Mention It All - Do I Have High Body Count Hair?

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

It’s a new week, and Dylan is back from more Bravo travels—this time to Las Vegas for the opening of Lisa Vanderpump’s latest restaurant. He breaks down his experience at Pinky’s, and makes his recommendations for planning your own Vegas Vanderpump Crawl. Then, he catches up on all the relevant Housewives franchises (sorry, New York), in particular the instantly iconic RHOSLC episode at Meredith’s bat mitzvah. He also weighs in on a viral theory about Dorit and PK’s divorce, and whether Ashley Darby’s on-screen dating is going anywhere. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. I am so glad to be back. Back from a whirlwind trip to Las Vegas, Nevada for the Vanderpump World Tour, or at least the Van der Pumpt Tour of Nevada Cesar's locations. It continued over the weekend. and I got to attend the opening of Pinkies by Vanderpump at the Flamingo Las Vegas. So I'm going to talk a little bit about that.

Definitely a wild weekend, but a lot of fun and the place looks great. So I'm excited to share a little bit more. But first up top, I want to just let you all know. Last week I talked about our betch of the year content, which is very exciting. And we have the second phase of it rolling out today. We have announced our winners for all of our betch of the year categories. You know, again, it's not only a Bravo. thing. So, you know, it's for all of your, like, things that happened online this year. And our

batch of the year for 2024, I'm very excited to share is the one and only Risa Tisa. She was just, she embodied everything about being online this year. I mean, her kind of whirlwind rise to the top, you know, she's getting an HBO show about her. Lots going on, but go to betches.com slash BOTY to check out all of the batch of the year winners, all of the bests of the year winners, all of our extra content, the roundtable I hosted. We made some really fun videos with each of our batch of the year nominees that came in town for our shoot. Just everything looks so great. And it was really a team effort. So I'm excited that everybody is is really enjoying it. There was a video that went up over the weekend that I can't really take credit for. But I just want to shout out

because I thought it was so hilarious. They did a sketch with Anne Maddox from Vanderpump Rules of if Anne was in your friend group. And it's her being like the assistant at our photo shoot all day. And there's this like back and forth of her, you know, basically being the middleman like she was between Tom and Ariana. And it's got it. It came out so well. And I didn't even write that video. I didn't, I wasn't the one that shot it. So I feel like I can brag on it a little bit because it's, it's not, it doesn't have anything to do with me. But I'm, I'm just glad it all came together so well. So betches.com slash BOTY for all of the great betcha of the year content. We're going to talk today about kind of all the housewives shows right now, except, except New York

sweetie, I'm so sorry. That's not happening today. But a little bit of Potomac catching up from last week on Beverly Hills and Salt Lake City because I did not get a chance to recap those shows last week. And they're kind of firing on all cylinders right now. So I'm excited to get into those. We also, we have some interesting little rumor mill about Beverly Hills and Doreet and Piquet. So I'm interested to talk about that. But first, this trip to Vegas, you guys, so if you recall, Earlier this year in April, I got to go to Lake Tahoe with Caesar's Entertainment for the opening of Wolf by Vanderpump at Harvey's in Lake Tahoe, which was amazing. I want to go back to Lake Tahoe so bad. It's so beautiful.

And Wolf was really great. But this time, I got to go to Las Vegas with Caesar's Entertainment for the opening of Pinkies. And look, am I the world's biggest Vegas person? No. It's a very strange place. And it's strange in some amazing ways, but also strange in some ways that just like aren't suitable for human life. You know, like I would say that right now I feel dehydrated.

I feel exhausted. I feel like I need to not have any more cocktails that come with cotton candy, probably for the rest of my life. But I think I had cotton candy four times while I was in Vegas, which is just, that's more times than I've had cotton candy since I was like nine years. old. I don't know, but we were staying at the Paris, which is fun because obviously

we were there for the opening of Pinkies, but Lisa Vanderpump famously, of course, also has a great cocktail spot at the Paris. So I ended up at Vanderpump-A-Pri not once, not twice, but three times, three days in a row while I was in Las Vegas,

which I would recommend going to Paris for some cocktails. I don't know if I would recommend going to Vanderpump-op-a-ri three days in a row. But certainly a time was had. And they are just so particular with all the cocktails, all of the presentation and creation is so LVP. And I had been to Vanderpump-a-Pri, it's a mouthful, but it's beautiful. I had been there last year when I was in town for BravoCon, but I feel like this time I got more of the full experience. So the first night we were there. We went to dinner at Nobu, which is also in the Paris, basically across

