Mention It All - Emira D'Spain on Next Gen NYC's Competing Cast Dynamics Ft. Emira D'Spain

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

On today’s video episode, Dylan is joined by model, influencer, and Bravo's Next Gen NYC breakout star Emira D’Spain to spill all the tea from behind the scenes. Emira opens up about some tensions within the cast, navigating microaggressions, and and how much has shifted since filming wrapped nearly a year ago. They dive into what made this cast dynamic so chaotic, who surprised her most, and what she really thinks about how influencers are treated in the Bravo world. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check, me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mentioned At All podcast.

I am so thrilled to be joined here for the summer by one of our newest Bravo Labs from NextGen, NYC. She's an influencer, content creator, model, and of course, now a Bravo Leopardy, Amira Despain. Hello. How are you? Hi. I'm so good. How are you?

I'm doing well. It's like 96 degrees. today. I bet it's so hot. You, I love the outfit. The boots, the denim. Southern Bell. The Labibu is in the room with us.

Yes. Mary. How's your summer going so far? My summer's good. It's been very busy, but it's really good. I feel like summer's the busiest time for me work-wise. Okay. Which is like very counterintuitive because I like want to relax.

But at the same time, it's like clocking in, Mama. You're like working in the summer is not the fantasy. No, it's not giving the fantasy that I signed up for. I feel like your, I mean, your whole vibe kind of is like the fantasy. And so you have to, you have to balance like the hustle with the. I got to serve. Can I say, can I cancel on that? Yeah.

All right. Sweet. You got to serve what now? I got to serve. This show next gen. NYC has been on for like four weeks now. So we're getting our, our toes are wet. Oh, yes.

We're in maybe like up to the, up to the knee. I don't know. We're knee deep. How is it going for you so far? It's going really well. I really am very happy with how everything's coming out so far. Like, it was honestly just so much fun to film it and like watching it back now.

It's like so entertaining to like relive the same moments. But it was so long ago sometimes that I'm like, oh my gosh, like I can't remember that. But I'm like, that's so crazy that that happened. I like forgot. Yeah.

Doing it for the first time that experience of like, okay, we're like, we're reliving this with extra commentary and also stuff I wasn't there for. It's like, okay, it's a 360 experience. 360 and like I am so used to being in control of my content. Yeah. You do beauty content and stuff and like it's so crazy not having any control over it. And I was talking to Kyle and Amanda from Summerhouse

and I was like, how do I not cringe watching myself? Like that's the one thing that I'm like, I can't hear my own voice. And I'm like, it's crazy because I've been doing content for like five years, but it's like such a different world. Right. And I wanted to ask you about that. Like you have been doing, how long have you been really like doing social media? I've been doing social media. for like five years, but like full time for four. Okay. So you've been like around the block a few times. She's been around the block, honey.

You've had a lot of different experiences, obviously like professionally, events and campaigns and partners and stuff. Like going into an experience like this where for the first time you're really like handing over the literal camera to someone else and being like, okay, like do with this what you will and then I'll see the finished product. what was that like for you deciding to to jump into this? You know, I think when I first decided to join the cast and be part of this, I didn't really think about that.

Like, I was kind of just like, I want to hang out with my friends. I want to like do cool things. And like, this just sounds like a cool opportunity to like live our lives. And yeah, I like really didn't even think about the whole difference between me filming my own stuff versus having like, you know, the whole Bravo team with us. But it was really cool. Cool. I've had such an incredible experience. Have you noticed, obviously, like, you have a career that is, like, in the public eye on social media. Now you're on a TV show. I imagine you're getting kind of like a new influx of people searching your name and finding your videos and everything. Like, have you noticed kind of any shift in the type of feedback or comments or whatever that you're receiving? I feel like people are now more invested in my life. And before it was kind of just like, oh, like, like teach us how to do this beauty thing or like how do you put on a lash I don't know yeah and now it's

like um like give us a closet tour bitch and I'm like okay I guess damn calm down yeah but I love it it's good to have people like requesting things though because that means they're invested they're invested and I love it I'm like this is so cool I I happen I was on TikTok the other day just scrolling and on my for you page you were live and it like popped up and I was like oh I'm talking to her on Monday like let me let me just like hang out here for a few minutes and see like what's the vibe. And it's so interesting because the comments are a mix of people who have known you forever from TikTok, people who just found you two weeks ago on TV and are like, hi, like, what is this? And then people who on TikTok are just like tumbleweed? They're like, who's this girl? Yeah, literally.

What's, what show? Yeah, I've seen those. It's such a funny like cross section of the internet where there's people that are like, they're like, oh my God, like your, your curling iron is iconic. Like, how do you get the curls right?

