Mention It All - Dorit’s Horrifying Robbery Story (RHOBH Reunion, Winter House)

Episode Date: October 28, 2021

Dylan is joined again by Sami and Jordana, and they begin with the breaking news about the armed robbery at Dorit’s home. As filming for season 12 gets underway, what does this mean? Then, they unpack part 3 of the RHOBH reunion, where Erika faced more questions about her legal situation. She finally gets called out for not acknowledging the victims, but she tiptoes around some of the toughest topics. Later, they recap Winter House, where Lindsay arrives in a blizzard of chaotic energy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, once again, joined by Sammy Sage and Jordane Abraham, because it is a Thursday, and we're talking, Beverly Hills. Hello, ladies. How's it going?

It's okay. We just saw some really mind-blowing news. So it's going weirdly at the moment. How about you? It's going intensely because the Daily Mail just within the last hour posted exclusive. R-H-O-B-H-B-H-B-H-Star, Doreat Kemsley is held at gunpoint and robbed of jewelry and handbags during 20-minute home invasion ordeal by three men who said they were going to kill her while she was asleep at home with her kids. It's a lot of information packed in a headline. Yeah. You really get the whole story.

I hope everyone's okay. First of all. That's wild. She was held at gunpoint. I mean, I don't, I mean, ask Kim Kardashian how well you are after your held at gunpoint. I guess I mean like not like physically. Not well, bitch. Okay. Not like doing great. Right. I think it's, it says no one was harmed.

What did they take? Jewelry. It says jewelry and handbags. Maybe they didn't have like, I mean, we know based on last night's reunion, we can just get into it. She owns a lot of designer goods. The thing to me is that she owns a lot of clothing. Like she wears like these full runway outfits and told Andy on last night's episode that she buys every single piece. So like jewelry and handbags aside, like her closet just of like coats and jackets and all of that stuff would also be like in the six to six to six.

figures for sure. Totally. It's like if you see a man walking down the street in a full Louis Vuitton outfit, you'll know that he is, uh, Dorettes Robert. You have a Louis Vuitton, like monogram trench coat. Yeah.

It'll be easy to spot. Um, but it's funny. I feel like it's, she said she buys all of those clothes on her own, like when you're done wear, it like she's wearing them twice. Not like she's wearing that outfit twice.

Those aren't, outfits you can like wear every week. Didn't they say she was saving them for Phoenix? I guess. Not anymore, I guess. That's why like when Andy's saying, oh, are they being loaned? Like is the brand like sending it to you? Like because if it's something you're just wearing once for like a filming event or a party or something like I wouldn't necessarily want to keep that in my closet for space reasons.

But it's like it's also just an extremely expensive. undertaking. And I think Andy and certainly me wants to know, like, how are you affording, like, full runway looks from like new season Gucci, Louis Vuitton, Chanel? Like literally every single designer, she like steps out in a head to toe moment. And I'm like, I, obviously, I, we don't understand Doreen and PKK's finances. Just full stop. We don't know. But like, it's a lot of money. Still probably less expensive than Erica's Glam Squad flying first class with her everywhere. Maybe Jareet only buys those for the filming. Like, what's Derey wearing on a regular day where she's not filming?

Like, maybe, you know, maybe it's not as much as we think because she only is buying maybe 10 of those looks for filming. I guess that's true. I picture her wearing like a skims cozy set around the house, 365 days. a year because the air conditioning is like nice and crisp. Yeah. Yeah. How much you think one of the outfits costs if she's buying 10 of them a year? Let's look it up.

Let's look at like Louis Vuitton.com. If you look at designer ready to wear, it is expensive. Like a leather, like a, that like coat is probably like $3,000. Like these are. So the whole outfit is probably like, let's say the outfit's $10,000. Right. Like the shoes a thousand. And she buys 10.

Yeah. There's a, $100. thousand dollars a year on on filming outfits a lot but like a lot obviously but if they're really worth millions not like the most preposterous thing i've ever heard in my entire life it ranges like there's this monogram mink bomber jacket that i could see her wearing that's 16 000 so like let's give is that that that's a real fur i'm assuming yes but yeah i get's mink yeah you're looking at like 5 to 10k in a coat, you're probably looking at like 1,500 to 2,000 on shoes. And then, you know, you're probably, I think let's say you're looking at 20K per outfit. Oh. And then the bags get spread.

