Mention It All - Dubai Is Back, Baby Ft. Chanel Ayan

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

After a two-year wait, the Real Housewives of Dubai are back for a second season, and Dylan sits down with Chanel Ayan to chat through the premiere. She shares why filming this season felt different, and how she sees her purpose as something bigger than just creating iconic TV. She and Dylan recap some of the friendship developments between seasons, and how things have shifted now that everyone is in the public eye. Later, Ayan teases what’s to come this season, and why you shouldn’t sleep on Dubai. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Heyver Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast I'm Dylan Hafer And today I am so excited To be joined By a housewife

that I have not had the pleasure Of having on the show before She is a real housewife Of Dubai That show is back For its long-awated second season So please welcome to the show Chanel Ayan, hello. Hello, hello, hello, my darling from Dubai, how you doing?

We are live from Dubai. How are you feeling now that your show is finally back for a second season? Oh, I'm ready to get paid. I love it. Straight to the point. You got to get those checks in order. Yes, period. I love your dog. I love your shirt. Thank you. Thank you. You look beautiful as well. I love the gold. I love that we're rocking the bald head. beautiful. Yes, I mean, my Britney Spears era, darling, you know? Sexy, sexy, sexy. I'm in that era. Always. I, I, everybody has been waiting a long time to get to see season two of Real Housewives of Dubai. It was, it was fun to sit down to watch the premiere because I felt like I was being

reintroduced back into your fabulous world. What was it like coming back to film this second season? You had a little bit of a break before filming, and then it's been a minute since you did film. Did the vibe feel different doing season two versus season one, just being a little more experienced with it? Yes, for me, it did. You know, season one, you know, I keep saying this. Like, I was a model before the housewives, you know, when they approached to me and they said, hey, you want to be part of housewives? Because my husband is OCD and I'm not really clean. I thought they were going to teach me to be a housewife, which I was really excited.

So like Lisa said in Peg Sik, I never knew about housewives. So I called and say, hey, they're trying to curse me. to do this show called Housewives. She goes, oh my God, it's such a big deal. Then, of course, I became the biggest fan of Housewives, by the way. Season one, when I went to it, I was more like, didn't care what I was saying, didn't care what I was doing. Coming into season two, it was different for me mentally and physically

because I was, when my episode aired about FGM, I was so bullied online about it, you know. I had, like, it was crazy. People in my culture, I come from a, culture that's 100% we intermarie. We never marry outside our culture. They don't think there's anything wrong with the FGM. They don't understand where we talk about it.

They're like, what is wrong with her? We don't claim her. We don't want her. I went through so much emotion. Also on top of that, to be honest, I had never dealt with the pain. Because when I opened up the story, it was only like six people in the room and the cameraman.

And then when the episode aired, it was worldwide. And I was, when I saw myself in the camera, like full on seeing myself. I was in tears. I was crying. I was in so much pain. I was calling, I would call this. I was like, I can't believe what I'm going through because I never dealt with it. She goes, yeah, you talked about it before you dealt with it. And so I went through all these emotions. And then I have a father that's not in my life. And he found out because Kenya posted a lot of my pictures,

dressed with a sleet. I come from a culture that's 100% Muslim where you don't dress like the way I dress, act the way I act, talk the way I talk, and drink alcohol. And, and So I got a lot of backlash, like very, very bad, which put me in a very, very bad mental set and depression. It was too dark for me, to be honest, to a point where I was like, I should never have opened up about my story. But then I see now countries in Africa, like New York Times just wrote about it, and other people, they're trying to bring FGM back.

And then I'm like, okay, it's not about you anymore. You have a platform. You need to talk about this. You went through this. You were depressed. You almost died when you were a baby. You had pain. Like, people don't understand this.

It's not just because I was put on a table and circumcised. I was moved on. It's not like that. It takes process to heal. You know, as a five-year-old, you cannot pee. You know, it's painful to pee because they catch your whole things and saw it up. Like, it was such a painful situation. Now thinking about that they're trying to bring this.

