Mention It All - Do We Want A Happy Hubbs? Ft. Jordana Abraham (Summer House)

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

Dylan is joined once again by Jordana Abraham, who comes ready to share her thoughts on the new season trailer for RHOBH. They weigh the merits of knowing about drama beforehand vs. being surprised when the season airs, and salute Erika’s accidental promo for Garcelle’s new book. Then, they recap this week’s Summer House, starting with a conversation about who actually gets to be upset when a summer situationship goes awry. They discuss the future of Lindsay and Carl on the show, and then get into the potential red flags about Bravolebrities who go to “therapy” on camera. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and I am joined as usual by Jordana. Abraham. Hey, Jordana. How's it going?

Great. So good to be back. Excited to talk about Summerhouse. I know. So we're recording. I want to say, before I forget, we're recording a little early this week because I'm to be out of town for the rest of the week. So we're not talking about Jersey today, but I'm sure we will have plenty of thoughts later. But today is exciting for a different reason

because we launched something special. Jordana, what's happening? Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, we have launched our very own canned cocktail. It's called faux pop. You guys haven't seen it all over social. It's on Bravo by Betches. It's on you up. It's on everything. Betches touches. And this was designed by us. I personally did the taste. testings to design these to pick out these flavors and Dylan you've tried them which one's your favorite? So I'm like waffling back and forth between the lemon mint vodka soda and the spicy mango margarita. They're very different vibes I would say so I can like pick and choose. Yeah. I'm a I'm always been a tequila soda girl. I mean I love all of them but that the grapefruit

orange tequila soda really just like speaks to my soul. So I'm excited. These are going to be the drink of the summer at all the pool parties. It's also a good like, it's a good like you're sitting at home watching Bravo and you want to sip on something. Exactly. And you want to sip on something that looks cool. It's like, not only does it taste really good. These cans like look really cool and they are, they're very, very fun.

The aesthetic is important. I want to talk about since you have been here, the Beverly Hills season 12 trailer has dropped. The season is now less than a month away. it's coming up fast. What were your impressions from this trailer? And is there anything that you're really excited for Beverly Hills to come back? I thought it was a great trailer.

It got me very, very excited for this season. I think they needed a good trailer because I was a little concerned that like the the Erica stuff was like a little played out and it would go back to being like because I think before the Erica Jane stuff, there was definitely like a few seasons where I was like, there's not really anything happening. The drama seems a little contrived. but it seems like it's going to be just as exciting a season as last time. I know.

I am excited the way it seems like Erica is still kind of in the hot seat, but not just, it doesn't look like they're going to rehash the same conversation as last season. Like it feels like she's in the hot seat more as like an organic villain and less as like the woman in the LA Times article. Totally. I feel like they're this season because they've already, now they've had a chance to see how the public has sort of like,

taken aside and they kind of can know like they know the public is sort of on the side of like ask the questions you know what I mean right even if even if the public doesn't unanimously dislike Erica everybody wants to mention it all like we all want to talk about it exactly I'm really excited to see the Kathy Kyle drama I don't know what it's about um that's like I got to know I love that stuff. I don't know. I appreciate when a trailer drops and there is a conflict that we don't know anything about the root of. Because I feel like sometimes when there's like a legal scandal or somebody's getting divorced, a lot of the time that news has trickled out before we see it on the show. So it's like we kind of know what they're fighting about.

But with something like this Kyle and Kathy thing, it's like, what did Kathy say? like where is this even coming from? I like being teased and like surprised when the show happens of like what is like the core of an argument. I don't always want to be reading in page six the exact details of the season. Yeah. I want to see like the behind the scenes stuff. It seems like Derreet's, uh, burglary is going to be another one. I'm like interested to see about that.

That was like kind of sad in it. obviously the Garcel, Erica, tension. We saw her throwing out the book, throwing out the book, which is its own drama in itself. One of my favorite things was I posted about that, obviously about Erica throwing the book away. And Ariana Maddox responded to the story. And she said, all I need is someone famous to hate my book.