The bags get like spread across multiple wares. We're going to have to move on quickly or else Sammy's going to start adding to cart. I'm looking at 250K in Doreet filming wardrobe. Sam, it's like, oh, this one's a little less, and it's really cute. When you see something for 16K, suddenly $3,000 seems like very important. I have been down that slope before. Very positive. Well, it's on sale, so now it's, I mean, it's like still expensive, but it's on sale. Right.

Well, also just speaking to like housewives and searching last night, I was playing like Zillow or two nights ago. I was like looking at Zillow. I like to just look at Zillow and like see like what you can get for like this amount and this place. So I was in the three millions in the Upper East side because I just, you know, I want as one does. Yeah. You're not alone.

I like to see like what can you get for three million? What can you get for five million? Like what's the difference between that apartment? So three million, we're at the three millions and I'm looking at one apartment. And all of a sudden Kelly Ben Simone is in one of the listing photos. I was just like what she's like modeling the house. So you Sammy, you didn't know that she was like doing real estate now. No.

She's on like one of the Bravo real estate. She popped up. She popped up on a few episodes of million dollar listing New York. But she wasn't like one of the brokers on the show. Like they were just kind of like, oh like Kelly Ben Simone's at this broker's open. Like she's been killing the real estate game. And it's like, okay. Is she going to be on the show?

Like, is there an end game here? She seems into it, though, from following her on Instagram, which that's the blessing and the curse of running a Bravo account is that I am constantly seeing what way too many of these people are up to. But like she seems like she's taking it seriously and like hustling. And I don't know how much she's like selling, but she posts like some really nice properties. Yeah. She was in the three millions, you know? Well, it's funny how, like, I guess the better, the more higher up in real estate you get, the, like, more expensive homes you get. Do you think, do you think she started off showing, like, studios in bedstye or something?

No, I think her connections, like, you know, got her. She worked her way up. I don't think she worked her way up. I think she probably started where she, like, is now and is sort of in, like the- You don't think she's, like, she's not, like, the girl from your high school that's, like, getting her realtor's license and selling, like. Yeah, that's true. No. But she's also not on like Mauricio level, you know, she's not selling $30 million homes either. Very few. Very few are on the Maricio level. Let's be real.

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Andy said people would love to see Kim on the show and Kyle was like, I think it'll happen. it'll happen soon at some point and I'm like okay is that season 12 like is Kim are they like talking to Kim about it they already started filming so maybe she makes like an appearance here she does that I feel like in a lot of seasons she comes she came to like Farroween well it is her it is her niece's party you know oh yeah I don't think she should come back to the show in a any sort of major role like so funny sorry going that seems like a bad decision for her wellness, but like coming to a party and seeing her like interact that I would

definitely be into. Agreed. I don't think she should be like required to be anywhere. You know, like that's just totally like by contract like no contracts for Kim. I agreed when they were like Kathy and Kim are very similar, but it's like Kathy has enough money to get away with her quote unquote quirkiness. Oh, totally. Do you know what I mean? Like when Kim does it, it's like sad. And when Kathy, Kathy does it, it's like, oh,

it's so cute. She doesn't know where anything is at all and is late. And like, yeah, because you have with, it's like a double whammy

because you have, obviously she's not as wealthy as Kathy. And then there's like the substance abuse. Side of it too. So every time Kim is being eccentric, you're like, that's sad. Also,

is she okay. Whereas with Kathy, it's like, Kathy. Right. Oh, that's like Kathy. Kathy's like,

cookie vibe really reminds me of, Gwyneth Paltrow, like the way she will be on social media and stuff, like, acting like, acting like, acting silly. And I'm like, when Taltrow is like, not that quirky. I don't believe it. Well, what do you think of the fact that Kyle kind of like plays so normal? Like, she comes across as so not quirky. And they were like, she can be weird.

I'm like, no, she can't. I feel like Kyle has almost like, I like Kyle, but I feel like she's sort of painted herself into this corner of being like the main character on Beverly Hills who isn't going to like really like stray too far from being sort of like friendly to everyone and like she doesn't want to be like obviously messy and she doesn't want to be seen as a villain ever. And like I think for the most part it still works for her but there are certain times where I'm like just like let loose a little bit like you're Kyle Richards. Nobody's going to be like why was Kyle acting silly?

Like, I don't know. Last season, I actually felt like she was being really annoying. When she was like, everyone needs to tell the truth. Do you remember, like, Denise Richards house? Yes, when she was like, she latched on to Brandy and was like, Denise, just be honest. And like that was a little much. Like, that felt like Rina-ish. But then this season, I think she kind of stayed in the middle more.

