Mention It All - Did We Really Need A Jen Shah Documentary? (RHOP Reunion, Jen Shah Doc)

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

Bari and Dylan return from the holiday ready to recap all the latest Bravo news. They start with their thoughts on the Winter House finale, and what spin-offs they’d like to see in the future. Then, they break down part four of the RHOP reunion, where Nicki Minaj got all the girls together and put Candiace on the musical hot seat. After that, they get into the Jen Shah documentary, and whether it was necessary. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol.

Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. Happy Monday. Happy Cyber Monday. Happy Hanukkah for those to celebrate.

Oh, yeah. I hope you're having. a happy Hanukkah and I hope Heather Debrough is having a happy Hanukkah and Meredith Marks and, you know, all the other Jewesses that we have in our Bravo ranks. Kyle Richards, of course. Jill Zarin, you know, it's a happy Hanukkah for everyone, I hope. Yes. And the list goes on.

How was, it's so close to Thanksgiving this year. It's very early this year. Yeah, it's very early. How was your Thanksgiving? My Thanksgiving was good and quiet, but nice. You know when, you know when like there's no drama and you're like, something has to happen like soon. But so me and my family decided to start switching furniture from upstairs and downstairs like couches and stuff just to see what it looks like.

So it started off bad but ended really well and that was fun. So anyway, how- That sounds, that sounds just like a lot of physical effort. Yeah. To be like carrying furniture up and down the stairs. Yeah, my brother was like, I didn't like, I wasn't prepared to move furniture. Like I'm here to eat, relax and watch football. We're a football family, obviously.

Comfy clothes only. How is your Thanksgiving? My Thanksgiving was really nice. I went to visit my sister in Atlanta and it was just, it was just me, my sister and my brother-in-law. very chill. You know, we, we like cooked for Thanksgiving, but it was kind of nice because, you know, the more people are there, you know, when you have parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, like any of that, it just gets so much more stressful than it really needs to be. Yeah. And we were like in the kitchen, the three of us and it's like, oh, we're just like cooking a bunch of stuff. Like, there's nothing.

And it feels so weird. There's nothing like intense happening. Right. And it doesn't that, okay, I know, I feel like we talked a little bit about this last week, but doesn't it feel like when that happens, it's just different on a holiday as opposed to like what the three of you are like together and like this, like just like music and candle. Like it's just like a different like energy. It's just nice. But I'm glad that it was good. And you're traveled safely. I as safely as I could. Yeah. I was sad to not have time in Atlanta to visit OLG. I need to get there one of these days. Did you at least drive past it or no? No. I mean, my, my sister is not. like a housewives person at all. So I was like, oh, like one of the housewives has a restaurant

here. She's like, okay. I love that. There's a different like universe of people who don't like engage in what we do. If my, if my sister watched housewives, anytime I visited it, I'd be like, okay, can we drive past Chateau Chateau-Rae? But like, like, you're not going to be like, hey, can you drive me past this person's house? Just really quick. Yeah, that wasn't on the it itinerary this time. Maybe, maybe I'll make it happen next time. But we today are talking about the Jencha documentary, which came out today on Hulu, the ABC News Doc. We're going to talk about part four of the Potomac reunion featuring Nikki Minaj. I thought it was a super fun episode. First, I want to just touch on, we were off for Thanksgiving when the Winter House finale

came out. And I, you know, we're going to, we're going to just talk about. it a little bit. I don't really feel like we need to talk about it too much because I got to say Winterhouse, I think it was a fun concept. I didn't dislike it. But I don't think it was like so incredible and amazing and dramatic. I agree. It was very couples driven. And it was that's very obvious to the point where like we didn't even like get to see Gabby that much or like Jason towards the end because he was like hooking up with Lindsay. But it was very focused on the couple. and it's almost like how you feel in real life. It's like, wait, can I not come to dinner because I'm single?

