Mention It All - Don’t Cockblock Luann Ft. Liza Treyger

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

Back for a fresh week, Dylan is joined in the studio by one of THE funniest Bravo fans, comedian Liza Treyger. They chat about Liza’s recent Netflix special, which features a dramatic retelling of a particularly wild episode of RHOA. Liza talks about how far back she goes with reality TV, and then gets into some of her hottest takes on current Bravo drama. They get into Kenya’s messy departure, Kathy Hilton’s tiring schtick, and how Liza feels about the upcoming Next Gen: NYC show. Later, they also discuss Liza’s love for SVU and true crime, and how she makes room in her brain for so much trash TV. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Who's on check me, though Hey everyone, welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am very excited to be joined today by a hilarious comedian and a fellow Bravo lover You know her from her special on Netflix Night Owl

and her podcast, that's messed up. Lisa Trager, hello. I'm so thrilled to be here. I'm thrilled to have you here. Well, you'll never remember this, but one time I was walking in Williamsburg and I saw you on a bench. And I, and I just went out, and I went, do you have a Bravo account? And you said, yeah. And I go, I love it. And then I walked away. Wait, what? I was with my sister. Yeah. And she goes, that's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

That's crazy. Yeah. I, okay. So I, I've seen, like, I've seen some of your stuff. And then the clip that made me be like, oh, like, get her on the fucking podcast was in your special, you retell an episode of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah. Cynthia's Bachelor at Party. Yeah, and it needed no. People are like, what's the joke? I go, nothing.

I just recap it. That, that, like, segment of your special to me was, like, so hilarious and perfect because it doesn't matter whether anyone has seen it or not. And obviously, it's going to be a mix in a crowd like that. But, like, all you have to do is just say what happened. Yeah, that Atlanta ladies bring it in a way that even the other ones don't. They are really sexual. Yeah.

They're really sexual in Atlanta in a fun way. From the setup for that of like Kenya arriving on the private plane and everybody else is in a sprinter van. The crab cake. I forgot about that. That was like what three years ago and it. It was COVID times longer. They were a shield. Yeah.

This was like they were isolated. They were. I think that's maybe why they went so wild too. What was it about that specific out of all the house. Wives canon, what is like, oh, this is, I'm going to spend five minutes on stage recounting this. I truly wish I remember the initial reason for that. And I wonder if it was a riff that became something. But I think maybe that episode-wide, it's extra-sacial is because it's from top to bottom. Yeah. Like there's huge moments like Scary Island or like Cartagena, but it's, it's not the like

the beats of a full hour like that one is. And just how naked it gets. And the end. I mean, she catches a shark. It's just like, it's bonkers, and you would never see any of it coming, and it's just, it's beautiful. That's what, yeah. And those vacations, like the COVID era, I also feel like we related to that a lot because we were all trapped. I hired a drag queen to perform in a backyard. You know what I mean? Like, people got desperate. People did get desperate. And thinking back to like, this drag queen was like melting. This was in L.A., melting in a garage. It was a surprise for our friend's 40th. We wanted her to feel special. And so it's, um, One of our friends was late, we're like, the drag queen is melting in the garage.

You have to get here. So, yeah, I think the COVID of it all that also connected. It's funny to think back because pretty much every Bravo show had at least one kind of COVID season. Yeah. And like those trips, man, it's like the absolute bottom of the barrel. Like, Real Housewives of Dallas was going to like a cabin in Oklahoma. I, that's the only one I've never watched. I've never watched Dallas.

I've only watched one episode. and it was when one of them wore the other one's dress, but shady. Yes. And Leanne's... Wear a dress anyway. Yeah, it had like 55 different ways you could wear it. Yeah. And then she got racial immediately.

And it was... That's the only episode I've seen, though. Okay. So I am sort of... Like, with certain exceptions, real Housewives of Dallas, like, had some real bright spots. And by that, I mean, some real darkness. And, like, they have a couple of... seasons in there. If you're ever like in some sort of shame spiral and you need something on

peacock that you haven't like already been to that well, Real House Housewives of Dallas might be might be something for you to consider. Might be for me. You're right. You're right. No, there's honest, yeah, there's going to be a moment where the summer. The summer is when it dries up for us, I feel. Like it's not as heavy on television. Atlanta is like on the track. But like Beverly Hills is about to end. I'm so sad about the Atlanta of it all. I really am. Watching her so enraged do this to herself was just really upsetting to watch. On her big night. Right. It sucked watching. It wasn't fun drama. It really made me upset. Like most of their faces looked upset too. What is your relationship to Kenya prior to this? Up and down. Like,

mad at her, love her, love. Because I think there's different categories of villains, and there's the villains that are, like, do, don't know, they don't know. Like, Ramona, I don't think it realizes she's a true villain. But Kenya, it's like, she's a plotter. She's Vanderpump. And we need those kind of, you know, genius people that are ready to go there. Yeah. It is just, like, unfortunate that somebody with that, I think that high of a drama IQ is being, like, completely taken down by her own machinations. But, I mean, sometimes I don't know if I have my own opinions or I just go from all the memes that I want, look, with all the Bravo accounts.