the little hall from the Vanderpump spot. So we had had a lovely dinner at Nobu with already some drinks consumed. And then we went to for after dinner drinks at Vanderpump Aparri, and we started with the Eiffel Tower shot presentation. So it's like, it's like a two foot tall Eiffel Tower with like a dozen different shot holders. And we went from there. I had, you know, like some big goblet-looking cocktail. But the drinks at Paris are crazy because there's like, there's one that is like a birthday drink that comes with a macaron as a garnish.

And it is served to you on a tray with a tiara. And then there's a cotton candy one. There's like something that is delivered to you in like a glass thing with smoke coming out of it. This I noticed when I was at Wolfenthal. Tahoe too. Like, they really are going above and beyond specifically on the cocktails. And so I knew that when we got to Pinkies, it was going to be no different. And Pinkies kind of blew me away. Just the visual of it, obviously Lisa Vanderpump and Nicolane are on their, on their hot streak of designing these Caesar's properties together. And this one, I was kind of expecting because it's, it's called

Pinkies. It's at the Flamingo, which is an iconic, like, Vegas spot. I hadn't been there before. before, I was expecting it to be like very over the top and specifically very pink. Like I just thought it was going to be kind of like a Vegas pink explosion. And it is over the top, but not in the way that I was expecting because it really is like, it's like elegant and sophisticated. And there's like an art deco kind of vibe to it. And there's a lot of sort of like a blush pink kind of color, but not really the hot pink that I was expecting.

And it's like this blush and green color combination and like some some kind of like copper tones. And, you know, the art deco really, it really comes out. But you know what it's giving? And I said this. I heard others say this. This was kind of the theme of the weekend. It's giving Emerald City. It's giving Lisa Vanderpump designed the OzDust ballroom with Nicolane.

and there are flamingo statues on the bar. There's a giant framed painting of Lisa Vanderpump and one of her dogs. Maybe it's jiggy in heaven. Maybe it's Harrison. I don't really know. Riding a flamingo. Lisa Vanderpump riding a goddamn flamingo. I have a photo of it.

I'll share. But, like, truly a fever dream. A fever dream. Lisa Vanderpump riding a flamingo. There's also, I love at the entrance, and I noticed this at Wolf 2, they have like a bunch of Vanderpump merch that I don't know if it's actually for sale, but they have like a blinged out hoodie that just says too many pump tini's. And like, I would like somebody to send that to me. If that exists not in a glass case, I feel like I need one. Because I do feel like I had too many pump tini's this weekend.

And I didn't have the literal pomptini. You know, that's like a, that's like a WeHo classic. But there were a lot of different drinks. And just like we did at Wolf in Tahoe, there was an opening night party and then we got to go to a media brunch the next day. So I got to try a lot of different things on the menu. They have goat cheese balls. They do a little bit of like a different preparation of the goat cheese balls at each of her restaurants, which I really appreciate. This one had some sort of like a like a hot honey with some.

like sweet sort of sauce. So that was really delicious. There is a great pull-aparte bread that was similar to the one they had at Wolf, which I was happy to have again. There was a like little charcutory cheese type of thing that came in a cage, which of course it did. We tried a lot of different stuff. They have like a deviled egg flight presentation.

They have a crispy rice flight kind of thing. They have this really delicious dessert that's like a brownie, Taramazoo that just like melts in your mouth. But yeah, we ate a lot. They have, oh, pigs in a blanket that are delicious. Like the food's really good. The cocktails, of course, are giving classic Lisa Vanderpump. Like there's a sin and tonic, I think, was the first thing that I drank.

There's something with cotton candy. I don't know. But it was just a lot of fun. Interestingly enough, Tom Schwartz was at the opening night party. I don't know kind of how he's doing right now. I didn't get a chance to talk to him. But it's always interesting to see sort of like who shows up to this kind of thing. Because of course, it's in Vegas.

