Mention It All - Don’t Come For Garcelle Ft. Sami & Jordana (RHOBH Reunion)

Episode Date: October 14, 2021

Dylan is joined by Betches co-founders and fellow Bravoholics Sami Sage and Jordana Abraham to discuss the hotly-anticipated first part of the RHOBH reunion. They discuss where they stand on all the Erika drama, and unpack her reunion look. Next, they get into Garcelle’s showdowns with Dorit and Rinna, who both seem a little confused about the reality of what’s happening. Later, they discuss Kyle’s role on the show, and how the cast dynamics might shake out next season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer. And today I am joined by two very special guest co-hosts, Sammy Sage and Jordana Abraham.

Hi, how are you guys? Hello, incredibly excited to be talking about my favorite topic for the next hour or so. So I am as good as could be. Yes, we have been, I mean, we have been talking about Beverly Hills on the Ad Patchez podcast, but we thought we would move the conversation here and have it with a real Bravo expert so that, you know, we could do, we could talk about it on our real Bravo channel. So we're so excited to be here. Yes, we have a lot to talk about, obviously, at Reunion Part 1 today.

and you two are going to be joining me the next four Thursdays to talk about the whole reunion. And we're going to be getting into Winterhouse also on some Thursday episodes. So we've got a lot to talk about. Before we get into this reunion episode, because you guys haven't been here for the whole season, I want to give you each 30-ish seconds. I'm not timing you. Who cares? To kind of say like how you're feeling about all the Erica stuff, like what have been

your thoughts kind of as the season has progressed. So Sammy, you can go first. Okay. I have been pretty suspicious of Erica since this all started unraveling. And the more I like read about it and the more you sort of like look into the history of Tom's alleged. They're not alleged of Tom's like legal issues. It's clear that this has been going on for a long time. Erica knew about it. It was sort of an open secret. And I kind of stand by what, like, Sutton said that she made a deal with the devil, that she was going to, like, live off her husband who was going to fund her career and her

entire existence, knowing that there was something sketchy going on. I'm sure she didn't know every in and out of his law firm. But, yeah, the only question in my mind is, the only, like, remaining question is, like, is there offshore money and is that why she is why she stuck with him the whole season or did they spend all the money? Well, you know, the devil always comes knocking. So I am I am with Sutton on like all her suspicions. She was spot on and completely vindicated. Amazing. Okay, great. Jordana, what are, do you feel the same? Do you have any different sort of nuances here? Yeah, I'm definitely interested to know Like obviously she's been, I think her whole business, I've always, I think I've always kind of had like a thought in the back of my head when watching the show like, how does she afford to fly 10 glam squad people like internationally first class just to do like her makeup for this event, which didn't really seem like a lucrative thing to me.

Because it wasn't like, oh, I knew a ton of people who were just buying waiting at the edge of their seat to buy Erica Jane like concert tickets. So I'm definitely interested to know like I'm sure like I'm sure she didn't. know everything, but I would like to know exactly what she knew, which I'm sure we will never find out. But I also don't think she seems that poor right now. So that's another thing I'm excited to see. It was interesting to hear last night that when Andy was kind of starting, you know, giving her sort of like a little bit of space at the beginning of the episode to sort of like give her little PR statement about how she can't, you know, say everything. She was talking about how the money situation during the season was like not that big of a concern it seemed like but then

now it is now it is like i'm i'm always like a little unsure of like what's really happening with the money because even on the trip to delmar in the last few episodes she still had like people there doing her makeup right it's like okay if you're saying girl i have zero dollars like okay then like how are those people getting paid like what what does zero dollars mean in actuality. Forget the glam squad, a range, you don't need to drive a range rover. You can drive a luxury car, Erica,

that like costs significant car. No, here's a thing. She's not going to, she's not really, she's not going to downgrade her lifestyle past a certain point. But like, she could probably lease like a BMW for like 400 something a month,

like rather than her land row, her range rover, which is probably costing her closer to a thousand. Her rent on that. house is like I've seen on Reddit like $9,500. Like you don't need to live in that house. You could go live in a, you could get a condo in West Hollywood for a really nice condo for like five or six thousand.