Like, that's how I felt watching it. Yeah. I mean, I think it makes sense that a lot of the, a lot of the sort of plot of the show was driven by these couples trying to get together. But I do think because they had so many people in the house, and it was only six episodes and they were trying to, you know, they were really following Paige and Andrea. and Sierra and Austin

and it felt like there kind of wasn't very much extra time to kind of spend on the rest of the cast and even like Kyle and Amanda who should be kind of like main characters in a show like this, it felt like they didn't really have anything to do in terms of the main story and like on this finale episode Amanda kind of had to insert herself into what was happening

with Sierra and Austin and that sort of to me felt like a kind of like producer being like hey like maybe you should go talk to Austin about what Kyle said about Sierra which I I don't have a problem with but it's kind of like yeah like it does it does kind of I love Amanda and it kind of sucks that the only camera time she can get on this show is when she's like inserting herself in this sort of like invented couple drama right I agree and it's um I, maybe his delivery was wrong, but in that scenario, it was kind of Team Austin because it like, I agree. Came out of Lachiel, it made him look bad.

He was handling it the way he needed to and it blew up for no reason. But there is something I wanted to mention. So our interview with Andrea, if you haven't listened to it, listen, it was great. He kept alluding to the fact that something was going to happen and we're going to see it and he couldn't talk. But like, nothing did. And I was like, huh. Like, did he just mean the fact that he ultimately started being more into page? Like, why happened?

Like, he's like, actually, I don't want to text to the other girls now. It's like, okay, that's not really like a big development. You'll see. I've changed my mind. It's okay. You know, they were going to go to their nice Italian dinner. And then the next night they were going to have a movie night. And Paige's mom was going to make him veal and peppers, which sounds delicious.

But yeah, it is, I also feel like with some of these couple scenarios, it's hard to really feel invested in it knowing that like Lindsay and Jason are not together currently. We know that Paige and Andrea obviously are not together because she's with Craig. I don't think Sierra and Austin are like still a thing. So none of the couples that they're sort of trying to, you know, obviously the footage is the footage that they have, they have to work with and the couples that they're sort of presenting as the ones that are kind of leaving together aren't like couples that are lasting. It's kind of like on Bachelor. If you're watching the show and you know that people already broke up in real life, it's like, okay, I don't really, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get too

invested in this because I know that everybody's kind of going their own way at the end of the day. Right. Like we're on our own, in real time timeline. But, oh, way. Go your own way. And that'll do it. No, okay. That'll do don't care. I wonder what, you know, Bravo always leaves us wondering.

So like, what's going to happen is there going to be, are they going to do like a different show? Like, because now Winterhouse, we're going to have to wait for next year, literally. Right. And obviously, we have Summer House. that's going to be coming out, you know, in the next few months. They're filming Southern Charm right now. Page has been in Charleston quite a bit. It seems like filming with the Southern Charm cast.

So it almost feels like not to get too like nerdy with this, but in like the Marvel universe, now that they've introduced like the shows on Disney Plus, it's almost like sometimes a show will be kind of like a bridge between multiple different movies or something. and it almost feels like we have Winterhouse kind of like building a bridge between Southern Charm and Summerhouse and now like Paige can go do her crossover movie. I mean, it's obviously not a movie. But, you know, like I don't know if it will really make sense to do a second season of Winter House.

But I do like the concept of them kind of trying out new things, new formats. You know, it doesn't have to be some show that's going to be a smash hit and run for 10 seasons to be worth doing. It could be fun if they almost did like an MTV challenge and they did that for Bravo shows instead of like a winter house. I think it would be fun. And especially I think with with them creating like Bravo content for Peacock, I feel like there are, you know, something like that could happen because I think they're going to have. like the budget to spend and the desire to come up with content, but I don't know. I almost feel like something like that would be, at least they would have like an objective to focus on versus like just go in the house and try to have drama.

