Mention It All - Dude, She Dipped Out Ft. Taylor Jackson (VPR)

Episode Date: May 4, 2023

Taylor Jackson joins Dylan for another Vanderpump Rules recap, and they start with the explosive trailer for the upcoming season finale. Then, they discuss Sandoval’s baffling lack of composure amid his campaign of lies, and why he and Raquel look even worse than we expected. They also discuss James’ troubling behavior in his new relationship, and why Katie may be the MVP of this season. Check out our latest promo codes here: https://betches.com/promo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me both Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And I am excited to be joined Once again for another Vanderpump Recap by a favorite guest of mine And a favorite guest of some of yours

So I had to have her back Before the season ended Please welcome Taylor Jackson Hi Taye How's it going? Dylan, I could not be more thrilled. This is the only thing I've been looking forward to all day. It is a gloomy, gloomy day in New York City, and there's no better weather to discuss what the fuck happened last night on Vanderpump rules. That is true. I feel like I, so I watched the episode yesterday afternoon, and then in the

evening I was at Bravo HQ for this Dancing Queen's premiere event, which was fun. I'll talk about that show maybe on tomorrow's solo episode. But it was like at this event, I kept talking to people and they were like, it really kills me to be missing Vanderpump rules right now. We are in an era of appointment television viewing on Bravo that I didn't know if we would ever really get back to. Especially with this show. Especially with this show. Because, you know, we did have it for Beverly Hills, I think like two seasons ago when everything was like super dramatic. But with Vanderpump, I would have never expected this. But I'm already thinking about next week and I have an obligation between the hours from 9 to 10 and I am in an absolute

panic spiral about it. I'm going to have to watch the screeners with you. Yeah, come to the office on Wednesday and maybe I'll let you grab an AirPods and watch with me. Please, please. I'm not even joking. Look at my face. I'll have to stop the episode every 10 minutes to take notes, but, you know, we make do. This week, so we got the finale trailer earlier this week because it leaked online. And then Bravo did a quick little switcheroo, switched a couple things out and released the official one. usually we don't get an episode trailer two weeks in advance. This is obviously, you know, extenuating circumstances.

But this season is really, you know, we're basically getting two season finales. Because next week, as far as I know, is going to be the episode that was, you know, filmed in September or whenever they finished filming. And we see Schwartz and Katie fighting in the alley. We see, you know, more Tom and Raquel. and Ariana kind of conversations, but I'm assuming they're pretty much leaving what they thought was going to be the finale, and then we get a whole other episode

of like all hands on deck, scrambling, figure it out. Exactly. And it's funny you say that because I feel like every single episode this season feels like a finale episode. My mom texted me last night. She's like, is this the finale? I said, so you'd think, babe, but it gets better.

Somehow it keeps getting better. An interesting thing about this week's episode is that when we saw the preview last week, it's starting, you kind of wonder like, okay, I thought we were all really, really shocked by Tom and Raquel in March when that news came out. But then it seems like a lot of the cast kind of had an idea that something was going on. And as we continue to sort of pick apart the layers, it's like, oh, they were full. like 12 layers deep in deception. Tom and Raquel clearly have this whole thing going on where, you know, Raquel is laying it on thick about how these are her best friends and the people that she cares most about in the world and that means everything to her. And Tom is, you know,

putting on this whole performance of needing to work on his relationship with Ariana and how she's, you know, not, it doesn't want to spend time with him. It's like, it really, it feels so calculated on the part of them that it's like, oh, I'm even more mad now than I was the first day we heard about Scandibald. 100% because we're literally watching them lie. Like the deceit is so obvious. And we're watching them try to, the tangled web they are weaving is unraveling quickly. And we're watching it unfold.

And it makes, I mean, I wanted to punch my screen. multiple times and a lot of people were DMing me saying like they they can't get enough and that they like couldn't even like they cringe at Tom, they like cringe at Raquel and it's just like watching it all unfold is honestly like you know when you want to like jump out of your skin? That's how I feel. Yeah. This week was tough in particular because on last week's episode Ariana was out of town because her grandma passed away and so she wasn't really in last week's episode very much, whereas this week, she's back, she's on this glamping trip for Raquel's birthday. They're having, like, heart to hearts later in the episode, you know, they're at this Tom

Tom event, and Ariana is, like, sticking up for Raquel with Katie. We'll get into it. But, like, seeing Ariana basically get played so hard by both Tom and Raquel is so heartbreaking because Ariana is one of the people on Bravo. where I have met her multiple times. I've talked to her. It's not like I'm like personal close friends with her, but I've spent an okay amount of time with her.