So like she doesn't need to be. I already just have her monthly expenses. So just like, you know, she. You're like the Susie Orman of Erica. You're like, you're like, girl, I have figured out all your expenses. down to a tea. Yeah, like she's still, you know, I mean, I don't think she's allowed to sell her clothing, but whatever.

But I have to say, I thought she looked a lot older on the, on the reunion. I think that like her, she obviously had glam, but it didn't. Her glam and the other things, like makes her look like she's 25 because it's like so incredibly airbrushed or something like that. Like I hear I felt like she looked like sort of her age, which she's probably unhappy about. Like she does seem like somewhat. little bit poorer. No one's ugly.

They're just poor. Maybe like a little less like Botoxed or like. Yeah. Maybe that was a little like the like her makeup was still done obviously, but it was like she looked a little less like fresh. I don't know. Right. It looked less Kardashian and more like a regular housewife on a different franchise

season two. Yeah. Yeah. How she looked was actually a huge point of debate on Reddit and people thought the Other things that were thrown out there were no, not enough filler. Like she's not filled anymore, which has made her skin sort of like cave in a little bit. Her face is like ruddy from alcohol and people think she gained weight. I think like she just looks like what she actually looks like because she has just like overall less intense maintenance.

It was, I was surprised to hear that her adjective for how she wanted to look at the reunion was hot. Hot. Because I was like, I feel like you're kind of like not about, this isn't even about her looks. It's like I didn't feel like she really was giving like hotness in the way that she has in the past. Like she wasn't performing hotness the way that like Erica Jane has. So it's kind of like, okay, like I don't, that's not really like the vibe I'm getting. But like, you know, she wants someone with a big dick. That's like her objective now.

It's how strange. She wants something like on a big bank account. Yeah. I know. I felt like big dick was almost like code for big bank account. She didn't know she can't say that. She honestly didn't do anything to convince me that she did not have sex with Army Hammer and or Scooter Braun with those reactions.

I'm not going to lie. Like she wants a big dick and money like money. So why wouldn't she, you know? I mean, I personally like Scooter Braun is repulsive to me. but like I can see the pros. The key to music career. He's a music career. I don't think Scooter Brown is going to like marry Erica Jane.

I don't really see that happening. Yeah, you don't think that. But like, let's think about the machinations of Erica's head right now. She's like her most desperate she's ever been. You don't think she'd be like, why not try it? No, I think she'd be down. I don't think he'd be down to marry her. Erica's like, if I sleep with Scooter Braun,

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The first sort of like package that we move into is all the stuff with Sutton. You know, she had an eventful season. But it seems like for the most part, we're not getting into her and Erica yet. But like she seems like she's in a good place with Crystal. She seems like she doesn't have a lot of baggage, really, that she's bringing to this reunion, I feel like. You know, she's doing well with her roller. she doesn't need it on the set. Well, I have to say, I think that Sutton came with like a confidence to the reunion

knowing that like the audience has her back. So I think it's much easier to be confident when you were like, I know I'm right now. She has the whole, like her whole existence exudes, I told you so. Like, you know what I mean? And to see the way that Rina is kind of handling Sutton is very strange to me. feel like Lisa Rina, I don't know what has happened, but she's like lost touch so much with how people are watching the show and are like reacting to the show. And so for her to be like making these comments about how she didn't think Sutton's store was a

business and like kind of like smirking about it. It's like first of all, you used to have a boutique that I think didn't do well. So like, yeah. So like why are you making digs about somebody else's boutique? quite telling because she obviously doesn't see a boutique as a business. She sees it as like a hobby that sucks money. Like actually, if you're successful, your boutique can be a business. Right.

Like, it is technically a business. Yeah. If you're like owning and operating a store, that is a business. But she was probably like owning an operating hobby, you know? Like Erica Jane being an artist. Rina, Rina had that store before she was on Real. Housewives. I think she was trying to make money from that. It wasn't a hobby for her.