And then I'm being bullied for talking about it. I'm the bad guy and I'm the first one talking about it. So it's like, why are you doing this? You're embarrassing your culture. We don't claim you. We don't want you. and then when the episode aired, my dress was here with Fleet. My dad was so angry.

He's not even in my life. I was talking to the guy for 20-something years because I cut him out completely. He goes to my sister, abuses my sister who's pregnant epileptic. I send the pictures to Lisa and to bravo people. Like, beer, broke our arms, shot to her stitches because of me. Because I opened up. Because I'm a Somali girl. My father's like super, super religious.

So it's like, why is I an acting like this? You know, he called me names that I cannot even name it. He said he cast me and he wants me dead. It was such like I wasn't. So before we filmed, that was not mentally okay. You know, it's like not in a place. So you see me there crying like I'm going through sadness. I'm going through stuff that I never experienced.

You know what I mean? And I went to. I was like, why did I do this to myself? Why did I open up? And then looking at it now and I'm like, Ian, you have to talk about it. because you're the only person that can talk about this, you know? And you have my cousin Uber and New York Housewives.

And, you know, Uber doesn't drink. I drink. So I get a lot of shit from that. You know what I mean? And she doesn't, like, she dresses very beautifully, carries herself very, like, I'm a bit like ratchet again. So it's like, it's like different. And I get a lot, I got a lot of stuff from that. So I would call Uber crying about it.

And she's the most loving. sweetheart cousin I have, she goes, you have to be yourself, I am. You can live for other people. You need to be who you are. You know what I mean? And so I've had like this good support from her system. I've got support from Teresa Juddyes. I've got support from Kenya. Like I have so many girls that I talk to when I'm doing bad and stuff like that and they're there for me. But it was really definitely hard to come back filming season two for me. I was there for people, supported people, tried to laugh, try to be there. But deep inside, I wasn't sleeping at night. I was waking up my husband being like, I am not okay.

And it's hard for me to say this because I've never said this in my life. Because when they talk about depression in my culture, depression doesn't exist. Right. I'm afraid. I grew up poor. I grew up very poor. I grew up living in a mosque. I grew up in a one bedroom apartment with 10 of us inside.

There was no space, nothing. Okay. So what am I complaining about? I live in a four bedroom house on the beach that I own in Dubai. Own houses in America. Like I have houses in Africa. like what makes me depressed? You know, and you cannot be depressed

because you're supposed to be happy and you're supposed to be full of life. But here I am. I'm crying so much. And my son is hugging me. And my son is like, mommy, you got to open the curtains.

You can't live like this. You know, the only thing that kept on me going is like kids in touch school would ask him about FGM. Hey, this happened to your mom. What is that about? And then he would talk to them about it.

But at one point he came to me, he's like, mom. I mean, I feel like everybody just, wants to ask me about you about what happened to you. You should have talked to me before you did this because now I have to explain it all the time. You know what I mean? And I felt like, oh, did I do something I shouldn't have done? You know, like there was a lot of regretting to it, a lot of pain coming from me. Recently, I just got a video made by the most viral TikTok from

my country saying that I'm transgender because I'm both headed now and I'm like, are you kidding me? That's the best compliment me. Hello? That means I'm beautiful. That means I'm sassy. That means I'm fabulous. That means I got my shit together. I know who I am. That is the best compliment I could ever get. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So it's like up and down and stuff like that. Yeah. I think that, I mean, your show and you in particular are in a really unique position where obviously, you know, Bravo is a network in the U.S. millions of people watch these shows all over the world. The Dubai and the UAE is a very specific place that you guys live in and you guys are are filming in, but then also you have this other cultural background, you know, being from Africa,

and like you say, like all of the stuff that comes along with that. And I think that it's, I'm sure it can feel like there is a lot of negativity based on that. But I think also it puts you in a really sort of special place to be able to share your experience with so many people around the world who either might not know that that's something people are going through or they might be going through something similar and not feel like there's somebody in a position like you to relate to. So I think that's something I think is really cool about about Bravo and about housewives

and about just kind of the global world we live in, that it's like you can see somebody across the world that you relate to, that you wouldn't have known about otherwise and get strength from that. Because I think seeing you deal with those complicated things in your past and all of that, it might feel like there's weakness there,