And it's like she's one of the people where you really feel like she is so like genuine and like a warm person that is, you know, like she's exactly what she seems like. And it just feels like she's getting taken advantage of. of in such a specific way that it's like, man, fuck that. Fuck that. And at one point in the episode last night she was talking to, I think it might have

been Katie or Lala, I'm not sure. I think it was Lala saying she's like, all of this stuff happened in the past few months. Like I'm holding on by a thread. Like I don't know how I'm still holding on. And I like wanted to actually burst out in tears at that. I mean, like hindsight bias, look at her now. She's thriving right now. I'm sure she's still going through it, obviously.

but like watching it exactly what you said. Like watching these two assholes play the most genuine person on, I'll say maybe the Bravo network besides like Captain Lee. It's like it's literally heartbreaking. Oh my God. I want Ariana and Captain Lee to like have lunch together. Just no. Okay, lunch.

All right. Lunch. You sicko. I thought you were going elsewhere with that. Taylor, he is a married man. I would never. That's not stopping anyone, apparently. I would never support Captain Lee stepping out on his lovely wife, Marianne.

That's not what I'm advocating here. I'm merely saying that I think they would have a nice convo. Okay. Let's get them to lunch. Maybe we can go to something about her for sandwiches and a cocktail. Yes, we're going to see some sandwiches next week. I'm excited. So this glamping trip for Raquel's birthday, which is a cursed sentence to say,

But it's really interesting to me how the group shakes out for this because it's Tom and Ariana, Sheena and Brock, and then Schwartz and Raquel. It's only the six of them. And so, like, this feels like it's a triple date weekend scenario. And I just don't, like, could you not have found one or two more people to come on this trip? Because even... Where's Charlie? Like, where's Charlie?

Even without the Scandival aspect that's obviously, like, in the back of all. of our minds watching this. It's like this Schwartz and Raquel thing has been such a point of contention in the group. Why are you again putting yourself in a situation where like naturally people are going to pair off and it's going to be you too like, oh Schwartz could give me a kiss. He he he. Like.

Ew. And no, I mean, this is, I think, in my opinion, like this is all a part of both of their plans. Like let's have Schwartz here. Like Raquel and Sanofal are trying to keep up this like little Schwartz and Raquel storyline so hard. It's like so cringy to watch. And when she was in the confessional during the glamping scene, she's like,

these are my true, true friends. Like, first of all, I threw up while she was saying that, but I'm like, this group, the vibe I'm, this is not even looking fun to me. If this is what you consider like a true friend group relationship, then I feel bad for you. It was kind of delicious to watch her talk about aging out of pageants. And, you know, for her entire life, she's had to be so worried about her reputation and, you know, not doing anything outside the bounds of what would be considered, you know, good for what you want to look like for your pageant and saying that she wants to be an occupational therapist. And it's really hard because her whole life she's had to say one career and she actually just wants to be an influencer, I guess. but like the fact that she's like now it's so nice that I don't have to worry about my reputation.

I'm like, oh, girl. Oh, honey. It's coming at you like a fucking tsunami. But I have some comments on the pageantry thing. She's acting like she is in the royal family and she, that is her life. Her life is set. She, you know, she's got to be like a Kate Middleton. You know what I mean?

Prince. Whatever. And she's like, the crocodile tears, number one. I didn't see a single tear come down when she was talking about how in pageantry. she had to tell the world, the world that she was going to be an occupational therapist, and God forbid, she'd go against her word. I'm like, no one even knew that, babe. No one even gives a fuck. Also, pageants, you're looking at right here, me, little Miss Kate May County of 2007. You know what I said I wanted to be when I grew up? A movie star. You don't want to know what I said, they said, how's your fashion? I said, limited to, babes. Okay. And you think I have to, I have to live by that the rest of my life? No. The excuse. The excuse. It's like insane. It's absolutely insane. It's a little, yeah, it's, I understand if you're like a child in the pageant system, I feel like, okay, yeah, you have a lot of pressure on yourself.