Ritter's store was not a hobby. Bell Gray. I mean, why not? It could have been like a vanity store. No, because I don't think, I don't, at least Rina is the poorest person on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Maybe now. Not anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that was in Lisa Rina's era of like being a sad C-list actress. Right. Doing the diaper commercials. Right. Before she got Housewives and kind of reinvented herself as like, iconic hair and big lips.

Right. She, I think, I think her whole thing is becoming very tired. I know we have like more to discuss about her and Garcel towards like the end of it. But I think she is like past her peak. Totally. My thing with Rina is that I feel like she has, she's in the category of housewives that are just like Bravo staples. And it sort of feels like they're kind of like untouchable on the show. And after this season, it makes me wonder, like, what would have to happen for Bravo to be like, eh, I think we're good on Lisa Rina.

Because I still can't imagine her actually getting fired, even though people are like, fire Rina. Like, I don't think it's going to happen. Well, Vicki was a housewife's staple. And they got rid of her. Also, you know, I feel like, I wonder if, like, Andy likes Rina and that's why she stays. Like, again, this. Right, Tamara, too. I guess this goes back to my question.

Like, who would you want Andy? Who would you, if you could know Andy's opinion on any housewife, who would it be? And maybe it would be Renna. You asked me this last night and I said Rinna. Yeah. I think, I think Renna's one of those people where like her personality is so perfect for housewives that it's easy. Like, and I'm sure in the past, like, she was bringing great stuff to the show.

So she's kind of like occupied this role of just like, she's Renna. she's a housewife, but like, we can give it and we can take away. Right. I think we should take it away. I think we should take it away. I would like to see Kyle without like this Fox Force five or four or whatever. Like that ruins the show.

The fact that these women have like this sort of agreement, either explicit or implicit, that they're not going to talk about certain things, ruins the show. Like, I mean, I guess it's very classic Beverly. Hills. It's true to what you'd be like in Beverly Hills, but it's like very bothersome as a viewer. That's one of my biggest questions as we go through this reunion is going to be where Kyle sort of stands with that group when the reunion ends because I feel like we're sort of getting some inklings that she is like not totally team Erica. And I mean, we've seen that a little bit in the season, but like I would love to see Kyle sort of have a moment.

where she actually like speaks up and distances herself in that group, but I don't know if it's going to happen. But I'm, that's one of my biggest kind of like things I'm interested to see is like, are we going to get a moment from Kyle that's like, I don't think she's going to do that because Kyle has been around the, I think Kyle is actually the most manipulative person on the whole show. And she's very good at it doing it subtly because she's had a lot of practice.

And she's like been watching. She's like, she learned a little bit from like LDP. but also what not to do. And big Kathy. Totally. But also, but like what not to do, I think. And so she, I think, gets away with, she'll say less and say it very strategically.

And I don't think she will come out with like a very like strong statement in either direction. She plays both sides. I do think last night when, you know, Garcel was going at it with Derreet and with Rina, I think Kyle was giving a lot of facial expressions, which I enjoy. but she was the kind of getting involved to the least. We saw Crystal kind of jumping in. We saw Erica jumping in, you know, obviously Sutton and Garcel are close. But like, Kyle wasn't really like, she clearly doesn't want to come for Garcel, but she also isn't really like going against Dorea Rina.

Did you see what she said about the race comment? Like when they were saying like, don't bring race into the show. She said like, well, this is real life. like this is a real life thing and i was like oh kyle has like learned to you know well Kyle knows what Kyle knows what to say to say the right thing and i also think or like to say somewhat of like the thing that's appropriate or what she thinks the viewers will seem as well deem as appropriate but i also think i kind of feel like her long game thing was like she was pissed at garcel for um calling her out like even in the beginning where she kind of called her racist

just a little bit where she like said that like what she was doing like had some sort of like racial something involved with it and I think that she was mad at her about that and I think that she's letting Dorit and like Rina kind of like get back in her for that well she ended up fucking over to read and Rina because they are the ones who come out looking like well that's why I'm wrong but she had them do her dirty work and then let's talk about she looks like she's like she's cool with everyone let's talk about Doreet and versus Garcel because this took up a lot of time on last night's episode. And I did a poll on the Bravo by Betches story this morning of Team Derrete or Team Garcel.

