Mention It All - Does Anyone Like Blogger Storylines? (RHOC, RHOM)

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

This week, it’s another double Real Housewives recap, with new episodes of Orange County and Miami to get into. First, Dylan gives his review of Scheana’s new memoir, and ranks where it falls on the spectrum of Bravoleb books. Then, it’s OC time, and the ladies spend another episode spiraling about bloggers, Naked Wasted rumors, and whether anyone can be trusted. Is this season spending too much time in the weeds? After that, Dylan turns his focus to Miami, and all the drama on the Sevilla trip. Lisa and Larsa move toward burying the hatchet (kinda), but Adriana and Kiki’s explosive argument leaves a bad taste in everyone’s mouth. And of course, Steph is worried about her jet. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. It feels good to be here on a Friday. We've got, of course, OC and Miami to get into our pair of Thursday night Housewives franchises, apparently. Now we're just going with that schedule. I don't know how I feel about it. It's everything is so. So bunched.

But we're going to talk about both of those shows. And before we get into it, I spent my weekend, you know, this past weekend, really, really locked in. And, you know, I consider myself a reader. I like to, you know, peruse a good book, some classic American literature. So when I have a weekend without too many plans on the calendar, I like to just, you know, curl up with a good book. and just kind of tune out all the distractions. And so last weekend I did read My Good Side by Sheena Shea in approximately 36 hours. Now, I, just full transparency, we were maybe going to have on the podcast this week. And so that is, that was my, um, my main inspiration to read the book in 36

hours. But, you know, a book is a book, and I like to read, and, you know, I logged it on my little reading app. And yeah, so Sheena's book, I have read a fair number of these Bravo Leopardy memoirs at this point. And so I feel like I am in a position to kind of not judge. I would never judge. That's not, I'm not that kind of person. But like, I can sort of place the different books on a spectrum, let's say. Sheena's book was interesting because when she announced it, obviously, I think Sheena is at a point where she's sort of like an easy, easy target, easy person to pick on. You know, she wanted to be on Dancing with the Stars. It hasn't happened for her. And so people are like, oh, Sheena's putting out a book, like, pick me. And it's like, look,

you would do a two for a check. Half of these people have put out a book. Even within the Vanderpump rules, you know, universe. Stasi has books. Kristen wrote a book. Remember that? Kristen's book coming out like a month before she got canceled in 2020, it's like it doesn't exist. I think it was a relationship advice book, which also just the blind leading the blind. I don't know. I mean, she's doing well now. Congratulations. La La Cent wrote a book. I think I read and interviewed her for that once upon a time. So to me, when I hear that Sheena's putting out of a book, I'm like, good for her. I've never written a book. Maybe I will someday. It hasn't happened yet. But so I, you know, when I, when there's a chance that I'm going to speak to somebody about their

book, I really like to do my due diligence and at least, you know, give it a good college try to get through it. And I, I will say, to Sheena's credit, I was able to get through that book really quickly. It's about 200 pages long. The chapters kind of fly by. It's very, you know, here's a story, here's a story, here's a story. It's not what I would, it's not like an overly, you know, flowery text. It's kind of like, we're, okay, we're telling you a story about one guy I dated. Now we're telling you a story about a different guy I dated. Now we're telling you a story about, you know, how I got, you know, this certain nickname or whatever. The thing with Bravo books, it's always a little interesting because there's kind of two routes you can take.

You can treat it as a tell-all memoir about your life in public, about the show and everything that people want to know and saying, you've seen me on TV, but you didn't know all the crazy shit that happened behind the scenes, and I'm going to spill all the Vanderpump rules secrets. I would argue that is a book that I would really like to read. Now, a lot of Bravo memoirists take kind of the opposite tack, and they say, you've seen me on TV, but I'm so much more than what you've seen on TV. And I'm, let's go back to the beginning, back to the beginning. And they kind of are like, this is all that I went through, this is my entire life story. And then at about the like 70% mark of the book, they're like,

and then had you ever heard of Bravo TV? I hadn't. They showed up one day. And I heard they were casting for a show. That's kind of like the Heather Gay, like the bad Mormon model. I would say where it's like, look at all this interesting stuff that happened to me before housewives even, you know, was a twinkle in Andy Cohen's eye. And then we get like a few chapters about stuff that happened on the show. But they're kind of like, I'm so much more than a housewife. Now, Sheena, I feel like, kind of placed her book right in the middle, where a lot of the timeline of the narrative is happening in and around when she was on TV. But she also wants to position herself as so much more than just Sheena Shea from Vanderpump Rules. And I have to say, the effect of that is that it's just like a little bit boring.