Obviously, you know, maybe there's parents, maybe there's whoever is talking in your ear that it's like, you have to say this, you have to do this. But it's like, Raquel is a 28 year old woman. I'm not going to, I'm not going to like feel bad that she has spent most of her 20s saying she wants to. wants to be an occupational therapist when she doesn't. Like, just you're on a TV show, you're doing brand deals. Like, you're just living life. I don't, I don't know. And like, like, who is she telling she's an occupational therapist and they're, like,

holding her to it? Like, who is, who is that? Also, I don't, I don't know that much about, you know, the pageant system and what they value and what they look for. But I do wonder if being Miss California was her ultimate dream. perhaps going on a reality TV show known for like drunken antics was not the best way to spend her last few years of eligibility.

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fast-forward investigation that we get into what happened the night of James' ill-fated beach day where Raquel went back to Sandoval's. Of course, Ariana's out of town. Schwartz was maybe there. They got in the jacuzzi. And then, of course, the infamous words

of Tom Sandoval, Raquel dipped out, but she didn't dip out altogether. She just dipped out apparently to go to like a guest room or the couch or somewhere else. But at one point he slips up and does say that she was in his room, but then it's like, no, no, no, the guest room, but then she slept on the couch. But then she dipped out altogether, but she left really early. But not early enough to not be 90 minutes late to her surer shift. Sandivost's behavior is, it's a lot. It's a lot to unpack.

It's sort of shocking to me that he wasn't a little more focused in the moment on keeping his story straight and sort of presenting one version of events. Because even if nothing as bad was happening, the fact that he like can't answer a question, he can't give Lisa a answer without being like, dude, no, dude, uh, uh, uh, like, it's like, you look unhinged. And if there was really nothing going on, it would be even stranger, but nobody wants to think that he and Raquel are fucking. So they're like, I, you're making it look really weird and I don't think it is like that, but you're making it kind of look like that. Like, it just is wild to me that he didn't kind of take a pause and be like, okay,

I'm doing something diabolical. right now. And if anybody finds out, it's going to be bad. So let me just take a deep breath, figure out how I'm going to answer these questions, and go forward to film these scenes. He clearly didn't do that because he's telling, you know, LVP one thing. He's telling Brock and Schwartz one thing. He can't give, you know, Ariana a straight answer about what happened at the Labor Day party. It's so bizarre that he doesn't have his ducks in a row. if he's going to be committing this level of betrayal. Adultery, exactly.

No, and, like, he was using dipped as his safe word. This is how I was assuming. Like, he, it was going to be his, like, exit word. Like, oh, it gets me out of it because she dipped. But then when someone was like, James was like, wait, but Raquel slept over. He was like, yeah, I mean, she dipped out of the hot tub onto the couch. Like, he was using the word very strategically, but it just, nothing was adding up. Right.

It's like a catch-all term where he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, not like dipped out, not like dipped out like, like, like, like, left. Like, like, like, like, left in a different way. Like, she, she, she, she dipped the chips in the salsa in the kitchen and then hit the couch. And then she dipped up into the bedroom. His commitment to using that phrase, like, it's just obvious what he means that it's like, no, no, no, she dipped out. And Lisa Vanderpump is like, sorry, what the fuck are you saying to me right now? Right.

Meanwhile, Raquel is like, oh, yeah, I spent the night. Yeah, she's like, I slept on the couch. And then Tom was like, slept in the guest room. And then Raquel kind of jumped on to that. It was like, yeah, then I moved to the guest room. I'm like, where were you sleeping? Yeah, that situation obviously wasn't good. But I think actually the thing that is more upsetting is this Labor Day event,

which happened on a different day that we didn't really see on the show. But so there was this Labor Day barbecue pool party type of thing that a lot of them were at. I think Jack's Taylor even tweeted that he was there. So like it was a whole thing. But basically while they were at this event, Tom got a call from Ariana. And that was when she found out that her grandma died. And so Tom gets off the phone with Ariana. apparently whoever he was there with that was supposed to be his ride home was leaving Jason

whoever Jason is Tom is like okay Jason you go ahead I'm going to stay for a little bit and then he stays for like two more hours hanging out with Raquel the whole time but then the version of events that Ariana got at the time when he finally got home was oh I had to stay that long because I couldn't get a ride. But then later he's saying, well, I figured you wanted to be alone. So I thought I would give you some alone time. It is, again, just one of these situations where it's like, if you want to make up a story, that's one thing.