Like, I'm such a sucker for the edit and social media, but why didn't they have her back? Like, the girl brought up guns. Yeah. I don't get why no one even talked to her. And I was like, you can't actually do that. Well, yeah, no, it's, I was saying, you know, when I was talking about it, that it's like, this whole world is built on, like, crossing lines and getting close to crossing lines and how close, like, can we reel it back in and become friends again,

even though we've, you know, said awful things about each other's lives, yeah. So it's like, and then I want to know who printed these giant photos out. Did she go to Kinkos? Like, what was that? Well, and people were like, did nobody from production see those foam boards? Of course they did. And so then you're like, okay, was Kenya at the Kinkos or like, did she send, you know, did Ms. Lawrence have to go to the Kinkos? Yeah, I'm wondering how it got printed. Or when she saw that no one was into it, that she left, like, it's wild.

It's like, what's the being hoisted by your own petard? Yes. It's, you know, you don't really get to use that often. That's true. It's a good one. But she did it to her own. It's, like, devastating. I was excited to have the gang back together.

Yeah. I think that's something where, like, people a lot of the time are, people will have negative things to say about shows that don't have like a massive scandal going on or like some epic drama. And it's like sometimes like we just need the girls to be like bickering about dumb stuff and having fun. And it's I think this is the example of when like that's what we truly want. That's why Salt Lake. Salt Lake didn't have any drama this year really. Right.

It was chill and just funny. Yeah. It was just bat mitzvahs. When you were talking about that episode of Atlanta at the Bachelor at Party, that made me think of the real houseways of Salt Lake City. this season, Meredith's Bat Mitzvah was like a full episode. It was like a bottle episode where it was like, we're at the Bat Mitzvah. And same with the like premiere, the Bezos party or whatever, where it was like, yeah, this whole episode is going to be one party because there's just so many things to look at.

Yeah. And Brittany just, you know, called Mary Poor and then she never had a chance. It was like crazy watching it. She's like, I wear costumes too. She truly is, what a blessing. I don't know. Housewives are just. such a blessing and I was just happy to be able to talk about it in my special. And my life goal

was watch what happens live. And so like I had to. You were on with West recently. I was. How was that? It was better than I could have imagined. I wanted to be meaner to him. I was like talking shit all day. I was like I can't, and then he DM me something nice. And it was just like lovely. And we partied all night, but I forgot that they're younger than me. Oh. I really, I have to stop hanging out with such a youth because they really party. They really party. Also, it's like when your main gig is being on Summerhouse, like... Got a party.

The bars, the bar is at a different place. And it's like, oh, yeah, I guess, I guess this is kind of your big thing. Yeah, he was just nice to my friends. He brought Jen Fessler, which was like kind of wild. Because we walk in, one of my friends flew it, we walk in and I'm like, is that Jen Fessler? And she was there. Jen Fessler really, she's like out and about. Oh, she's out. She's out. But I think she wants back in. She wants on back. Like, yeah, she loves it. That's the thing. Well, that's what's sad. It's like she had one season. Yeah. Changed her whole body face, teeth. Everything looks amazing. And then out the next year. It's like she. Everybody from New Jersey and like old New York is in this weird liminal space right now of like, I'm a reality star. But what does that mean?

What am I doing for money? Where am I getting my next hit of attention? It's attention because they all have like, Jen has money. Jen has money coming in. Right. I mean, she has not made that much money being a friend of for two seasons on Real Houseways of New Jersey. No, it's the attention. Yeah.

It doesn't matter how rich you are. Like I remember Bling Empire, not Bravo, but that's what changed my person. Like, I go, these people are fully billionaires. You're an arms dealer's daughter. And yet you need to be on reality television. vision. Like, we're sick as, humanity is sick. If I had a billion dollars, I don't think anyone, you would never see me. Maybe at the cellar, you know, I love doing comedy, so I'd be out and about. I'd maybe do the fun cities, but I just can't imagine fighting for more if I was like that rich.

I have thought about this. Unless I'm Jennifer Tilly, or I would do it like Jennifer Tilly. Right. Jennifer Tilly's like, ha ha, yes, my necklace is a piece of history. I want to play poker with her. I want to be at her party house. Like, I want to do it. I like that she's like, I can neither confirm nor deny that I make more than seven figures a year up from The Simpsons. Like, we don't know what The Simpsons are worth. Like, that's what's crazy. Like, it's some secret, like, startup we don't know. The Simpsons just got renewed for, like, four more seasons.

Yeah. Because that's my other goal in life. It's like, watch what happens to be a voice on The Simpsons. I have, like, Simpsons tattoos. I love it. So, but yeah. So that means I have four more years to get successful enough to get on that show. And that would be a good gig.

Like, even if you're just in, like, every. third episode for like a little, a little minute. If I had, if I was just like a checkout, if I had like too long, I would lose it. I would lose it. I would even have to keep going. But you mean the money wise. Well, it's a nice steady, you know, if you can get in the rotation. Oh my God.

I got to go. Got to go. It was during COVID. I got to be in a Zoom table read. Okay. I got to lay in bed and watch them do a table read. That was fun. It's such a bit.

I got to go. Well, actually. I got to click a link. Yeah. So I got to be topples of bed and watch like a Duff Man episode be read. But Hank Gazario was there. I mean, it was like, yeah, I'm like a sucker. I just love TV.

I really need to get a life, read a book, but I can't. I don't think you do. There's just so many good shows. You said it your special that it's funny when you watch all reality TV and then succession feels like reading. You know, once I record the special, all that material, I never do it again. I mean, that's leave with this. And so I don't even remember.

the jokes anymore. Yeah. Like if someone said you have to do that, I would, it would be tough. Yeah. I'd probably figure it out. But yeah, it's a whole new world. It's like a snake shedding. I mean, we finish, we finish recording this and then immediately talk about like,

oh, like, what clip do you like for social? And I'm like, what do I say? God, the clips, I'm so fucking sick of me. And I'm also, I do feel bad for these housewives with the glam. I'm always like, just be yourself. And then I'm myself on this. And every clip I see, I'm like, this is a disaster. It's like so hard.