because it feels like she doesn't spend a lot of time on her childhood or on, you know, things that happened before she joined the show. I think she was like 26 when Vanderpump Rules began. So, I mean, she was young. It's not like she had this whole, you know, life and career and everything so much before. But then during the Vanderpump Rules parts of the book, it doesn't feel like we really are like pulling back the curtain so much. There are, of course, certain things that we haven't heard before. Of course, you all have seen by now all of the reporting on the, on Brock cheating on her while she was pregnant. That is like a chapter in the book. That, I mean, that's objectively, you know, interesting new information. But some of the stuff about like,

oh, like, you know, when I started the show, I was working at Villablanca and I liked that. then I went to Sir, and these girls were kind of mean. And, you know, there was this girl, Kristen, and there was this other girl, Stasi. And then there was this other girl, Katie, who was dating this guy, Tom. And it's like, yeah, we know. And I understand you don't want your book to, like, only be readable to people who have already watched 11 seasons of Vanderpump Rules, but it is a little bit like, okay, I already did the, I already did the homework. Like, I, so I think with Sheena, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a, a, a quick read. It's entertaining, you know. I don't spend a full day reading a book that I think is, you know, horrible.

But it's not, I would say it doesn't rise to the level. Probably, let's see, what are the best Bravo books that I've read? I think. Honestly, Teresa's book about when she went to prison, turning the tables. Pretty fascinating because she went to prison. I did like Bad Mormon. honestly, it's not a long list of really good ones. And I haven't read all of them, to be, to be clear. I, I enjoyed Margaret Joseph's book. Even Lala's. Lala's had some, some good tea, I feel like.

It's, I don't know. I still would love to talk to Sheena at some point, so maybe it'll happen. But, you know, if you're considering reading My Good Side by Sheena Shea, I would say, like, Read it if you want something to do. Don't read it if you want your life to be changed. But that's, you know, to be expected, I think. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now. And up to 60% off.

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with OC. O.C. where I think seven episodes into the season now, probably getting to that halfway point. And I do feel a little bit frustrated with the amount of time. and energy and just spiritual, you know, cost that we're spending on this Kiki Monique bloggers. What did Katie say about what Gretchen said, about what Tamara did at the naked wasted dinner 13 years ago? Because it's a little dark and it's a little bit opaque. And what I mean by that is that now that we've been talking about it for a few episodes, pretty much the entire to New Orleans was centered around this ball of question marks and accusations and rumors, and he said, she said, and she said, and it just doesn't feel like we are arriving at any form of

answer. And I think that's a hard thing. And I don't envy the producers and editors on these shows having to sort of like follow the narrative thread and then just hope that it comes to a resolution. But I'm wondering now watching this episode, what is the resolution of all of this going to be? Because we start this episode. We're in New Orleans. Tamara has just left. She has, you know, stormed out of this dinner after taking half a Xanax and then having two drinks. And, you know, she doesn't remember much after that. But she leaves in the middle of the night. So then the next morning, it's like everybody's calling their respective husbands to be like,

it was so bad last night. Tamara's just yelling and screaming and she was slashed and then yada, yada, yada. So we have to, you know, the customary fill in the husbands on the trip the morning after. And then we're going on an alligator boat. again, he's just like, this trip felt like it was lacking a little bit of, a little bit of juice, because they're on the alligator boat. And the only interesting thing that happens on the alligator boat is Shannon is 20 minutes late because she had to stop the car to put on her eyelashes on the side of the road because that's important, obviously. And so Gina jumps down Shannon's throat for being late to the alligator boat because she's like, it gives me anxiety when you're late to the boat. and I'm already anxious because I don't want anyone to get eaten by a crocodile.

