Mention It All - Dead Dolls & Mexico City Brawls Ft. Amanda Duberman (RHOBH, RHOM)

Episode Date: February 8, 2024

Dylan is joined by Betches’ own Amanda Duberman, who kicks things off with some unsettling comparisons between the state of democracy and the Real Housewives franchise. Moving right along, they dive into a recap of this week’s RHOBH, where the Barcelona trip ends on a decidedly “meh” note. They try to get to the bottom of Kyle’s rollout strategy for her marital problems, and debate whether her friendship with Dorit is a worthwhile storyline. Later, they recap a while episode of RHOM, where Lisa’s sympathy within the group is beginning to vanish. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents Ha ha ha laugh funny Mention It All A Bravo by Betches podcast We don't say that But now we said it With me, Dylan Hafer We're going to check me both

Hey everyone Welcome back to the mention at all podcast I'm Dylan Hafer And I am happy to be joined Once again today by my friend My co-worker A fellow podcast host Getting Back in the game

I'm so excited to have her on the show Amanda Duberman Hey Amanda Hi honey Yeah I did just set up my mic For the first time in several months So thanks for helping me dip back in with some housewives before I get into the Republican primary. What is more of a mess, the Real Housewives of Miami on a gondola or the state of democracy?

The eternal question. That's too hard. That is too fucking hard. I think that they are perfect metaphors for one another. There's comedy, there's drama, there's horror. It's giving you a little bit of everything. And I'm gertie. I'm just nauseous.

I'm just vomiting and I want out. somebody get Amanda a bucket. Please, I need a bucket for this election. Absolutely. Absolutely. You have an exciting new project that you are returning to the podcast space with very shortly. Can you just tell us what that is? I'm excited to hear about it in your own words.

Oh, my God. I love returning to the podcast space. That makes me sound so cool. It's your comeback album, if you will. The podcast space has been missing. Yeah, I am so, so, so excited. Hopefully we had a lot of overlap. with your listeners with our last podcast, The Bet Just Up Podcast.

We took a little hiatus to figure out like how are we going to cover this crazy year. And we have been talking to an amazing, amazing podcaster and TikToker v. Spear. You probably know them. They are huge on TikTok and they are going to join me in our new podcast. Speaking of Feeling Sick, it is called American Fever Dream. Obviously a play on two idioms because I'm obsessed with idioms. But also it's like this election cycle, I think, you know, much like Gertie on a on a Mexican, in Mexico City Gondola, it's making all of us a little bit sick.

We feel a little feverish. We feel a little hot. There's a general sense of malaise. And so our approach to this podcast is like just to alleviate that. We're just going to talk a little shit. We're going to speculate. We're not going to beg you to vote for anyone in particular, even though, you know, I think there are certain paths that are probably more productive.

But we definitely get, you know, people are kind of tired of just watching these two old white men shuffle towards the presidency, as we say. And there are cooler things to talk about. And there are really cool candidates running. If you've been looking for an entry point for this election, but you're just sort of like, ugh, I can't. I don't want to trust us. This is, this is it.

We will, we will dip you in softly. We will make you laugh a little bit along the way when appropriate. But yeah, I'm really excited to be to be back at it. There's so much to talk about. And a lot of it is just so silly. Like, it is quite catastrophic, but in such a silly way, you know. Catastrophic in a silly way, I feel like is kind of everything that happens on Bravo too. Precisely. Precisely. I'm so excited for your show. I can't wait for everyone to listen

and check it out. But I'm so glad to have you here today because we have two big episodes of Housewives to unpack. We're wrapping up some trips. We've got the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills in Barcelona or maybe slightly outside Barcelona for the most part. We've got the Real Housewives of Miami in Mexico City. It's funny always having like multiple trips going on at once. and kind of the vibes can be so different. And I was thinking, as I watched Beverly Hills, this was the final part of their trip to Barcelona. They returned home in the middle of the episode,

which this is like a, maybe this is just a personal, like, nitpick that I need to get over. I don't like on Housewives when the trip ends halfway through an episode. And it's like, commercial break and we're back with Doreet and P.K. It's like, no, I thought I was done. I was watching this episode at the gym. And I was like, oh, great, the trip's over. I can get off the treadmill.