I get it. Yeah. I get it. I miss the era of natural, but I get why they like fucking glam it up. That is one thing where like going back to old seasons. And I'm not. Well, my friends, it doesn't even fit the screen. It's like a different technology.

The little box and it's every, I'll be like, oh, I want to make a meme at this moment. And I'm like, why is it so grainy? It's so wild. Wait, who's your number one housewife? I. Or you can't because you're in the business. It's tough for me. No, it's not because I don't want to piss anybody off.

It's tough for me to like actually. separate, but really I love Chiray. Okay, amazing. I actually, somewhere we have Sherey's novel. I look, oh no, that's make it nice. It's behind my, um... Okay. I just think Shiree is hilarious, first and foremost.

I think she is just the right level of delusional, which I think is important. Yes. And I think that she was like a great ensemble member. And I think that a lot of people's favorite housewives, are like the loudest voice in the room. And I just loved Chiray being like a piece of the puzzle. And I miss her. Well, and very quotable, you know, like she's part of kind of the makeup of, yeah, who's

going to check me, boo? You know? What is your like Bravo origin story? I like to ask people, where did you start? Truly episode one, O.C. 2006. Like, I don't, like, I was watching from the beginning. And I don't know how or why. But I watched, like, I was watching nine by design.

I mean, I was really like a bravo. I watched that spy game show. Did you watch with anyone in your family or like, did you have friends that were into it in the early days? No, because I don't even think I knew what it was. Like, I was, I truly had just graduated high school. I was in college. Like, I don't know. I don't know if I was talking about it.

But I also beforehand on MTV, I watched Rich Girls. I like my big, fabulous wedding, my sweet 16. So like, I was in that, like, that interest in me. And so I don't know. but I watch it from forever. And now it's the core of my most, my friendships, my group chats. Like, all my best, closest friends are Bravo heads.

But I'm trying to think when I found my Bravo people, probably when I started stand up, but I was 21 because Megan Gaylee, this comic, we kind of started together and we watched Bravo together. And she had regular girl roommates, you know, sorority girls. And so that's, I would sleep over and watch at her house. Yeah.

I guess that was my first. connection to a human that liked it. But I remember Joe and the thing. I remember being like, what's going on? Like, I don't know. But I, yeah, from the start. In those, like, early, early days, like, the whole structure was just so different. It was.

And there was so much less, like, apparatus around it of. Well, and I read Brian Moylan's book. Yes. And he, did you read it? I haven't read the whole thing, but yeah, yeah. Such, like, an academic. view of the housewives. And one of the things he said, it started as like a show about women and their families

and they would kind of come together. And then it switched to like the family is over there. Right. And we need you in the Bahamas or wherever. Girl, fuck them kids. Yeah. So good. So good.

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We finally have a trailer for NextGen NYC, which I don't know how I feel about the title. But it's housewives kids. It's Riley Burris, Candy's daughter. Ariana Bierman, Brooks Marks, and Gia Chudais. And then it's like half a dozen other young hotties of New York question mark. But they're 21, right? They can go to the bars? Yeah, yeah, great, great, great.

This is like young adults. Like, we're in our 20s in New York. Wow. It's interesting to me because I feel like the next gen NYC, it's like, is this next gen of NYC prep? is this next gen of Summerhouse, is next gen because it's housewives kids? Like, what, I'm curious to- I think it's that last one. Yeah.

I don't think they thought that far. I'm curious, like, to actually sit down and watch the show and be like, where are we going with this? What is the thesis statement? Perhaps there's not one. I will have to see it to know the thesis, but I wonder if it's, I think it's like, I think it's the third thing. I think it's the next gen.

of these youth. We saw them grow up and now we're going to see them ruin their lives on camera. Make bad, bad choices. But I've been nervous for little, what's her name, Ariel, Ariana. Ariana. She's such a little, like, you know, it was hard to watch her become her, like, the face, the young surgery. So I'm excited to see her as her on her own. I don't know. She actually is the one. I have never subscribed to the Zolsiak Bierman, like, family stuff. Like, I never watched Don't Be Tarty. It just, like, wasn't.

I would go to her, like, if I got plastic surgery, I'd go to her doctors. Okay. She goes to Florida. Like, I would get lipo from wherever she gets lipo. She goes to Florida for the lipo and Arizona for the hair. I would go to any of these, most of these women for their surgeries. I feel like they look fucking good. But so Ariana, I feel like, has kind of her own personality.

like she's been, she'll drag her mom on social media because Kim will do those clickbait. I don't know what the payment structure is, but it's like they post this link and the Teresa does it, Vicki does it, where it's like a headline and a link out to an article and the headline is just like Kim Zulsiak on becoming a grandmother. And you click it and you're like, who's pregnant? And then you have to click through 12 different ads and slideshows. and then it's like Kim Zilsiak says she's not ready to be a grandmother yet, but one day when the time is right, she can't wait to be.

She's a gambling addict. I don't know what you want from her. She needs to buy lotto tickets. I remember when Croix's family was like, don't do this, and everyone's like, fuck his parents. I'm like, I don't know. I think they have a point. I would be, I don't know how I would feel. Kim is currently selling Ariana's bedroom furniture.