And I think it's like 87% team Garcel. And I was. I think this was like a big miscalculation on Dorit's part. And I'm surprised because when the episode, you know, that like Rina Beauty Party episode and the ones after that, I feel like the. viewers were very vocally not feeling Dorit's argument. You know, like, they were very like, why are you coming for Garcel like this? And it surprises me that she didn't double down.

Kind of like course correct before the reunion. Right. Because it's like she is, she's like coming for Garcel in a way that we haven't really seen Derrete come for anyone before. Maybe Camille a little bit. But like, it's, it's a lot of intense energy coming from Derreet. and it feels like, really? Like, you're going this hard at Garcel?

And it's, it's an interesting look. I think this is one of the side effects, like the externalities, if you will, of having the Fox Force Five. Because if they could, like, get to the, this part of the reunion, I felt was sort of like clearing out all the issues that are not Erica related.

Like, they wanted to, like, almost get them out of the way. And I feel like the fact that Derreet, like, had to like start drama with Garcell. Like it all felt so manufactured and like she was just like overreacting for attention. And I think that's one of like the results when they're not just allowed to let the season play out because they have these alliances. Doreet can't. I mean,

Doree can't like clearly Dorete has some doubts about Erica. Like they all clearly have doubts about Erica. Yeah. Whether they're forthcoming about it. But because they're in this like alliance, they're not going to come for Erica. So they need to do other things to do. distract from that. So that's why I think like Jarete had this really stupid Hilda Dianne with Garcel. Making passive aggressive jabs. What do what passively provocative? Passively provocative is like

the funniest turn of phrase that she has clearly decided is like how she's going to refer to this. And it's like, what are you? It's like all passively provocative. It doesn't even make any sense. It's just passive, passive aggressive. Also like, Why are we acting like all of the women don't make comments in their, in their, uh, yeah, they're already, first of all,

they're starting a fight with her about confessionals that haven't aired yet. And like, they didn't see that they were already starting fights about her confessions. And they just like, use that as an excuse. Also, like, of course Garcel is not comfortable. Sure.

Her whole point is that you make her uncomfortable. She's not going to bring up these issues. to your face. I thought it was really surprising, or maybe not surprising, but Doret and Rina basically were saying that, yeah, okay, we all say stuff in our confessionals, but Garcell does it more than anyone else, which I just feel like is objectively not really true. And even if it was, it's like that is the assignment. Like, they sit you down in the confessional chair.

And the whole point is that they're getting you to speak. candidly. And like, I just think it's, Garcel is not doing anything that is like new or different than like the typical housewives way of interacting with each other. And so the fact that Derreet and Rinna have like latched on to this idea that she's making digs and jabs and being passive aggressive. It's like the whole point of housewives is that you're having like these heated interactions. with each other. And I don't think Garcel is doing it in a way that's any less appropriate than anybody else. I agree. And I also think last season, like, how could

DeReed say that last season she did Kyle's fashion show thing for her, whatever stupid line? And then she was like, in the confessional was like, Kyle doesn't know how to run a fashion show. Yeah. Like, did she say that to her face? Did she say that? She's not really a designer. Right. So I'm saying, did she say any of that to Kyle? But I'm saying like, she's like, She was like, yeah, this was a, she's like, this fashion show was a complete mess. And then after, like, she'd not say anything like that to her. I think they're mad that Garcel is like wittier than she is. And all that stuff, Doreet was saying was like, you try to be passive aggressive to be relevant.

