Mention It All - Dorit Needs A Forensic Accountant, Not A Money Queen (RHOBH, RHOSLC, RHOP, Southern Charm)

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

It's the last Friday episode of the year, and Dylan comes ready to discuss a pair of tantalizing casting rumors. Is NeNe burying the hatchet with Bravo in time for the 20th anniversary of Housewives? And will a Jersey OG be making the jump to RHOC? Then, he digs into this week's slate of recaps, starting with Dorit's divorce bootcamp and Kyle's kinda coming out on RHOBH. From there, he discusses Angel's confusing living situation on RHOP, Meredith's disengagement on RHOSLC, and the mounting frustration with the hot tub situation on Southern Charm. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast. Oh, it is the holiday season. And we're so close to the end of the year. And this is actually going to be our last Friday episode for 2025. We have made it a long way. and we are taking a little bit of a scheduling break for the holidays, but we are still going to be giving you Tuesday episodes the next two weeks. So to run down the schedule, obviously you're listening to this right now.

Next Tuesday, we have a great episode with Molly O'Connell from Southern Charm, the girl with the talk of the town when it comes to procedures. It's going to come out on Tuesday. And then the following week on Tuesday, we are going to be coming at you with a of year-end round-up episode. So that'll be out, I think, December 30th. I don't know. The dates are all a jumble. And then that first full week of January, we will be back to our normal schedule with episodes on Tuesdays and Fridays. So fun stuff happening. I hope everybody has some nice relaxing time off during the holidays, but we will still be coming at you with one episode

per week. But now that that is out of the way, we have some interesting rumors that are bubbling up right now when it comes to casting for some shows next year. And so I want to break down what we have heard and what might be going on with Real Housewives Ultimate Road Trip and with Real House Boys of Orange County. Now, starting with Road Trip, this is the big one. It is rumored that Nini Leaks is in talks to join this 20th anniversary, ultimate road trip, kind of a offshoot of Ultimate girls trip, Nini might be coming back to Bravo. Now, this is not confirmed. It's been reported by page six and some other outlets that they're in talks about this and it's scheduled to film early next year. But this would be pretty monumental because, as most of you probably

recall, Nini has had a tumultuous, you know, last few years when it comes to her relationship with Bravo. There's been a lawsuit. There's been, you know, back and forth with Andy Cohen of whether or not they're getting along and how she feels that she was done wrong. the network and yada yada yada there's a lot of water under that bridge let's just say but there has been kind of i think in the last maybe year or two a growing sentiment of okay maybe now that enough time has passed could there be a way for nini to to make her way back there was uh you know there were rumors that she was going to be on the traders that has not happened thus far but you know never say never. You know, obviously people always bring up the possibility of her coming back to

Real Housewives of Atlanta. It doesn't seem like that's in the cards. I mean, they've already filmed the next season that we know she's not on. But this ultimate road trip that they specifically announced at BravoCon as a way to mark the 20th anniversary of Housewives, it does seem like whatever this show is actually going to end up being, it's pretty vague right now. it does seem like it would be sort of the perfect way for Nini to return to the thing that she helped really create and turn into a cultural phenomenon. I haven't really seen much chatter about who the rest of the cast would be for ultimate road trip. I've seen some names thrown around, but definitely not like confirmed casting. But it does seem like they're kind of pulling out all the stops to make this an all-star, you know, Housewives extravaganza. And if they do that without Nini, I think, you know, you would feel it. And so I hope that they can make this work. I'm a little less, I don't necessarily have a strong opinion on Nini coming back to

Real Houseways of Atlanta at this point. I think obviously if she did, I would be excited. I don't think that necessarily the show needs her or she needs the show. I think that it kind of feels like we've maybe evolved past that. But I want to see her doing something. And it does feel like this would be sort of the right, you know, honor to bestow upon her and, let's say, check to put into her hands to bring her back to the network. So TBD on that, hopefully more details soon. But the other rumor that is, to be honest, more surprising and interesting to me is that it's reported that Jacqueline Lareda is in talks to come to season 20 of Real Housewives of Orange County.

Jacqueline Lareda, of course, A Real Housewives of New Jersey, OG from back in the day. She was on the show for like six seasons total. I am really intrigued by this because Jacqueline, since leaving the show, I think season seven was the last year that she was on the show. She and her husband and her sons moved to Las Vegas several years ago. And then I think three or four years ago moved to Orange County.