That's what you mean. It's just like devastated. She said hand-painted, perfect. condition, which if you've spent time on like the real real or anything, like if she's ever slept in that bed, you can't say it's a perfect condition. Oh, okay. I'm not a real. I don't have it.

You could say it's in, in excellent condition or whatever, but like perfect. But she's like, I think she's selling it for 10,000. She was like, we paid $43,000. And it's like, that's the problem. You shouldn't have paid $43,000 for that ugly ass furniture. Yeah, the cat, it's, yeah, she was a problem and a joy from the beginning. I'm excited to hear that you're excited for NextGen NYC though, because I think it's a show that many people are skeptical, if not, like, outright negative about. Oh, I didn't. I haven't seen

that. I'm excited. People are like, ugh, I don't want to see the kids. I want to see the kids. You want to see the kids. Yeah, we saw these kids grow up. I mean, I want them to do good. Like, I don't want them to, I know I made a comment earlier, but I don't want them to do good. But also, I don't want to have a real job. So why would these kids want to have a real job? Yeah. You know what I mean? If you can get on a show and you can get these deals and you could just like chill out, why not do that? I'm happy for them. Yeah. It's interesting. Like Riley Burris went to NYU for like music business. And I'm like, okay. Why not? I mean, candy. Can you believe candy? Like with the Othello success? Yeah. Now she's a Broadway producer. I know that's not her first show, but I'm just like,

Holy shit. No, she, I actually... But that's another thing. Why is she keep working? If I had that money, I'd be like, chill. Like, people just work too hard. I don't get it. Candy is a hustler.

If I wrote no scrubs, I would live on that forever. You'd never see me again. Yeah, she's like, I'm not going to sell sex toys. I like don't get that work ethic in any capacity. Yep. When she, like, said that she was leaving housewives, I feel like some people were really rude about it. And they were like, oh, like, Candy got fired.

And it's like, Candy doesn't need this. Candy is like one of the more popular, most followed, right? Like, candy's beloved. Well, I feel like she has that quality of... That lies. She's, like, easy to work with. Professional. She's professional.

I mean, this is why I think, like, somebody like Kyle Richards has been on the show for so long as because it's like everybody, you know what you're getting. She's reliable. She's going to show up to NBC up front in a cocktail dress and shake the right hands. Like, that is like, that holds value, even if... Yeah, there's the behind-the-scenes favorites that we don't. Like Garcell has a, like, a production deal with NBC Universal. Like, they're not giving that to, like, Gretchen Rossi.

Wait, who was, like, I'm a television? Oh, Alexis Bellino. Alexis Bellino. She, that's, I kind of, different but same, but, like, she kind of had this Kenya thing where it's like, you created your own demise. Right. You could have come on this show, made something for yourself, and you just, you ruin, you had the wrong vision.

Yeah. It's, like, so fucking weird. No, with Kyle, I'm glad. Andy's finally giving it to her. Like, I'm sick of Kyle. I've always been a Kyle apologist. But the way they love, the Garcel's son stuff, I've never forgiven. That reunion and the wait.

Because if that happened to Portia. Yeah. We talked more about Lucy, Lucy Apple Juice than like the way they kind of treated Garcel's son. It's weird. It's funny how, like, I feel like Garcel and Sutton's reception with the audience has always been completely different than the way that the rest of the group views them. Well, I've also, I don't get, I don't get their friend. I don't know. I'm not a Sutton girl.

Yeah. Sutton to me is like Yolanda where it's like, make your money, but you're just, I don't get why you're using it as you're better than if you got it. I don't know. Sutton is somebody where like I, there are times where I've really been on her side in certain situations or where I've like enjoyed, I feel like in her earlier seasons, she had a little bit more of like a kooky energy that I kind of like. But like being friends with her sounds exhausting. Like having to, the amount of times where like Garcell and Sutton are talking about like, oh, like, why didn't it call have my back and like blah blah blah blah. It's like. The leather pants. If I were gar- Not the leather pants. The fucking pants for the, what is it,

Chippendales, like magic mic. Oh my God. Yeah. I would that, I don't know. I would. I would. I was hoping to see Garcel at the survival of the thickest season two premiere, but she didn't come. She didn't come. But I had a lot of questions ready. I was looking for her, but. She's like, I have left the housewives and I will also. I really wanted to get to the bottom of stuff, but. Like, what would your biggest question for Garcel be?

Well, it was like right when the, the premiere was the day after she announced she was leaving. So I was probably going to be like, what the fuck happened at this reunion and fuck those bitches, but I don't know. I don't even know. I think that was, I think at that moment, I was like, I just want to talk about what happened, leaving, like, what went down. Yeah. Do you think, I, obviously, we haven't seen the end of the reunion yet, so maybe something worse happens in part three, but like, I do kind of feel like it is maybe partially something that actually happened at the reunion, and partially Garcel by just being like, I'm over, I'm over this.

Like, I don't need it anymore. And, like, for somebody like her, I believe that she is going to have a million other things going on. So there's, I might be a little. She handled the housewives perfectly because from it, I do think she reused, like, energized her career. Yeah. In a huge way. I'm a little sad. We're not going to see her on the show in the future.

