Mention It All - Did Lindsay & Carl Just Break Up?! (RHOC)

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

Dylan is back with a solo episode catching up on the latest Bravo news. First, he breaks down Erika Jayne’s latest lawsuit, which has everything: drag queens, the Secret Service, bribery! Next, he addresses rumors about Carl and Lindsay’s breakup, and makes a low-confidence prediction. Later, he recaps this week’s RHOC, where Heather’s acting is off the charts and Tamra’s being a little too nice to Shannon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioner All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. We are just barreling toward the end of summer here. The Jersey ladies last night had their now annual, I guess, charity baseball game at Coney Island. So this is going to be the third year. that we're doing this baseball game

on Real Housewives of New Jersey, I don't I don't know how much mileage we're getting out of the baseball game. You know, a couple years ago, Teresa had the leggings and, you know, she said Margaret's ass looked bad.

That was funny, I guess. Last year, we did the baseball game. This year, we're doing the baseball game. The fact that the whole Jersey cast is back and we're going back to the baseball game. Like, I know it's for charity. So I'm glad they're doing it as a group, I guess. But I don't know.

I don't know if we need a whole episode about it. These shows sometimes, it's nice to have consistency. But the line between consistency and repetition, it's a tricky one. And, I mean, speaking of repetition, I really didn't anticipate that I was going to spend two episodes this week talking about Erica Jane. But unfortunately, some news dropped on Tuesday afternoon, which was right after I recorded that episode that came out yesterday with the lovely Laurence Gay. So we talked

about Erica's Vegas show through the lens of Lauren having attended it. She had a good time. I love that for her. But then I pull up, you know, the internet.com. And on USA Today, I see this article. Erica Jane accused of committing fraud scheme with Secret Service agents an American Express. Erica Jane, fraud scheme, secret service agents, American Express. What kind of fucked up Madlib bullshit is this? So I'm reading through the thing. To be honest, it's a little bit complicated. But the general gist is that there's this guy, Christopher Pasella,

who is a co-founder of a costumer, designer, fashion company, Marco Marco. If you've never heard of Marco Marco, they have drag queens that are kind of in their legions. They make clothes that look like things that Erica Jane would wear to perform. So, you know, if you're shopping at Nordstrom or Macy's, it's not for you. But whatever, it's, they're in this world. So according to this lawsuit, dating all the way back to 2014, Erica basically gave Marco Marco

permission to just charge her credit card for all of these goods and services. You know, they were working with her. She was in her, you know, dance music career. This was before she was even on housewives. Over the course of a few years, she was charged for goods and services totaling $800 to $900,000 to $900,000,

you know, chump change for most of us that aren't broke bitches. In 2017, Erica and her husband, Tom, along with a group of secret service agents and credit card company American Express, conspired to, quote, maliciously prosecute him in April 2017 for alleged wire fraud and identity theft. So basically, in 2017, Erica and co were like, hey, we didn't say you could charge me with this $800,000. And so she got apparently Tom Girardi, quote, weaponized. this is all alleged. Quote, weaponized the Secret Service by soliciting and bribing Agent Roberts Havage to launch a federal criminal investigation against Pasella instead of scrutinizing his business dispute with Jane.

So basically he's saying this should have been a private thing. If they had an issue with me, we could have just figured it out. But instead, Tom Gerardy put his fingers on the scale of justice and got the Secret Service involved to do a federal investigation. This is intense. The lawsuit also states that Jane and Gerardi enlisted American Express in their alleged fraud scheme, with Pasella alleging the company failed to investigate Jane's claim of unauthorized charges and refunded the couple nearly $800,000. So essentially, they got the Secret Service involved to make Christopher Pasella's life hell. And then they got American Express involved to get the money back.

And both of these, you know, Secret Service and American Express were then sort of complicit in the fuckery that happened to Christopher Pesela. Complaint stays quote, Tom Girardi was going bankrupt and used client settlement funds from his new law firm. His law firm, Gerardi Kis, to pay for his and Erica's extravagant lifestyle. I mean, this is all stuff we know. So, essentially, these charges happened in 2017. They were eventually dropped. But now Christopher Passala is saying that it caused damage to his company and his reputation and all the legal fees, XYZ. This makes sense.

So this thing from six years ago is now coming back. to haunt Erica the same week that she launches her Vegas residency. That does not seem like a coincidence timing-wise. Former Rupal's Drag Race contestant and very well-known drag queen, Willam, posted these screenshots from the article on Instagram. And, you know, Willam is close with Marco Marco, was coming for Erica, you know, for trying to mess with Marco, and also just threw in a little dig that her Vegas costumes are off the rack.