Like, that was so much projection. Like, it's painful. The relevant comment was just. It's like, that's not. That's not what people get from Doreet. Like, you're so out of touch with how the audience perceives all these people. Yeah. And she, Garcena.

Elle says that she needs an apology for Doreet using the word bully. And Doreet, like, she does apologize, but it's, her apology is, like, wrapped up within a five-minute explanation of why she did sort of mean bully because one part of bully is that it's incessive. And, you know, that's, like, Garcel, you were bringing it up over and over again. And, like, so bully, you know, but also I'm so sorry. And it's like, that's not how apologies work. Like, you're either sorry for saying the work.

or you meant it and it was correct. Like, it's like going back to earlier this season when they were going on and on about the word violated. And it's like, there are dictionary definitions of words. And so, Doreet, like, if you really feel like the word bully was accurate, then say that. But don't explain why you used it and then half apologize. All new drinks are now at McDonald's.

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Can we get to the meat of the issue, which is where is the money? Like, I don't really want to, I don't really want to. I don't really want to, like, argue over the definition of words anymore. Like, it's very boring. It's very Bill Clinton in the 90s. Like, what is the definition of is? I also thought, like, Rito was just, like, gaslighting her. Or so, like, whenever she would get upset, she would turn it into a topic that had nothing to do with that.

And then, like, double down on her stance. But, like, so the point where I was, like, by the end of it, I had no idea what, like, anyone was even talking about. So she did a good job of, like, diffusing the blame on herself to where, like, suddenly she's, she's like, can we just hug? I'm like, what did it just have? We have to use the situation so much. When Rinna brought up Harry Hamlin watching the show and saying that Garcell seems so unhappy, like what's going on with her? Where's the old Garcel? I was like, oh, my God.

First of all, I don't even necessarily believe that that interaction happened. But like, it made me think of when I was like in high school, every single day my mom would just be like, you look sad. Are you sad? And I'm like, I'm just like sitting here. Like I'm just like, I'm doing homework. Well, it reminded me of like, I felt like she would that was a total gaslighty move. Like it reminded me of when my mom says like annoying shit to me about my wedding. And then I get really annoyed at her.

And then she's like, why are you so sad? Like, why are you so angry? Why should like brides shouldn't be so angry. Like, is there something wrong? It's gaslighting. It's gaslighting. That's what I'm saying. Also, okay, can we talk about Renault's physical move to the other.

couch, which felt like the physical manifestation of like love bombing. It's like she put, she went so close to her that it made it basically impossible for Garcel not to just be like, fine. Like it was so, it was so manipulative that she did that. I always have mixed feelings about reunion makeups because like sometimes I think they can be really genuine and earned and like a culmination. But so much of the time it feels like. okay, now hug.

Okay, like we talked this through. Like, it's for the audience. Renan didn't admit she was wrong. She was just like, I love you. I love you. You're my best friend. Like, we have so much fun together. But also with Derreet and Garcel last night,

it also felt like Garcel was kind of backed into a corner with that. And she's like, I don't dislike anything about Derrete. So I guess we can be friends. And it's like, I mean, I don't blame Garcel for feeling like she kind of had to do that. But it's like, we can dislike things about. people. And, like, I think you do dislike things about her. Like, you've just been going at it for the last 30 minutes. Like, it's okay. Yeah. I think they do that to her a lot. Like, they make her, like, wrap everything up in a bow and, like, basically dishonor her feelings constantly. I also like to say,

anyway, I think Renna totally did say the thing about race. She never even denied saying it. She just kind of, like, skirted around the issue by not like, she was just, like, indignant about it and like, Garcel. She denied it, I think. No, she didn't. She didn't say that. She said you should have come to me if someone told you that. Well, and I think it was just saying.