And then suddenly... Doreton P.K. And Doreen and Kyle are having a heart to heart. I'm totally, I'm totally aligned there. That was weird. I'm like, I feel like the trip is its own capsule collection of episodes. We should have a few minutes of packing at the first, beginning of the first trip episode. And then you get on the plane. And then we should arrive back in Beverly Hills, fresh-faced next week. I don't, maybe I probably just need to get over that. But I'm, I feel like this trip as a whole, it's not that nothing happened. But also it felt like the main thing that happened was Sutton talking about Merce Cunningham. And it was just kind of like, what did we spend the last three episodes doing? I guess Crystal and Anna Marie kind of get along now. What's up with that? Like there doesn't seem to be really this like propulsive group storyline on Beverly Hills right now in a way that is kind of like I'm just looking at the cards on the table and I'm like, I guess. Right, right. Yeah, like at the end when Sutton was like really sweetly saying, you know, like, these girls are my friend and they've become my family. And I'm like, that's really lovely, but that's not really the show that I came to watch. And, you know, I've been thinking and I think other people feel this way that I have enjoyed not having Lisa Rina there. It really is kind of like a breath of fresh air. I feel like they're getting along better. I feel like there's not an instigator necessarily. But I'm like, do we need an instigator? Crystal tried a little bit. And I feel like she's sort of like backing off a little bit. But yeah, I enjoy watching it. I'm glad these

women are getting along. I mean, even when Erica was like trying, not even trying to start some shit, but I thought, I thought that was going to be like a real moment. But they, they were when Erica said, like, you know, you all sort of played a role in my pain in the next year. And it seems like they were all sort of like, that's fair. You're like, yeah, I mean, it wasn't like, I didn't go easy on you. Right. Like when, when they were reminiscing or I guess, I don't know, reminiscing implies like a fondness, but when they were looking back on the Aspen trip from last year and they were like, man, that was shit show. Wasn't this so much better? And it's like, I mean, it was better in the sense that you guys didn't fight as much, but I don't know that it was better TV. And it certainly didn't feel like an event in

the same way. I mean, we were anticipating Aspen for months. And I'm like, the Barcelona trip, it's like, just let Kyle and Garcel shop. Let them go to a store. Maybe that's why we heard so much about MERS because it was like, they knew it was funny. And that's really all we, all they had. Yeah. The Erica thing was interesting because it does feel like, if she really was invested in making this a storyline, I think she could really take it to a higher level. I mean, the fact that nobody kind of acknowledged that she was quote unquote proven right about the earrings, she could have made that like a whole big deal. And she kind of, you know, intoned that she was a little mift about it.

But even when when Anna Marie brought up at dinner like, oh, hey, Erica, you mentioned something earlier. And because I wasn't here, could you just, like, fill me in on what that's all about? And Erica was just kind of like, well, you know, I wasn't after two years. And I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like it didn't really, it never like escalated. And I know that on Miami, sometimes it feels like things are like a little too escalated too much of the time. But on Beverly Hills, it feels like we, we just are kind of in like first or second gear right now. And they're not really interested in taking it up a notch. Yeah, I feel like Erica is finally aware that, like, her future income depends on goodwill. And I think she is finally from the audience. And maybe she's finally realized that, like, doubling down on the fact that she should be able to keep all of these nice things. And, like, I hear where she's coming from. Like, she's like, like, if I, if my lifestyle suddenly changed dramatically and there was something that was $750,000 that, like, that could get you through many, many years of life.

I do understand why she's, like, was particularly, like, precious. about that, but I think, I think she has, like, rightly realized that she needs goodwill with the audience to buy her residency tickets. I mean, I think that that trailer came out yesterday, right, where she gets, like, a special. So, like, it seems like she knows that, like, where her bread is buttered, and she just wasn't going to, wasn't going to push that. But I was also surprised that none of the women were like, no, we were, we were right to question you. Like, Crystal was just sort of like, sorry about that. Yeah. And Sutton and Garcell were kind of the two biggest, like, questioners of Erica

over those couple of seasons where things were really kind of in the weeds with her legal issues, her marriage, all of that. And they didn't, they haven't really pushed back

at all this season on any of Erica's claims. I mean, like, Garsell still might be like, well, you should have just gave back the earrings. But like, they're not interested in really picking a fight there. And I think Erica has kind of had a good season, I think,