I'm really bummed. I'm not like, oh, my God. Like, what is she going to do? No, I'm not worried for her, but I liked her on the show. I don't know. I really don't like. the way the women treated her. It was, because I feel like Doreet's kind of a kiss ass for years and then suddenly she finds

her voice to yell at Garcel. Like, I don't think she's yelled at anyone. Yeah. Like she did at Garter, like she does to Garcel. And even those early dinners where it's Doree being like, oh, but all of our maids aren't white, you know, it's like, I just, it brought out, I just hate it. Erica even mentioning the beach house in any way, like, bothers me. Yeah, it seems, especially,

I think from Erica and Doreet, it always felt like there was a little bit of like a thing with Garcel that they just like didn't really like her that much. No. And I don't know what it is. But it's also like, or even Doreet saying something about Sutton's home on the street. It's like you're all in foreclosure and might go to prison. Like, I don't know. And I get Doree being mad at Garcel like saying the robbery stuff, but I got into the conspiracy theories. Okay.

And you know my, this is the thing with this really. you know, Doree being like, P.K. would never. I'm like, I don't know, P.K. looks like a scumbag to me. He was sick of your PTSD. He's a fucking asshole. Like, her being like, he's an amazing. Or people be like, how dare you talk about him being a father? I'm like, you think that guy's a great father?

Like, I don't understand. I also thought. P.K. looks like a fucking criminal to me. Like when they showed the clip of Jennifer Tilly on the after show being like, I don't know, how you can afford to stay at the Beverly Hills Hotel. It's very expensive. And it's like, Doreet, like, can we not act like you're actually offended by that? Like, it's an expensive hotel.

There's people have questions. People have questions and you're, they know more, even like the cigarette, you know, like, they know more than even we know. And I think they know that they're in financial distress. She's a social smoker, Lisa. They all rolled their eyes. But Kyle, but that's why I was so mad at everyone this season that they made me team Doree. I feel like Kyle being like we're not even friends.

I'm like, but we watched you guys vacate. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, I think Kyle, I mean, Andy, in the Morgan situation, Andy said on the reunion, like, you can't have your cake and eat it too. And I think sort of with the Doreet friendship, Kyle tried to do that a little bit too, where it's like you can't have somebody be your ally, your closest ally on the show, and have us buy into that and then also be like, we're not really friends. Like if you're going to, that's something you could do after you leave the show and be like, oh, yeah, I don't know.

Like, it's all for TV. But like if you're going to come back to the show to say, oh, like my best friend from the show isn't my real friend. Like that's going to get brought up, you know, Doreet's going to have a reaction to that as she should. Yeah, Kyle, I mean, talking about Kenya, like making bad decisions and playing your cards wrong, kind of. that was something that I've had with Kyle all season where I'm just like, just say you're sorry. Just say the text was weird. Just like say one thing that would make it better for you. What do you want me to do?

Not act like that. What more? I won't text him again. And then you did. You just admitted you went and you texted him again. It's like, I can't. I can't. Yeah.

And she, I mean, she's very like, she's like. She gives me Bethany. It's the popular mean girl. She's Lisa Barlow. It's like they all want these women to love them. They want to be in. they want to be friends with these women as they treat them like shit. To me, it's the Barlow, Bethany, Kyle.

They're like the cool brunettes. They're the cool girls. They're the like Regina George and all the women. They all fall apart trying to get attention from these women. Yeah. And also, I mean, I think we haven't necessarily seen this with Lisa Barlow. But like with Bethany and with Kyle, they're kind of like top dogs. And then they go through something really, you know, hard in their personal life or whatever.

Her dance is moving. That's going to ruin her life. Where are they going to have the Vita cocktails now? Also, like, could we stop pretending it's a real company? I've never seen Vita tequila anywhere in my whole life. You know, there now is a Vita lounge in Park City. In Park City. There's a, like, a restaurant?

I don't know. Okay. Sure. I'll go. I want to have a Vita cocktail so bad. It doesn't exist here. No, it's not anywhere. I'm, like, sick of pretending these businesses are real.

Sutton's fashion show. She's like, hopefully my mom's proud of me now. It's like, for what? You're rich. Like, I don't, I'm not impressed. Yeah, Sutton's continued, like, I guess the store. It's really, it really is eye-opening to me because I feel like I have been dealing with the same mental, or like, struggles in my humanity. Like, I've been having the same problems for 25 years.

I cannot grow out of my flaws and my insecurities. And I'm in this, like, cycle. And I feel like Sutton is the poster child of like, get therapy. Check your mental health because if it goes unchecked, you're going to be. having adult fashion shows clapping for no reason. I don't know. It's sustainable. It's disgusting to me.

It's disgusting. I really wonder for Sutton what happens without Garcel next season. Because it feels like more than anyone. She always feels like she's under attack. And it's like you don't think you deserve it at all? She needs somebody who is going to. She does weaponize. She was weaponizing Dorit's fucked up, you know, the horse.

But like Sutton needs a handler. more than anyone else. Well, Avi. I saw Avi at LA, LAX. I approached him. Did he look stressed? No, I think he was happy to be recognized. But once I saw as, like, Louis Vuitton or Gucci bag, I go, that's definitely him.

That's definitely him. Definitely him. Yeah. We had a fun chat. Okay. What is Avi's, like, what is Avi's energy? He was fun. I mean, you know, we just landed from a flight and I think he was pumped and we had, like,

cute. It was cute and fun and nice. Okay. I love that. I don't know that I've ever. run into like the right hand of a housewife in public. Oh. That's like a funny.

Well, my friends went to the regency and saw Tom, and I feel like that's probably like, that's a bingo card moment for sure. That's a good one. Yeah. I mean, you, you famously saw Luan in her fedora. Oh, my God, yeah.

And my sister didn't like get Luan's vibe, so she kept trying to cock block Luan, and I'd be like, you need to leave her alone. She's on a mission. It's like that is, that is a woman in heat and you will. No, my sister kept going, you could do better. She could do better. I'm like, she doesn't want to do better.

