Mention It All - Does Messy Fessy Get FOMO? Ft. Jenn Fessler

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Deep into her second season on RHONJ, Jenn Fessler returns to the studio for a much-needed catchup with Dylan. Right off the bat, she dishes on the vibe shifts this season, and how the group got to such a fractured place. They discuss her new position within the group, and how she tries to navigate such difficult relationships without making more messes. She also speaks to the divisive nature of the show on social media, how she approaches it, and where she sees things going after this season. Later, she recaps her recent meeting with Summer House breakout West, and who she wants to recruit to her Messy crew next. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, though. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today I am so excited to be joined by a returning guest. She is back for her second season on Real Housewives of New Jersey. It's Jen Fessler. It's me.

Hi, Dylan. Hello. How are you doing? I'm doing well. How are you doing? I'm doing so great. We're like five episodes into this season of Real Housewives of New Jersey. It's been a whirlwind already.

I feel like, you know, there's something in the air with Jersey this year. It's the name on everybody's lips. Yes. I think that's true. I think there's something in the air for Jersey every year. It's just this is like, for whatever reason, it just, it's even more over the top. Yeah. So what is it like coming back for your second season?

I feel like last year when you were here, it was like, oh, we're just getting our toes. where, you know, having a little fun with the cheese and all of that. But, like, this year I feel like Jen Fessler is really like, kind of a central figure. You're in the mix a lot. I'll always be a friend of. I don't, well, always. Who knows? Who knows?

But, yeah, it's a different season for me. Last season was just really just fun. It was me floating in and eating cheese and floating out and being messy. And, yes, for whatever reason, I'm a little more in the drama this season. I would definitely say the last season was more fun. This season is more intense. How's that? That's a pretty like neutral word, right?

Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah. It could be good intense, bad intense. Besides, obviously, knowing the women a little better in your second year, do you feel like you approached the season with a different mindset or intention? Or was it just kind of like, okay, we're starting back up. It is what it is.

There was stuff that happened in between season 13 and season 14. Yes. And so I knew that it wasn't going to be the same, right? And going into 14, it was very clear that certain people were not going to film with other people. We didn't have any of that in season 13. So the dynamics had definitely changed. I didn't know that things would change as much as they have. No one could have predicted that.

So there have been changes that I think have been just off the chart and stay tuned and more of them to come. Yeah. I think knowing that we were going into this season in a place of such, you know, lines in the sand with some of some of the people on the group, it feels like because you are somebody who kind of naturally can get along with a lot of people, can have a laugh with anyone, like, that you kind of made sense as that person who was like, okay, like, I'm here. I can fill a gap. I can film with anyone that that kind of is like a weight on your shoulders almost. I want to be that person. I aspire to be Dolores Catania, right? Like I'm like, what's wrong with Switzerland? Switzerland is one of the most beautiful places in the world. So I like to think of myself as somebody who can get along. with everyone. And even if I don't agree, I can listen and I could hear other people's perspectives and point of view. But that did not go over so well for me, unfortunately. Yeah, Dolores was here right at the beginning of the season and we talked about like how much effort it takes to be to be neutral and also how much kind of you really have to be

intentional with everyone to make sure that they know that you have, that you don't have like a negative, you know, ulterior motive or something. And I don't think. you do, but maybe it's that you don't have the history with everyone or maybe that, you know, there's just too much kind of noise going on with the show. But it is, it seems so challenging on this show in particular to kind of stay. Well, yeah. I mean, I've been in therapy for many, many years. And I feel like that has served me. I don't know if it looks like it's serving me right now because I'm not, you know, I unfortunately, I'm not, I haven't done a great job of letting everyone know that I love them and that I'm open to, not only my open to friendships, I'm a loyal

friend. But the point is that I have definitely learned to listen and I've learned to hear people's truths and hear that there's always there's always two sides to everything. And I do pride myself on being, you know, a person that doesn't just jump and get nasty, but first takes in somebody else's point of view. Again, it hasn't worked that well for me so far this season. And there were women that I was obviously, you know, like Margaret and I have been friends for years, Rachel Food and I got very close, very quickly, season 13. Then there were women that I wasn't as close with, but certainly not on bad terms with, like Teresa.