So they've been in California, in Southern California for a while. But apparently earlier this year, Jacqueline moved into the same neighborhood where Jen Padranti lives. And so now she and, you know, Jen has said that they're neighbors. There was a photo recently of Jacqueline

out to dinner or something with Jen and Gretchen, who I hope is not joining season 20 of Real Housewives of Orange County. But now there is this, you know, sources are saying there are reports. I was reading it page six. I think it's in other places too. that Jacqueline might be in talks for some sort of legit role on next season of Orange County.

And I don't know how I feel about this. Because Jacqueline is like, look, she was iconic on Real Housewives of New Jersey, but it feels like that is such a bygone era when she was on the show that to me, and I was talking about this with my good friend Gibson Johns on his podcast. cast. I don't really think it makes sense to map Jacqueline's New Jersey trajectory and how she showed up on that show onto what her on OC would look like in 2026. Because, I mean, obviously it's a completely different cast. It's a completely different, you know, vibe on that show. But also, I just feel like so much time has passed that the way Housewives was in, you know,

2009, 2012, 2015, which was probably around the last time we saw her, that kind of doesn't exist anymore. And so I am open to seeing Jacqueline come back. But at the same time, we have seen a lot of revolving door on OC in the last few years of bringing somebody back, trying, you know, reintroducing someone, adding someone back to the cast. And by and large, it has not been terribly. successful. I mean, obviously, bringing Heather DeBrow and Tamara back, I think, is in a little bit of a different category because they were such staples of that franchise that it really felt like a homecoming in a way and sort of inevitable. But it flopped with Alexis. It flopped with Gretchen. I'm sorry to say. And even like Taylor Armstrong previously went from Beverly Hills to Orange

County. And that didn't really pan out. I like Taylor. I thought it. was fun. But so with Jacqueline, it's, it's different because it's been such a long time since we've seen her in any capacity on Bravo. But at the same time, when I hear this news, I'm not like, oh, yes, queen, come save OC. I don't, I don't know how it would go. I'm interested. I think it would probably make more sense to have her sort of maybe give her one season to be like around a little bit as a friend, as a prominent guest. What's half of a friend? I don't know.

But I don't know if we need to rush into giving Jacqueline an orange. Like, I think I would probably rather reintroduce her in a smaller way, test out the vibe, see what is there. And then maybe season 21, she's holding an orange. I don't know. We'll see. it does seem like they're probably going to get back into filming pretty quick in the new year. So I'm excited to see what's happening with OC, but we probably won't have a season to watch until more like the summer. Okay, let's get into this week's shows.

Of course, we have Beverly Hills. Of course, we have Southern Charms, Salt Lake City, Potomac is happening. There's a lot going on. And I'm going to start with Beverly Hills because I thought this episode was really interesting. I, the early in this Beverly Hills season, I've been up and down a little bit. This is only the third episode. I am pretty intrigued by what is going on and what is starting to show up in the dynamic with Amanda. Amanda Francis, the money queen herself, our new housewife. Now, I have been hard on Amanda since the moment that bravoTV.com published her cast bio. And I don't plan to stop being

hard on her. I think that she is rightly getting clocked by Bose as somebody who seems like a bullshitter. A word I would use is grifter. That hasn't been brought up on the show. More on that in a second. But I just want to say when I am dragging Amanda, when I am criticizing Amanda and

poking holes in this money queen manifestation diva, work, you know, routine. I don't mean that I don't want her on the show. Because I think it is so important that we allow the space and time and grace for our villains to flourish and for our delusional queens to be delusional. And I think that sometimes what happens when there's somebody new on a show that isn't having a great reception is. it's like, oh, this person seems shady or this person seems, you know, like a liar, get her off the show. And, I mean, TBD, how I end up feeling about Amanda at the end of the season, it seems like a lot of

the women in the cast have quite a few issues with her. And I'm really excited to see those unfold. But when I say that Amanda, you know, seems like, you know, whatever adjective you could describe, I'm not saying I hate her and I want her off the show. And so just like disclaimer, because we're so quick to call for people to get fired. And that's not what I'm doing here. But I think it is really interesting to see in this episode, Derreet getting a lot of advice from a few different angles. And to sort of compare and contrast those, because at the beginning of the episode, Bose throws this speed dating event for the five, yes, count them, five single ladies in the group.