That's true. It's great. I was like, to be totally, totally honest, I did not know Garcel had a book. So now it's on my radar. Now I kind of want to like check it out. Trust me. Every Bravo account now has the cover of Garcell's book on their feed somewhere.

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Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. I want to get into Summer House. I want to get some of your thoughts. We are rapidly approaching the end of the season. We got our reunion looks that came out. And I love on this show the way they talk about summer as if it's like, summer only exists as like the eight weekends Bravo was filming them at the house because it's like, I don't know when in the calendar this is happening, but they're like, it's crazy that summer is

over next weekend. Right. It's like they really want, they really want to say filming. Filming. Filming is over next weekend. You can't say that. This is the second to last weekend of filming. I have to say things, things are not seeming to come to as nice of a conclusion as I was sort of expecting. like Lindsay and Carl still seems very far off in the distance. Paige and Craig have not made any sort of commitment to one another. I was kind of thinking that by the end of this season, those puzzle pieces would be a little more in place. But I mean, Lindsay is still very much not with Carl because she's still on her flavor of the week type of moment. And I mean, that part kind of annoyed me when they were like, the part where like Amanda was like crying while saying like, I feel like you're not.

have you're like pretending to have fun it's it was kind of annoying me on behalf of lindsay where it's like why are you why do you care like she seems she says she's good you i don't think it's that you care so much about her that you are like concerned that she's saying she's good and she's not good nothing that she's done has indicated that she would need an intervention of sorts about like whoever she wants she wants to be like sleeping with or having a crush on or getting a little bit too over-invested in like i thought lindsay handled that really well she's like that's who i am. I like, when I'm, like, fully in. Like, why is that her problem? And let's not pretend that Miss Amanda has not spent her fair share of time being miserable at the summer house.

Also true. Right. And she isn't. And also like probably doesn't need. And Kyle, for one would be like the first one to be like, why are you up in my business for her, I mean, Amanda. And Amanda is the one who's like up in Lindsay's. I mean, all of them. And obviously like, to me, there's obvious undertones of like they're trying to like have Sierra's back. Yeah. And I I understand to a certain level why Sierra is frustrated seeing Lindsay so quickly throw herself into another situation ship because she did make such a big deal out of the stuff with Austin. But then on the other hand, it's like the whole thing with Austin was just messy. And like Lindsay is the kind of person who even if the feelings are only there for a day or a week or a month, she's going to feel them 100%. And so, like, I understand

why Sierra was annoyed, but at the same time, it's like, I think Lindsay just is always going to be that person. And if you don't like Lindsay that much, then maybe that's just how it's going to be. Right. I agree. Like, they cannot like her. And, I mean, again, I think she can act like pretty immaturely. Sometimes you see, you see that when she's like screaming at the guy for leaving her Oh my God. At the beach. But at the end of the day, I don't think that that's,

I don't think it's like fair to be like slut shaming her for having fun when it doesn't have anything to do with them. And like, Sierra should separate that from the fact that she's very into guys from the, from she should focus on the thing that actually bothered her, which was the thing that they addressed. I like that they addressed it this episode where she was like actually coming to her

from a vulnerable place this time instead of an attacking place. And it seemed like they got a little bit further. not fully resolved, but better than the wine throwing, obviously. Yeah. Oh, God, that phone call, when they got back to the house and she called Ahmed and was chewing him out for leaving the beach that she invited him to. And it's like, when I was watching that scene at the beach, it was pretty crystal clear to me that Ahmed and Oliver were like, okay, let's just go back to our house because we don't, for whatever reason, we don't feel like going to your house and it was just like Lindsay my dear like this is just not it's not worth