It's not in L.A. People probably have to travel. But Tom Schwartz was there, you know, old faithful Peter Madrigal was there too. His hair is very long right now. It wasn't in a ponytail or anything. And Peter Madrigal, with his hair like unleashed, it's kind of giving like the prince in Beauty and the Beast. but maybe

maybe like he hasn't fully changed back into the prince yet it's like a 70-30 like he's still 30% beast but like mostly the prince does that make sense Peter we love you no shade I promise but yeah it was great

I mean Lisa looked great all weekend she is somebody who just like she always looks just right at the brunch she was wearing this like velvet suit as as she does with like a silk, I think, is that a cravat? Like the little silk scarf thing that's like puffed out of her shirt. She just looks so put together.

The dress she was wearing at the opening was like beautiful. But it was a great trip. I was saying there was a rodeo in town over the weekend. So it was funny because we were on our like Vanderpump vibes. And then there was just like a million people in cowboy hats and bootcut jeans walking around everywhere. And I kind of feel like we could do a Vanderpump cowboy restaurant. restaurant next. Like, Vanderpumpah Yellowstone,

Vanderpumpa, Texas. I don't know what is next in the Vanderpump canon. But, like, assuming that she continues to work with Caesars, there's a lot of opportunity. I'm waiting for there to be one in Atlantic City so I could, like, go down for the weekend. But I don't know. Nicolane, also, I got to meet Nicolane and I got a picture with him. And he was, we were like, we were like fan girling over Nicolane. And I think he was, He didn't quite know what to do with that energy. Like, Nicolaine is somebody who's like, I just want to, like, go into a quiet room and design more, like, freaky chandeliers. Like, I don't really want to be a celebrity.

But he has done a great job. You know, he and Lisa, it is a very specific, unique combination, but somehow they have, they have harnessed something that just works. Now, the thing that I think is really fun is now that Lisa has three different Vegas. spots with Caesars. There's also the Vanderpump cocktail garden at Caesar's Palace, which I didn't get to go to this time. You could really go to Vegas and do like a full Vanderpump crawl. And I'm sure that people will do this. I would definitely recommend, I think Pinkies might be the one that I would recommend doing a meal at the most. And I think they're going to be doing brunch on the weekends, which sounds like it would be fun. But like you could make a day of it and go to

all of these spots and try these $25 cocktails and really, really just have a great time. But yeah, thank you to Caesar's Entertainment for having me over the weekend. And let me know if you are planning to go to Pinkies and I'll let you know what's good. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame and Free People. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free.

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Visit Red Bull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. Let's talk about Housewives, the real reason that we're here. And there is so much Housewives happening right now that I knew, you know, last week I got to talk about the Southern Charm finale, which I was able to record before I was traveling. But I was like, I can't just let these episodes of Beverly Hills and Salt Lake City pass me by without commenting on them because there is so much to love.

And this episode of Salt Lake City, for the second time this season, they have given us a whole episode that takes place at and around a single event. And I talked about this when the season first premiered that at Lisa's Bezos party, I thought it was kind of ingenious the way they structured that, where the entire episode took place at this one party and we were getting sort of flashbacks and little inserts and things like that to give things context, but really just like soaking in that one event where everybody was there, everybody was, you know, really contributing to the, to the conversation. And this episode was no different because when I heard earlier the season that Meredith

Marks was in the process of getting bat mitzvahed, I was like, okay, like, good for her. That's a personal journey. You know, who knows how long it'll take, you know, sometimes these things, I don't, I don't know all the details of what it takes to get bat mitzvahed. But it's like, okay, if she's bringing it up now, like, it might happen in a year, and then maybe they'll film it for the show, maybe we'll get a little scene, it'll be nice, whatever. I didn't realize that we were going to be getting Meredith's bat mitzvah halfway through this season. And on top of that, that they would be able to construct a whole riveting episode

out of the events of Meredith Marx's bat mitzvah because it just, this was, wouldn't work if you didn't have a cast that was so locked in. And all of these women, all of these women, even Mary Cosby, Mary Cosby showing up late after Meredith has already done her Torah portion, and she's, you know, peeking in through all of these windows and doors to try and figure out where the entrance is. My God, you couldn't, you couldn't script that. It would, firing on all cylinders, it's, it just is,

there's a lot going on in the best way. And I think that as I was watching this week's episode of Potomac, I almost feel like with Potomac right now, there's not that much going on, but there are kind of like too many people that we have to check in on. Like halfway through the episode, I was just kind of like, okay, so we had we had Jiselle talking to the twins, and then we had T.J. and Stacey. And then we had Wendy and her mom. And then we had Karen and Ray. And then we have Kearna and Mia. And it's like, damn, we're 30 minutes into this episode. And I feel like we're just now. getting around to we're like finishing up our check-ins and nothing has really like happened. Whereas on Salt Lake City, it feels like everybody is really in the mix in a way that makes things like, it feels so tightly wound that it's like we're not, we're not going a whole episode without hearing from Heather or without hearing from Whitney. It's like everything is really like so intertwined.