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Got engaged this weekend. I know. I'm happy for her. Me too. They're a really cute couple. Kyle's first, first born, first and first child engaged. We hope to get an invite. Thank you so much. I'll be curious to see. I guess, I mean, they're filming right now. So obviously she's not going to like get married on this season of Beverly Hills. but Farah's never been super around on the show. So I'll be curious to see whether they sort of involve her wedding in Beverly Hills. Because I feel like she might not really want to. But we'll see.

I would honestly love if she made a cameo on like selling sunset, even though I know she wouldn't because it's a different group. But still, you know. There's always been talk of like an agency type of spin-off and potentially them doing one in London. I've heard through the grapevine. Yeah. So, I don't know. I mean, there might be reality TV and Farah's future,

but I don't think she's like, I don't think she's going to have like a Pandora wedding storyline on Beverly Hills. No. That doesn't seem likely. Farrowean wedding. Pandora also had her baby. I don't remember when that happened and if we talked about it. But that's exciting.

Lisa's a nanny pinky. That was very, it wasn't like private, but it wasn't like promoted. I feel. Yeah. Well, I feel like because when when Lisa was on Housewives, Pandora was on the show a fair amount. But now that it's just Vanderpump rules, Pandora's really like out of the spotlight in that sense. But yeah, that's exciting. And it seems like she has a happy, healthy baby with Jason.

But let's talk about this Potomac reunion. Part four. We knew it was going to be the Nikki takeover. and I would say it was like, I, like when they first said that this was happening, I was like, okay, this could be really fun or it could be stupid or it could be lame. And I feel like it was really, really fun. Like it definitely lived up to like the top tier of my expectations.

And I thought she brought a really refreshing energy. And I loved how the women kind of all played along with what she was bringing. I agree. And I love how Andy was just on the side. watching and smiling and being like, yes. And like she was really taking it seriously. She was like reading the cards. She was adding her own thing.

But like even while the women were discussing their own, um, answers, I guess, or convos, she was listening, but like reading the cards at the same time. And she was like, yes, ma'am. Like, I loved that. Yeah. She, she really came. She came prepared. And you could tell that, and she said on Twitter that all but two of her questions were like

questions that she had written. like come up with herself that she wanted to know. And I loved that she wrote on Twitter which two questions were not hers that she got from the producers because it was the two messiest questions. It was asking about Eddie following the booty models. And then the other one was about, which one was it? It was like something with Ashley. I have it in my camera roll. Where is it? Oh, the other one was, um, if the question about if Jazeel and Robin had ever hooked up and if they shared a bed in the hotel room, which was, that was out of left field.

And it's like, because she made it like the way they presented it, she was like, all of these people are talking on Twitter about if you two are lovers. And I'm like, I don't actually think people are like, I don't think anybody really thinks that Jiselle and Robin are like sleeping together in that way. And so it was kind of funny. And I'm, a little surprised to hear that the producers were the ones who were like, Nikki asked this because it's kind of like, okay, why? That has never even been a question or thought in anyone's mind that I've ever heard. Like, it was very weird. They're good girlfriends. And she was like, did you sleep in the same bed? And they were like, they looked at each other.

They go, yeah. Like, nothing weird about it. Two platonic friends like that sleeping in the same bed is, really not that questionable. I don't, I mean, whatever. There's way more questionable things going on on that show than Robin and Jezell being friends. I did like, when Nikki was like, so for $50 billion, would you, like, would you

sleep together and then like, I mean, yeah, like, I'd sleep with literally anyone for $50 billion. Like, Candice and Ashley would sleep together. Like, literally name a person on this stage for $50 billion, I'll make it happen. Like, come on. Okay, but then she also asked another question regarding money as if like the women dating older men and a few of them are all dating older men, which is completely normal. But she was asking if you had a hundred million, which I think was also an absurd amount to be the example because like, no, I feel like if you had a hundred million dollars, you wouldn't necessarily be dating who you're dating. Right. But Ashley's answer was like I'm attracted to Michael.