but I really think that's strength to be able to share that and to be able to move on from that in a way. Thank you. I really appreciate you saying that. I really do. But it's like, I feel like, apart from being this glamorous, funny girl, I feel like I need to do something about it. It's not about me anymore.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like, it's like I have no choice. You know what I mean? Like, do I want to, did I want the whole entire world to know that I'm losing, I was circumcised? Honestly, no. I don't even know how I got to open up my story like that because I've kept in for 42 years without talking about it. You know, my only people that knew is my husband, my son and my family. I never even told my friends, you know.

So for me now, I feel like now that they're bringing it and people are talking about countries in Africa trying to bring it back, like it's a normal thing. Like, how is that a normal thing? Right. Like so now I have to put my feelings aside because my feelings don't matter. My embarrassment doesn't matter, you know, because sometimes I would walk on the street, I swear to God, I'm walking in the mall or something. People are like, Hi, Chanel, I love you.

I should think like, oh, because they think I'm funny or they like my fashion or something. The first thing that goes to the moment, like, oh, they know my story. You know? That's really, it's been really hard on me in that way. But I feel like, I feel like I can't say chosen,

but I feel like I chose myself to do this to try bring awareness, especially now they're bringing it back. Like, who the hell brings this back into? 2024. Totally. And I think talking about it, you know, even though it's not easy or not necessarily something that you, you want to do, it is important. And I think that, you know, knowing something about someone or a piece of their past or something they've struggled with, it really just, it gives you a more complete picture of kind of all of the different facets of you, that when somebody

sees, you know, a big, extravagant outfit or is laughing at something you're saying on the TV, that there's there's kind of depth, there's depth to you and there's a past there and things that you've gone through. And I think it's, it's cool, you know, to have that kind of relationship with someone on a show where it's like,

I laugh with her, but then I also empathize with, with the less, you know, glamorous parts or the painful things. Yeah, I think, I think that,

I don't think I've ever said this, but I think that, oh, when I, you know, when I come in and camera and, because I've been a model most of my life, right? In a situation where I was told that wasn't good enough, you know?

So being put down, everything happened to me. When I come on camera, I'm like, hey, I feel good. I love myself. It's because I just have to tell that to myself to make myself feel good. It's just for myself. It's like a formation. It's like, you know, the dress and all that stuff is beautiful. But in the end of the day, I'm also human.

I'm going through as much as everybody's going through. You know what I mean? Yeah. come from nothing. I build, you know, I come from nothing. Like, like, I shouldn't, like, you know, when I won best dress in Bravo, I say, I don't believe I should be here because, like, I come from nothing. Like, I really meant it. Like, my dresses were broken growing up, you know, like I had to fault in my clothes because my mom was a single mom with 10 kids could not afford to dress us all up. We didn't have shoes every day. We lived in our mosque because we had nothing. So for me to

be where I am right now is because honestly, I really worked her. to be where I am, you know, worked out as a model, worked hard to pay for my family bills, take care about my mama house, brought my brother to America, paid for my brother's education, paid for my sister's education. As a model, you know, I've never felt like I needed, like I always feel like I do for people more than I do for myself, because I feel like I know the pain when you don't get the love. I know the pain when you don't, when you feel hopeless. I know the pain when you feel like you're not good enough because I've been through it. I would go to a cousin.

They're like, oh, we don't want that girl. You know, she's not perfect. And then you look at yourself and you like, I'm so pretty. What the hell are you talking about? Yeah. You know? Also, it got me to place away. I modeled with Naomi Campbell.

Naomi Campbell before housewives, you know? I'm doing. I've been in Volckervers worldwide. I've been in campaigns. I was the face of Valentina. I was the face of Chanel. Like, so there was all good things that came with it. Right.

But also I worked so hard and striving and struggled and pushed myself to be where I am, you know? It didn't come easy. Completely. So good, so good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman,

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And was there anyone that you felt like the energy was different after you had been on the show for a season coming back this year? Yes, I feel like everybody stepped there. Should I say pussy? Say it. Speak it. I feel like everybody stepped their pussy, you know? I feel like everybody stepped their fashion. Of course, because now they're comparing themselves to me.