But like, make up one single story and stick to it. Right. Put some thought behind it. Because clearly you're not. He just thought he was going to get away like Scott free from this whole fucking thing. No, it's just, it's strange. And I think, like, again, it comes back to this just total disregard for Ariana's feelings and just for their relationship and, you know, like emotions as a person. Because at the end of the day, Ariana wasn't even mad at him that it took him two hours to get home.

But the reason that she was understanding of it was because he gave her an excuse. and then for her to find out flipped around that it's like you lied to her about why you were late and then you framed it in a way that was like no no no I thought I was doing a good thing by giving you alone time even though I then lied about it and then it's like no just you got to just own it like even if you're not going to admit to the Raquel stuff it's like you wanted to stay at the party right just leave it at that leave it at that ariana clear wasn't that upset. Obviously she was upset, but as we saw, she's like, I'm Tom's number one fan. Like, I'm, I'm going to always ride for him, yada, yada, yada. And it's just the entire thing

watching it. And like, I'm imagining, I don't even know if she's watching the season back, but if she is, like, all the signs are there, obviously, but it's just so hard to watch this man try to collectively and successfully get away with this affair. Okay, pivoting for a second. So Lala has this robe, photo shoot. I want to know, how do you feel about Katie and Satchel? Okay. What's your opinion on Mr. Satchel? On Mr. Satch. Mr. Satchy. I think Satchel's a sweet boy. Okay, don't get me wrong. He looks sweet. He looks kind. He wasn't really fades by all the chaos of the beach day. He was just kind of like with Katie.

And but I don't think this is the answer for Katie. I don't think Satchell is it. I don't think it's the man. Maybe he is giving her good sex and I love that for her because clearly he is. But not, I just feel like right now like it's, Katie has this like dominance over him, I guess, but in a good way. You know, she was obviously always like the stronger one with her and Schwartz. but in this situation, it's like this man actually, like, respects her, and she's kind of loving this attention.

So, like, when you go from a relationship that this person's not giving you, like, emotional attention and then someone is, like, over the top with the attention, because you can see their PDA. It's, like, all over the place. Like, Katie loves that, and she needs that right now. But I think, I don't even know if they're still together right now, but that'll fade out. It's a, it's a, satchel to me is, like, not a rebound, but a phase.

You know, everyone goes for the really nice, really nice, sweet, sweet guy who thinks you are just queen of the earth. But there's got to be a balance between that and, you know. I feel like some people are being overly critical of satchel. Like, I just, I agree. I've seen some people online just be kind of, like, rude. Rude about what he looks like. Why is Katie getting with this man? And it's like, let Katie do whatever she wants.

It's like the same thing. It's okay, it's not the same thing, but the thing that just came into my mind, which might be like a wild comparison, is it reminds me of people with Britney Spears who were like riding hard for like free Britney, let Britney do whatever she wants. And then the second she starts posting like long Instagram captions with emojis and like weird dancing videos, they're like, what's up with Britney? What is she doing? Let's, let's analyze this. Let's break it down. And it's like, no, no, no. you said let her do whatever she wants.

She's not her to do. And this is what she wants to do. Exactly. Okay, you're right. Katie, Katie wants to fuck Satchell. And she's gonna. And she should. And I hope she had fun. It's probably already over. But, you know, it's what she needed in the moment. And she got it. And I'm happy for her. Me too. You know, a justice for Satchell. Satchell made a great cameo. I don't think I heard him speak an actual word. I don't think he was miced. He was not miced. Satchel never had a mic on. Should I try and get Satchel and the Don on the podcast?

Fuck. Yes. Please. Wait, can you? I love that. I love that Lala refers to him as the Don. Even in like, when she's like, let's go, the Don. We're leaving.

It's like, you. That doesn't. Okay. That like, I respect her commitment. Me too. Me too. It's kind of a motley crew. I would love to see just like them.

at dinner together. Oh, me too. I'd love to go to the abbey with the four of them. Satchell, Katie, the Don, Lala. Like, what are the Don and Satchell talking about? Are they friends with each other? Did we? I don't know.

I don't think so. I don't think they, no. I'm going to go ahead and assume no. They trauma bonded with each other at Beach Day. Yeah, at Beach Day. No, I feel like at the abbey, maybe after Christina Kelly's TomTom Chapstick event. Look, I am on record. I've talked multiple times.