So, yeah, I mean, it's hard to be in the middle. Yeah. And I think it's really hard this particular season. Yeah, there's, obviously, there's a lot of kind of heightened feelings within the group. And seeing, seeing your kind of sit down with Rachel a week or two ago on the show, I think was, it kind of, it caught me off guard in a way because I was like, like, oh, like, obviously I knew you two were friends, but it's like kind of the, the depth of the relationship and, and the degree to which Rachel felt like she had been let down or there was

some, you know, because of what was going on with her husband and the rumors and stuff. But it's like, oh, this is like maybe more serious than I realized it was going to be. Which I got a lot of flack for that for saying that we were best friends and everyone knew that we had met just, you know, a year ago, a year before. And she got a lot of flack for that. But I will say we were very close very quickly and it was very special but things for rachel and i started to come apart a little bit before we even started filming season 14 we had a difference of opinion about a couple of things um i think that maybe i wasn't who rachel thought i was and maybe rachel wasn't who i thought she was uh not necessarily like a bad way but we were still getting to know each other and then

unfortunately it just the the boy just grew greater and and greater. But it's still, it's sad. I mean, Rachel didn't do anything to me that's so horrible. And I really don't think I have done anything to her that's so horrible. But yet here we find ourselves. Yeah. I mean, I think like you said, you guys got really close last year, but it's, it's, you don't necessarily have the length of history with her. And that's the kind of thing where you look at a show like this. And it's like, oh, maybe over the course of five, six, seven years, there could really be, you know, absent flows there. As, as two newbies going in, right? I mean, this is a whole new world. So we're going from both of us living in obscurity to all of a sudden being on the housewives of New Jersey and everything that goes along with that. And we were kind of partners in it. And so, you know, a lot of times friendship, they say is like shared experiences. And we were sharing experiences that were wild and just enjoying it all together, right? Like being close to Rachel made season 13 even that much more fun, right? It was new. It's all, it was a lot. It was all, it was a,

all new for us. But no, we haven't known each other for years, but still, you know, it still obviously was hard for both of us when it came apart. Yeah. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people. Join the Nordie Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. Girl, winter is so last season.

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It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. Going into this season, the conversation around last season's reunion became a whole thing. Obviously, you were like involved in the information there about this meeting that happened at Margaret's house. Did you kind of,

did you anticipate that that would end up being such a thing that would get spun on the show? No, I didn't. And I think that partially, because in my mind it made sense people meet before the reunion, right? Yeah. The reunion is can be a bloodbath. So why wouldn't you want to get together with people and kind of, you know, talk about

what could happen, what would happen, you know, kind of clarify your thoughts, get organized, think about the message that you wanted to deliver. So I didn't know that that was, you know, such a- like a bomb to drop, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I definitely did not predict that it would turn into that. And I know that I had said something at the reunion. to maybe it was Joe and John about you guys didn't open up the envelopes or whatever it was, the miller envelopes.

In my mind, they brought these manila envelopes. And I, by the way, there was stuff in those manila envelopes. Right. Like, I know there was because I was there than it before. But the point was like, we didn't even get resolution. Nothing happened. Like, maybe we could have gotten somewhere. Right.

It's not, it's a very black and white. Like, you brought the envelope and then you didn't open it. Open the eye. Yes. And like, again, I, That wasn't like there was nothing in them. I know that there were things in the envelope, but saying that, I guess, made it all sound very sort of shady and secretive. And whoever overheard me saying it, you know, thought that we were, you know, plotting a coup and there

was something very dramatic about the whole thing. So I think that I probably put my foot in my mouth a little bit there. Yeah. But it really, it was, I didn't think of it as a meeting to take down Louis. Yeah. Well, it's stuff. I mean, I feel like the reunions on any show, but on Jersey, in particular always get so charged. And like, you know, last season, Teresa made a strong stand of like Melissa's leaving the show and then she didn't. So I think like, it makes sense that if there was kind of anything lingering from that, that maybe it would get like, you know, they're going to take the strongest stance on it

to make it look like, you know, whatever. Agreed. I agree with you. But I noticed Dolores was like, yeah, people talk for the reasons. I mean, I don't get, I'm just started doing this 10 minutes ago. But like, to me, if I had been on a reality. show for years and years and there was a, I would get ready for it. Yeah.