And I think that kind of makes sense at the end of the episode when Lisa is talking about this trip to Mexico that she's planning, that she's like, this trip to Mexico is going to be amazing. Except right now, everybody in the group hates somebody else. It's like, you know, Angie hates Britney, and Mary hates Britney, and I hate Whitney. And it's like, okay, this is a mess, but like in the exact way we need it to be a mess, you know? Because there's messy that just feels chaotic and, like, annoying. And then there's messy that feels, like, perfectly tuned.

And watching the Bat Mitzvah party unfold when it's like Mary shows up late. And she and Meredith need to talk. And Meredith's like, yeah, not now. You're at my bat mitzvah. And then, you know, Brittany and Bronwyn both have issues, bones to pick with Angie. and it's, it really like, it comes together in such a great way. And I had seen, I had seen people talking about this episode before I had watched it. And the, the high body count hair of it all.

The whole, this is tricky because it's like, I don't love slot shaming. Actually, I really, I really dislike slut shaming. And I think that slut shaming is something that we should all strive to avoid. But you know what I do like is comedy. and for all of Angie Kay's flaws and for all of the mixed feelings or negative feelings that I have about trying to drag Brittany for having hair that looks, quote, a little pornish, or having high body count hair or a high body count dress or high body count shoes. I don't think that's nice, but I do think it's funny.

And I think that watching Housewives, we can hold things at an arm's length and say, would I say this? Would I agree with someone saying this? No, never. But am I glad that Angie said it in that moment to give us this moment to watch? Yeah, I think I am. I think I'm okay with that. And watching the whole group kind of contend with the idea of, is that high body count hair? Does her hair look a little pornish?

You know, is that really, is the look, is the bumpet hair really giving what she thinks it's giving? Lisa doesn't have high body count hair. Bronwyn doesn't have high body count hair. It just is so ridiculous. And I, it's one of those things where it's like, how mad can you be when something is this ridiculous? And maybe the answer is really mad. Like maybe I'm, maybe other people are really livid over this. I just think it's like, you got to laugh.

You got to laugh. Of course, this stems from the sort of the fallout of Mary Cosby's breakfast at Mary's brunch, where Angie is saying that basically Brittany is not a good Mormon because she's drinking and she has three guys that she's doing or banging or whatever. And then in Britney's head, she has turned this into ten guys. and she has turned it into Angie just straight up calling her a slut, which, you know, maybe she was a little slut, shamy, but she, I don't think she actually used the word slut. Words are important. I don't know.

Also, she didn't say 10 guys. She said 3, which, you know, I guess it makes a difference. Three is a crowd, 10s an orgy. I don't know. But Brittany makes the faux pa, I think, of turning this back around. and when Angie's not there, she's like, well, you know, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if she's so because that's what she and Sean are doing. It's probably because she's doing three guys, 10 guys, 50 guys.

I don't know. Half of New York. And like, I get. I get the instinct to be like, well, she said something about me. I'm going to say something about her. But I think that we've seen Brittany this season really struggle with kind of the precise. or lack thereof of her words and how that can come back around to bite her. And, you know, from the very first episode when she called Mary Cosby poor and Mary Cosby's like,

no, I never said I was poor. Like, Brittany doesn't seem to be learning her lesson at all. And so then later in the episode, when Bronwyn lets it slip that, oh, by the way, she might have said that you, she might have said that you are cheating on Sean. First of all, I love that Bronwyn kind of in that moment chose to be neutral because she was like, look, Angie and I may have just been yelling at each other, but I also don't really like Brittany. So I'm going to drop a little bomb and just walk away and just let this fizzle a little bit. And so when Angie gets the piece of information that Brittany has been saying she's a slut and she's cheating on her husband, Angie Kate. is going to see red.

She's going to go into high body count hair mode. And there's like, there's nothing you can do about it. And so I think that this was like kind of played perfectly because it really felt like something that bubbled over and burst out right at the right moment and right toward the end of the episode. And then Meredith, of course, has to kick people out of her bat mitzvah because is it a Meredith Mark's event if she's not asking somebody to leave? I don't think it is at this point.