getting that heated about it's just like how the cookie crumbles and it's like when you have that friend who just is like too into the guy that it's just like he's not your knight in shining armor he's not your soulmate just like be annoyed and let it go yeah and I can understand that being like sort of an annoying quality in a person but it's not like offensive and that was why I was annoyed at like the younger crew for making it like she was doing something offensive would really like she just kind of behaves in a little bit of a messy way but it doesn't really affect it it certainly doesn't affect Amanda to the extent that she should be crying about it no she's like Lindsay you almost had a family and it's like wait what why why are we talking about her like

potential kids that she could have had like that's not where this is coming from right I totally totally agree it is it's interesting to me I feel like that situation with Lindsay, how Lindsay approaches relationships. And then also what Paige and Andrea were sort of arguing about that Andrea is talking about this girl Lexi that he, you know, says he saw a future with. And Paige is like, well, I was, I had complicated feelings because you seemed into me and Craig's, like, I feel like people pick and choose when they are accepting of things being casual or things being kind of just for fun or not that serious. It's like, I don't know that anybody in this house this summer has really like been that deep into any one thing that I feel like nobody really to me was like done wrong in either of these situations.

Totally. No one has been either like the model of like extremely mature behavior for going about like when dating or hooking up or being like the work, you know what I mean? Or doing something that they haven't had done to them. So they're all kind of like equally like buck boyish, I would say, on all, and buck girlish on all accounts. Right. And I think that we this whole season with the page and Craig and Andrea thing, it's been like, okay, well, we know Paige and Craig end up getting together. So like everything else that happens is kind of irrelevant. But it is like seeing we're getting toward the end of the season and Paige has told Andrea that she,

is choosing to go after Craig instead of him, but then in next week's episode, we get a glimpse of Paige's still agreeing to be Andrea's date to some house prom thing. And it's like, you just can't quite, you can't quite get all the way there of being like, Andrea, nothing is happening anymore. And it like, you're not really doing yourself a service in that situation either. Yeah. I think, um, I thought the page, like, the fact that Paige was upset with Andrea was more about Paige's ego than anything of it like having to do with her feeling duped by him. I think she was kind of like, whoa, like the storyline is that everyone, I was like juggling two guys. The storyline isn't that like you had a deeper connection with someone else. Like I almost

feel like she was more annoyed by like him sort of taking that away from her as like this person being pursued by like two people playing them against each other. Right. Because we see how giddy pages at the idea that she kind of won over Kristen Cavalry. Totally. She is very much, I think she sees this situation. She's like in it to win it. Whether she wants the prize, whether or not the prize is actually that great. So it's like when you're at like the, what is it like the Davein Busters or something and you're like, no, I want all the tokens.

Like I don't actually give a shit about the prizes. But like, I don't need a 30 pound stuffed bear. But yeah, I like, I want to just know that I could have it if I want it. Right. Andrea is the 30 pound stuffed bear of the house. And she's like, what do you mean? You weren't just going to like sit on my toy shelf as long as I wanted you there. Like that's not right. Exactly.

Yeah. To me it seemed like a little immature. I mean, the Andrea, like emotions definitely sort of felt like they came a little bit out of nowhere for this person. Yes. So I'll give them that where they were like, wait, you haven't said anything about this person until last week. And there's a lot, a lot of feelings going on in the house. Two weeks ago at the wine throwing dinner, we're all like, wait, what is Andrea crying about? Like, what's going on? And now it's like, I thought this girl was going to be my wife. And then we stopped. And then now it looks like they're back together based on social media. But I, like, it is kind of strange the way these shows pick and choose what is going to make the cut of filming that obviously maybe based on a timeline or based maybe this other woman, Lexi, didn't want to film. But it's like, we were.

never told that Andrea was like dating anyone post-Vermont. And so I do think from Page's perspective, I feel like Paige is very good at the being on the show angle too. And so she's like, no, like, the storyline on the show is that we were like talking after Vermont and then we came to the house and it was like possibilities were endless. So even if you were seeing somebody else, like that wasn't really like what we were saying. And it's always, I think maybe Andrea is newer at this or he just had that like genuine emotional moment where he kind of couldn't hold it in. But it's like, it does feel a little bit like, no, you weren't supposed to, you weren't supposed to like pull back the curtain and say that that wasn't maybe as real as it seemed. Yeah, that's a great point.