I would talk to whoever my allies at the time were and kind of think things through. To me, there was nothing that salacious in saying, you know, you guys have vanilla envelopes and didn't open them, but it kind of became manila envelope gate. Yeah. Yeah. Going into this season, you touched on earlier knowing that there were certain people that weren't on good terms or like going to really want to spend time with each other. But I was happy to see right off the bat that we got everyone together in the premiere for

your birthday. Right. Me too. And we actually have had a good. number of pretty full group scenes. I mean, you weren't at Danielle's Bougy brunch, which we'll get to. But it's like everybody was at the shore. Everybody was at, you know, we've seen the group together. Correct. But starting with your birthday, what was it like, like, realizing that your birthday was going to be like this kind

of bringing, bringing everyone back together for the first time in a while and that there was some stuff going on under the surface there? I had a feel. feeling. Okay, so I was definitely shocked when I walked into the restaurant and saw that amount of people and people from, you know, Upper Sattel River where I live and my family from Long Island and it was so amazing and overwhelming. But I had a feeling that it wasn't just going to be a little sit down between, you know, me and four other women and, well, couples. So I thought maybe everybody would have said, you know what, for Jen's birthday, we're all just going to get together and sit down and, you know, surprise. And it was going to be nice like that. So I was hoping.

That's sort of how it was going to go. I walked into this crazy over the top, fabulous, wonderful, amazing party. There's like women with candy on their skirts. Yes, with candy on there. Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, then what happened happened. But we did film a lot.

I mean, I think as a cast, we just, just that two sides didn't speak to the other. Like, I mean, it was definitely there was like a line down the middle. But we had, I don't even know how many, but quite a few all cast seats. Yeah, I think watching the season, like, that has been sort of a relief. Because I think in my mind, I was like, okay, if we only watch, like, you know, Margaret and Melissa talking to each other and then Teresa and Jennifer talking to each other, it starts to feel like you're watching two separate shows. Right.

And at least, I mean, obviously, anybody watching the season, your mileage may vary. But I'm like, there's still a group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed. And I, listen, none of us had any idea going into the season what it was going to look like. Yes. And I don't think, certainly no one knew that it would, things would change. and alliances would shift and, you know, friendships would begin and end and all of that like

they ended up, you know, doing. So your relationship with Teresa has sort of like come, you know, under the microscope from Margaret and Rachel and. I don't know. Whoever, Melissa. Right. What is it like for you to kind of feel like your interactions are being watched so carefully because you seem like the kind of person who you're going to be friends with who you feel

like being friends with who's treating you well in the moment and you're not kind of keeping a you know, tallied list of all the pros and cons. Yeah, no, I like to think of myself like that as well. I certainly did not predict that giving Teresa a hug at the end of the conversation would have resulted in the end of my friendship with Rachel Fuda or that I would like, you know, incite such vitriol from so many. And I think, you know, I feel like, okay, so I'll be very quick about this. Okay. So my therapist told me the story. Okay. So there's a rabbi. And a woman walks into his house. Rabbi needs to talk to you. My husband is the worst. He doesn't work. He yells at the kids all the time. He's a lazy piece of shit. And the rabbi goes, oh, you know what? You're right. He sounds like the worst. You're right.

Okay, so then the husband comes in to see the rabbi and says, Rabbi, you know what? My wife is the worst. She is, she's not clean. She never wants to have sex. She's also yells at the kids, whatever, whatever. Oh, you know, you're right. Yeah, she sounds like the worst. And then they leave in the rabbi's son comes in and says, dad, rabbi, listen, you can't be right.