And I do want to just like hold space a little bit for her bat mitzvah and how, you know, great it was to see that on the show. I thought they gave sort of an appropriate amount of gravity to that moment in her life and in her faith and her family and culture and all of that. It was really nice to see all of her kids there. A lot of people have been noting with interest online that, Reed Marks is a good looking guy, which like we already knew respectfully. I mean, the men in that family, like, do be hot.

It's a thing. Everybody in that family. Meredith's hot. Chloe is hot. Brooks is hot. Sorry, I said it. Seth, you know, you know where to find me. Reed is no different.

Just because he's on TV less. Maybe that makes him hotter. Did you ever think about that? But a great episode. the editors, I think, you know, deserve just as much praise as the cast this season on Salt Lake City because making an episode that that tight and that dynamic is not easy. And not every show could pull that off. And twice in one season, I think, is even more impressive. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime originals have everything you want. Steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice.

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Find Ollie Sleep Solutions for the Whole Family at Ollie.com. That's OLLLY.com. Beverly Hills also having a good season, I think, we're obviously, you know, sooner into the season there. But likewise, I'm really enjoying it. This week felt like a great moment for Jen Tilly. She really let her freak flag fly this week. I feel like we're starting to get to know her better.

And she's an interesting case because she is, she's famous but she's not a list famous and she is you know people know a lot of stuff about her there's a lot of information about her out there in the world but if you're watching this show and you haven't necessarily like spent that much time with Jennifer Tilly in the past there are a lot of surprises around the corner and like this episode she talked about how she used to be married to one of the creators of the Simpsons. And when they got divorced, she got a piece of the Simpsons. And then the Simpsons became the Simpsons and it still is. And so I've seen like differing reports online of how much money she's getting from The Simpsons. But it sounds like whatever cut her ex-husband Sam Simon had, who has now passed away by the way, she had like a percentage of his cut basically, like 30% or something. So she's not like necessarily making billions of dollars off the Simpsons, but like

she's getting a nice chunk of change every year to this day on top of all the other stuff she has going on. We haven't even really talked on the show yet about the fact that Jennifer Tilly and her current husband are both like professional poker players. She has acting gigs. She has voice acting work. she has done a lot of different stuff and to afford that Louis Vuitton

boat bag and all the other stuff that comes along with it like she she's doing quite well for herself and I think her energy is just so funny like when they all show up at Kathy Hilton's house and they kind of walk into the kitchen one by one and she's the last one to get there and before you even see her you just hear we're going on a trip!

Woo! Champagne in the morning! She's just just like she's so fun, she's so kooky. And I think it's interesting because these are the kind of adjectives we were using to describe Kathy Hilton when she first came on the show a few years ago. And like, Jennifer and Kathy, I think, have some similarities. They're obviously both very wealthy and they both have a sort of like kookiness.

But at least from what we've seen of Jennifer so far, I think that Jennifer feels a little less calculated in her kookiness. And it feels a little bit more like she's just a silly girlie. Whereas Kathy, I think like she is more like eccentric or like she will like she's forgetful or she doesn't know how to work the iPad, you know, like that kind of stuff. But like I also think that you don't want to fuck with Kathy in a very specific way. Whereas Jennifer, maybe she has that side to her, but we haven't gotten it yet. And so I'm really, I'm, I think she's a breath of fresh air.

I'm really enjoying her. We're going on this little trip to Oceanside. You know, it's a nice time. But before we get there, this scene of Maricio showing up to Kyle's house and this conversation that they're having, I wanted to crawl out of my skin because Kyle, my dear, you have got to stop. I know that you are struggling with this new phase of your life. And I know that it's not where you thought you would be at 50, whatever. And I understand that.

I understand that it's weird and hard and different and tricky. But when Maricio walks into the house and she's like, Sofia was saying that you only have, you only bought 10 towels. And you can tell that Maricio is like a little annoyed because he's like, what? What are you talking about? 10 towels. First of all, I don't, I don't need a million towels. I use one towel. And she's like, right. So is that like a bath towels, face towels, body towels, dish towels. And he's like, shut up about the towels. Maybe Maricio has not been somebody that bought his own towels in the

past. But he definitely has a credit card that works. And he definitely can go to Target or send somebody to target or wherever rich people are buying their towels, it's not a big deal. He said he bought the most expensive ones. And then she's like, and I heard that you only have one set of sheets so I can buy you more sheets. And he's like, bitch, I can buy the sheets. The bitch was, that slipped in there from me. He didn't call her a bitch in case you, whatever.