She like opens up her roll-a-d-x and gets a group of eligible suitors to come to her house. And this was kind of fun. I liked that this was like a group activity that wasn't just like sitting around the table and getting into the same argument from the prior three weeks. I thought the dating element was fun. It was really fun to see Derreet just like charming the pants off of all of these guys. Like that is a mode we haven't seen her in in a while. I loved when when Bose was talking to her assistant who was there kind of helping out. And she was like, oh, like, Doreet really seems to be hitting it off with this.

There was one of the guys was Australian. And the assistant goes, well, yeah, I mean, they both have accents. So I feel like that makes sense. It's like Doreen is from Connecticut. This man came from across the world in Australia. And Doret just like kind of talks like Catherine Hepburn. They're not the same. No, but it was fun.

it was interesting, I thought it was like fun to see how each of these women is kind of showing up and it was fun to see Erica being like a little like giddy and nervous and it was interesting to see, you know, Kyle and Sutton and Rachel kind of with their own vibes about, you know, dating and meeting new people and putting themselves out there. I think that this was actually a really like standout moment on Beverly Hills where I just like, I was enjoying it. And I think that that is something that Beverly Hills, a lot of the time in the last few years, what I feel like has been missing is like it's not that the season is horrible. It's not that there's no storyline or no drama.

It's that innate sense of fun and pleasure watching the show has just been a little bit hit or miss. Whereas I compare to a show like Potomac where this season, is Potomac having their best season ever? probably not. Are there storylines that are a little frustrating or seem a little cooked up or whatever? Yeah. But I'm like laughing my ass off watching this season of Potomac. And I

would love for Beverly Hills to just stay in this pocket of fun a little bit more while also incorporating obviously all the different things that these women are going through and serious things and you know, lots of different elements. But like, let's have fun.

Why can't we all have fun? But then it was interesting when they kind of, when they let the gentleman leave for the night and, you know, Erica got a card from one of them and she bestowed it upon Sutton. I'm like, okay, that wasn't, I guess that's a nice gesture. But it's like, if the guy gave you his card, he wants you to call him. If he wanted Sutton to call him, he would have given Sutton the card. I don't know. But Erica pulls Derreet aside and Sutton comes and joins them and they're kind of getting

the update on what's going. going on with Peké because last week there had been this whole thing of Doret wanting to send the kids to spend time with her parents in Florida and PK saying that he was going to try to block it. And, you know, obviously they're in this point of their separation right now where everything has become very contentious. And P.K. really seems like he's looking for any opportunity to sort of, like, you know, exact his revenge or whatever in his mind that he's cooked up with Doreet. And I thought that Sutton and Erica were giving Doreet such... like prudent advice as both friends and, you know, Sutton and Doreet have not always been friends,

but as friends and as women who have gone through similar situations in their lives, really like pulling out the threads of that experience and telling Doreet something that I think is important that she maybe wouldn't have thought of on her own, that it is really important for her to take that time for herself, to focus on her, you know, mental well-being and her, you know, self-care and her state of mind. Because, you know, Erica's pointing out that when you're in a contentious divorce or separation, any little thing that can be construed or portrayed as you not being in a good place or you having some, you know, some circumstance that makes you not the, not a good person to be, you know, with the kids or,

having certain finances or whatever, you really have to kind of dot all your eyes and cross all your T's there. And I think that that is something that for Doreet, it's like, that's real advice. That's like a real thing that she can hear and say, okay, you're right. I do need to really like take a step back and think about that. Cut to the end of the episode. We see Bows and Amanda sitting down at a restaurant and then Doreet shows up a few minutes later before Doret even gets there. you know, so Bose has just met Amanda for the first time the prior episode at Jennifer Tilly's party. And so Amanda's explaining to Bose, you know, sort of her background. And the second she starts talking, I know exactly what this is, because she's like, well, you know, yeah, I don't, I,