and partially because it doesn't, seem like the women, it seems like the women have sort of grown tired of trying to make issues with her. So she's just like, she's had a much less obstructed path this season than in the past where people have kind of been like, you know, holding her feet to the fire a little bit. And I don't know. I don't know if it's good for the show. I think it's good for her. Yeah, there's not much to watch. Like, I haven't found myself as eager as I happened in the past to like fire that one up, you know, as soon as it airs. Yeah. And I think that the Kyle and Maricio sort of delayed reaction is part of it because even when they had that ceremony in, you know, at the

ocean where they're all, you know, throwing things into the water and like, you know, bidding farewell to their issues. You know, I always have mixed feelings when it's like, okay, we're going to spend 15 minutes of the episode watching them be like, you know what? I could do better at this. And for that, I say, amen, you know, like, it's a little bit like, okay. It was just such a range of traumas. It was like, Kyle is like, I feel guilt over my best friend ending her life as there's like tourists like walking by. And then Anne Marie is truly just, she's like, I guess there are some things I could work on. But like things are going generally good. It was just such a crazy range. That was what sent me because sometimes when they do something like this with the way they edit it, you don't see every single person give their answer. Like I remember on Salt Lake when they did the like who would you throw off the wagon game. We only saw one person answer the question. And then.

they thought about it. With this, it's like, oh, no, we're, we're going to get every person's answer for what they want to, you know, own up to or bid farewell to in the water. And it's like for Sutton, it's like the three major men in my life that have disappeared for one reason or another. With Kyle, like you said, it's this like traumatic thing. And it really, it really solidified how little we know about Anna Marie as a person aside from her, you know, being a nurse and esthetist who sometimes. claims to be an anesthesiologist. But like when she's just like, you know, I know that I present this facade of being so perfect and having it all together. But I have a long way to go. And it's like, with what? Are you, what are you struggling with? What, she can go from an eight to a 10 and all of, or a nine to a 10. What is she nine to cross the border? Eight according to her husband? Was it eight? I don't remember the exact number. Oh my God. Yeah. But it's like, I mean, I know that she was brought on halfway through this season. So it's not necessarily her fault that we don't know her super well yet. But in that moment, it just was like, okay, the everybody else in the cast, I know exactly what they're talking about. Even if it's not super interesting to me. Like we've heard about Crystal's brother and, you know, the complicated relationship that they have in their family. We've heard about Garcell's, you know, the end of her marriage and how she's kind of dealt with being alone in these. last, you know, several years of her life.

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Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope.

It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. But then also, Kyle, in that moment where it's this big sharing circle, where it's poignant, it seems like the time to kind of open up, she makes the deliberate choice not to even reference the issues that are happening in her marriage. She brings up her friend Lorene, like you said. She brings up what's happening with her sister.

you know, everything kind of with the group, but she specifically chooses not to, you know, broach the subject of the fact that she and Mauricio are like on thin ice right now. And I, that kind of like, it kind of disappointed me just because I'm like, we're like 15 episodes into this season. I know that they're not like officially separated at this point. But I just feel like it's like, why not just sort of like bring this storyline into the group when you're clearly filming these one-off solo or, you know, with Doreet scenes where you're speaking about it. Like, you knew it was going to be on the show. Yeah, it is frustrating. It is

frustrating. And this episode, I feel like it would have fit perfectly into this episode because I feel like this episode was the first time I really sensed her, like maybe missing her husband. Like, I could tell she missed her marriage, but the fact that she had like tenderness towards him, like, I feel like I haven't seen that from her for a while. Like, she just seemed quite angry. Like, my sense this whole time has been like, they're done. Like maybe they might come back to each other, but right now it doesn't really seem like they're trying to work on anything. Like I can see them having sort of like a it's complicated, you know, movie style return to each other. But yeah, when she was like, oh yeah, like I feel bad for Mo when I'm away.

We hadn't really seen much of that. But I need her to give more. And this episode, I was even thinking that for me, the kind of narrator of Beverly Hills has shifted more to like over to Garcell. For me, she's sort of like my touch point. She's explaining to me like she's more reliable to me because with like, With Kyle, yeah, I don't know what's behind the surface. I don't know what's really going on. I thought it was super interesting that when they asked her, when to read asked her, is this the worst it's ever been?