And like, I think that benefited her in the Erica situation. Totally, because she wasn't like, she wasn't like Sutton level questioning, but she also wasn't, like, not, she was kind of like talking shit about her behind her back, which helped keep her like, okay, we kind of are still interested in what you have to say, even if you're not saying it to her face. The reason Kyle doesn't make like that good drama, or at least she hasn't since like the really early seasons is because I think she tries to stay, she tries to like, A, stay out of the drama. Well, no, she doesn't try to stay out of it, but she tries to make herself someone who stays out of it. but if you want to have a good storyline, you need to embrace the fact that you're going to be at odds with someone for a while. She's been doing this a while.

I think she knows exactly how much, how far she can go while still being liked. And I think she's got that formula down, pretty down pat. I think she learned a lot from Lisa Vanderpump around like how much like is too much in terms of like manipulation and trying to create a story. I think she probably learned a lot from that relationship

on like how do I get others to kind of like, I think she does it better than LVP because LVP is a little too obvious, but she does have that same sense of like, I'm going to get everyone else. I'm sort of going to like facilitate the drama, but not fully be in it, but like make a comment or two here and there. So I'm still kind of interesting.

While saying she hates drama. Right. I feel like we've seen this happen on a bunch of shows where it's like somebody that's really good at being a housewife will sometimes get a little bit, too into the game. Like, you can play the game well, but then you, if you get lost in the game, then you have to, you know, pull yourself out.

And I think with somebody like Brandy or maybe, like Leanne Locken, I think was a good example on Dallas. It's like, you're really good at being a housewife, but you still have to like play within the construct. Yeah. And you have to be able to keep yourself in a position where it makes sense for you to stay on the show and you're not alienating everybody. You're not spinning out of control. And I think Kyle never, she never gets close to that line, whereas I think with Lease, with Vanderpump a couple

seasons ago, it was like, oh, you actually like can't really reel this one back in. And she chose to leave rather than be in a position of weakness. We should do a whole episode on housewives that like, housewives that flew too close to the sun. I love that idea. And then got burned. Yeah. Totally. They got, It got in their head like too quick, too fast, and then they just sort of zapped themselves off the show. I love that idea. Yeah. I feel like that might be, depending what happens with New York, I could see like a Leah McSweeney moment in that. I could see that too.

I don't see her staying on that. Yeah. A lot. We'll see. Okay. So then we talk about Crystal. I do. It makes me happy that Crystal and Sutton seem to be like genuine.

passed their issues in like real life. But of course, then we're on the reunion. So we have to talk about it again. And Sutton still doesn't understand the use of the word violated in this case, which was frustrating because I'm like, in the moment, I got that she was like emotional about it. But now it's like, look, look it up in the dictionary. You've had months.

Crystal's not wrong. It's also just like, let's not spend time on this. Yeah. Like let the violated thing go. I actually thought Crystal, like, I really liked her a lot more after this, this reunion episode. Yeah. She seemed like, I don't know. I guess she was talking about a lot of vulnerable stuff between like her dad and the racist comments and like her weight issues.

And like it just made her seem much more. Although she had been talking about that, I guess, scattered throughout. But I don't know. I felt like for her. Okay. Especially after listening to Crystal, come on, mention it all. It's, I now see her. like her whole season a little bit differently,

like now hearing her reflect back on like where she was when she was going through the filming because I think she was not, I really don't think she like understood what she was getting herself into. And there you're watching almost like the opposite of a Kyle where it's someone who does not understand those like nuances of how to come across in certain ways. So I think she was really interesting to watch just knowing that you're watching. like a pure performance almost. And I think all of those things that Jordana you were saying about her,

I think she's a really good example of someone who obviously has the very privileged, perfect looking life. Her husband is, you know, famous and wealthy and successful and they have the house, the kids, all this stuff. But she has a lot of, you know, baggage stuff that she's dealt with in her life. And none of it feels like she's bringing it onto the show to use. for a storyline. It's just her life, and I'm glad that she's being open about it and sharing it, because I think it does endear us to her and make her more relatable, however you want to look

at that. But, you know, sometimes when women come on these shows, and then it's like, oh, well, I have this family drama that is really stressful. And, like, you know, my mom and I fight all the time, like, do you want to see that? And with Crystal, it feels very, it feels more organic. And I, appreciate that. Totally agree. Where it's like, it doesn't seem like I'm like, how can I like storyline my family into this? What did you think about the leather pants?