It was more of like, you know me. Like, you really think I would say something like that. Like, Garcel, like, you, you honestly, like, it's very like, you're shaming the other person for even, like, considering this thing that somebody brought to them. It's not like Garcel came up with this idea that Rina said it. And now it's like, I think you said it. It's like somebody told her that she said it. It reminds me of Jen Shaw, like denying that her, that she tweeted her tweets or like,

liked those tweets. I was like, who else would it have been? I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about is like I did it and I don't know who told you. Right. It was like, I don't know if you guys watched the watch what happens live with Garcell last night. But they were, they were, Andy was asking about this and she got, Garcel was asked like, do you think Rinna said this thing?

And you could tell that Garcel was like, if I say that I think she said it, it's going to be a whole thing. Yeah. And so she's like, um, uh, uh, no, I don't think Grina said it. And like, I do believe that Garcel wants to move forward with Lisa Rina, at least in the sense of like, if they're going to be on the show together. let's not spend a whole other season fighting. But like, Rina might have said that. Like, I don't, it's not outside the realm of possibility.

And I think it's like funny to see these white women on these shows over and over again act like so horrified at the suggestion that they would do something that honestly kind of sounds like something they would do. Yeah, it's like I, I, they want her to like be in their. agree, you know, in sort of in on their agreement that they're not going to go certain places. But like, she's never agreed to that. You don't treat her in a way that would make her feel included that would make her want, like, that would maybe incentivize her to like, you know, want to talk things through with you

in a civilized way. Like, it's just sort of like they really emotionally, emotionally manipulate her to a large extent. They want her to sign the like friendship agreement without getting any of the, right. benefits. Exactly. You just put it into bird. That was what the love bombing thing was about. I felt like after the racial comment,

Joanna was like quick thinking like, shit, I need to like just diffuse this whole thing. So I'm just going to like tell her that we're best friends, run over the couch. If I sit on her lap right now, we'll she stop talking about me. She's like,

this relationship cannot end. And the thing that people talk about with me and her is that like I said that there's too much like there shouldn't be any racial discussion on the on the show. So I need to like just end this. give her the hug, we're made up, and then like move, not like really admit any guilt to anything, but just like move on and then in that conversation. So basically Beverly Hills, it seems like it's going to start filming basically now. And assuming everyone is coming back, what do you think, how do you think Garcel is actually

going to be with Derreet and Rinne moving forward? Because they all seemingly made up at the reunion, but like I would give those. makeups like a six out of ten at best in terms of like authenticity. Right. Well, I think that the, the alliances have shifted on the show. And I think we have solidified a new trio of Crystal, Garcell, and Sutton, who kind of adjacently have Kathy, I think, because Kathy doesn't want anything to do with Rina or Doreet, like, really?

Like, and Kyle's obviously her sister. So I think that, like, Garcel. I think the three of them are going to be in a better position because the fandom is like more on their side. But can I say something? Crystal doesn't really seem to be like I know she's like grouped in with the two of them, but she doesn't seem to like like either of them that much. I don't really see why they're grouped with Crystal so much just because she's due. I think they do like each other now.

I think Crystal is like sort of like a swing vote almost where she like she obviously is like friends with Rina and Doreet, you know, like she kind of gets along with that group. But I do think she and Garcel have had some conversations like on a little deeper level. I do think she and Sutton are like genuinely good now. But I'll be most interested to see really where Kyle sort of fits in next season because it seems like Erica is really like not impressed with how. Kyle has, you know, like dealt with her.

And so I, I've, I am curious to see if that's going to manifest in like Kyle and Rina not being so good. If Rina is still like Erica's, you know, brave little soldier. I think Kyle should cut her losses like right now. And Erica's never going to trust her again. Fine. You don't, do you want that woman's trust anyway? Why? I like, and I think Kyle has this and you saw her kind of do it with LVP is like she has this need to like make every single person like her even if she, even if it's like impossible and like she doesn't even necessarily like them.