It definitely was, I feel like he came in with a storyline that he's now deviating from and she's like not cool with that. I also thought it was funny. It felt like this week they were like, oh, fuck, we forgot to give Alex something to do. Oh, yeah. He like comes back. He's like, yeah, like I really feel like I've,

you know, I've been able to open up more. I had a smore. Now that I'm around my friends and Kyle's like, yeah, like I feel like you've been on a journey. And it's like, really? No, not really. Right. Yeah, it's like your storyline,

if your storyline is that you came into the house eating turkey and now you eat smoors, I think we need to, we need to amp up the storyline here because that's not a season, a season two storyline. Yeah, I was surprised they even kind of gave him more screen time again, because I assumed they were just kind of like letting him fade into the distance. And it's like, oh, yeah, oh, you're still, you're back, I guess. But yeah, it is, it is interesting.

They really clearly couldn't find much. it's like I feel like that was one of those things where they probably used all the footage they had of him right there just like wasn't much wasn't much in the bank yeah I mean he's here's the thing about Alex is I feel like I don't dislike him I'm not like he's not like a bad character I just don't care about him kind of like Luke this season to be totally honest like also fine not really invest in the storyline though it's strange the way Luke has kind of been in and out this season. Like he missed the first weekend or two. And then he also, I don't think he was there this episode. And they don't really acknowledge it. Like, it would almost seem

less weird if they were like, Luke is away this weekend at blah, blah, blah. And I feel like they've done that in the past if like Lindsay's gone for a weekend. We always know why. But like, they clearly are like, we don't. Nobody really cares. Exactly. And Carl, you know what, I'm really proud of Carl, I feel like he's made so much progress in his journey of like treating women like shit, to be totally honest. Fair. Obviously, he's sober, so that helps. But I feel like in the past with this relationship with this girl, for example, like his past

behavior would have just been to like hook up with other people and like kind of like toss her to the side. And here at least he's like, it seems like he really thought about what he wanted from the relationship. he thought about how it was making him feel. And then he ended it like in a mature, normal way where he like called her and ended it, as opposed to his old behaviors of just kind of like messing around and getting drunk and like making the and embarrassing the person that he's no longer interested in.

Right. It feels like he's kind of lost that like selfish energy where it was like, yeah, like whatever, who cares? It's like no, like maybe this didn't work out for whatever reason. And maybe it is like if it's like on me, then I can still explain that. and like it doesn't have to end in this way that's going to be like more painful than it needs to be totally so I feel like he has made a lot of strides although kind of I mean not a huge storyline this season Carl for sure like yeah I almost I almost wonder I was talking to I had

Amanda from Betches on yesterday and we were talking a little bit about like where does summerhouse go from here now that we have like a lot of couples you know page is ready to move to Charleston, clearly. Which like... It's the best food in the country, apparently. It makes it even more funny that Paige is like not still technically dating Craig on the show because she's like, oh, I'd move there in a heartbeat. I love him, yeah.

Right. It's like he's not your boyfriend even yet. I don't know. All new drinks are now at McDonald's with refreshers like the strawberry watermelon refresher and the mango pineapple refresher with popping boba to crafted sodas like the Sprite berry blast with berry flavors and cold foam. Who knew ice cold drinks could be so fire? Try them all now at McDonald's.