Were they ugly? I didn't even have line. I wouldn't think about it. I wouldn't wear them. I think if I saw them, I wouldn't think about them after I left. Me either. I actually could relate a lot to Crystal's like,

like attitude towards nice things too. She's like, I don't really think or like care about nice things. things, but if someone, like, gives me a nice thing, like, yeah, I'll use it. Okay. Come on. I think she doesn't care about nice things because she's always had them, like, for, in her adult life.

I think once you have, once you're a certain, you don't own that special Hermes back if you don't give a fuck. Like, that is a special condition. If you're a certain point of wealth, give it away. I mean, if you're in a certain, like, wealth bracket, it's easy to be like, I don't need nice things and it's like, oh, you like this house. Let's see when you don't have it. And she said during the season that she loves throwing parties for other people.

Oh, yeah. She hosts other people's events at her home like three times a week. So expensive. And that is extremely, that's a very frivolous way to spend money on your friends. It didn't sound like it. I don't know for, like, totally. I would throw parties for people if I had her money. Oh, my God.

If someone planning a wedding, I'm like, I am never spending. Get away from my house. Not at my house. Ever again. I would throw, if. I were rich like her, which, you know, hopefully, I would throw parties like that. I would love to attend those parts. I think attending them seems like, but I'm like, totally.

I'm like, I would love to attend them. I think it's great to get host, but I'm like, who would ever want to take on the responsibility and financial burden of like thinking of the details of all these little events? Well, when the bag that's sitting on your counter is $90,000, I don't think you really worry about like how much the cupcakes are going to cost. Like, I just, you know, I think you're in a place. doesn't matter. I would gladly attend the Rina Beauty Lipkit lunch.

I would not plan the Rina Beauty Lipkit lunch. She had fucking like cabanas for that. Like, oh, they're so wasteful. Events are so, I know they are so wasteful, but they are wonderful.

They do, they're the stuff of life. Come on. I know, but, yeah. Think about all your fun memories. They're at events.

Yeah, but they could have been at like, in like the park. Like it wouldn't have been, the memories are. or not like, oh, and that like three-tiered layer cake with the like from the expensive bakery, it's like, oh, like my friends were there and we had a great time hanging out. Right.

But it's about creating an ambiance. And she. The step of life. She has, look, here's the thing. She clearly, it clearly is not, you know, making a dent. So. Well, this is why, Dylan, when you started. Better spend your money on other people.

We were getting a batch's office. I was like, oh, we'll just get like a basement in. like a room with like no windows and like it'll be cool because the space is there. Yeah. She's like everyone will be together. What is not going to involve you in this conversation? That works. She's like everyone would be together.

They'd be collaborating in the basement. The new batch's office is lovely. So whatever, whatever the arrangement was. So this was for our first office. You're like, we'll take whatever the smallest, cheapest we work spies. Yeah. So do you remember that do you guys, did you guys watch Silicon Valley? They sit on each other's laps.

Do you remember in Silicon Valley when they show them the first office and it's like literally that? Yeah. And I was like, oh yeah, that makes sense. We're a startup. We digress. Yes. Okay. Let's get to the main course, which is all of our Erica conversations.

This was the night that Andy was supposed to put Erica on the skewer and turn up the heat, which turned out to be a joke when they were like not rolling, which annoyed me because I was like, no, like, put her on the skewer. But I thought there was some juicy stuff in this episode. It really was the last 15 minutes. You know, it was not the majority of the episode. So obviously they're carrying over into part four because Bravo hates us and wants us to. Honestly, I'm grateful to Bravo.

If I didn't have anything to watch next Wednesday, then that would be one more Wednesday where I had nothing to watch. So I am thrilled that it's another week. even if there's filler. I don't care. If it was just air the remaining footage for more Wednesday nights, I would watch the remaining footage too. Yeah, I thought it was, I mean, it did seem like a little repetitive. The Erica conversation to the conversation they had last week, it sort of seemed like they'd

already like done it, but this was more about like the victims. But it seemed like, again, the same conversation reiterated. It didn't seem very different to you? The first set was supposed to be about her marriage, like pre-lawsuit. And then this was supposed to be about the lawsuits. So even though they're all intertwined partially because she wanted to confuse us and like make them all about the same thing, they're actually totally different because one could get a divorce separate from lawsuits.