And then there's people that are like, do you think Gia is nice? Yeah. It is crazy. It's such a like, you know, I feel like my audience on TikTok especially is kind of like a lot younger.

And I think that like, the Maravo audience are people like my age or like even older. And it's like, there's such different, uh, types of content or like different types of like, I guess brains that are like asking, thing. So yeah, I don't know. It was really cool. Yeah, it's funny with this show in particular,

because you have the element of the housewives kids. Yeah. There's all these housewives fans that are like, oh, I watched Kim and Candy on Atlanta 15 years ago. Let me check this out. And then there's people that are like, you know, more around your age or even younger. So it's, it's like, it is kind of this like cross-generation next-gen, I guess. Literally. Literally. What was your level of familiarity with the housewives world? prior to doing this. So I only ever really watched Housewives of Beverly Hills. I actually, I feel like I didn't know the other ones really exist.

Because I didn't really watch that much reality TV growing up. But I also didn't watch that much TV in general. So I would kind of just like, if it was on, I would watch it. But then I, when I like met the other cast members, I instantly recognized who their parents were. Because like internet culture, it's like, even if I've never sat down and watched the show, of course I know all the memes with like their parents, you know? It's so funny watching people be like, oh, who's Gia?

And it's like, oh, my God, it's like, oh, my God. Yeah, that's like actually went so far and wide that people that have never heard of Housewives don't know Teresa at all. It's like, oh, yeah, waking up in the morning. That's her. You're like, that girl. They're waking up in the morning, girl. Yeah.

She's like, what? That was like her views for the year in one day. Crazy. The cast is a very, like, interesting mix of backgrounds with reality TV, not reality. reality TV, native New Yorkers, people who have moved to the city at various times, Ariana moved to the city yesterday. Literally yesterday. What was it like kind of starting to get that group to gel together when you were

filming, like incorporating all those different backgrounds? You know, I feel like New York is in general such a like melting pot like that. So it didn't feel inorganic that so many people had so many different backgrounds like, Gia coming in from Jersey. Ariana moving here recently, like Riley finishing school. like staying here and like she travels so much. And I feel like people are who don't live in New York may not understand that that's just like the norm. Like yeah, I can name like 50 people off the top of my head who moved here yesterday. I can name like, you know, it's like, that's like just like how

New York goes. Yeah. People who are like coming in and out. Like also living in New York watching the show, there is an authenticity to the like, oh, like Gia's out in Jersey. Like, oh, I have to go to Brooklyn. Like, you know, Ariana's sending Brooks apartment links and he's like, you can't live there. Like, it is like, there is like everybody obviously, there are lots of different, you know, walks of life in New York. But the idea that, you know, where you live and where you hang out and who you surround

yourself with, like it really is almost like a choose your own adventure. Fully. And I feel like this, this show, like it's interesting to see that kind of represented in a bunch of different ways. Totally. And I feel like it's so cool because the audience. then can choose their own adventure, right? Like, if you want to follow, like, Gia's journey into, like, how she's, like, balancing

between being in Jersey and, like, the city, it's like, that's cool to watch if you're, like, for example, someone who lives in Jersey and you're like, thinking about moving into the city. Like, that's a whole adventure for you to follow along versus, like, I've lived here for almost eight years. Like, that's another adventure to then follow along, you know? Yeah. Like, that's cool that the audience can see that. Yeah.

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even if like, you know, let's say like Brooks isn't creating the same amount of content that I am every single day, but like he still knows how much work goes into it and isn't going to be like annoyed if I have to like reschedule a plan or something. Versus my other friends, I have a lot of friends that don't work in this industry whatsoever that I just went to school with because I went to NYU. Those people may not understand it, right? Like my friends who work in like finance or something, they're going to be like, well, just like post your video later, bitch. And I'm like, no, like I'm contractually obligated to do this, you know. Yeah, it's like, I mean, there are a lot of different levels because it's like, there are days where it's like, yeah, it's cool that my job is to like go to an event. But like at the end of the day, it's a job.

Exactly. I was just in Cannes for Can Lion, the most stressed I've ever been in my life. Like the most beautiful place on earth. But like I was working. Like I was fully like up at 6 a.m. every single morning in full glam like ready to go to like meetings and interviews and like lunches and like that's like work. You know? And yes, I would go out and like Kiki with the girls after. But I was clocked in.