Nikki was like attracted to what? like what specifically are you attracted to don't lie but then she was so straight with mea too because she was like but you wouldn't be in the club if you had a hundred million dollars i was like when you're making all these hypothetical situations oh my god i'm so confused well i did like that i did like that ashley kind of was realistic about that and she was like well i was bartending so i probably wouldn't have been in the position to meet him right if i had that money but like i wasn't only the money, the reason that she was attracted to him. I mean, yeah, that's a question where it's like, first of all, it's messy for

messy's sake. Like, it's a total hypothetical. Obviously, these women have had, you know, their lives are whole journeys. You know, Karen and I have been together for 25 years. It's not like she just picked up a rich man yesterday and is like, if I was rich, I wouldn't, it's like, they have kids together. It's a whole thing. But, yeah, I mean, it's, you're all.

also just never going to get a fully, you know, people aren't going to answer that question in a way that's going to, like, blow their life up on this reunion. Right. But it's, you know, it's funny that you said that she, the two, those obviously were the two messiest, but she did ask, like, messy questions herself. Like, she was like, Robin, you seem to be getting more sex from Juan this season. And it's like, wait, what? Like, they're married.

That makes sense. She said that about Ray and. Are you doing anything differently? About Robin. It was funny, though, because during the season, Juan specifically was saying how some, like, Robbins, you know, struggling with motivation and stuff was unattractive. So that wasn't necessarily, like, I didn't necessarily get that vibe from Robin and Juan this season,

but I'm glad to hear, like, from what Robin said at the reunion, it does sound like they're in a good place, which makes me happy. I'm always rooting for Robin and Juan. And same with Ray and Karen. It seems like they are doing very well. And whatever, with them, it is a little bit more of an obvious difference because last season it was such a thing of he wouldn't say, I love you to her. He seemed very sort of disinterested in what they had going on.

And this season, I mean, whatever they're doing to work on their relationship seems like it's working because Ray seems like very checked into that relationship. For sure. And why did I get the vibe that Nikki? Ray and Karen are like best friends and like going to continue this relationship after the reunion. You can totally tell. I think Nikki, she definitely is such a huge fan of the show. And I think she enjoys and loves all the women in that sense of being a real fan of the show. But you can tell that Karen is her favorite. Oh yeah. And Giselle was even like, I'll DM you, like trying to make

conversation and Nikki was like, okay, she said Candy Girl again. And I was like, that's my favorite thing ever. Like, she's like, whoa, Candy Girl. She really was, throughout the time she was on stage, I think Candice kind of, I was sort of impressed with Candice. I felt like she was really sticking up for, you know, trying to clarify a lot of things. And Nikki was having none of it. Every school time she was like, she's like, Candy, Candy, Candy, Piped down.

We'll get to you, you know. Do you know how intimidating that is? Yeah, no, and Nikki tweeted she was like, she was like, Candy Girl, Candy Girl's man needs to sit his ass down. And I, I don't, I thought it was a little weird when Chris was getting so upset at the end because I think Nikki was being hard on Candice. But at the end of the day, I think she was, she wanted to be, to get real with her, but she also was being supportive. You know, like she was giving her. her a chance. She also was talking a lot about her music, which is the thing that she wants to be promoting and making a career out of. And, you know, Nikki saying that the song is a bop and that

it was better than she thought it was going to be like, all of that stuff is, I think, going to help her in the long run, you know. Absolutely. And them asking how many downloads, like, Candace was obviously flustered. Like Nikki Minaj face to face is asking you these questions. So Mia to be like, why don't you know these numbers? I don't know a number. off the top of my head for every single thing of my job. Like I know a lot of them, but specifics, you also want to get the numbers right. And she was like, I love how,

Nikki was like, if I had a record label, which I do, what would people like be looking for? And she was like, my vocal ability. And so Nikki's response right away, she's like, your vocal ability. And Candace is like, what else do you want me to say? Like, yes, that's like what my talent is. But she did really good singing.