Like you said, she's the worst and he's the worst. And he's like, rabbi's like, yeah, you're right. They're both the worst. But like, so the meaning of that, obviously, is that there could be more than one thing happening at once, right? Like, there's everybody, I mean, it's such a cliche, right? There's the good, there's the bad, and then there's the truth. Yeah. But I like to think that I at least listen, that I listen to other point of view, to another point of view,

and that I don't just blindly accept one person's point and say, well, you know something? Guess what then, Teresa? F you. And I like to at least be open to listening. I mean, I think that's kind of important. I kind of pry myself on that. Yeah. What do you think?

Well, I think it's, I think it's important to, you know, look at situations with and like, try to be objective as much as you can, but then also to be loyal. I mean, I've definitely been accused of being not loyal, being a flip-flopper. Well, something that comes up in this group in a lot of different directions in the last few weeks in particular is the idea of like loyalty and specifically like, telling somebody who they can or can't be friends with, and that's come up with Jackie this season and with you a little bit and with Danielle and with, you know,

is Bill Aiden going to go to Joe's party? Right. Jen doesn't want them to talk. It's from a lot of different angles. And I feel like everyone always says that they wouldn't ever tell somebody who they can be friends with. But it's like, I don't think that's... I agree with you 100%.

We must be watching the same show. That's 100% true. I mean, I even saw it in last night's episode. I saw that Melissa was getting upset that Jackie was, you know, so easy to forget what Teresa had done. And that she, I think Melissa said, I'm not going to let you forget that. Something to that effect. Yeah, that she talked about her marriage. Yeah.

Yeah, but at the same table was Jen Aiden and Melissa ready to take Jen back in, even though Jen had been part of the rumor. So there's like a bit of a double standard. that absolutely goes on. Yeah, it's a little bit of like a revolving door sometimes of like, well, I'm not mad at her right now. So I'm not going to hold that thing against her. But then somebody else who did the same thing three years ago, we're still not going to forget that because I am mad at her right now. That's exactly right. Yeah.

You should produce a show. I don't know if I have that in me. It seems like a stressful job from what I gather. Yeah, well, fair enough. Fair enough. But I, yeah, I mean, I feel like, You can't claim friendships. And the other piece is that if we weren't,

we're all doing a job together. And so we see each other when we're filming, however many times a week. It's not a situation where you stop, somebody does something to your friend. And so you don't see that person again. And when you do, you give them the finger. It's, we're colleagues.

We actually work like for the same company. We work on the same floor. We have to see each other and we have to interact. Yeah. Despite what maybe some people have tried to do, which is not interact and work together. But anyway, so I'm not ready to, okay, you did something to my friend. I can't now, for the rest of the time that we work together, give you the finger and turn away.

I'd rather listen. Maybe we could figure this out. Yeah, I think, I mean, in a friendship sense, it's a nice idea that you're like, oh, I want to try and be friends with everyone. But also, it's like in a show context, it works better when people can at least like be at the brunch. Agreed. I completely agree. So, I mean, listen, I don't know, everybody has a different idea of what loyalty is. But in my mind, and I think you'll see this as the season, you know, goes on, I was always defending my friends.

I was in a situation where I was like, Therese didn't bring me over for a chat and I was like, you're right, John Fuda is that and Rachel Fudda is this. And Margaret says, no, I was like always defending my friends and trying to sort of make sense of what was happening. Even more so I think you'll see as the season goes on. But that was not good enough for my friends, clearly. Good sleep is everything. That's why Ali's science back support is made with a blend of melatonin and L-Dienine for both kiddos and grownups. So when your mind won't switch off, you've got something that can help. You're racing thoughts and restless nights won't stand a chance.

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So you were at Biscuit's birthday. I was. What was your take on the situation with this woman, Lena, talking about Danielle? Because I feel like watching the scene was one thing. And then in this past episode at Danielle's brunch, hearing kind of the explanation of it, I feel like they didn't quite match up. Well, okay. So tell me what you mean because I remember.