And that's really the kicker here. I mean, if your Vegas costumes are off the rack, like, pack it up, honey, you're done. This is super interesting just because I think overall in the last couple years, Erica has really been able to make it through the wilderness of that legal mess and of people really thinking that she was the villain and all of this. And so for these charges to come back and, you know, this lawsuit to be sort of freshly top of mind, it's tough. I, God, I wish they were filming for Beverly Hills right now. I've heard that there were cameras at Erica's shows last weekend, but I have to imagine that that's going to be more of like a last five minutes of the finale thing.

Like, we might see her, you know, rehearsing for it or talking. about it on this season, but I don't think they're actually like filming a whole episode in Vegas for her show. But I would love to see the women getting a push notification about another Erica Jane lawsuit on camera. That's something that would spark joy for me. And unfortunately, I don't think we're going to get it. But rumor has it, Beverly Hills and Potomac are both coming in November. So hopefully there will be more news on that front soon. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot. It's time to fire up summer cookouts with the next grill

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favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. In other news, I hate to say news, this is a rumor. Word on the street, and by that I mean word on some, you know, questionably reputable social media accounts is that Carl and Lindsay's engagement

might be off. There's a rumor. I got to say, I don't believe it, or I don't believe this version of it. If they end up not getting married, fine, but I just don't think, I don't think they're going to let it blow up in each other's faces. I think they have too much invested in this. I think they are both I believe that their relationship is real, but I also believe that they are smart, strategic people who know how this whole thing works. And I think they will make it down the aisle. That's what I'm saying for now.

Maybe by next week I will look really stupid. But I don't know. I just don't see it ending like this. I want to believe in love. But now the real reason we are here today to talk about Real Housewives of Orange County, another solid episode. This season continues to just really deliver

on what needs to be delivered. We start off with Heather and Terry, who are in escrow on their house in Orange County. And then as the Altmans are at their house, the deal goes through, the buyer's sign, and it is the third highest home sale in Orange County history. $55 million. That is such a wild amount of money.

to think that we watched we watched Heather and Terry build this house with their bare hands and now it's sold for $55 million. I just, I feel like it's unfair that there's no way for me to just get $55 million. Like I know that thinking logically, this house didn't just

appear in Heather and Terry's possession and then they got to just make $55 million. But like, I just, I want that. Like, I want $55 million very badly. It sucks that that can't happen. It also is strange to me, this penthouse that they're buying in L.A. in Century City, it's only two bedrooms?

Why do you? I know it's supposed to be like her and Terry's throw back to Bronwyn in the Love Nest. the LA love nest. It's supposed to be their love nest, but like two bedrooms. It seems like they overpaid and Century City too. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm no luxury real estate expert. I'll take Josh Altman's word for it, but I don't know, two bedrooms. Seems light. I love the detail. You know, the deal goes through. They pop a bottle. And Heather says that she prefers the 2012 Dom Perignon and that the 2010 wasn't good.

And I really now just need to know how this compares to Mary M. Cosby's beloved 2003 Dom Perignon, which, of course, she told us in season one, is the year that the heat wave, you know, is the hottest year on record and something like 5,600 people died and it created the best grapes ever. So what happened in 2012 to make that Dom so superior? Because Mary Cosby, I mean, she has the evidence. She has the proof. I'm sure they would taste exactly the same to me. But no, if you're ever in the market, the 2010, not good, apparently.

I love that Taylor is having another full cast event this episode. She really is pulling her weight and then some as a friend. And, you know, props to her. When she has an event, all the ladies show the fuck up. Last week, Shannon's having her taco party. She can't get half the cast to come. They're dropping like flies. Meanwhile, Taylor is like, come sit outside and carve a pumpkin and shove your arm up the

bottom of the pumpkin. Doesn't that sound fun? And they're all like, great, what time? Where do I need to be? Just text me the detail. and I will be there. Honestly, it feels like, it sounds like a joke, but it is impressive that Taylor is objectively the newest and kind of lowest on the ladder of this group and really is liked

by everyone is a solid member of the group. It feels like I would at this point be really surprised if she doesn't come back next season. And I think if she wants to be full time. she totally should be because honestly like if you're if you're that much a part of the group good for you it's more than a lot of women can say but we're kind of picking up the pieces of course from this taco party fiesta dinner this episode because of course Emily Gina and Heather weren't there so there's a lot of a great fine communications that need to be had Gina and Emily are hanging out at a motorcycle dealership because why not and Gina