It's tonight. It's in this bar and this is it. Like, I don't know what you want. Like, leave this woman alone, let her fuck. It's like if she wants, she'll do better tomorrow if she feels like it. Yeah, she was partying. One time I saw Lisa Renna at a Delta lounge. And I walked up and I gasped so loud that she looked up.

And I just like, I said hi. I do. I like to see him out and about. I'm trying to think if I've seen another hand. Handler outside of Avi. The handler. I feel like sometimes they would be hard to recognize. I don't know.

One time I recognized at SoulCycle, Larry Rudolph, who was Britney Spears's former manager, and people are like, you're sick. And I'm like, yeah. That's a lot. It's a lot. Are you watching the Denise Richards show? I, that's a little. No, I'm not watching that.

Neither am I. I don't want to. Last night, I was, I took a little gummy, and I had put on Happy Gilmore. I don't know why. It was on Peacock. Golf is in. It was on Peacock. And I kind of was like drifting in and out of like sleep, paying attention, whatever.

I slept through the end of the movie. And then Peacock auto played Denise Richards and her wild things. Well, it's honestly you did a service. We need to get these people money. So I wake up, it's like dark in my room, just Denise Richards on the TV. And it's Denise and her daughter at a Pilates reformer studio talking about their joint only fans journey. And how it kind of ruined OnlyFans for the TV. the daughter when Denise joined.

And I'm like, I need to turn the fucking TV off. It's dark. It's darkness. And I don't like her husband. I don't like it. But I like her. Yeah. I like Denise.

I'm rooting for her. I just will not be an active participant in this show. I think that's the right choice. I mean, it's like, I've heard people say they like the show. They're like, oh, it's fun. It's easy. And I'm like, but that's not like, I don't know. No, I just remembered what I went to bed to.

And it was the Gone Girls documentary. At the Gilgo Beach murderer, the serial killer. Okay. Yeah. I mean you... And I covered this crime years ago before it was even solved. I was really into it. Like, I was on the scene.

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I wish it was just those two. But I'm watching The Simpsons. I'm watching BoJack, Seinfeld, veep over and over. Like, sex in the city is on always. Like, I don't know what the itch is. It's like my comfort. It's truly like my childhood comfort.

Yeah. Like being in a base, being in a, like, isolated watching TV for hours is like my safe, happy space. I do think like Bravo and something like SVU, they have a similar rhythm where it's, It's like there's always going to be something on. There's always going to be a new episode. There's always going to be another episode, some new thing.

Like, it's not like some streaming show where you get eight episodes and then you have two years to wait. And it's like, do I even remember who these people are? It's like, no, this is my. You're so right. These are my, this is my family. Yeah, it's a constant. No, you're totally right. I never thought about it that way.

Whether it's like Beverly Hills or Salt Lake City, it's like, yeah, like the girls are going to be on TV for, it'll be on Peacock in the morning. What I'm really shocked about is, as VU's always ripped from the headlines, not one housewife crime episode yet. And I'm really surprised. You know who is doing housewife crime episodes. Well, Jennifer Lawrence, right, and someone else or no? Or is that a movie? That's a movie that's, I think, happening.

Have you ever seen Ellsbeth? I watch Elspeth. I watch it every week. They have like a, it's like. It's what, yeah, there was one episode. Mavis or whatever. Yeah, I was like Jane Krakowski and Jesse Tyler Ferguson. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's always like Laura Benanti popping in for an episode here and there. That's like, it's a... That's huge guest stars. That show is like guest star such cool people. Like Nathan Lane's doing something. It's not hokey. What's the word? It's like, it's like crime.

Yeah. But I mean, they're representing for it. It's very CBS. Like, I know I've hit a new age bracket that I'm like checking into Elspeth every week. I know. I'm like watching ghosts on Thursday nights. Ghosts haven't gone into... But I'm also watching Yellow Jackets still.

I gave up. As you should have. I have not dipped into season three of Yellow Jackets. It's getting better. I'm enjoying it. I feel like season two was kind of a bummer, but I stuck with it in the first few. And now it's like, it's ramping up back to what we want. Okay.

Yeah, it really is. There's just, like there's a twist that happens like three or four episodes into this season where it like just brings it to a new level. Okay. A different place there. least like something's happening. The woods, but like a new part of the woods. Yeah, it's just tough with those shows because the first, it's, I guess, whatever, who cares, I'm watching it.

I should go out on a date for once in my life, but. Maybe Luann can find somebody for you. Maybe. I don't, I want, but Luann, like, that's the thing with these house, like, they're not grounded in reality. It's so weird. When Andy goes, like, they are who they are on the shows in real life, I believe it. Well, and I think like, right, they have a warped perception of like, obviously somebody like Luann has fans from being on a show.

But then she also, even before the show started, was like married to a fucking count. Yeah. So it's like layers of being removed from. Well, that's why I feel for Sonia, because if I was Morgan level rich, like, that's not just rich. That's helicopter to plane. That's the top of the top one percent. bus and to solicit yeah next place

I can't imagine like that's succession level life and then to not have it I can imagine going a little nutty yeah being a little upset to have lost the inside I follow Sonia's daughter Quincy how could you not or beautiful girl she just wrote I guess she has a blog

and she wrote a post about like growing up in her dad's house and I'm like okay I'll read that later it sounds it sounds twisted I'm sure be a lot. I'm like, Lady Morgan. Lady Morgan. And she'll never, because my friend always said this, it's like, no matter what Sonia's going through, I don't think Quincy would let her mom, like, be on the streets, you know. Yeah. But also when rich people say they're broke or they're losing stuff, like, are they really rich? Are they really broke or not? Right. It's like, maybe you're like, maybe you've made some questionable financial decisions, but like, where's the, where's the floor?