So at Biscuit's birthday party. Yes. Lena said that Danielle didn't want her in the VIP section. She had done her hair. She had opened up her shop for her. And then Danielle did the Ixnay on the... Yeah. And then in the scene at the brunch, Danielle admitted that.

I think she said, like, who is she? She's insignificant. The story matched up. To me, the thing that felt discordant was Jennifer's explanation of, like, how Lena got there. And because in the... At Biscuits... I was saying Biscuits Party, it was right?

She was like, I'd rather it come from Lena than me because I don't want to be the ones bringing this story into the group. Oh, come on. I mean, that's just silly. Exactly. And then she's like, I don't know, this. Lena's friends with us. She just was there. She had something to say.

I think that Jen had been harboring some resentment towards Danielle for a while. You know, there's stuff that happened in the off season, maybe a little bit like Rachel and I, but where the Jen didn't feel comfortable or Jen didn't feel comfortable and didn't feel good about. whatever it was. But do I think that Lena all of a sudden out of nowhere happened to be at Biscuit's birthday party and just, you know, recalled the story? No, I think that we could all probably agree that that was set up. Yeah, I'm like, look, Jennifer Aden tickles me to no end on this show. But like, I'm like, we've, we've known you for a fair few seasons.

Me too, me too. We know kind of how those wheels turn a little bit. Oh, 100%. What is it like being in those, at those events and those types? of moments when it's all happening in person. I feel like last season, we saw some like reaction shots from you where it was very like, oh my God. It's happening right here right now.

So that's the thing, right? I've been a viewer and a fan for so many years. And in my mind, I've done this all before. For years, I've been showing up to these parties and I've been watching this chaos and I've been seeing tables being flipped and people going crazy. It's very, very different in person. I don't love it if that's what you're asking. It's, I don't have, my constitution cannot handle that kind of insanity.

I mean, I do handle it and I go with it, but it's not fun. I don't love seeing people lose their minds. I like seeing people lose their minds when I'm watching it on TV. Yeah. You know, I like watching it in my bed eating popcorn and watching it happen, not as much when I'm there in person. Yeah. So like when you see the bougie brunch on TV, you're not like, God, if only I was there to get in the, in the thick of it. I, so that's the thing, right?

Like, I'm sitting there watching it, and I am in the thick of it in my own mind. And then, no, but like what I wanted to be there, well, if I could have been left alone and just been to fly on the wall, quite possibly. Yeah. But I always say, like, I'm not, I don't love confrontation. If you come from me, I'm not afraid. I'm not, Margaret's sort of painted me as this as weak sauce and I don't know, whatever else she said about me in terms of the season.

I'm not afraid of confrontation. Is it my favorite? No, I'd rather laugh. I'd rather have a good time ultimately. Yeah. For me at least. And again, who am I a newbie? I've been doing this for 10 minutes.

So maybe I'm just not used to it. Maybe there will come a day when things escalate and I don't even notice. Yeah. Well, I think it makes sense. Like, everybody kind of has, when they're new on a show that has been running for a long time, kind of the approach you take is really important. And I remember last season having three really strong new cast members on the show. I talked to all three of you.

And it was very like, Rachel had her approach where she was kind of like taking a second and letting it all sink in. And Danielle was very like from the, from the jump. Like, I'm going to have an opinion on everything. And I feel like there is kind of, there's no exact right way to do it because it depends on who you know and how the group is developing and whatever. But yeah, like you do have to have your opinions and tell people when you think they're wrong. I mean, I don't have a problem either saying when I think that people are wrong. Yeah.

No, I don't. I mean, I'd say it in the way some of my fellow cast members say it, but I don't, I'm not afraid of telling you, like, I don't agree. That doesn't scare me and it doesn't intimidate me, but I'm not going to do it. I'm going to try not to do it, like, in a way where you can't even hear what I'm saying because I'm yelling and nasty and calling names, right? Right. Yeah. And I think that's something that, you know, with the group as, as heightened as it is maybe this season, that it's tough to kind of like stand in that rational space. Maybe that's why the Bravo gods do better than to make me a housewife.

