osprey. Yeah. Um, yeah. And then TLC, obviously. I've like sister wives is like actually my religion. Okay.

I think if it's had to pick one show. for the rest of my life, it would be sister wives, which is crazy. Sister Wives is like one of my greatest blind spots. Is it? I've never watched an episode. I like, I know some of the names. I'm like, oh, what's Cody doing now? But like, it's a lot.

It's dense. I only watch it because he is obsessed with it. I don't know if I would ever actually like choose to watch it. But from the episodes you were watching when everything was kind of like popping off. Yeah. It was very good, very entertaining. But that wasn't until season like 16, right? Well, it was like my Vanderpump.

I don't watch Vanderpump, right? But then you have these established. characters and then this big betrayal or shift so late in a show where it kind of revives it. That's what I felt about sister wives. But you love Vanderpump and I've never been to Vanderpump person. I loved Vanderpump, but before that I was really into Laguna Beach. Oh, yeah. And the Hills. Did you watch The Hills? The Hills was like, I watched it later.

Like, I think when it first came on, like, we didn't, like, my family didn't have cable. And so, like, something on MTV was, like, a little, like, hard to access. But I was aware of it. And then when I finally did watch it, I'm like, it was like a drug. Yeah. I think before it was streaming anywhere, I found, like, on, like, I don't know if it was, like, Daily Motion or one of those, like, video websites that's not YouTube. Somebody had uploaded all the episodes, but they were, like, a tiny bit sped up.

So, yeah, and, like, mirrored. Yes. So the episodes of the Hills would be, like, 16 minutes long. So you were in, and you, like, okay, I can pound out four of these in an hour. Like, I'll be done by tomorrow. Wait, did you see like the finale, like the grand reveal at the very end? Yeah. That gave me such trust issues.

Did it not? I still talk about it. I was talking about it yesterday. Yeah, I think it's such a marker of like what a show can really create. It was like it was like an actual like break the internet moment for a lot of us. We're watching like, oh my God. So was it real or fake the whole time. Yeah.

That was the other thing is like now, of course, we know that things are like edited a type of way and people go in, you know, knowing what they want their story. storyline to be. But back then it was just like rumors and hearsay of like, is it scripted? Right. And there wasn't like nobody was on social media talking about it really. And nobody was, I feel like there was like a lack of public awareness of like how these shows kind of get made. Whereas now people are smarter sometimes of like, okay, like obviously like the producer tells them to go talk about this. But at the time it was just like, what do you mean these 19 year olds in fashion school are being like told what to do? Yeah, it was absolutely crazy. It's like, no, Heidi just shows up to work every day.

She was such a bad employee. She was bad. Oh, God. Like, it was really, it, like, trust issues, like you say, it, like, broke, it broke our brains a little bit of, like, they're on a back lot. Was that any of it real? And the way that it was revealed during the credits, they were like, the finale? Oh, my God. It was, goosebumps thinking about it.

Yes. Yeah. That was, it was iconic. And it was, I can't believe they did. decided to do that. Like, what a sleigh? I don't know. Like, who was that?

I'd love to shake his hand or her hand. Is there, like, a show that you'd want to go on? Like, oh, God. Are you into the competition shows at all? Sometimes. So I grew up watching Survivor, like, for what I was, like, six. And I was thinking about that because I have, like, friends who are watching Survivor. And I'm like, oh, wait, like, I've been obsessed with, like, Ceres since I was, like, eight years old.

So? I'm like, this is strange. Are you going to be on Survivor? No. Oh my God, can you imagine? I've actually, I applied and they didn't take my, they didn't accept me. So I have like a public feud with CBS right now. It's one-sided.

They don't even care that I'm attacking them. They don't even know about it, honestly. I've only watched one season. We're on season two of this. I've only watched, I'm on my second season ever watching it. Oh. We relate to the game. It is so good.

I know everyone's going to be like, oh, the old seasons are way better. And I'm sure you start. Are you watching current? Yeah, I have, I've heard the new season is like a lot. Everyone that likes the show is like, the show is so bad right now. And I'm like, but I'm so new to it. Like I'm like, yes. You're like, my little show is on.

I'm waiting for Wednesday. I'm so excited. You guys watch Traders, right? So good. So did that, did that make you, like, curious about Survivor? Or, like, what's, I'm, like, who's deciding in 20203 to start watching Survivor? I don't even remember how we decided to watch it. My sister was on her maternity leave and she started watching it.

But I was at her house visiting and she was like, the new season. night. Just watch it with us and see what you think. And that's what I need sometimes. I need someone to force me. I didn't want to watch Traders. You forced me to watch it and I was hooked. So I was like, that's how I did. I need someone to like lead a horse to water. And I will drink. That's something about me. I will drink.