I have tried Christina Kelly's lip bombs. They're good. I support her in all of her business ventures. All of these ladies really are getting after it now with the business ventures. We've got the sandwich shop. We've got the chapstick. We've got give them la, la. robes with hoods on them.

They're all really making it happen for themselves. They are. You know what? And get that bag. Get that money. As opposed to Schwartz and Sandys. I feel like these business ventures are a little more fully realized than like Katie's Pucker and Pout era and like Kristen's T-shirts, the James May.

Even wines of whatever, witches of WeHo, the wines. Did you see they brought it back? They brought it back. No, they did not. No, they did it. In the wake of Scandaval, they brought back like potion number one red wine. Wow. I'm going to need a press box of that because I don't know where to buy it, but I'd love to try it.

I love red wine. I don't think they have that in stock at your local liquor store. Fuck. Well, you know what I was also thinking of? Like the Scandival honestly worked out in all of their benefits for these business ventures. Like the Lala with the Daryl merch. Like, she must have made a killing off of that. And I kind of want it.

I came dangerously close to buying Sheena's sweatshirt that said every night is VPR night. And then I literally was like hovering over the button. And then I was like, where the hell am I wearing this? Right. Where are you wearing? Your bedroom. Like, also, I get overheated so easily. So in my mind, I'm like, oh, I could wear that to like a day of BravoCon.

No, I'd be sweating my ass off. especially in Vegas, yeah. Oh my God. I didn't even think, I didn't even think about that. Like in New York in October it was nice. Dill. You got to wear shorts in it and a button up to honey. And that below deck cap you're sporting.

Maybe I can get like Rachel Zoh to style me for BravoCon this year. You could try. Why not? That was really, that was really enthusiastic. Thank you. I'm glad you. believe in me. You could try, babes. Maybe. You could try it. Rachel Zoe, I don't think, wants anything to do with Bravo these days. I don't think so either. Good sleep is everything.

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my lucky stars that I am single while watching this season of Vanderpump rules. Because if I wasn't, no one in my life would be safe. I could be dating the most trustworthy, honest, nicest man in the entire universe, but my ass would still be suspicious and the trust issues that this season would bring up would be embedded into my soul and I would have to bring those up in therapy. Think about it. Think about it. Wow.

Scandival is making you question all of your relationships. Yeah. And like I'm grateful to be single. So thank you, Tom, Sandoval and Raquel. Honestly, thank you. Because for once in my life,

I am embracing being single because there are people like you out there with black hearts and zero souls that just are disrupting the trust, the trust that normal people like me, should have in a partner. But I don't. I don't. Yeah. It is tough, especially with Raquel.

I think Cassandaval is like his own main character, whatever, like, just like a dumb dude. But the way that Raquel has worked herself into the group, and specifically with Ariana and Sheena has really made herself kind of like their little pet. Like they really feel protective over her. They're riding hard for her. They're sticking up for her in these situations. like Ariana and Katie's conversation this week is essentially all about Raquel because, you know, Katie is, you know, really distrustful of her and believing all these things.

And Ariana's like, look, if we're in business together, like, I don't want to be, I don't want to be hearing about rumors and stuff that are coming from you if we're supposed to be on the same team together. And yeah, some of that is about Tom and Ariana's stuff. But a lot of it is about Raquel. and the way that Ariana and Sheena really are sticking to supporting Raquel, even when she makes it really difficult, it's like, damn,

like most, it is hard to find people in the world who are going to ride for you like that. And the fact that Raquel has two, the fact that Raquel has two of them on this cast and then, as we know now, it's like completely screwing it all beneath the surface. It's, it's kind of,

it's kind of shocking. Yeah. It is shocking. Like what are the inner workings of her brain? Like what's going on? Nothing. Literally nothing. It's sociopathic behavior. And I stand by that. Yeah. I want to talk. We didn't talk at all about James and Allie. And I think they're little scene this episode. It's quick, but I think it's interesting. They're catching up after Beach Day. And Allie is basically like, yeah, like I guess Beach Day was fun. I don't know. I didn't really see you because you were busy fighting. with Tom Schwartz about Raichella and then you were talking to Raquel and then you were with Lala the whole time and like I'm not embarrassed

about, I'm not embarrassed of you you're acting embarrassing and I think I really like the way Allie is kind of sticking up for herself and basically just pointing out that it's like hey I'm right here I'm a great catch or whatever and if you're saying that you're

100% over Raquel you need to act like it. Right. Right. She's finally like, like, I like seeing this side of her. Because I think throughout this all this season, remember we would, you and I would even talk about it. Like she was very just like, do, to do, do. And people were kind of like comparing her to Raquel.