And Shannon's like, well, I had a nervous breakdown 20 minutes ago. So it's like, ladies, what are we doing? First of all, Gina, why do you have anxiety that somebody's going to get eaten? First of all, there are no crocodiles in Louisiana. Those are American alligators. Just you learn something new every day. Actually, I learned one time that the easy way to tell the difference, Alligator snouts go straight out and then like curve at the end.

Crocodile snouts are pointy. The more you know. Anyway, alligators, not crocodiles in Louisiana. It just is like, it feels very like, why are we at this level? I know we've, we've just, we've spent our season in Miami where being late is kind of like the argument topic de jour. I feel like in OC we've got bigger fish to fry because you have somebody who has stormed out of the group. There's rumors about somebody getting roofied 12 years ago. Like, we can't be yelling at each other about being late for the alligator boat.

It's just not that deep. But so we go to the last dinner in New Orleans. Gina choking on an oyster while Heather and Emily are like bickering about something. And Gina's just in the background like, What a way to go. But Gina shares that she, after last night, after this whole back and forth, she had to get to the bottom of it. She had to figure out what was really going on. So she called the journalist whose name we're not saying.

It's interesting to me who does and doesn't get named, that we're talking to like a mysterious journalism man. But Kiki Monique were allowed to talk about her openly. I don't know. So the journalist told Gina that when Katie went to lunch with Kiki Monique, seven minutes into the lunch, Katie brought up this naked wasted story and Gretchen saying that she was roofied. Now, first of all, I'm like, okay, so the layers of who and who is and isn't trusted or believed is kind of crazy to me because all of a sudden, Gina's reporting as if it's a fact what she heard on the phone from a journalist who presumably heard from Kiki Monique that Katie said this thing that Gretchen said. And so it's like literally like a labyrinth of like, okay, so I believe Gretchen saying that she didn't say it. So therefore,

I believe Katie saying that she did it. So I don't believe Kik, like it's so complicated. And this is part of why I'm getting frustrated with this whole rabbit hole that they've gone down the last few episodes on OC, because if you can't explain in 30 seconds the crux of the drama on a housewives show, I think you have lost the plot. And I think that, you know, sometimes we are so lost in the sauce of like, oh, yeah, we want scandal and we want, we want intensity and, and just. you know, earth-shattering drama. And it's like, I actually would love for somebody to argue about serving champagne in the wrong type of glass right now.

That would be a fresh of breath air, as Teresa might say. But no, we're going back down the rabbit hole of who said what at the lunch with Kiki Monique. And then we're also now having conflicting reports over what Gretchen did or didn't say or think or feel at this, okay, we got a backup. So in the fall, before filming started, Gretchen, Katie, and Jen, and their respective husbands, fiancée's in the case of Slade, they've never gotten married, remember that. They all went to a meal at Mastro's together. Mastro's getting a lot of, a lot of free promo on OSE these days. Jen says that Gretchen said, even talking about it,

I'm like, so Jen says that Gretchen said that she... So Jen and Katie both agree that Gretchen said she went to the hospital the morning after the naked wasted dinner. Because she drank so much, she felt sick, she went to the hospital. That's kind of where Jen finishes telling the story. Katie adds on a little bit and says, at the hospital, they did this test and they found drugs in her system. Katie says that that's what Gretchen said. Now, Gretchen, who was actually there at the... naked wasted dinner, she can't seem to really put her finger on whether or not she went to the

hospital. Because in this episode, and this is part of what's so frustrating, we see her saying she went to the hospital, two other women in the group. There are multiple, multiple footages of her saying she went to the hospital or that she, you know, went to urgent care or the doctor or whatever. And then in her confessional, in 2025, Gretchen says, no, I didn't go to the hospital after naked wasted. I probably should have. I got so sick from drinking so much. So suddenly, I'm not going to believe anything that Gretchen is saying. And this is kind of what is, what feels, it feels like we're taking crazy pills watching this because Katie and Jen and whoever else are like still sort of thinking that they should go to bat for what Gretchen is