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Visit redbull.com slash bright summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. So we were talking about where the show goes. And like you said Carl really hasn't had like too much of a storyline this season. But then it's like, but next year if he and Lindsay are like lovebirds, is that a storyline? Like, I mean, if they fight, it is a storyline in my opinion. Right. I'd be interested to know kind of what their dynamic is as a couple because based on social

media, they are like extremely honeymoon phase into each other. Totally. Which I love that for them. I hope their love bubble seems strong. But like, we need, I don't want to see a season of Summerhouse where like Lindsay is too happy if that makes sense. I agree. It will take away from a lot of.

lot of the drama and excitement. Good for her, bad for TV. But as, I mean, Kyle and Amanda always look great on social media too. So I'm kind of like, I don't believe everything you see on social media. That's sort of the beauty of like the show almost is that you get to see these couples interact in the real world. And I would be surprised if things didn't come up. Yeah. I mean, Lindsay Hubbard isn't just going to like, she didn't get a personality transplant. Like there has to be some spice still happening. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, happy or happy Lindsay or not happy Lindsay, I'm sure there's still some drama. There has to. Yeah. And speaking of Kyle and Amanda on last night's episode, we were watching more pre-up discussion. And I have to say,

as I was watching the episode, I was like imagining you watching the episode, knowing how you feel about some of these Kyle and Amanda disagreements. And it's just like, okay, we're still doing the pre-up, I guess. Still doing the pre-nup two weeks before. Makes no sense. Also, he says he still needs to find a tux. And I'm like, what are you doing? Go, go.

Two weeks. You also, you've been engaged for three years. Like, get your shit together. What are you talking about? It's, I mean, like, it's interesting. It's going to be interesting to see, like, him. It seems like he's going to have a little bit of a meltdown next episode about the fact that he's very stressed about this wedding.

But the pre-nup thing is just absolutely insane. I still don't believe it. I'm still, I was very interesting to hear the tape. bit that Amanda has no stake in Loverboy, which I thought was very interesting. And I agree with her. She quit her job to do this. She has been with it basically from the start. She should get half if they get divorced. Yeah. I mean, I think that you definitely can't, you can't like undersell the fact that Loverboy is partially successful because of the brand image. And they have super cute packaging and they sell really nice looking merch. And like, that's always been her contribution as far as

we know. And then on top of that, she's a big part of the brand image. I mean, we know from watching the show, it's like, we know that it was like Kyle's idea and Kyle's baby. But the whole sort of community vibe of Amanda and Carl and Kyle all like working on this thing, I don't think it would be nearly as successful as it seems to have been if it was still just like Kyle's idea. Totally. Not to mention the like hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of like social media promotion that she does constantly on her own pages, probably. Right.

Like if if Amanda like didn't exist as a person, lover boy I think would look very different as a company. And I don't know. Like I'm not, you know, the world's foremost expert on how you should be dividing your stock in the company or anything. But it's like, I do think watching it, I'm like, I don't think she should have nothing. Yeah. I mean, I disagree with her that a pre-up is something that you shouldn't do because it's like, like planning for your divorce. I do agree with her that you shouldn't do it two weeks before you get married.

That's like the extreme wrong plan to do it. But another thing you can also do is a post-nob. So I'm surprised that hasn't been thrown into the mix, probably because this is a scripted thing and not real. But it's very, very, you don't have to do it before you get married. You can do it after you get married. And it's like they could easily do like have the wedding, not think about it until then and then do it after. I guess the issue would be if they didn't align on that, then they're already married. Right.

It's like in terms of a, in terms of a legal document outlining how you're asking, would be divided if you got divorced, you can do that anytime. Like the lawyer is always going to be there to help you write up that document. It's just the reason that people do it as a pre-up is because it's like part of agreeing to get married. Yeah. It is kind of funny, like when you're pointing out that it's like they aren't bringing up maybe the most logical option because that wouldn't fit with the timeline of when this

show is being filmed, it's like, yeah, maybe. Right. And I mean the idea that that would be. never have come up in all the years of... Right. You know what I mean? I mean, good thing Katie and Tom got their pre-up. We saw them do it on screen, right?