I didn't have a background in, you know, in business or finance at all. But, you know, I was therapist. Then I realized that, you know, the thing with finance is that it's like, it's not actually, like, the technical side is like important. Yeah, but it's also about psychology. And so, like, you have to really, like, you have to focus on yourself and, like, decide what you want. And so then I started coaching. And then I actually, you know, created a course so I could coach other, other people to be coaches. And then, you know, then I wrote this book called Rich as Fuck. And so now I'm known as the money queen. And the way that Bose's face is just completely glazing. over while Amanda is describing her whole career trajectory because it's like Bozeman St. John is a woman

who has been the fucking CMO of Netflix. She she's like doing strategy for Fortune 500 companies impacting global rollouts and marketing plans. And Amanda is like, yes, so I'm known as the money queen. Isn't that fantabulous? First of all, embarrassing. I mean, imagine. Imagine walking around and telling people that you are known as the money queen could never be me. I mean, the money queen, it's not even like a good nickname, the money queen. Like, what does that mean? But also to me, my spidey senses really, really perk up. Anytime somebody's thing is coaching other people so they can be coaches.

so then they can coach other people so they can be coaches. And then you find 12 more people that want to be coaches. And they pay you $5,000 for your coaching course to be a coach. And suddenly, you're standing at the bottom of something that looks a wee bit like a pyramid. If you catch my drift. There's a lot of people spending a lot of money to become coaches so they can coach other coaches to be coaches to coach other coaches to be coaches. It's a triangle-shaped thing with a 3D at the bottom. This is a thing.

And to me, I'm like, obviously coaching is not like a fake profession. But the whole idea that it's built upon recruiting more people to then be coaches, it's, it's alarm bells are going off to me that it's like, this is, this is a grift. And when Derreet shows up and she's, you know, launches right into explaining the background with P.K. and his fine and his business and how he lost everything in 2008, but then when they got married, they didn't have a pre-up because there was nothing to protect. So then now they don't have any real arrangement, but he said he was going to do XYC, but then he said that was only for a month so he can take away, whatever he wants to take

away. And Amanda's like, okay, so what about the retirement accounts? And Derreet says, there are no retirement accounts that she knows of. And then she's like, oh, Okay, investments and Doreet's like, you know, I'm not, I don't know, could be, I don't know. I mean, obviously, like, no matter what I think about Amanda, like anyone would be horrified to hear that Doreet and P.K. maybe don't have retirement accounts. Like, the idea that I am in better financial health than Doreet Kemsley is alarming. Because I'm not living in a mansion with raising two kids on a TV show wearing designer outfits every week. Like, I got a 401k.

I don't know what's in there right now, but it exists. And every time I get my paycheck, there's a little bit that's going in there. I don't know. I mean, I don't want to be, I don't want to be harsh on Doreet when she's going through this obviously, like, difficult process. But Amanda's advice to her is just maddening because she's like, so you have to take a step back and you have to decide what kind of provider do you want to be? What are you, where spiritually do you, when you think about being like a girl boss provider, what like fills your cup in a way that you

then want to like pass on and fill the cup of somebody else? When you're providing as a provider, like you have to think like how are you showing up as a provider? And again, Bose across the table is looking, you can tell, like, she has so fully clocked Amanda in this scene. And in the confessional, she's like, what frou-frew bullshit is this? Like, Derreit doesn't need to hear about what kind of provider she wants to be. And I'm watching this, I'm like, Derreet needs a forensic accountant. You remember when Sutton was like, I didn't even know that I owned the minor league baseball team until we had the forensic accountant go and investigate the accounts. That's what Doreet needs because I would bet money. You know, I'm not a, I'm not a betting man,

but if I were, PK's got something squirled away. There's some account. There's, I mean, I bet P.K. has a retirement account and Doret just doesn't know about it. And it's like, alarming to me that somebody in Amanda's position could be giving Doret just like wispy made up advice like this that doesn't actually mean anything. And Doret could say, yeah, you're right. I'm going to decide what kind of provider I want to be. And just take that at face value and think that she's like done some hard work. And I really hope that somebody like sends Doret a good, you know, contact for somebody who can actually help her because I certainly don't think it's going to be Amanda Francis. It is, before we move on, I want to touch on earlier in the episode also at

Bose's event. We get the most info out of Kyle that we've gotten about her romantic situation. Obviously, last week, she opened up to Erica about the fact that she had been in a relationship with somebody who didn't want to be on camera and her name was Morgan Reed. But Bose is kind of asking her about it. And I do feel like from this week on, I think we can sort of be good with talking about Kyle's dating situation. Like, now we're... we've, she's confirmed to multiple people that she, she was in a relationship. She tells Bose that she found love and she, you know, loved someone and now she's not. She's confirmed now. She says, I could go, Brad. I could go Angelina. She says that gender doesn't matter. I'm like,

Kyle Richards, pansexual queen. I feel like this is, and we know that right now, Kyle, like, isn't actively dating. She is not, she says she wants to get married again in the future, but she's not like, I don't think she's like going out on dates right now. So to me, I'm like, okay, it's been three episodes. Everybody's done their due diligence to try and get some answers about Kyle's personal life. I think we've gotten the answers that we're going to get.