tells Emily about Shannon's CPS comment, which she obviously heard about via Jen. So there's, you know, the line of telephone is very long right now. But Gina, she feels like she hasn't done anything to Shannon to warrant all of this negativity. And I think this comes up later in the episode, but Gina, Gina is really the one in the group who's talked about Shannon's relationship the least. Emily's kind of on the hook for it. Heather's kind of on the hook. hook for it. Tamara says a lot in the confessional that she might not say to Shannon's face. Gina kind of is minding her own business when it comes to Shannon. And, you know, they've obviously had their disagreements, but Shannon seems to have this kind of chip on her shoulder about

Gina's whole existence. And Emily's like, well, she clearly just doesn't like you. And it's like, yeah, it kind of seems like it. You know, going back to the CPS thing, Gina says it's been four years since her DUI and Shannon's biggest contribution in that time is just reminding everyone that it happened and that each time there's a new friend or a new person in the group, it's like Shannon is the one making it into a big thing. Like, Gina is at a point in her life where the DUI she got four years ago, it's like, I'm sure she thinks about it. It's not like it has no bearing on her life, but it's not something that she's dealing with on a daily basis at this point. So somebody like Jen Pedrante, unless Gina wants to confide in her about it, really has no reason to even know

about that, or, I mean, unless she watched the show, which is probably more likely. But like, it's not something that's so crucial to who Gina is as a person that, like, Shannon should be giving Jen and Taylor, by the way, a heads up that this is something that she dealt with. And then obviously the CPS thing is just so out of pocket. But. But. Meanwhile at Shannon's house, we see John Jansen rubbing her shoulders like a dog after a bath. Just so chilling. He has to leave the second Tamara gets there. He clearly is like, I want to be on camera exactly 0% more than I need to right now.

So he gets the fuck out. Shannon tells Tamara that they've talked about, how they feel and all the chatter, and that she and John have decided they don't care. what people are saying, and I would just like to say, um, bullshit. No one has ever cared more about what people are saying than Shannon Storm's baddore. Like, you don't get to storm out of one party and that, and hear from across the room that somebody's whispering and, you know, freak the fuck out and then yell at everyone, and then assume that everyone's talking about you,

even though you were the one talking about yourself. All of her behavior in the last several episodes of this show, and I mean, transparently the last several seasons of this show, nobody has ever been less unbothered than Shannon Storm's Bedore. So for all of a sudden to be like, well, yep, we're good. It's fine. I don't care. People can talk.

People can say whatever they want. oh Shannon the self-awareness has never been lower the bar is below the floor at this point but anyway she says that you know she's not going to talk about every argument she has with John but she does get upset when they're not spending a lot of time together which it's nice to hear her acknowledge that there's you know one percent of something wrong in her relationship and they've never gone on a trip together and they don't talk about getting married because you know who knows whatever and this is an case of Tamara in the moment kind of being like, yeah, okay. And then immediately in the

confessional, we see here being like, they don't talk about getting married. That's a huge red flag to me. They've been together for three years at this age. If you're not talking about, it's like, I actually, I think Tamara is obviously a great housewife. And I think she is working the group really well this season. But I wish she would be a little more honest with Shannon face to face because she actually has a lot of strong opinions and insights about Shannon's relationship in the confessional and a little bit with the other women. And it feels like she is sort of babying Shannon or kind of not pushing back on anything she says, probably because she knows that it's a little bit of a lost cause. But I think these interactions would be a lot more

interesting if Tamara was like, Shannon, honey, get real. If he won't go on a tree. rip with you and you're scared to even bring up the idea of getting married, that is a red flag. Not because you need to get married. Not because you need to be doing anything that other people say you should, but because like you shouldn't feel like you're walking on eggshells to bring up something that's a normal relationship topic. The topic of talking about getting married with somebody you've been with for years shouldn't

be terrifying to you. And it seems like Shannon is kind of in this place where no matter how good she says things are with John, she is so focused on not rocking the boat at all or like putting a foot out of line that she's kind of just going along with whatever John's status quo is. And obviously this isn't something that's going to serve her long term because Shannon is a sensitive person with, you know, needs and desires. and she should have those. I mean, I'm not like the biggest Shannon fan in the world, but I want her to be happy. I want her to be in a relationship

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Meanwhile, over at Jen and Ryan's, she's scared by the idea of marrying him. It's literally the opposite. He wants to talk about getting married and she's like, wait, Wait, wait, wait. So you've never been in a successful relationship. What makes you feel like we should jump into something like that together? And he's like, oh, baby, baby, baby, I love you.