But girl, I'm not walking runways, you know. Like, you can't be wearing contour thinking you're going to look the same way I look. But I keep trying. Love you for that. You know, you know what I mean? But I feel like, I feel like everybody really came in. Like, I like, apart from my fights with Tara, you get to see Sarah more.

You get to learn more about Sarah. Before I went to season two, I wasn't friends with Brooks. I wasn't friends with Sarah. I wasn't friends with Stambri when we were filming season one, right? So when season two started, I was already like at reunion

when I told Stambri, like our fight is over, let's start. I started from there, you know, to get to know her. To get to know Brooks about A big. Sarah was very upset with her. I never wanted to get to know her because I was really angry about the stuff that she had said about me. So it took me time to get to develop friendship with him, you know.

So of course they're all different. You get to see different side of what. You get to see Brooks building a business, you know, glass house. You get to see as a mom. So far, that's all I've seen until episode three. You know, you get to see up like being Brooks. And then my relationship with Stambry, you get to see it like how we started and how I gave our chance and how she gave be a chance. And I feel like we are building beautifully, but also on top of that, like, we're still bitches to each other. We're girls. You can put all of us in a room and expect to be kumbaya 24-7. We're not kumbaya type. Yeah, I like that in your group, it feels like, especially going into this new season, maybe with a little bit of a fresh page, that it feels like

most of you are on a level where you can be a little bit shady and a little bit playful with each other. But then if there's a real issue that that's going to be kind of a separate thing that we can deal with a little more seriously, but that, you know, if you're going to make a, I loved in the premiere, there's a scene where you and Stanbury have like a brunch together. And she is so gleeful at the idea that you might be older than her. I know. And that is like such a good, because it's like, who cares at the end of the day? Who cares? But it's just so funny to see you guys. I'm in. I'm in. Right now. Now I can't say it because the bitch lost her old face. And also it's so funny because when I go out to dinner with her, I look at a new face. I have no peace with a new face.

I like the new face. The old bitch was nasty and mean and horrible. And this new face is like such a cute pie and she looks so cute and she looks so young. And, you know, she brags it to me all the time. My face looks better, right? Do I look younger than you? She loves to tell me that. I look younger than you.

And I'm like, to be honest, you do look young. You do look fabulous. You know, her face lift is really amazing. And when she decided to get her face lift, she called me, I was in the Hamptons at at my business partner's house, Tony. And I was sitting, she called me the next day after the first lift. She goes, this time. I'm like, here.

I was like, what the fuck? Like, I was like, almost like, I cannot eat beef. There's no way I can eat beef. I'm vegan. No way. Because it was so much going on. And she was, can you hear me? I mean so much.

But I'm like, bitch, I don't want to know this. I don't care. Like, don't call me. Then the next day she called me. Every day she called me to show me like, is it looking better? It's looking better. And she actually really looks better. But the problem is like everything I was always annoyed about her

and everything that drives me crazy about her, I don't see in the new face. Because it's with the old bitch that's gone. They're too fast. She really was too fast. She turned over a new leaf in more ways than one. She did. And she looks so good. Like she pisses me off every time.

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It seems like you two really have a bond where you can kind of lean on each other in a different way than maybe you can with the rest of the group. What is it like having somebody like that in this kind of crazy experience of doing the show and being, you know, in public and all of that to have someone like that?

Yeah, you know, before the show started, we were friends, right? We were friends before the show started. And so we knew each other. Our husbands are friends. Our kids are friends. You know, I go to our house. She comes over. So we actually have like a family friendship, which is really good because it's good.

It's like, it's like a sister that you need to talk to, you know, that you need to know, they understand you. They, they know what you're going through and stuff like that. So it's like, yeah, in the class, we are the closest. So our new housewife this season is Teline. And she is, she's friends with Sarah. and Brooks a little bit. And I think there's a little bit of, I don't know if it's a misunderstanding in the first episode,

kind of whatever happened at the Beyonce concert that you guys were all at. What is your take on Tallene kind of in general and that sort of initial situation of her entering the group? So Talene, I'm going to, I'm going to be honest. Talene is a fun bitch, okay? She's outgoing. She's crazy.