Let's move on. So I appreciate the women asking the questions. And I do appreciate Kyle answering as many of them as I feel like she kind of can answer openly, I feel, I've gotten enough. I've gotten enough and I would like to move on. And I hope that everybody else feels the same. And, you know, I wish Kyle all the best. I hope that she does find love. And you know what? I hope it's with a lady. Because I don't, I don't need to see her with another real estate agent who has like done business with Maricio. And it's like a whole thing. And she just like introduce the girl, you know, Alexia just wants to have like asparagus and her artichokes and her, you know,

know, bridal bouquet. Like, I want Kyle to be with, like, a very handsome, masculine woman. That is what I see in her future. I want her to be with, like, like a Tignitaro. I want her, I want, I want Kyle to get married again, and I want her to wear a beautiful dress, and I want her to be marrying a woman in a suit. That's what I want for Kyle. Obviously, she should date whoever she wants. I'm just, if Amanda Francis can manifest, so can I. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, frame, and free people.

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And this week's episode was quite interesting. And I cannot let this year, you know, slip away without talking about what the fuck is going on with Angel. This debacle with Angel over her short-term rental that has run out early. so she is now having to leave the house that she and Bobby and the kids have been staying in and scuddle on home to Colorado in the middle of the season, in the middle of the night. It is kind of a conundrum. And the way that the rest of the cast is intaking this information and reacting to it is kind of delicious. I mean, Angel has not set herself up to receive the benefit of the doubt or to

have a lot of goodwill from these ladies so far in the season. So it, for her, at least, it is like extra unfortunate that now she finds herself in this position because if she were to leave tomorrow, I mean, I hate to say it, we just wouldn't ever think about her again. It's not like, oh my god, sad that Angel had to go. Let's, you know, we'll figure it out. We'll see her next season. It's like, I don't know if we'll ever see that girl again. She left in the middle of the night.

But no, so she, yeah, she has this short-term rental. And it really does seem like she just didn't book it for long enough. And maybe thought filming would be over sooner than it was. Or maybe Kiyarna gave her friend bad information. it does seem like you should be able to say, like, when you're talking to production about getting cast on the show and like what that commitment is going to look like in your life, I do feel like they should be able to give you a ballpark of how much time filming is going to take. Like, is this season that different from another season that they can't say, like, you definitely need to be here at least through July 1st? Like, that's because I don't think, to me, it's not an issue. in and of itself that Angel came to Maryland for filming.

Because she is from the DMV. She has talked throughout this season about the fact that they, she's been open, that they own their home in Colorado, which they want to keep, and they are currently renting in Maryland while they look for a home to move back and to purchase. We've seen it before on Housewives, you know, the fact that she has family and, you know, is from the DMV area. I don't think that it is like shady or reads as fake, that she basically was here for filming,

except you have to then get the ball across the finish line or into the end zone, I guess, as the OG Wag would say, of staying through the end of filming. Like, a lot of people have been comparing this that I've seen on social media to Meredith Marks, who famously is in a different rental home every season on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and pretty clearly does not spend that much time in Salt Lake when filming is not happening. She's talked about this. It's not really a secret at this point.

And so people are saying, oh, like, well, why are people dragging Angel for, you know, being there for filming when Meredith does it every year and nobody seems to care? And to be honest, the simple answer is Meredith has never had to pack up and leave in the middle of the season because she got the rental dates wrong on her house. And so it's it's not a good look. And then there's this, you know, Potomac and Ponies, Cowboy Carter, you know, dog and pony party at the end of the, at the end of the episode, why are they always in these like indoor soccer facilities on Potomac? Potomac and, and Atlanta and like married to medicine, I feel like are the only shows that do this where they're always at like an indoor rec center where there's like a net in the background

and, you know, you're seeing like the air conditioning ducts in the ceiling. I don't, is this normal? Like, why are we having our events at these, you know, like aluminum-sided buildings that are just like warehouses on the inside with a soccer field in the background? Bizarre. But so Angel is running very late to this party. And so everybody has already found out that she is skipping town. And they're talking about it, of course.