Yeah, like it's it's like you have to you have to be doing well at the the work part of it to get to do the play part of it along with that. Yeah. And then this cast, it's interesting because like there's people who are, you know, just figuring out if they want to have careers, what those careers might look like. That is like such a also such a New York thing where like watching Charlie who's like 29 years old be like, I don't know. is like, is work like a thing that I feel like, do I want to do? Yeah. It is like, it's interesting. And I'm wondering for you like knowing that you're kind of out here like hustling,

finding that next thing. Like what is it like when you're kind of interacting with people that have all these different types of career situations? I feel like other people have always never really held any weight to like the level of, I guess, ambition that I have. like I have immigrant parents. They're very strict and they're very like if you're not a doctor or a lawyer or like a God knows what like you're not slaying.

I had to literally convince them, hey, I want to quit my job as an editor to do content all time and they're like, okay, fine. But like I feel like I have established myself in this industry by how much, how hard I work and stuff. So it's like, I don't know. It's very different. I like can't judge other people. It's like it's a completely different growing up experience.

So I have no, like, qualms with them living their lives. Like, if I could just sit on my ass and kiki and party all day, I would. Yeah. I feel like you sort of, like, stood on that a little bit in the most recent episode at Chloe's birthday party when Ariana is talking about wanting to do a clothing line, wanting to design. And Ava's reaction is kind of like her fashion. Yeah.

Huh? And you were kind of like, I don't know, like, let her live. Like, what's the issue here? I feel like no one should judge someone else, especially on like a business standpoint. Like if your friend is launching a business or something and it may not be like your taste or like your liking, like you should still just be supportive no matter what. I think that's something too like in this kind of era that we're in where people can like, you know, grow a following and monetize that and start a business or whatever. It's like you don't need everyone in the world to be a fan. Right.

You don't need to be like Oprah Winner. free to have a successful business. Like you can have your set of your corner of the internet that is like behind you and do well enough with that set of people that it's like, okay, like my clothing line maybe isn't for Ava Dash. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I don't know. Yeah, I think this group has a lot of that energy. And I think like that comes along too with being a housewives kid sometimes is that there is that like judgment placed on like, oh like the what knowledge do you have in that field to be able to do something like that. Yeah, and I feel like that's maybe where it was coming from from Ava. Even if it was unintentional, I feel like it might have been like a little bit of a like, well, what knowledge do

you have about the fashion space? Right. To do that. But at the same time, it's like, this is your friend who's launching something or is like thinking about launching something. You should just be supportive no matter what. Yeah. And like maybe you can critique along the way like as things come out or as like, you know, she's starting to do samples and things. Then you can give your input. Right. See the clothes first and then decide they're ugly. Give it a chance, mom. But it's like, no, like, I saw the clothes and they were trash. Yeah. Damn.

Like, that could be like a season two conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Then if we get there, then you can say something. Like she just put her deposit down, let her move in. Yeah. She's still unpacking. Let her live.

It is like, it is interesting. Like, you guys filmed this like about a year ago, right? Yeah. It's like, it's funny to watch like and think about in real time that it's like, I saw, you know, Ariana your guys's premiere and she came on the show and it's like, oh, she's like lived here for a year now. Yeah. You know, seeing people's relationships and thinking about the way that things develop, like, how, what do you feel like has kind of changed in your life or maybe in like the life of the group since filming?

I feel like a lot of friendships since we wrapped filming have like evolved and blossomed. I feel like as a cast, we've definitely become a lot closer. We've like hung out off camera multiple times altogether. And I feel like Ariana and I have gotten super close. And our boyfriends have gotten really close to. And I feel like that's been my favorite part. come out of the show. I feel like Gia and I have also gotten really close.

And I don't know, it's been really cool to watch all these other friendships blossom too. Arion is like really cool. I love her so much. I think people are kind of like surprised by her vibe on the show because they're just used to seeing like her mom and her as a little kid. Yeah. And it's like, oh, like she's like a, she's like a girl's girl. She's funny. Yeah.

She's like such a like, she's so likable. Yeah. And it makes sense, I think, to have somebody on the show who is that almost like looking, like brand new to the city looking around like I just you know I just dropped my bags yesterday yeah and it's like okay that's kind of a good like entry point into like okay tell me tell me where Brooklyn is well exactly especially for the audience who doesn't know the city like it's like cool to then follow that along it's again like you were saying choose your own adventure I know that you you couldn't make it to Gia's party a couple episodes ago but I feel like that was one of the

one of the more dramatic kind of arcs so far this season and was the stuff with Riley and Charlie and that conversation about like microaggressions and all of that. I assume you kind of heard some of that through the grapevine. Oh yeah. What was it like watching the episode and kind of getting the like full perspective?