If there's one thing about me, I'm a drink. With this biodegradable straw. Traders was great. Traders was such a fun watch. You know what's funny though? It's like I watch Traders and I'm like Survivor. Like, yes, get in there. Do it. And like the big brother people, the challenge people, I'm like, eh.

I don't know. It's funny. I grew up on CT and Johnny Bananas, though. Like, that was, like, my childhood. So I'd loved seeing them on it. I didn't know the old, did you know the old Survivor girls? Like, did you know, like, yeah, of course, they're like celebrities. Yeah.

I love poverty. Am I saying? Parvati. Why am I saying poverty every time poverty? Poverty. You and Kevin from Bling Empire can't get it right. Her memes are so good. Oh, my God.

All of hers. Oh, the MJ memes are so funny. Oh, my God. pair of denim without thinking about her. The like a highway, the like tattoo mesh shirt. What was that?

Where can I get it? I feel like Ed Hardy maybe does that. Totally. Probably. Yeah. For sure. But when we watched it, I didn't know, honestly,

almost anybody, except for Fadro who was on the show. I didn't watch season one. We're really like very sporadic and crazy about how we decide to watch TV. But it works out for us. But yeah, but yeah,

peppermint was my draw. Oh, peppermine is on. Yeah. Justice for Pufferman. I know. Dund dirty. But all.

Also, that slip up was crazy. I was like, I can't even defend that. Funny story. A couple years ago, I went and saw a horror movie in a theater somewhere and peppermint was sitting right down the row from me. And just hearing, like, little comments and, like, things, like, in her voice, the movie, it was, like, the funny. It would be like, now, girl!

I was just like, this is how I want to watch every, like, scary movie. Oh my God. You're like, I'm not even watching the movie at this point. I'm just listening to I'm just like, what is peppermint thing? Like, excuse me, excuse me, ma'am. Like, did you like the movie? We need that podcast. What does peppermint think? I want her updates on everything. I would do that. That's so funny. Who would you want to see on a future season of the traitors? Could be somebody from Bravo or not. Oh my God, what's her name? Monica Garcia, I think. Yeah. Like, that's like, if they don't cast her, that would be insane. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't even talk about Salt Lake City. I know. But that's, but that's,

thing, if they cast Monica on traders, you know that like two-thirds of the people in the castle would have, like, no idea who she is. They'd be like, eh, like, she's a housewife. She probably doesn't have any, like, strategy experience. She's like, actually, I already made, like, 42 fake accounts. I've been actually working on getting here, and I've made a... Actually, they told me I was a trader six months ago, and I've been prepping this whole time. We've had bad, bad housewives do bad things. I don't think what she did was the worst thing we've ever seen on a franchise, but the way that they all reacted and the way that the universe reacted was crazy.

Sometimes I feel like they really gripped onto that because so many people were protecting Jen Shaw. I feel like everything still isn't out. But yeah, I feel like they, you know, were obviously affected by it, but really saw a point to be like, okay, this is what is going to make this season something. Yeah, that's true. Right now it's not much. That's true.

Yeah. I think what Monica did was like pretty unhinged, but not bad in the sense of like compared to. people who are like in prison for their actions. Right. Or even when like Carol was on that podcast last year and said that something that Bethany like knew. Remember she announced? Oh yeah.

About the tell me it's not about Tom. Yeah. And like she knew that entire time. It made us believe that it was all leaked to her like by a friend. But she knew. I was like, Bethany that's psychotic. Like that's more dangerous to me than what Monica was doing. Like that was crazy.

She's like actually had came on this trip with this knowledge already in hand. And I was just waiting for the right for the right little moment. But also production was evil and told me what to do. I know. At the Bethany part, she was like, I got to make a drink. Somebody got me a drink. Skinny girl. Skinny girl.

I need the bottle. I need the bottle. She literally did products placement in that moment. Yeah. That was crazy, but kind of smart. Yeah. Who else do you think would be good on traders? Um, I don't know.

I feel like more of the drag race girls should do it. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Didn't Alyssa Edwards do a show like this at one point? point and it wasn't called traitors but it was something else. Maybe it was the VH1 version of it. Oh, God. I don't know, but I've seen another drag-gress girl do another show like this, but I do agree.

I think a drag-g-gress girl would be smart. Hey, this isn't, this seems like equal opportunity. Let's get a TLC girl out there. Let's get Teresa Caputo on there. I think she'd be great. She'd be like speaking to the people who got murdered. Oh, my God. From beyond.