Like, and Andy, coming over to her. That was like comforting, I feel, for him to be like, you killed that. Totally. I think Nikki was being hard on her in a way that felt like it had a purpose. And then what Mia was adding to it was kind of like, you're just being mean right now to be mean. And it's not necessary. And, you know, she clearly, okay, the thing is like what Nikki Minaj's opinion of like selling a lot of copies is obviously going to be skewed because she's, you know, like a platinum, whatever artist. But I would say Candice probably has like one of the most legit music careers of any housewife now

because it's clear that she really is going for it in a legit way versus just like putting out a single because you're on a TV show. And so I think, you know, at the end of the day, Nikki respects that. And for me it to be like, I thought it was going to be a negative too. No, low budget. She's like, I'll download it now. Right. Like if it was just, you know, if it was Ashley recording coffee and love and acting like it was some.

I know. But like if she was acting like it was some, you know, going to be a Grammy winning song and somebody else is being shady, that would feel more understandable because it's like a housewife storyline. Whereas this, it's like, no, Candace is doing this for real and you're being unsupportive in a way that just feels like haterish. Right. Were you dying when she was like, can I get a snap? And they all started just snapping to the beat. And Nikki was like, okay. I thought it was great. Drive back. Drive back. It's a good song. I have listened to Drive back many a time. I got to say, I enjoy it. She's like, I do's auto tune for quite a few of my songs. Yes, I do. I was like, I love auto tune. Yeah. I mean, auto tune in and of itself is not like a bad thing. It's just like, obviously. Obviously, if Candace is saying her vocal ability is, you know, her shining star.

She uses it in a creative way, creatively. I also, I also was crying at the whole thing about Michael when, you know, Robin was saying she didn't feel uncomfortable with Juan hanging out with Michael because he would never let him suck his dick and this whole thing. And Nikki fully acting like Ashley isn't right there and talking about Michael as if he's like an out gay man. She goes, wait, I should not say that. She's like, I should not say that.

I'm making it seem like her husband's gay. She was like, so does want to have other gay friends? And Ashley's like, Michael's not gay. As much as Michael is like a shitty person and a nightmare to watch on this show, it's like, Nikki, you can't like, it's not the same thing. Like, just because he like maybe has made some comments or like grabbed an ass, like, you can't talk about him as if he's like me. She was aware.

She was like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She was like, never mind. Never mind. Never mind. Never mind. I was taking my host gig way too far. So funny.

Oh my God. Yeah. No, I thought this was a really nice compliment to the reunion that we watch. Because I felt like the reunion, you know, there were certain things that I was like, okay. Yeah. This is going on a little too long or like, you know, reunions are just hard. It's like not everything is that exciting. to rehash.

And I thought that Nikki's energy really was super exciting. And I think it would be fun to see more playing around with reunion formats in the future. Obviously, I don't think they should try and have like a celebrity takeover at every reunion. It really has to be a good fit like this was. Yeah. But I mean, we know there are a lot of celebs that love their Bravo. So I would not be mad about this because. coming something that is used every once in a while.

Not at all. Sarah Galley, friend of the pod, posted something really funny yesterday, like for Hanukkah, like a menorah with like Andy's face for the first candle. And she was like, oh, Hanukkah, like turning it into like a Bravo joke. And she was like a reunion that last, like a reunion that only should be one part, but lasts for eight because it's so true. Oh my God. I was like, how did you think of that?

No, but it's so true. Like that's why I liked that this was like. like a, almost like a bonus episode, but it honestly gave us more information than a regular one. And they literally said, like, you know, Nikki did the voiceover at the beginning, like coming up on my takeover. Like, I like, I thought that was fun. I thought it was a great end to the season. I would rather have had this than like a secrets revealed episode. True. But yeah. And then it was, it was followed by the premiere of Portia's new spin-off, which I think we're going to talk about tomorrow. Ready to soundtrack your summer?