saying and it's like, Gretchen is out here contradicting herself on camera. I wouldn't go to bat for her in a fucking little league game, let alone this is the big leagues. This is the World Series. I do feel like Katie, this is tough. Katie has maybe gotten a little bit too much of the heat in this specific situation. Now, do I think Katie is a little too messy for her own good? Yeah. Do I think that Katie has made some unfortunate choices in who she's speaking to kind of how she's moving through this ecosystem? Yeah, she's screwed herself over a little bit. But watching this week's episode, I'm like, oh, Gretchen and Slade are kind of in the back of the kitchen here putting some extra ingredients in the soup. Like they are, well, not extra ingredients in the soup in that way. They're like, they're cooking something up here.

And when Katie says that after this dinner at Mastro's, Slade called Matt and basically was like telling him that they needed to, you know, stand with Gretchen and uphold kind of her side of the story, that to me reeks of. being calculating, being a little manipulative, having a little bit of a plan. And keep in mind, if this was happening in the fall, this was before they had started filming yet. Gretchen maybe knew that she was coming back to the show or in talks to come back to the show. But the fact that Gretchen and Slade were seemingly kind of working on setting this up before they even started filming for the season, that to me is the most interesting piece of information we've gotten in the last couple episodes. Because I feel like so far, you know, Gretchen is so focused on why would I believe Tamara, who's done something wrong to everyone in the group versus not believing Katie, who's never done

anything to me? And it's like, I actually think it's kind of the other way around. That I think Katie and Jen probably both have good reason to now be skeptical of Gretchen. Because if it seems, you know, very likely that Gretchen did tell them some version of this Rufi story, whether or not she said the word Rufi, I don't know. Saying that they did tests at the hospital and they found drugs in your system is enough, I think, to give the impression that something nefarious happened. And now it feels like Gretchen has kind of tried to smooth that over and be like, I never, I never said. Why would you say, I never said that? And if I were Katie and Jen, I would be taking a good long look at my relationship with Gretchen right now. Because, look, Tamara Judge is a beast of her own.

That's a whole other, you know, pile of questions over there. But like, why are we trusting Gretchen? Why are we trusting Gretchen? Gretchen has been here seven minutes and she has spent 6.9 of those minutes coming after Tamara. And now it really feels like she has made some choices to kind of get the heat off of herself and instead have Katie be kind of the person who's out here taking the fall a little bit. And look, I'm not necessarily team Katie in everything, but I am kind of like, I think Gretchen is kind of the source of this.

And I hope that that kind of gets dealt with, but more than anything, I hope that we can really move on from this Kiki Monique blogger, naked-wasted story arc, because it just isn't really delivering for me. I think it was fine as something to come up over the course of the season. Like, I don't think it's, like, weird that we're talking about it at all. I just don't think it's delivering in the sense of being, like, the main storyline for the group that is really now, for the last few episodes, sucking up all of the oxygen in this group. You know, there are other things I would love to hear about.

There are other arguments, other feuds, other, you know, funny moments that I would love to focus on. And I don't really need every conversation to be about what a journalist said that Katie said in a lunch with a different person seven months ago. Let's all agree to move on, shall we? Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-Dienine for both kiddos and grown-ups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance. Find Ollie's sleep solutions for the whole family at ollie.com.

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How many of you, really, how many of you are sitting down on a Thursday at 9 p.m. And saying, finally, I can watch my new episode of Real House House of Orange County. You're watching that shit on Peacock. You're watching it over the weekend. You're watching it the next day. Whenever you're watching it, they're getting a view. That's all they need. Miami, there has been so much discourse this season about how they have the lower.

lowest ratings ever and it's, you know, why aren't people watching? I think plenty of people are watching Miami. They're just not watching it on Bravo, Wednesday night at nine. So I imagine that the reason for this change is basically that they think more people will watch these shows if they're kind of paired together, maybe. But ultimately, it doesn't really matter to them. So when they're looking at the calendar and now you see like Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Sunday night are all pretty much blank right now on Bravo. I don't actually think they care. They've got bigger fish to fry.