And Kyle's acting like now it's this like life or death thing of like, well, the investors and the, I can't, I can't. What if something happens? And it's like, I just don't, I don't think Kyle is like a dumb guy. And so the idea that he would just, this would never occur to him until now, it's like, I don't know. No, no. Right.

Or that the investor. suddenly decided to ask after like two years. You know what bother? I was meant to ask you about this just in general because we see this a lot on Bravo shows when they show the therapy appointments. And to me, it's almost like the point of therapy is that it's a safe place. And when you televise it, it becomes an unsafe place in my mind. So I always, I mean, they do this a lot on Bravo shows.

They always show people going to therapy. And to me, I'm kind of like, what therapist is like telling their client that this is a idea. Like it defeats the whole purpose of therapy in my mind. I know. I feel like I always, when somebody says they've been to therapy on these shows and it really just means they've filmed one session, I always feel like there's like an asterisk next to it because it's like, you might have had a nice conversation with a therapist. Right. And maybe it helped you work out some stuff. Maybe it was what you needed in that moment. But like, it never, I would never, equate that to like going to see a therapist every week for six months and like really

working on some deep shit. It's like I think we've seen some therapy sessions on Bravo that have been like helpful. And also superficial. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think there's there's both sides of the coin. Like I think some have been just like a joke and some have been a pretty like solid maybe there's a breakthrough or something, but also I'm always just kind of like, okay, this is, they're doing this because they feel like they have to. And then they're going to tell everybody that they went to therapy. They're like, yeah, it's like, yeah, I went, I went to, I got my anger issues under control, guys. I saw a therapist. And it's like, yeah, you like physically saw a therapist. You didn't like,

complete a course of therapy. That's not how therapy works. Right. Therapy isn't like a one time thing. And then you've gone to therapy and you're done. Therapy is like usually a slow, like for any real actual progress in therapy. You have to go for like years and be consistent and the change is very slow and gradual and like it's a very slow long process. So like I'm almost like I wouldn't see any therapist that has been a therapist live on Bravo because I would think that would be a bad advice to give to a client to be like, yeah, you know what would make this therapy session a lot more productive as if you aired it to millions of people on national television. Then we can really get really deep here, obviously.

Did you ever watch the show Intervention? I feel like I may have seen one episode a long time ago. It was like when I watched this show when I was in like ninth grade, which it was just like looking back. I'm like, it's literally they're like, Deborah does heroin every single day. And her whole family knows she's on the verge of death. And she's agreed to participate in a documentary. But little does she know her family is about stage an intervention.

And like, it's one of those things where like, I'm sure there were some people that went on that show that were able to like make improvements in their lives as a result of it. But also there are probably so many people who went on that show that are like, why the fuck did you do that to me? Like my family really like tricked me into having an intervention on camera. Like, yeah. I mean, you have to think like if someone really cared about your progress or someone really cared about you getting help, they would want to take away the factor of having a. million people's opinions able to reach, and also like able to reach you easily via like DM or anything. And then now they're like 10 years later, people are going to be on Google being like, did Deborah from intervention get sober? It's like, I understand maybe going on the show

gave people resources they wouldn't have had or like whatever. But in general, the idea of like the mental health aspect of these types of situations being sort of, um, like sterilized and like edited down to like a five minute scene of you like doing therapy on housewives. It's kind of like, oh, that's not really the point. Yeah, I don't love it. Like a lot of these people should be in like some real form of therapy. Totally. But then they might not be good for the show.

And they wouldn't be. That's the thing. Good therapy is bad TV. Like most things in life. I guess that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, what a quandary.

Exactly. Oh, yes. This was fun, though. I feel like we got to the root of some of our summer house issues. I know. And we'll have to talk about Jersey next week because I'm sure it's a good one. Definitely. In the meantime, don't forget to go by your faux pa, listen to you up, and rate review and follow this show wherever you listen.

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