I appreciate in this part when Erica was said, I'm here to answer any of your questions, which, L.O.L. I liked how Andy sort of let the women ask their burning questions. because I think it's been so long since they filmed the season during some of the episodes, watching it was sort of, why aren't you asking more questions? Come on, like, ask the questions. And so, you know, Garcel had a question. Crystal had a question. People, these women clearly are curious about the situation. They feel like things that have happened affect them or they have feelings about it. And Garcel, you know, I think one of the most frustrating things has been

Erica continually being like, why would you think this affects you? Of course it doesn't affect you. How dare you even wonder if it affects you? And so Garcel brought up right away, why can't you understand why we might be concerned about this or think that we might maybe should be concerned about this? It's weird that she doesn't get it. I think she gets it. I think it's like she's too defensive. It's like, I feel like it's not that she doesn't get it. It's that she's decided that she's not going to accept it publicly. She's not going to acknowledge it. And when Sutton says, you know, after she read the article ad nauseum and Erica ran away and she calls the LA Times article a hit piece, which just like objectively is not. It's not Star Magazine. Right. She was talking

about it like it was a radar online like gossip mag. It's clear that Erica has certain things where I don't think she's stupid. I don't think she doesn't understand. It's like she is not going to, she has her reality that whether she believes it or not is the, the public line that she's going with. And she's not going to say, you know what? That LA Times article was fair.

Well, that's actually a very effective strategy. Like you see, I hate to say it, you see Donald Trump get away. Like, that is the strategy. It's like if you just do not acknowledge. certain things, then the conversation never gets to certain places where you wouldn't be able to handle it. Like, she, like, it's not that she's, it's not that she doesn't understand why they care, or it's not that, like, she doesn't think the LA Times is, like, she doesn't know that the LA Times is, like, legitimate, like, outlet. It's that if she were to acknowledge those things, the conversation

would be out of her control, and then she wouldn't be able to, like, handle that. It's not, it's really more about like putting up a barrier from the conversation going certain places. Right. And when she says over and over again, well, if anybody asked you, you know the truth and you know that anything negative is bullshit. And the whole thing is we don't know the truth. These women don't know the truth. They know what you're telling them. They know what they think they know. But Erica herself is saying it's going to be a long time before we know the full truth. So to say like, well, you would never be liable because you know the truth. It's like, what?

Right. I mean, what actually do we? Like that was another part of the strategy. It's like putting words in their mouth that they know that she's innocent when like, I'm sure that's not simply all that they think. Right. And it's kind of like, what if, what if the news, what if the lawsuits were because she killed someone or because Tom killed someone? Like would they be like, she'd be like, this is nothing to do with you.

Like it doesn't have to affect you. It's kind of like, yeah. affects them because it's also just kind of like this is who could this be who their friend is as a person affects your friendship with somebody. You can't say like your lawsuits have not like if you one of you were being sued for like murdering someone last year. I'd be like, yeah, that might make me think about our friendship. It wouldn't have nothing to do with me. That's why she says that thing. Yeah. That's what Kyle said way back at the meeting with at Dorit's house. She's saying, I'm not going to desert my friend because she's getting divorced or she's broke or any of this stuff. but if we find out that you did this shady shit,

that's a whole different ballgame. And I think Erica's just like not accepting that that part of the dynamic is like real or valid. And it just is. It just you can't pretend it doesn't exist. That's why she keeps saying, you all believe me. You know I'm telling the truth. It's like, no one really is going to be like, actually, we don't. Right.

If she says it enough times. Or we're not there. scared of her. Or even like we're not sure because like fine. If it's your friend, if I don't, if you were, Sammy, let's say you were accused of, of this. Let's say it's in the same situation. Yeah. I would be like, okay, like I, I'm not saying I know you're innocent, but like I maybe I'm not sure is a appropriate answer, which is like, I think that she's like, if I saying I'm not sure, you're like turning on me.

But Erica's personality doesn't allow for that. Like, like, that's why she keeps, she can't under. she has to pretend she doesn't understand Garcell's question. Yeah. And I loved that then Kathy had a question. I was like, okay, Kathy, like get in there. She asks, because she doesn't watch TV, how is this different from, you know, there have been legal issues and stuff on other shows.