But like, I just want Kyle to like live her own life. and watching, like, Maricio is, like, doing his own thing. He's fucking a dancing with the Star's partner, allegedly. He's maybe hooking up with Anita in Colorado, allegedly. You know, he is, like, getting his dick wet, for lack of a better word. He's having a grand old time. And maybe it's weird for him to be living in a condo alone or whatever, but, like, he's going to be fine.

And, like, Kyle, you need to, like, strap the fuck up and, like, be fine, too. Because it's not a great look when you're like trying to buy your like estranged husband towels. Also like the six-month lease, it's over. It's over. Just move on. The sooner you can move on, the better. But I get that it's hard. I get that it's hard.

And I don't want anybody to listen to this and be like, how could you be so callous about, you know, going through this difficult divorce? I get it. I get it. I just, I want her to be okay. and offering to buy Maricio Towels is not the way. But the other couple that we have to deal with is Doreet and Pekai. And Doreet's, you know, now struggling because Pekay got an apartment and he still isn't telling the kids and blah, blah, blah, blah. But what I want to talk about with Doreet and Pek this week is this thing that Carlos King said about Doreet and Pek and the idea that their divorce might just be for the show.

I'm just going to read this quote that he said. I'm being told that allegedly Doret and P.K. are fooling the audience with the idea that they're this divorce storyline based on his alcoholism, which is why DeRee is telling everybody, including the post office guy, the milkman, and her gardener that P.K. has a drinking problem. And it's because they need this money and they are so in dire need of funds, allegedly, that DeReed has nothing to lose. And then Carlos went on to claim that they're doing it. So she'll be the marquee name of the show and bring in more money.

I just don't like this. I don't like it. And I don't know for a for sure. whether this is true or whether this is made up or whether the truth is somewhere in the middle, which is probably the real answer. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. But like, I like to watch these shows with a healthy dose of touching grass. You know, like I know that not everything is 100% authentic as it's presented to us.

I know that they are, you know, piecing things together and, you know, the editing is editing and the producing is producing. I respect and I understand how all of that works. But I don't like to watch these shows and think that like a full key storyline of a season is just fake, is just made up, is just being put on specifically. It would be one thing if production was like, hey, why don't you guys? argue about this. But if Doreet and P.K. are behind the scenes like, oh, yeah, babe, let's cook up this divorce storyline because then they're going to give you the cent of diamond and you can maybe get a little bit of a bump, you know, the divorce bump, because Carl's not going to talk about a divorce, so you're going to get it. You're going to get the bump, babe. I don't want that. And like,

I want drama and I want a good season. But if we ever find out, at a certain point, the buck is going to stop. And if they're not really breaking up, what is the end game there? What? Like after they film the reunion for this season, they're like, P.K. and I have decided that we love each other so much that we're going to give it another go, Indy. Like, okay, so then are we satisfied? Do we like, do we just never get answers? I think that with this, if you are, if you have the tinfoil hat on and you want to believe that this is fully fake, that is your right?

and that is your prerogative, I think that for my purposes, as both a viewer and a commentator, as a talker abouter of these things, I think I have to stay, I think I have to keep my head in the sand a little bit. Because if all of a sudden I have to watch every episode of this season to be like,

it seems like she's acting, it doesn't seem like she's really upset, that seems fake. I think I would go crazy. And I don't think it would be, I don't think it would bring you guys, as the listeners a better experience if every single episode

I'm like this lying, this lying piece of shit, she's just lying. At a certain point, like, you just have to, you have to watch the show and, like, work with what they're giving you. I don't know. They also just, like,

seem to kind of hate each other right now. And I don't think that Doreet and P.K. Are that good of actors. Like, respectfully, I don't think that P.K. is with, winning any awards when he's like, I'm single P.K. How am I looking? Got my new clothes. Like, I don't think that that is like, I just don't think there's that smart, to be honest. I don't know. We will see. We'll see, like, if they end up getting back together, I feel like

that is when there would be a little bit more cause for questions. But as long as they are continuing to be living apart and continuing to seem to hate each other and continuing to be like not on the same page about their communication, I'm just going to ride with it. And I'm not going to let the haters get to me. And by the haters, I mean, you know, I don't think that Carlos King is a hater. I just think that he, I think that he gets very invested in the side of things of like disproving and producing and all of that. And I'm like, I would rather kind of just like eat the food that they give me.