And also we've got Salt Lake is going to be on Tuesdays in just a few weeks. It's the end of summer. I don't know. I barely want to be inside. But Miami, still in Sevilla this week, we pick up where we left off at this dinner, where Lisa has found out that she has, you know, an hour to sign to get some form notarized. it's very like amazing race task. It's like so you're in Seville, Spain,

and you have one hour to get the form notarized and, you know, send it over to Lenny so you can get the prize pot of divorce money. And then you have to make it to Marbeia, but can you go on Steph's plane? You'll have to beg your way on to there. Lisa really is doing, like, it's like she's a video game character

trying to make her way across Europe. She's on a train, she's on a plane, She's on a bus. Jody, though. Jody texting Larsa the paragraphs. I just like, I don't, I don't want to think about Jody. I don't want to hear from Jody. I kind of have had enough of him.

Like, Lisa even annoys me sometimes. So I'm just like, I would love for Jody to just, like, not be a part of this narrative. I agree with Larsa, like, get this man off of my phone. I don't want to hear you. hear from him. But the bigger thing, the bigger thing. So Lisa figures out the notary. She has like a, I didn't know a virtual notary was a thing. Is that like, is that legit? Because usually like the notary, when you have to get somebody notarized, they have that big stamp and like the custom stamp with

their name on it, like kind of, kind of cute, right? And then they have that like other stamp that actually leaves like the, it's kind of like a, like a, this is so bad. Like the, the stamp that leaves like the texture in the paper. You can't do that over Zoom. That's, you can't do that over FaceTime. I would love to know how to, how a virtual notary works. That seems exciting. Um, but she gets the thing sorted. She comes back to the table. She's like, you guys, it's all good. And it's not all good. It's not all good because Larsa's pissed off. Now Lisa says that Larsa's playing the victim, but she's actually the villain. And Larsa saying Jody involved himself when they were in Milan.

Just with the two of them, you know, Larsa says she wants to remove herself from the friendship. I'm in support of that at this point. Because like, I don't need them to be enemies, but I also just don't want to listen to them argue anymore. They're not like fun arguers, I feel like. they just kind of get obnoxious. But Marisol steps in and she brings up what she saw earlier, which was Lisa taking notes about the women. Now, this has become, I feel like, a hot button issue in the last year because, of course,

last season on Real House of Salt Lake City, Brittany got caught recording in the sprinter van. You know, we've had a couple, a couple incidents. Obviously, Katie recording Shannon at the reunion. in last season on OC. And now Lisa taking notes in real time about things that Larsa is saying to her, presumably so that she can refer back to it at some later time and use that information for some gain of hers. Now, do I think that this is like a federal offense punishable by jail time? No, but I also understand why for the rest of the women in the group, they would see that or hear that

and be a little bit like, why are you taking notes? It is a little bit like, and Alexei says this, she's like, this is a group of friends. This is not, we're not in a court of law. She's, because Lisa's whole thing is like, you guys don't know what I've been through the last few years. I've been in court. I've been dealing with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, right, right, right, right, right. We do know about that.

And this is specifically a different scenario. And I mean, obviously, there are varying degrees of, of authenticity when it comes to the idea that Housewives is like a friend group or is like us just a circle of women. We know they're co-workers. We know they're all, you know, in this business game, whatever. But it is a little bit like, to me it's like pushing the edge of that a little bit to take notes and to like basically have a legal reason for it. The thing is, it's like just write it down when you get back to your hotel room. Don't have the notes app out in the of the conversation, you got to be like a little, a little smarter with that. Because Alexia's like,

girl, I've been taking mental notes for years with these ladies. I have to remember everything. Now, Lisa, I don't know how much, you know, room in there she has for, um, remembering things or whatever, you know, she's worried about, you know, how her perfume is doing or, you know, Lenny's new mistress or whatever. But it does, it is a little bit to me like, oh, you should have been a little smarter with how you were playing that. But Lisa will never admit she's wrong. So, you know, she's going to stand ten toes down on taking notes, whatever. The next day, the group splits up, of course. And our two activities for the day are a tile painting class, some classic Spanish tile that they're going to, you know, ruin with their kindergarten artwork. Or the city of

Sevilla, and they're going to the Alcassar Palace and, you know, the cathedral there is very beautiful. In this case, I would definitely pick exploring the city. You know, I really like a history-filled trip somewhere. So if there's like historic sites to be seen, you know, a tour to be taken, that's definitely what I'm going to lean toward. But definitely I would say that the tile painting class lends itself a little better to, you know, gossiping and talking shit and catching up on sort of the things from the night before. And let me tell you, the woman leading this tile painting session looks fascinating. by everything that is going on in this conversation. I'm not sure how much of this she's picking up.