I mean, even on the Beverly Hills reunion hearing that, like, Kim Richards is, you know, spending time in Florida, maybe not doing well, it's like, can she not just, like, live in Kathy's pool house or something? Like, I don't. Well, I bet she doesn't. I don't trust Kathy. Yeah, I guess I, yeah. People that are like, ha, I go, Kathy's an evil woman. Evil woman. Yeah, like from the Paris show, like, I don't know. I had a, when you're allowing people to snatch your kids up in the middle of the night in high school, sending them. I just don't trust it.

You haven't forgiven her for the. No, because she doesn't even admit that it was wrong. Right. She's like, well, at the time. But also, like, even I don't respect Sutton's fashion career, but standing on the thing. Like, this idea, like, she's an airhead I don't buy. I think it's very, I think, who said it, they're like, oh, her drawing focus again. Like, I think it's more sinister.

Even, like, when she comes on the reunion. Oh, Red. Red Bull, it has caffeine? Like, are you a pill pop, what's going on? When Andy's, like, you have an ability to get, like, tea out of these women. And Kathy's like, oh, could you say an example? It's like, girl. No, but her, yeah, like, Tilly's the good, the chaotic good and she's the chaotic evil.

Tilly's, like, happy to be ridiculous. And Kathy, I feel like is, like employing it. It's like a means to an end. But I do love that the two richest women love a snack. a kaff tan, you know what I mean? Like, everyone is starving and so thin and Ozempic and they're just like snacking it up. We're getting... With Louis Vuitts.

It's like, while Sutton and Durit are feuding about living on a main road, where the mic is picking up to his candy rapper just like... But do you feel like she should have defended Sutton a little bit? Like... A little bit. The thing is, like, I feel like Garcel unfortunately ended up in the position of like being Sutton's defender. and I feel like Tilly is like so,

she's like so, she's dipped like one pinky toe into like drama in a way where like I don't think she is really even like Sutton being in the trenches. No, because even when Erica tried to start a fight with her, she goes, oh my bad. Like there was just. Right.

Like Sutton being in the trenches doesn't register to Jennifer Tilly as like her problem. And I kind of respect, I mean, I get why like Sutton probably wishes that she had a little bit more help from Jennifer, but like, I kind of respect her approach to it where she's like, I'm just here for a good time. It's so fun. I'm a house-size fan. And boy, it's a different being on the show. No, I had a DM from a friend this morning that was just like love Jennifer, like love that she's just watching. Yeah. Just in the center of it, having a good time. Yeah. And I think as long as there

enough people in the cast who are actually like creating story, we can have somebody who just like wants to bring their candy to St. Lucia. Oh, I don't, I think Jennifer. I think Jennifer. Jennifer has a job if she wants it. Exactly. I mean, yeah. And like, Kathy's pretty much been the same way the last few years where it's like, okay, yeah. Kathy, we had a couple new years ago, me and my friends did the baked potato sour cream caviar.

Oh, yeah. It's fucking good. It's fucking good. That's like her biggest contribution to me. Did you use Meredith Mark's caviar? No, I didn't know she had her own caviar, but I definitely didn't use breakstone sour cream, Aaron Leachie. It's disgusting.

That's like, you could tell she, yeah, you could tell she doesn't eat because any, we're going to dinner. It's like to not have like pita and hummus. You know what I? Like, you're a host. There's no snacks, but she's not snacking. Yeah. Well, we like our queens to snack. Even if you know, Jennifer Tilly candy in the purse.

But like Jules wasn't eating, but there was a spread to hide it. You know, like I just, you know, you could tell someone's just not even thinking about food, which is just four. to me. Yeah. What are you most excited about on Bravo these days or coming up? Like what's kind of What's? Well, I'm excited for news. I love Miami. So like I'm excited for Miami to come back. What else do we have? I'm excited for the summer house reunion. Yeah. I'm also excited for Paige to be on Watch What Happens live. Okay. So I'm really hoping that happens. Do you watch the Valley? I'll watch it. I'm really, you know, I'm 37. And I have a lot of friends with children. I don't, that's, I don't, that's not a, I don't want to see this. Okay. Just 30 something year olds in the valley raising kids.

That's like, I will say like, disgusting. But I'm a Kristen Doe. I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. I will say watching the valley. It's funny because, like, I'm going to scroll while I watch. Right. Of course.

But it's like watching the valley is funny because it's like, it's about parents. But like, the kids are not. It's, it's very like, girl fuck them kids energy. It's like we're, it's like you're not seeing the kids, barely. No, but they're all just like, the kids give me so much life. I mean, I just wonder what this baby and Kristen Doty. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.

But I'm not excited for it if that was the question. Definitely not excited. I think all we have is Miami and these, the New York kids. Then the next gen. Yeah, and then, yeah, I really want Paige to answer some, like, I want to see her and watch what happens. I want to see what goes down. Okay. I feel like it's coming to an end.

I don't want to end this podcast. Yeah. I sensed it. I sensed it. Unfortunately. But come back when Miami is on. What are you looking forward to? Am I missing something?