You know what I mean? I don't think personally, Stambri, when somebody said she saw her vagina, I don't think it meant like, she meant it in a wrong way, to be honest. Somebody's a British girl. She has this humor that you will piece you off thinking it's like something bad,

but she really didn't mean it in a bad way. I know that for a fact, because she told me, Ayan, it was a joke. You know what I mean? So I don't think it would, it should have been that long vagina gate and stuff like that. I don't think it was, but I don't know.

Would it be housewives without a vagina game? I'm sure how itana is beautiful and I'm sure they were lucky to see it. Do you, so in general, I guess, with a group like this, knowing that things are going to be on TV, knowing that people are going to be talking, you know, maybe behind your back in the confessional interviews, all of that, how do you approach just relationships in general and deciding who you can trust and who to kind of get closer to or maybe keep at an arm's length? How do you handle that? Oh my God.

I think that is the hardest thing about Housewife. I really, that's, that's my, my hardest thing. Because you're friends with somebody, you talk to them, you're joking,

you're supporting them, you're there for them, you're doing everything. And then boom, fuck, they turn on you in a second. And you don't even see it coming. It's like,

I always feel like it's like, you don't know if you're dead or you're alive kind of situation. You just don't know what I mean. But I feel like it's a very exciting situation, but also like really weird at the same time. Well, and at the same time, it's like only people who have been in an environment like this

can really understand it. So I think when you were saying earlier, how people like... I don't know what environment. Because when I was a model, yeah. And my life as a model was the easiest life I've ever had compared to housewives. Okay.

I would just walk in. The designer would be like, okay, I am. Usually I open the show. shows or close the shows. They'll be like, Ayan is opening and closing. Go see to your hair and makeup. I know all the models. We know each other. Sometimes like, why is Diane always open? It's always like that. Why is I and all of this, this? Like, I'm so used to that. I'm so used to it. It's like so annoying because bitch, you don't have my personality. Chill out. I walk hard.

You know what I mean? But it's always like, why is she this? Why is she that? But it's easy. You go home the next day you see each other in the show. But there's no nastiness and there's no farmer and there's no, it's like it's different. For me, Housewives is completely a new round that I've never experienced. It's like, it's like, you know, coming into season two, I did not know that I would be a target a little bit because I became so, I became, I had a lot of funds that loved me. I had a lot of people that supported me. I had a lot of people that cared about me. And you, you have to understand this. I don't have that stuff in real life. So this, I think, feel like they're my family. You know what I mean? Yeah. And but I feel like they're my family.

I feel like I have friends and people that love me that I've never met. And the funny thing, I met so many of them at BravoCon. Yeah. They would come. I follow you. I comment. And a few of them, I actually was following them back. Do you know how excited that is? Like, oh, Chanel, I'm this. I'm like, what are you? You know? But I've never met them. It's so easy. I feel like I've so much friends outside. And also sometimes I feel like I've never been the type of person that was ever loved or cared for or wanted, you know, like literally my dad did not want me. So for me to have people that show me love and support me something I'm not used to. Because as a model, I'm in a magazine, they buy it, move on. You know, yes, it was such an easy life between modeling and this. So for me,

I feel like I just love it. I just wish I could meet all of them and hug them and just thank them for all the support they give me, you know what I mean? Yeah. But it evens out with maybe the people who, who have criticism or things to say on social media, that then there's all those people that feel like you're their friend or through the screen. I've never experienced that. I've never experienced people loving me, who don't even miss me and just caring about me.

Like, you don't understand. Sometimes I get one comment and be like, like the other day I was talking about my mom having dimension, right? So I was just like, really, I don't talk so much on. my Insta story since Housewives. Before Housewives, I was like, I was the girl on Instagram. I was 20, okay?