But man, that just if I could be, if I could have any job in the world, tile painting class instructor, specifically when the real househouse of Miami are there. That's what I'm aiming for in my next life. But Alexia, of course, on her tile, you know, they get to choose their own designs, and they're also beautiful. and Alexia does the A with the heart and the T

and there's a turtle, a turtle, because they saw a turtle on their honeymoon, it was swimming up. The Alexia and Todd saga, you guys, I feel like it's getting worse every week. Because first it's like, oh, yeah, I saw him last night, we made out. Who among us has not? You know, we've all gone back into the waters

that we shouldn't have gone back into. And then it's all we spent a weekend in New York. Again, you know, you'll mind. live once, life is short. Now she's like a full, like, teenage girl crush painting her tile with their initials in a heart and a turtle because they saw a turtle on their honeymoon. Snap out of it. Alexia. Oh my God. Like, if my friend, if I went to a tile painting class with my friend, even if she was in the healthiest relationship in the world. If she could pick absolutely anything she wanted to paint on her tile and she painted

her and her boyfriend's initials in a heart, I'd be like, boo, corny, tomato, paint anything else. God, oh my God, it's so lame. Oh, like, I guess that she's, she has some complicated emotional things to work through, but like, pick a different design. fuck's sake. Like, what, you're going to bring that home and you're going to like give it to Todd? He's going to be like, what is this? I don't want this weird shitty tile.

He's going to be like, you couldn't have bought me like a watch or something? I don't want a tile. But they're talking about whether Lisa should still be invited on the plane to Marbea because it turns out that they're going to Marbea to see Julia's friends. and it's actually going to be really special because Julia's going to invite these friends to be the godparents of her baby boys. And so, of course, now, because Larsa and Lisa aren't getting along,

Stephanie is very worried about Lisa coming on the plane because the thing is I think that Steph, and what I'm continuing to see from her is, like, she cares about her husband a lot, she cares about these ladies a little, and she cares about her plane more than anything. She's very concerned that Lisa does not have a good understanding of what she calls jettiquet. And she says, the first rule of jettiquet.

I already know that she does not respect. Beyond time. She's going to be late to the plane. First rule of jettiquette. Already messed up. I just am like, okay, if you're worried about Lisa coming on the plane and ruining Julia's special moment, at least frame it that way. Don't frame it as, oh, she's going to cause a commotion on my plane.

enough about the plane. Nobody cares. So basically, it is funny, though, that Stephanie frames this as, Hey, Larsa, my good friend Larsa, are you sure you're okay with Lisa coming on the plane now that she's been horrible to you? Are you sure you're okay? And it's like, just say you don't want her on the plane. It's like when you ask like, hey, does anyone want fries for the table?

If anybody else wants fries, feel free to order them. I would share them. It's like just order the fucking fries. You know you want them. Just kick her off the plane. If it's going to make you feel better, if it's going to make you feel better that her like zipper isn't going to break the seat, just don't invite her.

And then deal with the consequences. Because what you shouldn't do is frame it as, oh, Larsa would be so uncomfortable. Oh, it's Julia's big special day. So I just think, ah, it might be best if you don't come. No, just own it. Own it, baby. If you don't want Lisa Hawstein on your fucking plane, you tell her that. What you shouldn't do is, like, beat around the bush and come up with excuses.

But anyway, she tasks Julia and Marisol with delivering the news about the plane. And I, this was so funny to me because Julia's like, as the hostesses of the trip, it falls to us to share the news. And it's like, that doesn't make sense. It's Stephanie's plane. But they end up kind of like softballing this news because they don't really kick her off the plane. they say that on the plane and when they get to the house in Marbea, they need to put their phones in a basket. That the issue is that they're uncomfortable with Lisa being on her phone 24-7 because they think that she's taking notes about them. I'm like, wait, sorry.