And like that's the type of girl James likes, very quiet, just to go with the flow. But in these past two episodes, she's really kind of like put him in his place. And that's what James Kennedy needs all the time. And it's funny because I watched, watch what happens live after last night's episode. and Kristen Dowdy was on it. And she said something, I think Andy asked her if, like, Ali and James would last.

And Kristen, obviously, we know how she feels about James, but she was like, no, because Ali obviously is standing up and she's not a dumb girl. Like,

she's a smart girl and soon, she'll, and James won't like that. She, that she, like, sticks up for herself, yada,

yada, yada. So it's kind of like, I like seeing this side of her. I think it's good for James, though. If he's, it will be on him

if he kind of fucks it up, you know? Like it would be, it would be a loss for him. Yeah. And I think it's, it's telling that he so quickly is like, you know, now Allie's the love of my life. I've never been this happy with anyone. You know, Raquel was cool or whatever. But like, this is, this is the real deal.

And I think for Allie, I'm not saying that she doesn't feel similarly about James. But I think we've, we're seeing in her that she has standards and she has certain things that she wants to, she needs James to show her. And I could see maybe six months a year down the line, whatever the timeline is, if James is kind of still showing these behaviors that Ali isn't cool with, I could see somebody like her putting her foot down and saying like, you know what, this isn't giving me what I need. Even if James is like, no, but you're the love of my life. if he's not showing her that, you know, actions speak louder than words. And I think right now that's kind of the tough thing is like James isn't acting like somebody who really is at peace with these past relationships and the people in his life. And Ali's like, no, no, no. If you're coming into this with a clean slate, the slate has to actually be clean.

You can't just say it. Yeah. Exactly. And it's funny because with him and Raquel, the issue was his drinking. Now, the issue with Allie and James is Raquel. It's like, if it's not this one thing, it's the next thing. You know, he gets rid of one and now he has the other. And at TomTom, James and Raquel have another conversation.

And it's sort of the same thing again, because Raquel is bringing up, you know, she was hurt by him saying that Richella was a mistake or whatever and that she says that he says things just for the purpose of hurting her. and he kind of does the same thing again where he says, you know, I don't know you anymore. You're not like the girl, whatever, whatever. And like it kind of feels like James and Ra Keller on this hamster wheel a little bit where it's like, if you don't want to be cool with each other, then just don't interact. Don't be cool with each other.

But there's this idea coming from both of them that it's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're good. We're both over it. We're fine. We're moving on. We can be in the same group together. and it's like, if that's not the case, then you would both be better off by just saying it. Exactly.

Every time they try to have a, like, they just think there's a conversation that needs to be had, but there isn't. You guys are exes. It's over. We're done. Every time they even try to have a conversation, like you said, it's a hamster wheel.

They're saying the same exact thing, and then one person offends the other in some capacity. Yeah. It's tough. It's a mess. It's a mess. Another thing, I know I mentioned that Chris and Dowdy, is it Dowdy, Doty?

I think it's Doty, but whatever. It's whatever I want to say. It's whatever I want to say. Kristen Day. You have a full-time job and she doesn't, so. The shade. Okay. Well, she made a very good point on Whatch What Happens Live where she said that,

and this just proves that Tom Sandoval is sociopath, she said that Tom, what Tom said about Ariana when he cheated on Kristen with Arianna is exactly what he's saying about Raquel. The whole like magnetic, she's electric. Like I'm just so fascinated by her. Like Kristen was saying the same exact things were said about Ariana. And it's just like, it's a pattern. Men don't fucking change.