Big Miami. Big Miami. Very excited for that. Yeah. Marisol plays that kind of side fun. But she gets in the drama. Well, and also Marisol and Kathy Hilton and maybe only a couple other people on Bravo have something in common, which is that they always bring their purse to stage with them.

that it's like, it'll be like a BravoCon panel, and Kathy Hilton is coming on stage with her pocketbook. She's sitting on the couch next to her, and Marisol does that too. Well, yeah, wasn't she, like, lip-glossing as Mariska won an award? Yes. Like, just not a care in the world. The MTV, like, movie awards.

Yeah, this wasn't a real award, but. Mariska's talking about, like, the importance of, like, women's health care or something. And Kathy's like, I need a tarotro. It's so, she's just so out of touch, the money of it all. But I wonder, I just want to know everything. Yeah. Are they scared of Kathy? Like, is Sutton scared of Kathy?

Yes. They all are, right? They're all kissing her ass. Yeah. So stay with the Southern Charmcast is scared of Craig. I am not Teen Craig, obviously. Wait, did you watch White Lotus? Yeah.

Did you like it? I did. I saw Leslie Bibb at SoulCycle the morning I did watch what happens live. And she gave me advice. I approached her and you could tell fear in her face. No, it was a week before, but I just knew she's been on. She's like a Bravo girl. And so I approached her and I think she thought I was going to just fan girl over White Lotus.

You were like, so I have a talk show appearance. Well, yeah, I was like, I know you're a Bravo girlie. I'm doing it for the first time. She was like, oh my God with who. And then we like had a fun chat. Wait, okay, I love that. No, we had like a really good chat. She talks about West, her opinions.

And then she goes, don't prep. just have fun, be in the moment. And it was, it was like the best morning of. That's, like, a great little, she, like, gassed you up just enough. You know, you had your little centering. Oh, yeah, because I would have gone over the questions more and had a little bit more. I would have had a different day. Right.

And she kind of freed me of prep. She was like, just be in the moment. It changes anyways. She learned a lot from her time in Thailand. Just let go. Well, then she goes, well, I'm doing it next week because, you know, I've been busy. And I go, no, I know you've been, I'm like, I know. I've been busy.

I'm in the zeitgeist. But I loved how much Bravo heat, Mike White put in it. You know, it was like a beautiful thing. Yeah, it's fun because it's like, okay, like there was a little bit of Southern charm, but then also it's a little bit of housewives. It was the pirate, right? It was like the pirate of it all, don't you think? Or maybe that?

There's a lot of layers there. Just the friendship, the country boss. I mean, we're really in a beautiful moment. Yeah, I'm nervous for summer. The shows leave. Maybe you'll watch for Lassoys of Dallas. Maybe. Maybe.

Oh, my God. And I'm excited for traitors. I'm trying to get on traitors. Okay. I think I'd do really well. I'm not to, but now, like, I don't even want to say I'm not famous because they have, who's Ivan? They have people in British Parliament.

Like, I feel like they could have a comedian from New York. Right. You have a Netflix special. Yeah. Get me on traitors. I'd be so good. I'd be so good. Okay.

So we're getting you on traitors. We're watching your. special on Netflix. Yes, Night Owl, baby. And then I'm on the road. We're seeing you on tour. Where are we seeing? Okay.

I'm in Austin Providence, Rhode Island. Wait, there's more cities. San Francisco. I'll be in Atlanta. I'll be another. I'm everywhere. New Orleans. Okay.

Going to Australia. Australia. In July and New Zealand. That's exciting. Booked and busy. Yeah. Getting all the miles. Getting all the miles.

And I'm close. collecting Delta pilot trading cards right now. Do you fly Delta? Sometimes, yeah. Well, you go on and you ask the flight attendant and you go, hey, can I ask the pilot for a trading card? And then everyone gets excited. Oh, my God. And then you get to, you know, peek into the cockpit and you go, hey guys, any trading cards? Hey boys. And they are always like, and they get so pumped and sometimes they give you extra and they're holographic. And they help their own. It's like, so like, you know, Doug Smith is giving you the Doug Smith trading card? No, it's the type of plane you're on. So there's like a 767, like an A, whatever, and then they

have facts about the plane. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Wait, okay. And then I have an Olympics one, too. They gave me an Olympics special one. So I have, well, I showed him to a friend and he goes, is this where your life is at right now? It's like, it's something to reflect on, but yes. You're like, no, I didn't, I didn't meet someone and fall in love on my trip, but I did collect three Airbus A-20. Yeah. And I had one lesson where I went to a woman and I go, could I talk to the pilot? And she went, I am the pilot.

And I went, I'm like, bitch. Love that. You know, women's stories matter. We all fumble. Lisa, thank you for being here. This is a pleasure. Thank you. This was, I've been waiting for this moment.

So I was excited. Next time. I responded to the email in all caps. I love that. They were like, will you do this? I'm like, I've been waiting. Well, next time I see you in Williams, we will have a more meaningful encounter.

No, you were on the bench on the water. Okay. Yeah, it would be psychotic if you remembered, though. That would be weird. Yeah, maybe. Are people stopping you everywhere? Not everywhere. Are you going to the events?

Are the Bravo people, are you the Kathy Hilton of when you're with Bravo people? I don't know. The Kathy Hilton. You just said she's evil. No, not in that. No, like they want a piece. Like, they're like, oh. Sometimes I do well at BravoCon.

Nice. I meet a lot of great people. People are very nice. And you're friends with the other Bravo podcasters or is their competition? No, there's like a nice little community. Good. Yeah. But there must be, off the mic, tell me who's out.

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