She almost hesitated. Like, so there's definitely been stuff. We've always heard rumors about that marriage. Like, there's definitely been things going on for a long time. I guess, do you think it's just like for her, I was going to say, I mean, I assume she wouldn't want to talk about it publicly for her kids, but she is, you know, one on one. So I wonder if there's just somebody in the group who she just does not trust being emotional. with? I don't know. Yeah, I think, you know, with the group, she clearly has had some ups and downs, but in the sense that if it's going to be on the show and she had already filmed scenes talking about

it and then sharing it with the group, I don't really, I can't really think of anyone in the group that she would be that tough with, except for maybe Sutton. I guess the Sutton thing, yeah. But then she and Sutton have had all these nice moments about her friend Lorene and Sutton's father and kind of the, you know, the phases in life that they're going through. And so it is a little strange that she wouldn't feel comfortable sharing with like these, you know, seven women. But then also the scene with her and Doret at the end of the episode, it's one of those things where, you know, the Kyle and Mauricio is one thing. But the focus that we sometimes put on Kyle and Dorete's friendship, like it's this sort of touchstone of this group.

Is Kyle and Dorit's friendship something that we really need to be invested in emotionally and whether they're going to work through their distance between each other? And like, I just don't. They keep bringing that up and I'm not that worried about it. Like, yeah, every episode Dorie, it's like, I feel disconnected from my friend. I'm like, I don't, I'm not that worried about it. Like, whether you two are going to be besties is not my biggest concern with this franchise. Yeah, I think with Housewives, when you have a pair of best friends that are like,

fun and funny to watch together. I think that can add a lot of value to the show. But when it's just kind of like, you're supposed to be my rock within the group, it's like, okay, like we're all grownups. Things shift and change. And it doesn't really seem like Kyle has done anything to betray Doret. It doesn't really seem like Dorete has, you know, done anything. It just kind of feels like, okay, you're two like 50-year-old women.

If you're like not as close as you used to be, I don't really need. I don't really think anything is wrong with that. Sometimes it takes going through something to realize, like, some of your friendships might be more superficial than you realized. Like, I can think I'm super, super close with an acquaintance or friend. And, like, it's just maybe situational. And I'm actually not really willing to divulge that to them. And I feel like they're both having things with their marriage that they're not

willing to be fully transparent about on camera. And so it's like, I just, I don't buy that there's this huge sort of gulf between them that needs to be repaired. Because I'm like, you're both, you're both lying to each other. neither of you are being completely frank about your situations. And all I want to know is more. Yeah. And I don't think there's, if you have a friendship with someone that has only existed in the

time span that you've been on a show together. And I'm not saying that they aren't real friends outside of filming. It's not about that. It's about the fact that the entire time that you've been in each other's lives, the show has been a consistent. It's like you can't really. objectively look at that friendship separate from the show. And so I think with Kyle and Doret, it's one of those things where, like, they've never had

to examine how close they would be if they weren't on TV together. So obviously, like, with Teddy leaving a couple seasons ago, then it sort of was maybe convenient for Kyle to sort of sidle up to Doreet and be like, now you're my dynamic duo. But then it's like, okay, so if one or both of you left the show, tomorrow, would you hang out more than a couple times a year? Yeah, especially because I feel like they were a really good couple friends, right? Like, she and Kyle and Mo and P.K. were like besties. And if both of those marriages are a little fraught right now, like, yeah, like, then that's

really the context in which they hung out, then it makes sense why they're not connecting. Yeah, I almost feel like Maricio and P.K. were closer than Kyle andry or like had more of like a... I miss seeing them together. They seemed like more of people who really enjoyed each other's company. in a way that I'm like, I think Kyle and Doreet worked well for as kind of like an alliance on the show, but I don't know. Right, right. Yeah, it is weird.

Now that we're talking about it, that scene, it's like the scenes with the two of them, they feel they're not quite awkward, but it's just like you're just, they're so on the surface. Like, we're not getting, we're not going to get any, any depth. And it's revealing a lot about the relationship, you know, that they've had this whole time. Yeah. Beverly Hills, we're obviously getting toward the tail end of this season. And like, I'm really, I guess there's going to be some big, big bang at the end with the Kyle and Maricio stuff. But I'm kind of like, I feel like we could like, we could be, we could be done for a minute.

All I've been wanting, all I've been thinking this whole season, the biggest thing that's happened to me that I want to know more about is like, remember when Garcel. I can't remember exactly what she said, but in a confessional, she said something implying that Doreet knew about the home invasion, right? That happened. Yes. And then took a sip of their water. So I want to see how that comes up at the reading because because that's the. If they bring that up, like, that's the only time we're going to get any, any, any acknowledgement from Doreat about that conversation. So that's the biggest thing that's happened to me so far.