I was trying to pull myself, you know, like I was everywhere. But now I cannot do so much of that because I feel like you don't know where it's going to go. You know what I mean? Right. So I'm not like torn down. And I don't like to be torn down because I'm a toner out,

you know, not the one. So the other day I was talking about my mom having dementia and the things that I'm going through. I had so many messages from my followers telling me they're going through the same thing I actually had to sit down and reply to all of them no actually no Tony you remember I deleted them first yeah I deleted the video first because I felt embarrassed

like why did I share this you know what I mean because sharing things scares me so I'm like why did I share my mama's dimension maybe I'm going to be judged so I deleted it and then I opened my messages people like I'm going through the same thing I am and I sat down and started crying and I are replying to all of them. I feel like they're like family. Yeah, I think it's it's one of those things where obviously some things that's good to keep private for yourself. You know, you have to have that that private space. But then when you do choose to share, there is that impact and that reception

that you can get from from people who, who maybe need to hear it. Yeah. And I was really, honestly, I was really surprised. I was just like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm excited to see the season. I know you're going to be working on your business, Ion Beauty more, that we're going to see all of that. What are you most excited for this season to share with everyone after waiting such a long time? So we filmed a year ago, just a year ago, right? So we finished filming last year in May. So it's just a year since we filmed. I'm excited for people to see different sides of me, you know?

I'm excited for them to see that I'm not that's a girl. Like, I actually feel like I kind of told. to myself down a little bit, which I'm not a toner down. I'm more of a higher toner. So, like, I want people to see me as a mom. I want people to see me as a businesswoman. I started a business. I used to sell bananas in my head. Okay. I used to be the breadwinner in my family. I used to be so cute with my bananas walking in the street because I grew up in a village with a thousand people, but I was a border from another country to another country, like Uganda and Kenya. Okay. So we used to have parked drivers that passed. You know, I used to carry my bananas and

go, banana, banana, nana, nana nana, nana, nanae, I need money these, I pay food of family my anger. It means something like, please, who wants to buy my bananas because I need to feed my brothers and my family? Please help, please help, you know? So now I'm like, owning

iron beauty, you know, it's like, like I have to shake myself, you know? And I was like, we did a makeup for Beyonce because Beyonce was in Dubai. Right. So I was backstage, like my business partner to own, you organized the whole thing with her friend. So they did all the makeup, Beyonce's,

reached us to do makeup. Stambri just introduced me to Nicole Schengar. We just did Nicole Zinger's makeup with Ian Beauty. We were rated like top 10 in Bratia. We've sold out. So we have really good products. We have a lot of things coming up. And most of it actually is part of FGM.

So some of my policies are actually going to help bring awareness to FGM because I feel like that's my papa being fabulous and being a mom. I feel like that's my papa's in life. Yeah. So I want to do that. And then just like try to learn how to get, try to learn how not talk to myself a lot lately. I talked to my, do you ever talk to yourself? I talk.

Yeah, I do. You do? That's normal. Because I sort of go to be in the kitchen and I will literally be having conversation with myself. And tired of walking, like, who the hell are you talking to, Mom? I'm like, myself. There's a lot going on in that head. There's so much going on in this head.

It's crazy. But no bananas these days. No bananas on the head these days. No bananas on the head these days. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I've been in vogue a lot. Look, this is what I do now. Look at my product. Look at her.

Yes, beautiful. Beautiful. Look, I've got lashes. Kenyamo just asked me to send her some lashes, you know? Ooh, yes. She's got a show to film, too. So get those products on there. I know, I know.

I talked to her. She was visiting me in Dubai. We were having so much fun together in Dubai. Yes. Well, that's amazing. I'm so excited that your show is back. I can't wait for everyone to see it. And Ayon, thank you so much for being here today. Listen, thank you too. Honestly, we should do this more. We should do this more. Next time you're in New York, hit me up. Oh, I'm going to be in New York a lot. Okay, great. I'll see you then. Thanks, Chanel. That's the show for today. Thank you for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show. Like I said, we've got more stuff coming up next week. In the meantime, you can follow us on Instagram. at Bravo by Betches and be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmacat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico, social media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter.

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