Like she, I just think she can't stand to have someone who's not like approving of her. And that's why she's like not just cutting her losses with Erica and like distancing from her like in a very clear way. Like it would make so much more sense for her to do that. she isn't. And actually, in the second half of this season, Kyle and Sutton had a few one-on-one scenes with each other. And it seems like they get along pretty well. And so I almost would like to see Kyle sort of lean into that friendship and actually like get closer with Garcel. And I think that could be like a really good sort of new lane for her. But at the same time, like I don't see Kyle like really like not like moving away from like Rina and Doreet in a meaningful way because I think

she still sees them as like more powerful on housewives. She wants to be on that side more. I also think she can relate more to their like materialism and their lap of being down to earth. Like I think that's much more Kyle's like wheelhouse than like I want to engage in interesting discussions about race and like the legal and the legal part of like Erica's thing. Like I don't I think Kyle's like a little more superficial than the Garcell. Yeah. Kyle still didn't read the article. Kyle, having to explain once again. I had someone explain the article to me.

It's like, right, having to explain once again that the LA Times article was too long for her. It's like, oh my God. Embarrassing. Like you didn't think that was embarrassing the first time. Like, right. Yeah. I agree with that. She's too shallow for them.

Like having someone explained the like legal ramifications is, is fine. But it's like, stop saying that it was because the article was too long. Like that's stupid. What did you get on your SAT reading comprehension? I think she's, like she didn't go to college. So she probably didn't take the SATs. Did Kyle?

She made for college? No. Remember she, in the early season, she's like, I was a working actress, so I didn't go to college. She could have gone to college.

She was not that famous or successful. Speaking of, I'm seeing Halloween kills tonight. So that's exciting. Oh, that's exciting. Oh, my God. If I have to hear Kyle pretend like she's bucking McCollie Culkin one more time,

like she was not that successful. full of a child. She's driving me crazy. Yeah. But honestly, Kyle's biggest, like,

trait, I think, is that she makes shallow friendships easily. Like, she's good at getting along with people on, like, a shallow dimension. So she could, in theory, like, make friends with Sutton

and, like, be Sutton's friend. Like, I'm sure they have lots of rich stuff to talk about. You know what I mean? Like, jewelry auctions. Yeah. And, I mean,

we saw them shopping for, like, China or whatever. Yeah. I'm sure they could form a whole relationship just based on spending money. Like, maybe Kyle never going to relate to Garcel about. Maybe she doesn't need to have like their kids, how much they love their kids. Like what it's like to be a mom, like and worry about your kids. Being an actress, you know, being in Hollywood.

I would love to see them bring one of Garcell's like real friends onto the cast. Like I don't think this cast needs like a lot of. shakeups or anything, but like that's one angle that I would love to see them explore a little bit. Because I think Garcel has like actual like cool, interesting friends. And I would love to see like a little more of her real vibe. All they need to do to make to satisfy me is to drop Rina. Like just drop Rina. And like you could really, that's the only change they need to make.

Even if they demoted her to a friend of, that would also satisfy me. Would you, if they dropped Rina, would you want Denise to come back? Sure. Yeah. Why not? Like more drama better. I like Denise. Yeah.

Like more drama. I don't know if I need to hear from Aaron until the pandemic is like fully in the rearview mirror. Yes. No Aaron. But like Denise, I felt like was sort of an interesting character because you weren't really sure like what was going on with her. Like do you know what I mean? Like she's also one where you're like kind of like you sometimes.

I'm not really sure like what's going. Her first season vibe was different than her second season. Like she kind of, it was hard to get a read on her like as a housewife. I agree. Hard to read. She had like another couple seasons to really fully understand her. Well, if we, if we fire LR, then maybe we can get it to these back. Yeah.

This episode was so fun. I feel like we, I feel like we really dipped our toes in. We got some important issues out of the way. And now, you know, we're starting to talk about Erica and Tom. and there's clearly a lot more, you know, a lot more questioning to go to. Apparently the first, Andy said the first 20 minutes of the next episode, the next reunion episode are about her marriage. Oh, great.

I'm very excited. Obviously, I want all the, like, I want all the, like, legal questions, too, but, like, the marriage is. Oh, we need to clarify. We need to clarify a lot of these, like, inconsistencies. Totally. Well, this has been great. I'm so glad you guys were able to join me

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