And the best thing that's happened to me this season is when Erica said, I don't know this man. I don't want to taste this man. My favorite moment of the episode was when, um, was when the guy was like, oh, should we pray in Spanish? And, and Doree, con, con esto. And the guy's like, no, no, no, I'm going to do the toast. And it was just, and it was like the classic Spanish toast of like, Arrivo, Bahá, Central, Bernardra. She really does have such main character energy.

It was very, um, in bridesmaids when she gets up in this speech and she's like, uh, Vivir and La Esuela. So funny. So funny. Meanwhile, over on Miami, Adriana is speaking like fluent Spanish multiple times in this episode to the point where I forgot that she's like not a Spanish speaker natively. Like she's Brazilian. She speaks Portuguese.

Gis, but she also speaks French and she also speaks Spanish and she, of course, also speaks English, seeing Adriana just like in the island of the dead dolls or whatever, just like speaking to this man in fluent Spanish, having this whole conversation about why this stuff is here. I'm like, wow. What a Renaissance woman. You and I were actually on the fence for today's episode about whether we were going to be, like, caught up on Miami in time. And I'm so glad that we ended up deciding to talk about Miami.

because even just the first 10 minutes of that episode where the gondola that they're on makes a stop at the island of the dolls and watching Marisol be like, well, I have to pee, so I'm going to get off the boat. And Marisol and Adriana suddenly are like clutching onto each other. I never thought I would see them even speak to one another. And then Lisa and Larsa are like clutching onto one another, 10 minutes after they've been, yelling, screaming at each other on the boat. It was so chaotic, so, so funny.

Alexia's just always screaming. This was the first time we were like, Alexia, shut the fuck up. Be quiet. She was just narrating the whole thing, like making everything worse. It was, yeah, the first 15 minutes of that episode were, I mean, narcotic. Yeah, it was, it went from like funny to a little spooky to then just like very concerning so quickly because it was like, oh, Gertie is like, Gertie's like, Gertie's crying. and Gertie's upset.

Gertie's throwing up. Oh, Gertie's in an ambulance. Like the progression was really tough. But then also, like, when they finally are getting off the boat, it took them so long to get off the boat because they're all back on the boat after that island, except for Adriana, who's like in her orange jumpsuit still in the middle of the island. But when they finally get off that gondola and are like getting Gertie, the medical attention she needs.

And Lisa is still just like, has anyone seen? my lip gloss? Did anyone see a lip gloss? That was, it was the color I wanted to wear tonight. So I, I really want to find the lip gloss. Lisa Hawstein, sometimes she still manages to surprise me with how kind of like out of the moment she can be. Absolutely. And it really is. These last couple episodes have been kind of tough really to watch with with the way that she's handling herself. I agree. I found her super, I mean, I don't know if I found her likeable or I like her, but it's like, I feel like with the housewives, it's kind of like, you know, that phrase of crush is a lack of information. I feel that way about everybody. It's like, we get to enjoy these women in a certain context.

And then like, the more we get to know them, the more that's added in, the more you see them respond to other situations, the more it's like, ugh, ick, this might be a bad person or like, this person needs. I mean, like, we'll get to this, but when like, I thought we were getting somewhere when Kiki was like, do you even know my son's name? Like, I thought Lisa was taking that earnestly, but then she was like, it's not my job to heal your childhood trauma. And I was like, oh dear. Oh, dear. Right. Yeah.

I mean, that was such a weird moment because what Kiki had been sort of spouting off right before that wasn't even about childhood trauma. It was about her life now and the fact that she has kids. And it just was, yeah, it's it's tough because I think Lisa, I agree with some of the other women on the cast that Lisa has been sort of like a. extended so much grace over the last couple years because she's been in these, you know, trying unpredictable circumstances where she clearly has had this like just massive sea change in everything that she knew in her life. But that there is a time when the sympathy sort of

well runs dry. Especially when you're unable to extend your own sympathy to anyone else about anything. Right. And I think that's kind of where she is really coming up short in these last couple episodes is that it's not that people don't have any concern for what she's going through still or, you know, she's, she's on this trip about to be in the, she's signing the settlement. She's maybe going to court. It's still a little unclear. But like, I think people would be willing to give her space and consideration for the fact that she's still going through this stuff. if she wasn't also like offending people in real time with things that she's saying and doing about other situations.