And Andy jumps in and he's like, well, on New Jersey, it was fraud, you know, with the government, the IRS, stuff like that. And so in this case, it's different because there are literal victims. and Garcell, Crystal, D'Reit Sutton, everybody on the couch basically is like, bingo, that's why. Also, if you watch The Housewife and the Hustler, you have a message of Tom Girardi lying to his client slash victims face. Like, that is not the same as, like, Joe Judice,

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She says, she says, I've never said I was the victim. I'm not a victim. And then Sutton is like, well, sometimes it just, it feels like. And she's like, well, my life is upside down. How could I not be crying? How could I not be sad? How could I not be all of this stuff? And it's like, you're describing yourself being a victim.

Also, like, no one, no one is saying that she shouldn't feel sad or she shouldn't be crying. They're kind of like, we want you to like channel that into sympathy for someone else. And it's so strange to hear her express. I don't know if she has convinced herself that she has expressed remorse or whatever for the victims publicly. But she says, you know, I feel this way. And I've said that I feel this way. And I know all of us watching at home. And all of the women are like, no, you have not.

And it's so hard to watch somebody that's so out of touch with how every single person is watching and experiencing what's happening. But then, like, in the same breath, she justifies that by saying, like, I can't say anything legally. So it's, it doesn't make sense. Well, the legal argument, again, like, I think we talked about this last time, where it's like, I can see why there's this part of maybe she was advised, like, to say, like, I feel so terrible for the victims is to acknowledge. that there are victims is to sort of admit guilt legally. So I do see how that could play some sort of factor, but then like don't make it about you. Even if she said, if these are victims,

like if she kept repeating that if there were victims or like if this is true, it is so terrible. Like that's just not what she's focusing on. Right. The alleged victim's thing comes back into play. And I definitely I get from a legal standpoint that she is in a tough position. And I do think that is worth noting and it's important to remember because you can't act like she,

like Erica is in an easy situation right now because she isn't. But there's, I think she just doesn't really understand the whole vibe of that she doesn't seem like she really actually gives a shit at the end of the day. Not at all. Right. About anything but herself. That's really the thing. Like she's very, um.

she wants to like kind of combat these emotional critiques with like facts that only she has convinced herself makes sense for her argument. But no one's perceiving it that way. And that's ultimately what it is at the end of the day. Yeah. And I mean, say what you want about the court of public opinion or about, you know, mob mentality or whatever. But like a lot of people watch this show and people with very, you know, diverse perspectives and ways of thinking about the world and backgrounds and stuff.

And I don't see very many people watching the show and coming away being like, yeah, I think Erica's handling this well. It's just not, it's not really how it's happening. And I do think that if she leant, like, if she leaned more into that viewpoint, even if it was fake, she would just come off a lot more likable. Totally. And she also, I was really perplexed by her. her response when Andy asks her point blank if she knew about any of Tom's whatever.

And her response is just, I do not work at Gerardi Kese. That's where all the financials are kept. And Andy responds, so that's a no. And Erica says, that's your answer. And this is very like, this feels like a direct. That was very telling. It sounds very like a court here. It's a direct line that somebody has told her to say.

that will keep her out of some potential incriminating herself for liability or something. But it's like, you know that I get that legally that might be the correct thing to say, but it is a horrible impression watching the reunion because you're like, so the answer to that question isn't just no. Doesn't play well in the court of public opinion, even if it does play well in court. The, no, the answer, though, like, tells you everything you need to know. Like, she, meaning, like, if you say, do you know anything? And she says, I don't work there.

Like, that doesn't matter. It's basically pleading the fifth. She's essentially saying, I'm not going to really answer your question. I'm going to say this thing that is, has been deemed acceptable by my counsel. I tweeted last night. I was like, I don't work at McDonald's. And I know there's some something questionable. in those chicken nuggets.

Like, that's just not, like, that's not how the world works. That doesn't, right. It's not convincing at all. Can you also see a situation where she's on trial and she's on the stand and a lawyer pulls up a video from this reunion and uses this as like something she said or didn't say, right? So like, let's say she does, like, like, it makes sense to me that she is answering that way because this is all filmed.

This is all literally like evidence that anyone could use if she says anything different in court. So it does make sense to me that she's almost like being by the book because she's covering herself for a different situation. But she's not going to say either. Yeah. It's just it's it's an unusual dynamic for a housewives reunion. Because normally in this situation, if the person was that worried about saying something incriminating, they probably just wouldn't go to the reunion. But obviously, Erica is broke.

Right. She needs to be there. Yeah, and she needs to be on next season. And I believe she is because she was spotted working out with Garcel, which I can't imagine. I saw that. Looking here. Even if she and Garcel are in like an okay place, I can't imagine that they would be casually hanging out like that if there wasn't filming happening.