Who knows? Right? Look, no one could accuse you of being on the sidelines this season. That's true, too. I think you're getting in there just fine. Despite my best intentions. Yes. We have a lot of season left to go or just five episodes in.

You've kind of alluded to a lot of things that unfold maybe in ways that you weren't expecting or weren't happy to see necessarily. but we have a lot of sort of friendships that are in flux and, you know, people that are kind of, I mean, seeing Melissa and Jennifer this week kind of make a truce. I'm like, I don't know what the odds are on that. On that succeeding. Wait, what did you know, I find this so, I can't even do it. Amusing or something like that. She's like pointing across the table.

Yes, I find this so amusing. So freaking funny. So fucking funny. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's tough. I feel like we're going to be in a very different. place in like, you know, two months than we are right now even.

I'm not, I mean, yeah, I'm not saying anything else. So how do you approach watching the show, knowing that all of this stuff is going down, knowing that you have your own role in it? Do you, you know, like you said, you don't love seeing all of this chaos and all of that, but like how is it for you to watch the show and kind of just take it in? Again, last season was so different. I just loved watching it. It was so much fun.

And so much Ireland was like the greatest. I couldn't wait for it to come on and not. I don't feel. like that this season. And if I'm being honest, I make Jeff Fessler watch it first and report back. Okay. So I could be like just, you know, emotionally prepared for what's to come. Yeah. But yeah, like, listen, let's, I'm on TV. Like, it's the most ridiculous thing ever. I mean, I got on, I'm 53, now I'm, I was 53, now I'm 55 years old. And like, I'm on this TV show. And I get to watch it. And it's so, it's overwhelming and exciting. Yeah, it's also scary and

upsetting. But it's, I do, yeah, I see myself and it's surreal. It's really crazy. So I love that, that part of it. And also I'm sick to my stomach before it airs. Yeah. It also is, I mean, it is crazy just how, not just how many people are watching, but how strongly people feel about it. And how everybody watching the exact same show has polar opposite opinions on everything. And I think, you know, Jersey in particular, you, you guys live in a space that is very, very polarized, let's say. I think the Jersey fans, I've said this before, but they love so hard.

Yes. So they love these women so much that they also, that turns around, right? And if anyone's going to hurt their Teresa, then, you know, these women are going to, or not all of them, but a lot of the fans are going to come for you. And I think that, you know,

there's a passion that happens with Jersey. I've been on both sides of it. I prefer being light, but it's okay. I'm getting used to it. It's, um, I'm, I'm, I'm a big girl. So, but yeah, when the fans come for you, they come for you. Yeah. Yeah. It is so crazy. Because even, I feel like it except, I mean, Jersey has historically been such a like family franchise, you know, seeing kids grow up and, you know, sibling relationships and all of that. But like, even you get people that are like, we've seen, um, Antonia and, and, and Gabriella going to college at the same time. And people are like, oh, like, I'm sick of seeing Antonia, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, I love Gabriella. and like vice versa. It's like, it's the same thing.

I will say that when I will watch these kids, no matter what, maybe the idea to be a good parent, you have to join a reality TV show. Because each one of these kids is more fabulous than the next. They are all sweet and polite. Antonia goes to, well, my daughter just graduated from Delaware. And Antonio started her freshman. And my daughter, Rachel, loves Antonio.

She's the most adorable, sweetest, sweetest girl. I got to know Gia. And all of Teresa's girls are smart and sweet and respectful. So I don't know. I mean, they are doing something right, these Jersey moms. And no, I don't know who is comparing and contrasting kids, but that is not for me. Right. And that person shows up, I'm going to walk the other direction.

You, I saw last week you were in L.A. at the summer house, like watch party by Bravo or whatever. You were, you posted a video with West who people love. I'm sure you, I'm sure you experienced the West, uh, the West of it all hype in person, but you dubbed him messy Wessie. Messy, right, messy. I don't know if he loved that or not. We were both bombed. So I don't know if he like even really.