And then they're like trying to get in touch with Angel and her husband, Bobby, says, we'll get there when we get there. Okay. If you're two hours late, it's not we get there when we get there. It's like, at that point, why come? And, you know, Angel does eventually show up. It just seems like, it seems like she really is so one foot out the door on this show while it's still happening, it feels like she, it really feels like she is like quiet quitting this season.

Like she already wasn't having a good time. She and her bestie Kiyarna got into it early in the season, which I'm sure wasn't fun. And then on the trip to Nevis, it seemed like she hated, hated the entire time she was there. And now it's like, I could, like, they could find another place to stay in Maryland. You could book an Airbnb for tonight. But I think she wants to go home. And the women are going to go to Colorado on the season and, like, stay with her or see her. I don't know. So she's not leaving the show, but it does just seem like, man, I don't think she actually wants to be there.

I don't know. I think our days of seeing Angel on Real House House of Potomac seem like they might be numbered. Though she is kind of, she was popping up on social media this week with some long tweets or threads. posts about people telling lies about her and, you know, not getting the full story and yada, yada, yada. So it does seem like she has some, she has some fight left in her while the show is airing, but it does seem like on the season she just is kind of checking out. And I can't say that I'm that upset about it.

I want to talk now about Salt Lake City. The women are still in Greece. This Greece trip, unfortunately, the Greece trip is not as fun as I was hoping it would be, because we have not been able to fully really move on from what's going on and the fallout of the plane back from Canawan and, you know, Whitney calling Meredith a pill popper and an alcoholic, which comes to the forefront this episode. And, you know, Heather badgering Meredith for some sort of apology that she's clearly not ever really going to get in a satisfying way. And it's interesting because I feel like this is one of the first times where it feels like Salt Lake has got. into a rut like this where they are not reading the room and moving on in a way that makes the season feel like it's dragging a little bit. And I don't want to blow this out

of proportion and act like this is, you know, making the season, you know, not great or whatever, it's been a great season. I just think that in this specific scenario, it's like, okay, we get it. We can move on from this now. Hey, guys. I did really laugh at, um, Bronwyn um, Bronwyn printing out a chart with the group's, um, friendship commandments that they came up with at her Boston's

build a tea party and putting the marker on the wall so, so they can give people, uh, tally marks when they, when they don't obey one of the friendship commandments. And she's calling it a reverse sticker chart where you don't want to get a sticker. This is, so like this is the kind of thing that it's like,

okay, Every housewife's trip should have an anti-sticker chart on the wall. Because this is something where it's actually so funny when they come back to the house after like going somewhere. And Lisa's like laughing about giving Whitney like tallies on her, on her commandment chart. Like that's fun. That's silly.

It's like petty and funny. And I don't think anybody's going to get their feelings hurt, you know, famous last words. But that's the kind of thing I'm enjoying. But then we cut to like Heather saying, she's like, I know I shouldn't keep having the same conversation with Meredith, but I really just want some answers. And it's like, girl, I know you want answers, but sometimes we can't always get what we want. And so on this, a van ride to donkey riding, and Meredith, it's Mother's Day. We've heard from the beginning of the episode, good morning, happy Mother's Day, it's Mother's Day, we're in Greece on Mother's Day. Heather's

like, I'm so glad I'm not with my kids on Mother's Day. Woo! Honor Code, what? Um, no, but so they're on the, they're in the van and Meredith and Heather are like in the middle of going at it in the van and Meredith picks up the phone. Like literally like mid sentence in an argument. She's like, hi, Brixie. Oh my God. Thank you. Yeah, it's Mother's Day. Oh, yeah, I'm in Greece. Happy Mother's Day. And they, these women are not having it. They, they badger Meredith to get off the phone. they're like put the phone down. We're all here. And we all know that it's Mother's Day.

None of us are with our kids on Mother's Day. We're all here. Put the phone down. So she does. Now we're still on the van. And Whitney is now like needling into Meredith about why don't you trust me and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And why are we always having these issues? And Lisa Barlow coming in the sand, she's like, baby, you called her a pill popper.

Like, what do you mean? Why doesn't she trust you? You've been on camera this season with like. allegations about her. But no, it's, the vibe is not great. And Meredith is getting to the place where it, it feels like she is sort of shutting down a little bit. And, you know, when they have this cooking class later, Meredith is the last one to show up.