Agreed. Agreed. That is not a natural interaction. Yeah. And so right at the end, we see her anger starting to be. creep out because Crystal asks where her anger is and she's like, it's here, bitch. You want to see it? I just... Yeah. I mean, I'm excited for next week to see she seems like she might...

I don't know. I don't think she's going to do anything that drastic, just based on, like, the promos. I think she is in a place where she is prepared to talk a really big game. But at the end of the day, it's like, you're not going to walk across the couch and what, like, stabs that. Like, I mean, like, what would happen? There's nothing that's going to happen. Her thing has always sort of been talking a big game. Like, when she freaks out at people, like, all bark. Yeah. And then everyone's too afraid to see if she will actually bite, except Sutton.

But you know who, you know who does bite Lindsay Hubbard? Yeah, look at that transition. Lindsay arriving at the winter house is like, it needed to happen. And I'm so glad. I'm so surprised that she, I mean, unless this is like totally scripted her, but like, I'm so surprised after her whole thing with Carl that she thought it would be like a good idea. And again, I think this is partly probably for the cameras of like, I'm in love with you. Right off the bat. But like, it did seem kind of like if you, if that had happened to you a season or two ago on a different show, would your first instinct be like, let me do the same thing and like see how that plays? Because in dating no one has ever done the same. same really stupid thing. If you got to watch yourself on camera, do the thing. I feel like you might learn more of a lesson.

I don't know. I don't necessarily buy the I'm in love with you. Like that seems a little bit extreme. But I do believe I think that Lindsay went to the house thinking that she and Austin were like going to have a thing, at least during filming, because they already, I mean, they slept together before they tell us. So I get why it's like hard when she. arrives and literally the first thing Austin says to her is so I made out with Sierra last night.

And she's like, oh, like, what the fuck? Are you going to do it again? He's like, yeah, I want to do it again. During Watch What Happens Live, though, she said that she was so drunk and she didn't remember telling him that she was in public. I know. That makes it worse. Lindsay, stop your drink less if you do stuff like that.

I mean, like, you're on national television. I think that's like why she's on national television. though. Right. I guess like how she gets. Like this was, when she said I'm in love with you, like my jaw dropped like the,

the farthest it's dropped all night. Like that was the most shocking moment of last night's Bravo watch. It was the most cringe, I would say. But I was like, like I was just so shocked. Are Craig and Austin siblings

are related? I cannot tell them apart. They're not related in anyway. I have no idea which one's which. Austin is like slightly blonder. Yeah. Craig is slightly more dad looking. I feel like they look like twins.

I have no idea. Granted, I'm bad at this, but I have no idea which one is which whenever any one of them is on camera. They definitely could be brothers, but I relate. Like, even having watched Southern Charm, I understand your confusion. Okay. I want to know what you guys think about. Sierra sort of calling out Lindsay for like a girl code violation with Austin because they've made out once. So now Sierra feels like she has some kind of like dibs on Austin. But I personally feel like

Lindsay was kind of there first. I was thinking that too. Like if, if Lindsay had arrived a day earlier, would they have even hooked up and would this even be an issue? But at the same time, I feel like Sierra knows like obviously I need to cross a fight over this. I can't just like back down. Well, I think it's just the recent part too. It's like they just hooked up and then she's coming in to like. And how long ago? How long ago? did Lindsay and Austin sleep together. Like a couple years ago.

No, they said New Year's. No, they said New Year's, didn't they? But no, the New Year's going into like 2020 maybe. Right. Or 2019. Okay. Oh, before the pandemic. Yes.

They hadn't seen each other in a year before filming. So that's like a while ago. I do think that Sierra has somewhat of a point in the, in the idea of like, if they were going to be together, it's not like they were like seeing where things went. And then she like, it's like she was the more recently one dating. Like if you had a friend who hooked up with someone that you were currently dating three years ago, you wouldn't be like, well, that's their divs. Well, I don't think either of them were like ever.