And she's like, well, it just scares me because, you know, if a woman came between us, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, well, we were on a break. So I don't think it's fair to say that a woman came between us because we were on a break. What was I supposed to do? Not fuck somebody else? And she's like, in the confessional, she immediately tells us that when they were on this break, there were no discussions or parameters set about being with other people. So while he is not technically wrong, she still has a lot of complicated feelings about that. And it does feel like Ryan is not somebody who really is capable of having these conversations in a serious, you know, emotionally mature way.

case in point, she's like, babe, forever's a long time, you know, with just one person, and it's just you and me. And Ryan goes, just you and me and those boobies. Can I just say, if you are an adult straight man, the idea that you would ever be with a woman and refer to her boobies is absolutely... I'm speechless. You and me and those boobies? This is a conversation that is supposed to make her feel better

about spending the rest of her life with you. And you're like, hoo hooops. If I wasn't on the fence about this man already, I certainly am now. I've got two legs over the fence. I would say I'm hanging on with one hand. It's not looking good. Because he should know they've already been through so much stuff.

It's like she's trying to have a real conversation with you and he just cannot keep his shit together and not make a fucking joke about boobies. Oh, it like, I fully. just can't. But, you know, I don't want to dwell on that too long because, of course, Tamara and Eddie are then working out together. And this is when we first talk about Heather and Terry's, how do we say, lightly staged paparazzi pictures at Disneyland. I remember when these photos were coming out. And it was a little bit like, okay, what's going on? What are we doing here?

What's this? Because Tamara, I mean, as much as Tamara wants to be messy about this, she's right. Paparazzi in Orange County doesn't work like that. Paparazzi pretty much anywhere doesn't work like that. Unless you're going to a handful of restaurants or clubs in L.A. that are like celebrity hotspots and there's just going to be some dude with a camera outside. There's a guy who goes live on TikTok like every day outside of Craigs in L.A. and he used to be a TMZ photographer,

and now he just like waits on TikTok live, hoping that celebrities show up. Like, okay, if your photo gets taken walking into Craigs, did you call them to show up? Probably not. But there are not paparazzi just crawling around Disneyland or anywhere in Orange County. Orange County is not the celebrity hotspot.

If you're a photographer for TMZ or, you know, splash news or any of those photo, sites, the only way, unless you have specific information about where somebody's going to be at a specific time, the only way you can actually do that and have a good enough hit rate of getting photos of people to make it worth it for you is to go to like Craggs or, you know, Saddle Ranch or the nice guy. You know, there are a handful of spots, but, you know, the corner of Main Street USA and Disneyland is not one of them. And so, well, I don't know if talking about this on two T's and a pod and Teddy going off

about the photos was the best way for Tamara to go about this, I don't think that she's wrong. And I'm glad that we're talking about it because I do think I like Heather and Terry a lot, but I think that there can be kind of a vibe sometimes that they think their shit doesn't stink and they think that they kind of can be above the level of most of the housewives drama. And while I love Heather's kind of aloof commentary on things, I do think that there are situations where it's like, nope, I want to hear about this like for real, for real. And so I'm glad that Tamara brings it up. Of course, this comes back up at the fall festival. But first, Shannon and Heather have to meet. They've had the same meeting three times essentially now where Shannon's like, well, Heather,

I've heard that you've been talking about my relationship. And it's, Emily says it's not her. Tamara says it's not her. They both say it's you. And I mean, at this point, like I just feel like we've established that it's kind of just all of them. We got a clip package of three different times that Tamara has either said or like implied that she has information about Shannon when she's like, oh, so you guys didn't get the phone call. You think they're happy together because you didn't get the phone call. Because I got the phone call.

It's like when you have like news or information that you feel like you can't be the one to bring it up, but also it's like killing you not to say it. So you're like, oh, right? Like, yeah, like it's pretty crazy. Like, you know, I don't want to talk about my night, but like whatever. You're like fishing for somebody to be like, okay, what did you do last night? And you're like, oh my God, I thought you'd never ask. I went to dinner, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, this is what Tamara's doing. She's laying breadcrumbs. She's testing the waters with other people. And, you know, it's clearly a mind fuck for all of these women to have this dynamic with Shannon where she's calling them and giving them information and venting and saying things. And then the next time you see her or the next time you're on camera, it's like it never happened. she might not remember that it happened, but if she does, you're definitely not supposed to bring it up on camera.