I don't know if he would like get the reference necessarily. I don't know how in the, in the Bravo. Yeah, there's no way that he would know. You're absolutely right. Because you know, he's never watched Jersey. That's the thing. When they cast these straight men on Bravo shows, it's like they, don't know what they're...

No idea. He actually said that to me. I had no idea. I was out of job and somebody came over and I was like, yeah, why not? Who knew that like he was going to have a New York Times article written about him, right? He didn't, right? He had some big article. Yeah, it's crazy, like a profile. Yeah. It is one of, I, you're not asking, but I'll offer this information anyway. The most adorable, sweetest, cutest, cutest young men. Really, he's just precious. He's like a golden retriever. Like he's just like you just want to like play with. him and pet. He's just adorable. What a sweet guy. Is there anyone else that you would be looking to recruit to the messy fessy team? Oh my God. There's so many hot messes in the world in the

housewife franchises. I mean, I don't really have to recruit them. I mean, you can go to any franchise. You're going to find, just like me, you're going to find plenty of hot messes. I mean, isn't that what makes a good housewife slash friend of a housewife? Yeah, we got to get you on the messy messy fessy road trip. Oh my God. Go to every city. I love that. Oh my God. Instead of crappy lake, messy lake. Okay. My wheels are spinning now. Yeah.

Got to get peacock on the phone. I love that. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, this season, it's shaping up to be a good one. How just how are you feeling kind of now that it's happening with with some left to go? What's your outlook right now? In terms of just do I feel excited for it, anxious about it or all of the above?

Yeah. And like, I mean, when you think about, you know, down the road, the future. Like, what's your kind of vibe? I think that it's no secret that things are changing in Jersey. So, and I think that it's unfortunate. And I think that these women have been magic for so long. And people have, you know, they've become household names. People have watched, again, their kids grow up.

They've watched their relationships work and then not work and then work again. So I don't know. I've no idea how things are going to change. but there's a definite sadness because at the root, hopefully, of most of the franchises, there's like a love between these women. You know, they experience this together,

and it's an experience like no other. So hopefully there's like something that bonds them. I don't know that there's so much love at the end of the day, like that this cast has so much love for each other, unfortunately. Which, again, it's sad. I mean, this has been, Jersey is iconic. And, you know, there are people that have, have grown up watching the Housewives of New Jersey.

And so, yeah, it's sad. Yeah. It's sad, but I think also, I mean, just personally watching the first handful of episodes this season, I feel like there is, it still feels like fertile ground in a lot of ways. Like, there still are relationships and dynamics and personalities that are giving us a lot to dig into. I would absolutely agree with that. I think that there's new relationships and there's stuff going on.

I mean, I don't, and again, I have never. no idea how things are going to change, but like I think everyone else, I think they are definitely going to. In what way? Who knows? Those are for wiser minds than mind. I would not want that job of figuring that out. I know.

It's like, well, everybody's going to ask you for the next three months. Oh, my God. It's constant. It's like a hobby. Like, I go home and at night, I'm sitting up. It's 2 o'clock in the morning. And I'm thinking, well, on this side of it is Teresa and Aiden. And on this side of it is Melissa, Margaret.

But if you switch out marketing. you put in Danielle and here goes Rachel Fuda. And I'm like, all of a sudden I'm like, you dumb bitch, go to sleep. And then there's the like bring back Danielle's job. Oh, yes, the Danielle stop of it all. It's like everybody that's ever been on the show is like theoretically. Yes. Yes.

Still in the mix. Right, right. That's so funny. Well, we'll see how it plans out. But I'm glad that we got to check in with you because I really am enjoying the season. Thank you so much. I love coming here, by the way. I love the whole office.

We love having you here. It's very pink and fabulous. Yeah. You're very pink and fabulous. I know. Today, pink and orange. Thank you for having me. Thank you for being here.

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