Like the, you know, I can be, I can feel bad for you that you're going through something and then also like hold you accountable for something else. Yeah, yeah. She's not exempt from being like a decent person or a decent friend because she's going through this. Maybe even, I mean, sure, maybe we'd indulge her that at the beginning. Like you're not at your best when you're going through something terrible. But she is really, really, really testing.

testing the goodwill. It's like, and I think we saw Kiki channel that for all of us this episode. We saw Kiki channel it. And even, even Larsa, when Larsa was saying, like, I have your back. You know I'm like your ride or die. But if I see you saying the wrong thing, I'm going to call you out. And that's what it was with Kiki on the boat. Like you were, you were being out of pocket with her. And so I wasn't just going to like blow smoke up your ass. And I think, I mean, as as much as Larsa can also suffer from her own foot and mouth. disease in a very special way. Like, the fact that Larsa Pippin is going to be the one to be like, nah, that was wrong. Yeah, I was, I was pleasantly surprised that, like, I don't really think the, the way, the things that, I wonder if you were thinking of this, like, the way that Lisa was talking about Kiki was evoking, like, the way that Dereet was talking about Garcel. And I was like, this, like, if you're going to refer to like a black woman as violent and

aggressive, that's not, that's not what Kiki was doing. And I was glad that Larsa didn't make this point because of Kiki's race, but I was glad that the people were like, no, you can't, you can't push people like that. Like, this was you. This wasn't just her throwing a juice box at you. Like, you played, you played a serious role in this. So I was really relieved that those people, that people did stand up for Kiki and did say to Lisa, like, this behavior is not acceptable. And you were asking for it. Yeah, like when Nicole and Alexia were basically like, even if you were joking, even if you were, you know, trying to, trying to work it out. Like. and she's not receiving any of it. Right. And that's the thing. It's like when you have people like, like Dr. Nicole, she gets it. She's like, you know, she and Gertie and, you know, they're kind of like on, I think, the right side of history most of the time.

Yeah. But when you have people like Larsa and Alexia respectfully, when you have those two in your ear being like, hey, babe, I think that you might want to think about the words that you're using and the way you're approaching the conversation, it's like you have probably made several wrong turns if you have gotten to a point where even Alexia is like, no, you didn't handle that one right, Mama. Right, exactly, right, exactly.

No, she's just reacting, reacting, reacting. Nothing is ever her fault. She deserves complete deference to her every emotion. Like, no, that's going to run dry, even with your dearest friends. Like you married this shitty man. Like, it's fine. We're done with this.

Sign your papers. Be quiet. Yeah. I think I really, at the end of the episode when Kiki was kind of bringing up the idea that it's like, not only has Lisa been kind of, you know, callous toward her, but like nobody in the group really knows much about her. She isn't getting, you know, they don't really seem that interested in kind of getting to know her on a deeper level. that really like it resonated with me in the sense that I think I think Kiki seems super interesting but we haven't really gotten a lot of information from her on the show I mean she she shares little tidbits sometimes I know she's really private with her like family and stuff I didn't know

and maybe this is my fault because I I don't Google them but I didn't know she she was a mom until this episode yeah I don't think that's like a strange thing not to know from watching the show because she doesn't, they're not on camera at all, I don't think. But she, she doesn't even really talk about them. She doesn't post them on social much. But I think, like, with Kiki, there, I, I kind of have mixed feelings because in a way, I'm like, hey, yeah, that, that sucks that we don't know more about her. I would love to see more. But then in a show standpoint, I'm also like, if you've been around for three years and you don't feel like these women have any,

deeper connection with you or like know about your life, then kind of like, why are you, why do you even want to be in the group? And I feel bad saying that almost because I like having her on the show. I think her presence is a bonus to the show. But I almost like, I'm almost like, okay, so then like I feel like you could find better friends than like Larsa and Lisa. Right. Like she's so funny on the show. And she, what she adds is so valuable that I think I always assumed like she was, that was what she was doing intentionally and that was the level of integration that she wanted. So it was like, I certainly respected everything she said this episode about feeling like they didn't care about her or her life. But like you said, like I think that's, I thought that's what she wanted

out of the show. Like, I'd be surprised. Like she took like, she really is sort of like for me, she's sort of the narrator of the show and how ridiculous and absurd these women are. So it is, it was a little bit of a news to me that she wanted genuine friendships with them. Like, you don't want to be friends with Lisa. Come on. Good sleep is ever. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-D-A-N-E for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance. Find Ollie'sollie's solution for the whole family at ollie.com.