And she like totters onto this, you know, plateau that they're on and sits down at the table. And the, like, the, like, Greek man who's leading the cooking class is like, oh, like, welcome. I'm just like, thank you. Thank you for welcoming me. Yeah. You know, it's really, thank you for welcoming me. She's like sitting down and then she's not really engaging, disengaging, one could say.

And the guy's like, oh, like, are you okay? She's like, you know, actually I'm not okay. Because I was, now I'm not going to get to talk to my son on Mother's Day. No, no, Heather, no Whitney, I'm not because Brooks is getting on a plane. So I will not get to talk to him on Mother's Day. And I, I'm just upset. I'm upset. And look, I understand.

Like, I'm not a mother. I don't proclaim to, to know what feeling a mother's love. It's like, I have a mother. I love my mother. I do think it's a little, I don't know, every woman in this group has children. And every woman in this group is, as we can see, not with their children on Mother's Day. I don't know if other people are having phone calls at different times that we're just, not seeing for a dramatic effect.

It is a little bit like, okay, was it polite for you to get shouted off the phone? Maybe not, but also was it polite for you to pick up the phone in the middle of the conversation? I think Meredith would have been set up for success more in this situation if she had said, my son's going to call me at some point. He has a flight later. So whenever he calls, I will, I'm going to pick up because it's the only chance I'll have to talk to him.

I think they were just mad because in the moment. it felt like you picked up the phone to get out of the conversation. But then, oh my God, when Meredith says, I'm just not going to get to talk to my son today. And Brittany, Brittany, what about me, Bateman? Goes, well, I didn't get to talk to my kids for three years. Brittany, not now. Brittany! Also, like, based on the version of events we've heard, it's like, okay, maybe you didn't.

I think what I'm maybe flagging is the use of the phrase get to. Like, she, I believe that she didn't talk to her kids for three years, but maybe she should examine what happened to put her in the circumstance of her children not speaking to her. Because I would say the use of passive voice there is maybe not fully appropriate. Maybe because of my actions, my children wouldn't speak to me for three years is, is more kind of the framing that would be a little bit more contextually accurate. But in the moment, either way, that is just not something that Meredith is going to respond well to. But Brittany kind of steps in it once again, because later in the episode, we find out that Brittany

has a trademark on high body count. And this is something that Housewives do not play about. because when you are on a show like this and you have a catchphrase or an iconic moment or anything that kind of pops off, that is a financial opportunity. And so for Brittany to take this thing that Angie said about her and that Angie came up with and Angie delivered the line and to trademark it as your own and to potentially make money off of it, I do believe that's a no-no. And Brittany is like, oh, well, I had to stand there and take it. So why shouldn't I? And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because it's the creativity.

And I love that. And she's like, Brittany, the only thing that she's had that's been iconic, the only line she could come up with in two years is ting, ting, ting, ting. And now she wants to take my high body count hair. Uh-uh. Now, the alternate point of view here could be that it's sort of first come first served when it comes to the trademarks that if Angie wanted to trademark high body count, she just should have been on the ball and done it quicker. I think it's just a little cringe. And also I'm like, what is

Brittany going to do with that? Or she's going to put it on a mug? Yeah, I'm sure that'll sell like hot cakes. It just feels like Britney. With her, it's like, what is it? One step forward, two steps back. Three? No. Because she's, she takes one step forward. But then she takes two steps. It's like, she's not, every time she kind of is like starting to sink in with the group a little bit more, starting to feel like she is like being accepted. She just has these things that pop up that it's like, babe, you can't do that. That's not how it works.

And I think that that is something where these women are savvy. These women know what they're doing. And Brittany makes it tough for herself. You can't trademark the high body count. And she's like, what are you going to trademark slut next? I'd like to see it. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play,

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I don't know what it is about this specific storyline thread, but I just I'm so over it. And it's not doing anything for me. And I think specifically the way that the combination of the way that Craig is conducting himself this season and the way that Sally seems to think it is like a badge of honor to have a vague flirtation ship with Craig. And at this point, like a Las Vegas residency in his hot tub, she thinks that that's like really a badge of honor and it's certainly not.