I don't think either of them has that strong of a claim on him, frankly. But I do think Lindsay has like the best friend claim. And so it's like it's like she has the we've slept together and we face time all the time. claim. So it's like, I'm not sure Sierra knew that, but like, again, I don't think either one had like that, like, strong of a claim. It was devastating on Lindsay's behalf, watching last night both Luke and Austin say that they loved her like a sister. Right. I actually thought, I actually kind of thought that. Like, I was like, oh my gosh, like, Lindsay has a pattern now on the show because because she had the same thing with Carl, I actually.

the same thought as Jordana like Lindsay's maybe kind of digging herself into this hole of like trying to turn her friends into boyfriends and right who she films with you know yeah yeah I mean it does make for a good storyline but also like is that really who she is I don't know is that that that might be her thing I do think that's like a that's like a trait that some people have where it's like every person who gets close to you and who you like could potentially be attracted to, you're like, what would happen if we fell in love? And, you know, sometimes maybe that works out,

but that's not like, not everybody who's your friend wants to be your boyfriend. It's a rom-com, and I could see Lindsay Hubbard as someone who, like, believes she is in a rom-com. So, yeah, I think that's... I mean, when your friend sleeps with you, it might give you the wrong idea when your friend sleeps with you. So yeah.

Exactly. And I think a lot of people have. In both cases that happened. I think a lot of people probably can relate to that that it's like if you kind of, if you let things get murky, then it's hard to get, you know, back to the normal place. Plus like, yeah. Plus like why wouldn't she try it? Because if it works out, then she has this like amazing on-screen romance.

she'll get her, she'll have her a man's on Kyle wedding. Like, why wouldn't she like give it a shot? You could play it, you could like ease into it. Like don't come in guns blazing with me. I love you. Does Lindsay Hubbard seem like someone who eases into anything? I mean, if she walks in a box of fireball under her arm. If I were on TV and didn't want to embarrass myself, I think I would go into it differently.

But you have to think of someone who's living under a totally different zodiac signed. Like, you know what I mean? Like, she is, she's not ruled by the same planet as you. Like, she is someone who, like, doesn't, doesn't, like, think that way. She wears her heart on her sleeve. Yeah, exactly. Look, I hope Lindsay Hubbard is very happy someday, but I kind of hope it doesn't happen while she's on TV. I think it almost can happen for some people while they're on TV, unless you're like, Sheena.

Oh, my God. Why would it happen for Sheena, not for Lindsay? That's what I'm saying. I feel like, well, I mean, Sheena's relationship also. Work in progress. Which he, like, has a baby now and, like, Lindsay wants a baby. You haven't been watching Vanderprop, have you?

No, but there's a baby. There's a baby, but the baby daddy is, oh, he cheats. I hear that, I heard that in the background. Not even, not even that. He hasn't cheated that we know of, but he has two kids in Australia that he hasn't seen or spoken to in four years. And he doesn't pay the child support?

And he has domestic violence. Yes. Like, the reason you can't see them is because of some child support back pay and a domestic violence claim. So like, She has another one daddy. That's just coming out now. Like this.

There have been inklings, but it's happening on the show. Like they're la la is kind of stirring it up. I saw la la la at lunch with like a few people stirring it up like per in person. No on TV. Oh, I was like when you were in LA. Where? Yeah. No, like on TV in the background because like I'm.

You know, I'm not like really watching. You're like dabbling. Yeah, tabling, exactly. Okay. Well, I'm so excited to come back next week for part four. I'm sure we'll get all the answers we've been longing for. No more questions after part four. Nope.

Until season 12. Yeah, I mean, I hope season 12 is as good as season 11 because this was top. I don't have high hopes for it unless something random happens, like in real life. Camille Grammer has been. popping off on Twitter saying she thinks they need to bring a firecracker into the cast. Is that her? I volunteer as firecracker. She's like, who could it be?

Is it me? I don't think it is, like, I don't think it will be her based on the tone of her tweets. No, the unfortunate thing is that Rina is coming back. It's unfortunate. Although maybe they'll let Tori come back now that she was held at gunpoint. I think she's off the chopping box. now. I think Doreet is coming back because she and she and P.K.

were recently in London and Kyle went to visit her, which people were thinking was perhaps a filming moment. I heard there's like, I heard they like want to start an agency in London and like someone told me like Alexia is going to be part of that. I believe that is true. I believe I've heard that as well. I kind of like to see Joyce come back. Hoisei?

I think I'm the only. Let's do it. Let's do it. I don't know anything about her. Oh, you got to see that season? No, I've seen the season. I still don't know anything about her. Yeah, I would love for...

So positive. She was. I would love for LVP to come back. Oh, yeah. That's not going to happen, but I really, I would love it too. Yeah. We'll see. Well, thank you so much, everyone for listening.

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