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Your next obsession is waiting. Watch only on Prime. We wanted to make sure we got to this Jen Shaw documentary. The Housewife and the Shaw Shocker. I should be complete with what the title is, which I still, the Shaw Shocker is like, it's a real mouthful. Yeah, they could have maybe had someone think of something else. But, okay, my initial thought was that this was not necessary to have on Hulu, if I'm going to be honest. It definitely feels, I would say that they saw how much people were into the Erica one and were very much, like,

like, oh, great, we can do another one that's basically the same thing, but about this person. And I don't think this one really had the same pop off as the Erica one did. The Erica one felt a lot more juicy in a way. And I think with the Jen Shaw thing, I feel like most of us at this point know the general idea of what she was doing and the kind of the kind of basic rundown of, of, okay, indicted on this stuff, telemarketing fraud, blah, blah, blah, selling lead lists. You know, we've all seen the show. I'm sure we've all read stuff about it.

And this one, I think, aside from hearing from victims of similar schemes, there were no victims of specifically Jen Shah, which, you know, I kind of wish there were, but maybe they're not really, like, allowed to talk yet. Right. Yeah, the actual information about the case itself didn't feel like it was anything new. Yeah, and I feel like one of the differences being that Erica, like, is rich. And so then everyone was like, wait, what's her involvement? What happened here?

And as opposed to Jen Shaw, we knew from the beginning something was up because we're like, what the hell is going on. And that's kind of like what was going on in the documentary. From the get-go, everyone was like, where are she getting this money from? I'm like, and the second you're on this TV show or any TV show, they're like, your secrets are getting revealed. The feds now are making notes and documenting everything you're saying. And they kind of, I agree with you, or no new information, but the most interesting part was that they were basically going through and kind of telling us all the things she did wrong, being on podcast, doing interviews, her Instagram. Like she's still doing all of this stuff.

And they were like, you got to like not do it. And talking about how she spends $50,000 a month. And it's like, okay, well, Coach Shaw's salary is public information. So all you have to, so then you have to, if you subtract his salary, you're still left with like hundreds of thousands of dollars a year that you're spending. I, yeah, I think with Erica, it's a little more like she hasn't been charged with anything. And so there's a lot of question marks surrounding her involvement and what she knew and how she could potentially be liable. and sort of what the overall impact is going to be. Whereas this situation, it's pretty cut and dry.

I mean, Jen has been charged with this stuff. She's going to trial in February. And if she's convicted of this stuff, she will most likely go to prison. And so I think it's a little bit more, the case is more serious than with Erica, but it's less kind of, it's less intriguing to unpack because it's like,

okay, here's what she most allegedly probably did. And there's not a lot of question marks. You know, the only question mark is, is she going to get convicted? And obviously, we don't know that yet. And nobody knows that yet because it hasn't happened. But I also, I was glad that we got to hear from COA, the designer, who has been kind of a little absent storyline on the show because of that leaked video of her screaming at him. I love even after that happened, like she, and they played it again in the, in the dock where she was like, it's not what it looked like. And it was like, no, there's no other way of it looking like anything than you screaming and like throwing things at people.

Like it was on film. But I love how he was like, we don't know who filmed it. I was like, no, you guys all probably do know who filmed it. Like it was, he's like, you know, our interns were there, our friends, other assistants, people like that. I'm like, okay, so then if there really were like 20 people in this room and she's screaming like that, that's a whole other issue because truly, yeah, I mean, the exact circumstances surrounding what she was yelling about, who was in the room, all of that, who knows, but honestly, who cares?