I mean, Charlie, Charlie kind of innocent, she seems cute and nice, whatever. I just don't care about this at all. And I, but I, actually, I do care about it in a way that I don't want to hear more about it. Sally literally is acting like Craig's hot tub is like the portal to a different dimension. She's like, all I wanted to do is have fun and hang out in the hot tub. And now then when I go in the hot tub, it's becoming an issue because she's not in the hot tub. And then I just was going to be in the hot tub. And I thought it would be fun to be in the hot tub.

And oh, can you go get me a drink so I don't have to get out of the hot tub? And it's like, enough. Like, okay, hot tub McGee over here. still in the hot tub. Would you believe it? I don't think that Craig cares about Sally at all. I think that Craig has a crush on Charlie. I don't think that he cares about Charlie at all.

It just is like with these people, enough. And I think that Craig, too, like, after blowing up at Austin at Wittner's birthday, like he apologized to Austin. But then when Madison is talking to him about it, it's clear that he's not like actually sorry or doesn't feel like he did anything wrong. And so he's like, What am I supposed to do? Like, you know, apologize again.

Like, what? Like, change my mind. And it's like, I mean, yeah. Because Austin, so Austin doesn't come to Craig's party because he's in Charlotte, presumably with his girlfriend, Audrey. And the second that Craig hears this, he's like, oh my God, he's like, he's living a lie. He doesn't even want him. And it's like, okay, you're barely on speaking terms with this guy.

You can't be mad at him because he's spending the weekend with his girlfriend, who is, however Austin feels about that relationship at the time, she was still his girlfriend. He's not like doing anything wrong by going to see her. And I think that Craig, for whatever reason, feels this like personal, you know, investment in Austin's choices. And it's like, you guys are not on that page right now. You're not like in that place where you can have that kind of like input on how he's living his life, especially when Craig seems like a damn mess this season. And Madison's talking to him about it.

And she's basically like, she's doing like the Mary Cosby to Meredith thing from after the plane. And she's like, no, babe, like, are you okay? And they're talking about how he doesn't, he, you know, he doesn't know how to go and meet people without being like fun Craig out at the bar. And that he doesn't know how to be fun Craig out at the bar when he's not getting wasted. And I mean, I do think it's, I think it's good that Craig is recognizing this as potentially a problem. I am not holding my breath for him to like do a 180 and, you know, fix all his issues, which, you know, for anybody would be hard. But it just seems like Craig is particularly like not in that space of really like healing and self-reflection right now. But I don't know.

I don't know. All I know is that I'm real sick of hearing about that hot tub. And I also think Sally and Craig, I really don't appreciate the way that they're both dealing with Vanita. I, again, I don't think that Vanita always makes the most perfect decisions. But when, you know, Sally is like, Vinita, why are you being a bitch? Like, you said that you were weary of me. And Vinita's like, yeah, because, like, you're spending all this time with somebody that has been bad to me. And she's like, well, oh, oh.

Well, I don't, I don't want you to be mad at me, but I also don't, I don't want to stop hanging out with Craig. It's like, me love, like, sometimes you're going to have to make a choice. And it's clear, like, the choice that's, like, clearly Sally has already decided. She just doesn't want the, the blowback that might come with actually owning that decision, which I think makes it even more frustrating. Because if she just said, you know, I'm, I have whatever thing with Craig and with the hot tub right now. and I don't want to break up with the hot tub, sorry, with Craig, with whatever is going on with that. I want to explore the connection with the hot tub, sorry, with, no, with Craig.

Like, then just don't be friends with Vanita right now. Because right now what she is doing is she's trying to ride the fence and she's being a shitty friend to Vanita. And she's kind of showing her ass in the situation with Craig. And I'll just end with this. Leave Molly's vagina out of it. I don't care if a man paid for that. I don't care if she paid for it herself. What?

2019? We're talking about something that happened six, seven years ago? Who cares? Like, just truly. And I mean, yes, it was, it was messy that Vanita told, uh, told Sally about it. It was messy that Sally was talking about it. Like, I feel bad for Molly in that situation because it's like truly her private business that is now a topic of conversation. Just everybody stay out of it. And, you know, stay out of the hot tub. Stay out of Molly. stay out of Molly's pants. Everybody, mind your own business. Hands to yourself.

That's where I leave you today. We will see you the next couple Tuesdays, but signing off of Friday episodes for this year. Thanks so much everybody for listening. It has been a wild ride this year, and I can't wait to just keep on trucking. So don't forget to rate, review, follow the show, subscribe to our YouTube channel,

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