but asking questions. You know, we're eating the food, but we're being honest about how it tastes, right? That's what we do here. I was going to talk more about Potomac. I mean, this week's episode just was not super interesting to me. I guess the T.J. and Stacey scene was noteworthy because this is after Wendy's 40th birthday party where Stacey brought T.J. as her date. and he tells her they're talking about he was really not pleased with the lack of attention that she paid to him at this party. And, you know, he was like, you brought me there.

And then you just abandoned me. And we didn't talk again the whole night. And don't ever do that to me again. And that was so, you know, so uncalled for. And if you want me to be there, then you need to whatever. And I just am like, sir. first of all, shut the fuck up.

First, like, first of all, why are you speaking to her like that? Not even, I mean, it's, you shouldn't be speaking like that at all,

but it's like, you are on camera. And this is, again, this keeps happening with these guys that get brought on these shows. I'm like, do you not realize

that whether or not this dynamic is working for you in your relationship, that this is going to be on TV, and then you are going to get raked over the fucking coals. And not only are you going to get like backlash and comments and stuff, but then every time Stacy is out doing an interview or doing a reunion or doing watch what happens live or God forbid like going on Twitter, which like I honestly can't recommend these days, she's going to be getting a million questions that's like, this guy seems like a dick. Are you okay with the way he speaks to you?

I just don't understand why these men can't get it through their heads. after 15 years of housewives, I know that I'm sure TJ, you know, in his like, celibacy school, they're probably not watching housewives, but like, what do you think is going to happen? Do you think this is going to go well for you? And she just seems like, I don't know, not that upset about it. She does ask about the possibility of seeing other people, which really took me by surprise because I'm like, first of all, if this, if you're in this like abstinence only thing,

I feel like dating multiple people is kind of like antithetical to that. But also I just thought that he would be very like, I thought that he would like throw a chair if she asked about seeing other people. Instead, he kind of goes the opposite way. And he's like, well, I mean, if you're doing that, then I'm going to be doing that too. And she's like, but you don't even want to have sex with me. How are you going to date other people? And he's like, baby girl, it's not about the sex.

It's about the connection. And he's like, I'm not, he says that he's not going to have sex unless he's in a committed relationship. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought it was unless you're married. Because if it's a committed relationship, it seems like you and Stacey have, at least from what we've seen on the show, like you guys are together, right?

So if he's not actually waiting for marriage, then I'm like, Stacy just like commit and then you can have sex all you want. But also don't because he seems fucking weird. But also like, how bad do you want to have sex? I don't know. But I'm glad that she's keeping an open mind because I'm like, girl,

I don't think this is the one. and you're not even divorced from the last one. You've still got your mediation. Like, don't tie yourself down to anything, especially somebody who's going to speak to you like that on camera. Ugh, could never be me. Giselle and Ashley goes to be dating, and then Ashley goes on a date with one of the guys.

He's like 30 years old. She's very turned on by the fact that he survived thyroid cancer. She's like, when I first 30 was 30, I was like, that's a little young. But then I heard he had cancer. And I'm like, oh, so he's, he's been through some stuff. He's maybe a little mature for his age. I'm like, Ashley, sweetie.

With all the love in the world, I don't think this is going anywhere. I don't think we're ever seeing that man again. And then, you know, Mia's still going through a Mia thing. She's being told by like everyone in the world that it's probably not the best idea to be like moving so hot and heavy with ink while Gordon is still living in the same building. and clearly really struggling with it. I have to agree. I don't know. I mean, I don't envy Mia's situation right now

because clearly it's really hard, but like it does just seem like knowing what she knows about Gordon and how this is going to affect him. It's like, don't make your life harder than it needs to be. And if that means not living with ink quite yet, maybe that's the best way to do it.

I don't know. I don't want to tell anybody how to live their life. Things are messy. Things are complicated and things are done for the day. That's all, but we'll be back later this week. We have some lots of stuff to talk about and we are just so close to the end of the year. It is crazy.

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