How do we get from the issue being that Lisa's going to cause a scene and make Larsa uncomfortable to the issue is that we are scared you're taking notes about everything we say? But Lisa freaks out. She's like, I cannot. She's like, I'm a mother. I'm a mommy. I need to have my phone on me because I have children. Mind you, Julia literally just adopted two baby boys. You know, many, many people in this cast have children.

But it's funny, it's so strange to me. And again, I don't, I have no comments on anybody's like parenting choices. It's not worth it. but when she's saying, you know, Marisol's asking like, oh, is there somebody in Miami if there's an issue who can like step up, like, Lanny, Jody, and Lisa's like, they're not Jody's kids. Why would he? Yeah, but like, you live together? Like, does he not? I guess I'm confused.

I'm like, who is watching the children? Because presumably, like, the emergency contact is there's somebody with the, it's not like. they're just hanging out at home and if there's an emergency, Lisa will get a call. It's like, who are they with? Also, like, you can, to me, I think the phone basket, you can put the phone in the basket and just keep the ringer on. So if your phone rings, you can go over and say, oh, it's the nanny, I better take this. But you're not like, there's, I think Lisa's being a little bit obtuse where it's like, there's a difference between, like, physically being able to reach your phone and having your phone out 24-7 typing while somebody's calling you a bitch

and you're like, I'm writing in the notes app that you called me a bitch. Two different things. Anyway, the big breakthrough for the day is that Lisa has finally unfollowed Marcus on Instagram. She does this, you know, through the coaxing and careful, you know, consideration with Adriana and Kiki and Gertie. They're like, you know, I know that you don't want to do it just because Larsa said to, but don't you think, don't, don't you think. She's like, fine, fine, fine, I'll do it. She does it. And then the four of them, Pinky promise that at dinner that night, they will not bring it up because I guess they don't want another scene. She doesn't want it to seem like she did it for Larsa. Whatever the reason. Fine. Pinky promise happens. They go to

dinner. Lisa, of course, running late for dinner. This is so funny to me because Lisa makes a whole big thing out of it. She's like, no, I don't want to go to dinner. I'm not going to go to dinner. I have to put my phone in a fucking basket. And then she like does a 180 and she's like, you know what? Actually, I am going to go to dinner. I'm not going to let these ladies, you know, ice me out of this trip just because they don't want me to have evidence of all the things that they've said about me. So I'll show them. I'm going to go to dinner two hours late. They are literally, they're like eating their food, Lisa, nowhere to be seen, which gives Andriana plenty of time to tell Larsa about the unfollowing of Marcus. and Kiki and Grady are like, babe, we did the Pinky Promise.

We said we weren't going to say. What are we doing right now? Adriana, to her credit, like, in the flashback of them doing the Pinky Promise, I do not think she was listening. Because she's kind of like looking off into space. She's appreciating the splendor of Sevilla. That being said, I mean, she heard something. I mean, like, they said it right in front of her. But so she's like, oh, I didn't know. I didn't know. Sorry, whatever. Oops, you didn't know.

So then when Lisa finally does show up again, two hours late, which Stephanie, you know, notes for us, immediately Kiki. And it was like, by the way, Adriano opened her big mouth and told Larsa that you unfollowed Marcus. And this is where things really go south because Adriana looks at Kiki. And she tells her to stop being so ratchet. Now, Adriana, I just gave you the benefit of that out with that pinky promise thing because you were off in your own world. But this is not, it's not good. It's just such a, it's such a like bad choice of word to use in every sense because it's like, it's bad because it isn't correct. Like it's not the, it doesn't make any sense.

They show Gertie and the confessional reading the definition. It's like, I don't know. Even Alexia is like, I don't think that was the word she meant to use. I don't think that was right. It doesn't make sense. And then also on top of that, it really has a microaggression, racial kind of undertone to it that whether intentional or not is just like bad news. And Kiki, I think, really interprets it that way.