People like Tom Sandoval don't fucking change because there is something in the brain. Maybe if he had a lobotomy. Maybe if we got Tom Sandoval lobotomy, things would be different. But until then, he's, he's, He's going to do the same thing to Raquel. This man should just be single for the rest of his life because it's obviously a fucking pattern. And as we see in the trailer for the finale,

he tells Sheena there was another time he was unloyal to Ariana. Yeah. Kristen said it. Lala has pointed out the same thing. And even Ariana in this episode when they're talking about her grandma dying, that she says 10 years ago when my dad died, that was before Tom and I were even together and he was being so supportive, so, you know, so caring,

so, you know, asking what she needed, all of this stuff. And now 10 years later, they're in a relationship. They live together. They bought a house. They're doing the whole thing. They're like life partners. And her grandma dies that she was, you know, close with. And he's sticking around at the Labor Day barbecue for two hours and lying about not

being able to get a ride home. And it's like that right there is the thing. He's moving on already. Yeah. Right. He is, he's mentally checked out. He's obviously physically involved with somebody else already. He's getting emotionally involved with somebody else already. And he's not capable of putting on a performance that's convincing to show Ariana and the other people in the group that nothing sneaky is happening. He's not able to cover it up well enough. And so when you fast forward a few months to all of us finding out about it,

it's like, yeah, no wonder you couldn't keep it a secret. You're not doing a very good job even on the show. Where are all those aspirations from season one of him wanting to be an actor? Where are those lessons? Because he has not implemented any sort of knowledge of knowing how to act the part of a cheating bitch,

because he's a cheating bitch. Well, Taylor, now he's focused on music. Now he's focused on music and he's going on tour. I'm headed to his tour with a barrel of Jersey tomatoes, the juiciest you can find, and throwing, throwing, throwing. Maybe some roaches in there too. I'm into roaches lately.

For legal reasons, this is a joke. For legal reasons, this is a joke. A complete joke. I don't even know where to get a barrel of tomatoes. I have faith that somebody else will do it. I don't need you to get involved. Oh, fine. I'll keep my hands out of it.

But just no. If anyone out there doesn't really care. I'm like, hey, Taylor, are you free to do the podcast on Thursday? You're like, actually, I'm in jail right now. So remember when I was talking about how the IRS was going to audit me last episode? It's that. Oh, no. And then I'm actually, yeah, I got caught fistfighting Tom Sandoval in the alley, sir.

That would be iconic. Holy shit. Okay, maybe that's my claim to fame. One of these days, maybe you'll come on this podcast without incriminating yourself. Probably not. It's not today, babes. Not today. Just a grab bag of offenses.

Not a grab bag. Well, you know. Okay, can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Sure. In this season of EPR, who is your star? Who is top of the pyramid for you? Top of the pyramid?

Wow. I wouldn't say maybe my favorite person, but I think top of the pyramid, I would say this season is Katie. Which feels, it, like, it feels like Katie for such a long time has been kind of like the Eeyore of Vanderpump rules. Like, she just is kind of like, it's just, she just kind of is like a downer. And like, I think her relationship with Schwartz was a lot of the time, like, just a little bit annoying to watch. And I think she got a lot of hate for just like lots of different things. But I think this season, Katie is the one who I feel like is she has a story. She's sticking to it.

She, I think she's making it very clear what she needs. And she is not willing to put up with less. And she has put up with less for a long time. And I think also she has done a better job of clocking. the everything. The Kell Schwartz, Sandoval stuff

than like Sheena has, for example. I just think this is probably the best season Katie has ever had. And I'm happy for her because I think she, you know, it's not like she has everything figured out,

but I think it feels like she is actually like making progress in her life. And I'm glad that after so many years of being kind of like stuck with Schwartz, she's really seems like she's in a better place. Yeah, like she's come to, she's come to her own. And like you said, like, I love how she isn't like when someone's praising someone that she doesn't like, she'll just be like, no, I don't like that person. She's not going to be like fake about it, you know?

So I do appreciate that from her. Yeah. I think, I mean, whatever. It's like not like Katie is my favorite person on Bravo, but I think I think this season she, she's doing a good job. And I'm, I'm liking her vibe this year. Me too. Her and Satch. Well, Taylor, I like your vibe too.

And I'm God, you were able to share it with all of us today. Do you love my, I'm in my bathroom, I'm just comfy. I'm sad that this is ending because this was the highlight of my day now and I'm supposed to do work. Babe. Really? You got to get to work. I got to get that bag. I got to get that bag.

Secure the bag. Thank you, Taylor. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show. Wherever you listen, you can follow us on Instagram at Broad by Betches. You can follow me at Dylan Hafer. Taylor, where can they follow you? They can follow me on Instagram at Taylor Jackson, two ends, baby. Love that. Thank you. And thank you everyone for listening. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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