She'd be like, uh, peppermint's coming through. Pepperman's coming through. She'd be at breakfast. She's like, I already know who died. Hey, on that show, they ate good. That's one thing about them. The production showed us they were eating really good. I love that it's, it's so clear that it's just like some catering company is just like bringing in food every day.

And it's like, ooh, like, what do we have today? Like, mm, a little like chicken wings. Like, Fadre, like narrating the food every week was an underrated highlight. We got to meet her while they were doing it. They were doing promo and I got to film something with her. Oh, yeah, yeah. And she was so, so nice, so down for the joke. She's really sweet.

So I was like, because I was nervous to meet people like that because you don't, I know they had a long press stay and I don't want to. And then I'm like, here's this really stupid idea for a funny video, but she was like totally. So down for it. Yeah. And so was her team. Her team was because you had to like take the hood off and they had to like reset her and they were all so nice. And they were like, no, it's fine. If there's one thing they're going to do, it's reset the hair.

And they were all so great. But the best moment was that they did lunch in the room that we were waiting in. And Cherie came in too. She was like with her. And she was like, they're not showing my game. We're like, oh my girl, what is it? What was the Spanish gameplay? She's going to put out an Anna Marie, like, blame it on the edits.

She's like, I actually knew from... She made it really far. She's shockingly far. I know. She really, like, flopped her way to the top. And sometimes you have to. No, I love that with Fager, though, because I think there are people where it's like, you're like, okay, so we're just going to do this really quick, like, video or whatever.

It's going to take 30 seconds your time, and they're like, a tip of. a what? We're doing a TikTok. Like, I don't know how to do a TikTok. And it's like, I don't know. Yeah. Just get with it or just pretend. And I don't think she even got my joke because I filmed it out of order. And I was like, just trust the process plays. And she just did.

And it's just great to know people that are, she's huge. She's a huge Bravo level of myself. She also did. Who's the one creator who does the like, like defending your best friend when someone calls him gay? We were in the room with them. We're in the background of that video. Like they did that one too.

I'm like, they probably didn't have a clue what was going on. So it was funny. While they're doing that at the end of it, his name is Eric. Eric, yeah. And he was like, it was like the three of us who were kind of sitting together and then he was doing that video with Sherey. And he was like, does anybody have any ideas in this room that like, just to shout it out. And I was like, joggers. And it got quiet.

I was like, I think it's a sore subject. I don't think it's like. I should not have said that. But I did. And I did. Well, the joggers thing is hard because it's like it did just take her like 12 years to get this fashion line together. I know, but like if she owns it and just says it in a video like that on that platform of like his fandom would love it. Yeah.

Just to like, you know, poke fun at yourself. But the video's going to go more viral. Exactly. Yeah. And I stand behind what I said. Well, when he pitched it to her, it's kind of a hard pitch to somebody who doesn't understand the bit. Yes. And it could be kind of taken like out of context or like, right?

Yeah. She was like that. And she was like nervous. And we're all like all the gay people in the room. Like, girl, you're good. You're good. Just do it. It's so funny.

And then thank God she did. But I think she was a little timid about it. Which is understandable. It is kind of a ridiculous, but it's so funny, but it does kind of a hard sell. Like, I'm going to say this in front of everybody and it's going out into the ether for like hundreds of thousands of people to see. No, but she killed it. I do. I have a she by Sherey trucker hat that I was like in a days that I bought at BravoCon a couple years ago.

And they were like, you get the BravoCon. So it's $35. And I'm like, amazing. That's an artifact out now. Now you'll have it forever. I think I've worn it once and then it just kind of like like sits on a on a shelf. Totally. We just got the envy hats because we went to do her store before we did it with the podcast.

Her store is great. Have you been? I actually haven't. I don't spend a lot of time in. Yeah. In, uh, Ridgewood, right? Yeah,

we took it. It was a Saturday and we have a car in the city. I was like, let's just drive up for fun. Okay. And it was like an hour drive from like what we live in Brooklyn. But, um, her store is great.

Her, her, um, her whole crew is really sweet. And that whole area was nice. But we bought the trucker hat because we need an envy truck. But it's like, you're not going to buy like a like flowy top. Like I thought about it. We're perusing a little bit.

We spent 30 minutes in the fitting room, but we did settle on the trucker hat. She's like, can help you find anything? I'm like, there's not much for me here. Well, look at the hats. We need, we need like envy for for gay men coming. She's so funny. The podcast. She's like, oh, you like the hat?

Because Joe Gorga told me the original hat sucks. So we had to go there four rounds of hat. So I'm going to tell Joe that you like him. I'm like, thanks, Melissa. Yeah. They're good question. Sweetie. I love that. Well, on that note, it's been so fun

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