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Visit redbull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. Going into the next season of Miami, I will be super curious to see whether they finally feel the need to like shuffle up the cast even a little bit. Because for these last three seasons, since they reboot, the show, it's been the exact same group of women and even down to the same six housewives and three friends of, which I think on this franchise, the delineation between housewife and friend is the least noticeable of any franchise. But like still, we're obviously with Kiki, I think

if she were to become a full-time housewife, there would be a little bit more expectation that we were seeing kind of, whether it's solo scenes or her family. family more or just kind of like her day to day life. Like I loved seeing her, um, you know, on the runway at swim week. I've, I've enjoyed her presence so much. But like, there is that kind of question of like, does this person want to be a housewife? I remember for for a long time, um, on Atlanta before Marlowe had become a full time housewife for the first time. There were like, kind of competing narratives, I feel like of people being like, oh, well, she, she actually doesn't want to be a housewife.

Like she doesn't want to like, you know, open up her life more. And then there were other people where it's like, oh, because of her like legal issues, Bravo would never make her a housewife. And then like we waited long enough and now she's been a housewife for multiple seasons. So I'm wondering with Kiki whether there is kind of a similar like maybe the right time will come. Maybe it won't. But I would be so curious to know kind of like what she sees as her goal sticking with the show. Yeah.

As much as Lisa is like grading on all of us, like you're not. never wondering what she's going through or what she needs from you. Whereas like with Kiki, you know, she sort of has been just like the silly, funny, casual one. And I thought that was all she wanted from the group. And like, it was really sort of painful to see how hurt she was by, you know, what she doesn't get from the group. But I do think it's sort of fair to sort of, like, was she positioning herself to have that relationship kind of anyway? I'm not sure. I do think her, her, like, argument style, I find very compelling. I think, I think it's exciting to watch.

And like her going back and forth with Lisa in the last couple episodes, I'm like, I would watch more of that. I think that she clearly can hold her own in situations like that. And so I would love to see her kind of like carry a little bit more of the weight of the show that I think she would do well. Because, you know, it's tough with a group of nine people that are all big personalities. Like there's only so much room in a 43 minute episode to really like stand your ground. And I think, you know, not everybody does it in the same way, but there's, there's a lot of avenues to explore. Well, it's so, I mean, like, Gertie was sort of like with her supporting everything she was saying to Lisa.

At then, like, yeah, she is entitled. Yeah, she's a brat. Oh, karma. Oh, goodness. I don't know if the divorce is carbon. But then everyone was like, oh, no, oh, no. Like, because you see, these women are very spiritual. So, like, you invoke karma or anything sort of like, you know, spiritual or otherworldly.

And they're like, oh, Jesus Christ, it's like none of them can handle the fucking island. I actually have told, I've talked to Gertie about how I think one of her strengths as a housewife is being a very good active listener where like somebody like Kiki will be listening off things. She's like, okay, okay. Oh, oh, you're going too far. Yes. I love Gertie so much. Gertie is like, I mean, she's such a great presence on the show. The ponytail on the blood pressure cuff. She's cut it off. When Nicole's like, how attached to this ponytail are you both physically and spiritually because it's coming off? And then she was wearing it later again, I think.

So I guess I guess they rescue it. But from that I was also like, okay, I guess we just need a medical professional on all housewives cast, like if you're going to send them on these trips. Because let me tell you, Dylan, I am I'm 34. I'm not young. I can't drink on vacation anymore because I'll all have to go in an ambulance. And these women are in their late 50s getting hammered, drinking no water in the mountains. I actually, I don't think Gertie's in her late 50s. But Gertie's like, she's like, yeah, she's not young.

She's, you know how old Adriana is? she's 58 she's the oldest that woman's almost 60 she looks unreal yeah she I saw her do a live performance of Faya at bravo con yeah and she was in a similar like showgirl style outfit just like full ass out I was sitting in the front row and I'm like you are truly one of a kind in a way that I can't quite wrap my mind around but I also yeah I don't like her but she looks incredible I don't like her, but she looks incredible. That's put it on her gravestone. It works great.

Yeah, she crushed that pride performance. You know, Marisol had questions about the live vocals, but everybody else seemed to really enjoy it. Have you Dylan ever learned that you'd been misspelling a dear friend's name? Oh. Late in, it happened to me recently. Julia coming out with the sign spelling Adriana with an E. And then she was like, she was like, well, I have her in my phone. A, D-R-E.