God forbid you bring it up when she's not around. Even if everybody has the same information, you're like in this weird circle of trying to figure out like, do I say too much? How much am I supposed to know? How much does everyone else know? Did we all get the same amount of information? Or am I like in the extra duty circle of truth? and I mean, Shannon really is just painting herself into a corner here where there's not much that she can do. And the fact that her relationship clearly was more on the rocks than she's trying to let us know, it really just makes her look kind of clownish here. But I love Heather turns on the tears. You know, she says that she wouldn't want to make it seem that way or make Shannon feel that way.

And she's sorry and moving forward and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. really the emotions are kicking into high gear. Shannon says that Heather should put this lunch on her IMDB page. And I don't disagree. And combined with Heather's response at the fall festival, when Tamara brings up the paparazzi pictures and the rumors that there's something going on with her and Terry, and Heather says this line delivery, where there's smoke, there's fire.

But you know what else there is? Arson. Not the arson. this if you could submit real housewives for acting Emmys, this would be Heather Dubrow's submission episode. Like you have to pick one episode to submit that's like your best work of the season. The crocodile tier, the arson comeback, the, you know, preferred year of Dom Perignon. Heather is firing on all cylinders this episode. And I love to see it because I don't think she always is. I think sometimes she's holding back.

But anyway, this fall festival is really funny. They're in the pumpkin patch, choosing their pumpkins to carve. And this is when Emily and Gina kind of circle in about the CPS comment that Shannon made last episode. So they're kind of dividing and conquering in the pumpkin patch. Emily asks Jen and Taylor about this comment. Gina asks Tamara. So obviously Jen is the one who brought it to Gina's attention. So she's like, yep.

it happened. Taylor says she doesn't remember. Tamara says she doesn't remember, even though we have footage of Tamara talking about it after the fact. So there's some fuckery going on here. I think Tamara's trying to be a little bit cautious to not fuck up her relationship with Shannon once again. Tamara is suggesting that Jen is twisting what happened and what Shannon said to make Shannon look bad to get Gina on her side. And it's like, okay, so Tamara doesn't want to piss off Shannon. But then she's going to, you know, ruin what she just fixed with Jen. And it's like, I don't know. I can't wait to see their reunion because I really don't know who is, you know,

going to be getting along with whom. But at the table, pumpkin carving after Shannon shows up late because she was getting a vitamin IV because she's been working 12 to 15 hours a day on what? Don't ask me. I don't know. Tamara kind of whispers about the CPS comment to Shannon. Shannon immediately flips out and she's like, Gina, why did you say I said something about CPS?

I would never say that. I would never say that. So there's, you know, all of these, all of this back and forth about Gina and Shannon and what happened and who said what. And, you know, Gina says her kids were never going to get taken away. And Shannon says, well, the cops are going to arrest you in the morning. And Emily says, that's not how a bench warrant works. Yes, L. Woods, go. But Gina says that she respects Shannon enough not to talk about her relationship and that she wishes Shannon would do the same. And Shannon is like, well, I don't talk about Travis. And Tamara's like, well, what about the time you said? had a tiny penis and suddenly, why are we talking about Travis's penis? I didn't want that. Gina certainly didn't want that. The last thing I need, and this happens a little too often on a Housewives show, is everyone going around the circle feeling like they have to make a comment about their husband's penis. Shannon's like, it's just fine.

Taylor's like a little dick measuring contest. I mean, a big one. Emily tells us that Shane has a big dick. like that's not information I ever needed to know. I mean, to Jen's credit, she's like, well, everybody saw Ryan's dick, so that's neither here nor there, but oh, God. Oh, this devolves so quickly. I don't know.

I don't know where we're going from here. I mean, really, I'm excited to get to the end of the season just to see kind of where we leave things with Shannon and John because it feels like we're sort of tiptoeing around something there. I'm interested to see kind of where Heather and Tamara leave. things because, you know, Tamara says she doesn't think the rumors about them are true, but Heather says that her saying that means that she thinks it could be true, even though it probably isn't. Heather calls the women these Schadenfreude of bitches, which I feel like that could be the

name of a band, like the Schadenfreude of bitches. Dibbs on that if I ever start a band, which I won't, but maybe I will. But anyway, so much happening on O.C., you know, as I've been recording, I'm getting messages from people about Lindsay and Carl. Somebody, somebody, somebody, but he says they have it on good authority that it's true. I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll find out next week. But anyway, thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mentioned at all is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmaqat. Editing by Horace

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