Understandably so. And so she's pissed off. She's freaking out. She says that Adriana is too old to be acting this way. Which objectively is true. And I don't think that she, saying you're too old to be acting that way is not the same as calling someone old. But Adriana, of course, takes it that way. So she's like, oh, I'm old.

I'm old. And Alexei's like, is she old? I guess, I don't know. We're old. And Marisol's like, you just called me old. So now it's funny that you're old. I mean, Audriana's like 60 years old. Is that old in, you know, the grand scheme of things?

Is she like an old lady? I don't think so. But like, is she too old to be calling Kiki Ratchet because she brought up the thing that she said that she wasn't supposed to say? Yes. That's, that's, she, Adriana is like behaving immaturely. So I think, I mean, I think Kiki calling, saying that she's too old for this is not really any kind of horrible insult. But also, I think even if it was, it's like she, Adriana hit first. But they really just kind of escalate from there.

The two of them are just going back and forth, and it's a lot. Lisa starts some speech about how she finished her divorce stuff with Lenny and Adriana jumps in and she'll start, sorry, I have to go back to Miami to babysit because that's what grandmothers do. It's just, it's theatrics, it's circus, it's theater, and the rest of the women are not here for it. Alexia, Marisol, Steph, Larsa, leave the table. they're like, this is disgusting.

This is embarrassing. How dare they to make us look like fools at this table. And I love in the, they're in the car. And suddenly these four women are just like getting along. And it's like, okay, Steph and Alexia are now bonding over being annoyed at how loud Kiki and Autriotta were being at dinner. Okay, whatever. And Larson's like, yeah, like when I argue like, I'm like, soft. I'm like quiet.

Like Larsa. Larsita. That's not true. It's just not. But Steph is now having a breakdown because she is so stressed about all of this that's going to be coming on to her plane. Everything comes back to the plane with Steph. She's literally having like a panic attack in the back of the car because she's thinking about how stressful it is that there might be drama on her plane. Time and place. I just And what's so funny is that Alexia is like really comforting her over this. And I appreciate in that moment that Alexia is like, my feelings about Steph don't really matter because I would like her to just like feel better in this moment.

I think that's a good human reaction compared to maybe Adriana what she's got going on. It showed a little bit of maturity on Alexia's part. but then things kind of spiral a little bit when they get back to the hotel and Steph cannot stop worrying about the plane so she is literally sketching out

like the floor plan of the jet and trying to figure out where she's going to put Lisa in this fucking like prisoner seat that's separated by a wall from the rest of the plane so she's going to what sit there and think about what she's done

it is so ridiculous like what why are you so concerned about the plane? She keeps saying it's a 22-minute flight. It's a 22-minute flight. Like, I don't give her a sleep. Give them a sleeping pill. They won't even be awake for the flight.

It's so, it's just like every time I feel like Steph has really struggled to break out of this box that she is kind of putting herself in of seeming like she is incapable of caring about anything more than her burkins and her planes and being the hardest worker in the land and being obsessed with her, you know, older husband. It's like you are showing us three things and only those three things and really just doubling and tripling down on them in a way that I'm just like, I want to see one more thing. Just one. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going to happen on this plane? But she is going to make sure that everybody has her Venmo. So if they're, if they're zippers or, you know, anything they're doing kind of like rips,

damages, anything, they will be getting charged. And I believe that. Because that's a, no matter how rich stuff is, she says, oh, you scuffed my plane, that'll be $1,000. And I believe she will chase you down for that. She will hit, she will send you the reminder on Venmo. that's the thing like if I request somebody on Venmo it feels like the most aggressive thing in the world to hit that reminder button Stephanie without a second thought I bet she hits the reminder button on Venmo 10 minutes later she says hello hello I'm I'm at work I'm clucked in why have you not sent me my money remind and I guess that's how the rich stay rich They're sending reminders on Venmo. That's her finance tip for the day.

What a time. I do love having two Housewives franchises to recap. And I hope that OC can find something else to talk about. Miami, we'll see what happens in Marbea. We'll see who makes it on the plane. How about that? But until next time, thanks everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, subscribe, follow the show.

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