It's never appropriate to scream at someone and throw stuff like that. Even if there's, even if there's a misunderstanding over like the exact context, you still screamed and said you were going to like, you know, threatened to hurt someone. Like, it's not, it's not like, oh, that was a joke. It's like, okay. Yeah. The scream was coming from the lungs. It was not, it wasn't a playful thing. But you want to know besides, why was Dana Wilkie like the freaking host of this thing? Yeah. Dana Wilkie has carved out a really interesting niche for herself where she has this podcast and, you know, social media and stuff where she has really been pretty committed to digging up dirt about people.

And I think it's almost like, it's a lot. It's almost like she's not really, at this point, she's no different than a lot of other, you know, Bravo, you know, social media podcast type of people who really are like digging up dirt and tea and, you know, all of this stuff, except for because she was on housewives, you know, six, years ago, she has this, like, quote, unquote, credibility of, like, former housewives star Dana Wilkie commented on this. And it's like, at this point, like, she's just some lady with, with Google. Right. Did you know, 25,000? Like, she was, she's just trying to, I know this sounds

me, but it's a way to stay relevant just because, like, she does have a podcast. Like, she does have a podcast. Whatever. That's fine. But, like, this was very, like, the random people who were in the Erica documentary. And everyone was, like, what are you doing? Why are you? Right. And the thing is, it's like, I don't have a problem with anyone trying to stay relevant. Like, I mean, if you want to book me for the next Hulu documentary, I'm available, they used one of our tweets. They used one of our tweets, hey. But, um, that was very cool.

It's just funny that it's specifically Dana, who we met on the show as this like rich housewife of Beverly Hills. And now it's clear that she doesn't really have anything going on. So this is like, this is her way to have something going on. And it's like, oh, so I guess the diamond sunglasses are not in the picture anymore. And the diamond lollip holder. Remember the diamond lollipop holder? Oh, my God. How could I forget?

Never. My favorite is like the next season when she's like having a conversation with Taylor and she's trying to light her cigarette with a candle. Okay. Here's my other thing, though. Dana. The dress she wore for this documentary was. Not good. It was not good.

That's all I have to say. It was like, it was not good. It could have, she could have worn anything else. Her confess, she hasn't had to do a confessional look in a while. She looks great, though, I have to say. She looks amazing. Dress, no Buena. I also, it was also kind of funny to have Jen's aunt there as like the other side,

like the whole time just being like, I could never believe that Jen would be anything. but perfect. And so, you know, to me, she's innocent. And it's like, okay, thank you, Auntie, for your contribution. But it sounds like you don't really know about anything that's going on here. And she was like, and if she's guilty, which I hope she's not. I was like, wait, hold on. Like you, I thought you were here to like, to actually defend her. But. Yeah. So I mean, hopefully we all have at least one aunt who would go on a documentary and say that we're innocent. if we ever, if we ever do something like this. Or any family member, yes.

Yeah, no, I'm making a contact list for anyone making a documentary about me in the future of people who will say nice things no matter what I've done. If I ever get into some trouble, I've got, you know, call up my Aunt Kathy and I'm sure she will say really nice things about me. And please, you know, include that throughout the documentary that you're making about me. But in real time, now we're like up to space. speed on this. We will see what happens in... I know. I think that takes a lot longer, though. So maybe not in February, but around the time. I know. I keep wondering, I'm like, okay, I think this trial is

going to be in New York. Like, should I try and go? Because, you know, they're open to the public. Content. Content. But it's not, but it's not just going to be like one day. It's going to be, you know, at least a couple weeks probably. And I'll have to see if, like, can I just... See if you can get on jury, Tudy, Dylan. I, oh my God, I talked to someone about this. Like, what if I, like, worked my way into Jerry Duty, pretended not to know anything? And was like, housewives, like, desperate housewives? No, I don't know anything about Jennifer, Shea.

Right, because they might not look you up beforehand and see that you have some sort of connection. Yeah, like, just a little one. Have you ever hosted a podcast about the defendant? Nope. That would be, that sounds like fraud. The what? The what? No, I don't get Bravo.

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