Okay. Man, I don't know. I'm pretty, I, I tend to be pretty precise about spelling and stuff. It's like the, the like editor mindset. But I don't, it's, I don't know, it's tough. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God.

What a, what a show. I'm like, no, I need to know, like, which E the accent goes over on Timothy. Like, that's. No, Dylan's contact list is basically fact checked by a New Yorker fact checker. That's actually, it's a problem of mine when I'm like talking to people on dating apps and I like get their number and I'm like okay like it bothers me to not know your last name like I don't want to have people in my phone that's like you know Kyle hinge like that's it rubs me the right. It's the impurcision that's the issue not dating. So I'm like do I ask your last name? Do I just like find

it on do I stock you online and then just like put it in there but then it's awkward if you see it and you're like how do you know my last name? Like it's it really is tough but that is tricky. I think I would spell Adriana correctly. Probably. Probably. My other note from this episode was that Like, I think it's just says so much about the Housewise universe that there is an episode of Housewives preferred to as Scary Island. And it is not this one. They were on a fucking island of dead, of dying dolls. But no, that's not, that's not scary island.

I also this episode like, Julia, my heart goes after her. Of course. But I just thought it was a little silly where she was like, I really shouldn't look. I really shouldn't look. Like, bitch, you should not have looked. The most traumatizing thing you could have looked. She was like, out of respect, I want to look. And then, of course, she fell apart.

I was like, honey, you didn't have. to look. What do you make of Julia kind of like running her mouth a bit now? Yeah, I, I like seeing Julia like mix it up a little bit and kind of like get in there. Because I think she's the kind of person where like, I think she is a fascinating person. But I think sometimes with the group, there's a little bit of like, why are you like, similar to Kiki almost where it's like, they treated her like an alien. Yeah. Right. But it's like, why are you friends with these girls? Like, would you hang out? Like, would Julia ever pursue a friendship with someone like Alex outside of the context of this show.

I don't really think so. But I appreciate that she's mixing it up, but that at the same time, I'm like, I felt like with the telling Lisa that the women were like inside calling her a brat, I felt like it was a little bit shady because I think Julia mostly agreed with them, but she framed it like,

oh, Kiki's talking all this shit about you. And like, she's not wrong, but also isn't Kiki, you know, messy? That's what surprised me. too. I was like, what loyalty or like, you know, what tenderness do you suddenly feel towards Lisa that you're going to go pull that over, bring that over to her? It was surprised. Yeah. I don't know if it was like in the moment. She just, you know, it's the urge struck her. But it did feel a little bit like, wait, what? It also seems like they don't get as mad at her as they do when somebody else would do it.

Like, like when, I don't know who would do it a lot. Like Larsa, like, oh, Julia, there you go again. What are you doing? It's so silly. What are you doing? I don't know. That might change. But right now they're just sort of like silly Julia, but like she's really stirring shit up. She caused that whole intense row at the end. Well, thank God. Thank God she did. Exactly. Exactly.

It's just so interesting. It's not what I expected from her. But like you said, if they do do a cash shakeup, I mean, I enjoy watching her do do anything. But it was interesting to see her kind of like integrate in the group or sort of like serve a purpose other than being, you know, hilarious and being married to a legend. Yeah. It's like, as you get further into the season, you got to like switch it up. And that's usually how I talk to men about housewives that don't watch is I'll reference Martina.

And they're like, wait, what? And then they're like, okay, this is serious. They've got real people on there. Yeah. Well, Amanda, this has been so fun catching up about Housewives with you. And I hope you'll come back soon. But in the meantime, tell everyone where and when they can listen to your new podcast. Yes.

Please subscribe to American Fever Dream. It's in the same place where you got the Betcha Set Feed. But if you unsubscribe during our hiatus or you're a new listener, just search American Fever Dream. ever you listen to podcast. And our premiere episode is going to be next Tuesday, February 13th. And then we'll be weekly to start. And then over time, we'll sort of start bringing in some guests. We just want to be like really responsive to everything that's happening. And there's a lot happening. I mean, the idea is like, how many episodes I've mentioned at all were you going to do when

you started Dylan? I mean, probably as many as you do now. I think you do it every day. No comment. Well, Amanda, thank you so much for joining. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. Go check out Amanda's new podcast, American Fever Dream, wherever you get your mention at all. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmacat. Editing by Horace Pico, social media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander.

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