You know, I think that sometimes people say things that they don't mean and they say things without knowing that the connotation that it's attached to. And I think someone like Charlie may not have been as educated in that space. That's not an excuse for him to act that way. But I also think that when someone's telling you

that something made them feel a certain way or something made them act like, you know, like it hurt your feelings or whatever it may be, that I feel like alone should be enough for you to then apologize and make good and such. Yeah, I think that also totally agree. And I think you're also seeing a little bit of a learning curve with like, obviously like becoming friends with more people

but also like doing a show like this for the first. first time that it's like, hey, like, if you apologize, then you go five feet away and say that the apology was fake. Cannot. Everybody watching the show is going to think you're a loser. Well, that's just like crazy. That's just like, that's like, that's like, that's like, apollical. Right.

It's like, wait till tomorrow at least. I mean, like, again, I feel like some things like that. It's like unintentional, but at the same time, it's pointed and it's like done with, it's not necessarily done maliciously, but it's done with like ego in. top priority of being like, okay, my ego needs to be protected. Yeah. Yeah, I only apologize. Like, it was fake. Well, and I think also like when you're, I mean, that would be like a, you know, not a great thing to do like just IRL to a friend. Yeah. But that especially when you're on a show like this, it's like things are going to get picked apart. You're going to get feedback on on social media

from the viewers, from the fans, whatever. Like you, you do have to put like a little bit of an extra layer of thought into some of your choices if you don't want to be just. perceived a certain way. Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress.

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O-L-L-L-Y.com. Were you, what was your kind of, I know you were talking about kind of like it was the first time that you weren't in control of how something was being portrayed. Were you kind of thinking at all about like what you wanted your like role on the show or in the group to be? Not really. I feel like I naturally kind of fall into the same role in a lot of my friend groups where I'm kind of just like the mediator a lot of the times where I feel like I'm the like, I don't know, I'm a Libra. so I'm like always in trying to do like the balance thing.

So I feel like that's always been my role in like every friendship. and I never really thought about my role within this friend group so no but I feel like naturally I and you'll see later on in the season too like I kind of do fall into that role so yeah

I think also like something that I've noticed because I've followed you for a while on like TikTok and stuff and I feel like you sort of have this like air of mystery about your life a little bit where it's like I mean you're on live and it's like get ready with me for Sugar Daddy's funeral or like you're talking about like coming from oil

money or whatever. And it's like, I think on the show, like, you, you can't quite do that. Yeah, you have to give it all. Even just seeing like you and your boyfriend having like a normal ass conversation together, it's like, okay, like we're, we're kind of like seeing a little bit of a different vibe. I feel like that's all, that was always hard for me. Yeah.

Like I feel like while we were filming and you'll see later on in the season. I like, like, get more and more like involved and stuff. But I feel like I was so afraid of that for a while. And of course my schedule was crazy But I was so afraid of like not being in control That I was like trying Like hiding myself a little bit you know But it's crazy

My audience has never seen anything like that Like me doing that type of stuff so I was dying at him pronouncing Prada like it rhymes with barata I know You're like wait sorry what We got a you know we need like the ABCs of Amira's world

But he thought I invented the word chic. Like, he thought that I came up with that word that I just made that up. And I was, I know, the word chic is a thing. It's like, wow, babe, this, like, trend has gotten so big that you came up with of chic. I cannot. Oh, my God. Think how rich you would be if you invented the word chic.

Like, that'd be crazy. Trademark. I would be so she. I'm so far from chic, so. I love that. No, I think, like, when you're, it's interesting thinking about the idea of, like, drama in the influencer space because people love, like, a feud on social media, the, like, you know, the NYC influencer discourse or whatever.

But it's so different. Yeah. It's like you can hide behind your screen. And the drama from our show, it's like you're forced to confront your friends face to face as you would in a real friend group. I mean, this is a real friend group, you know? Like, we all have actual relationships with one another that it's like, it's not just like two influencers beefing over a boy, you know?

How do you, have you been in like a influencer? are beef? I have a long time ago. I feel like you keep your side of the street pretty clean for the most part. Actually, you know what? And it takes a lot to really piss me off. Like I'm very level-headed and I feel like it really takes someone like doing some type of crazy disrespect and you'll see you later on in the show.

But it takes a lot of disrespect to get me to like, be like, okay, damn. Like I got to like unleash the dragon. Well, I almost feel like when you're on TikTok, it's like so much of the time. if I find out about something, some drama that's happening, I find out from like the third layer of like somebody stitched and there's a story time and then an explainer and a trend and the original video is deleted. So you're like digging through the like blue text searches to try and find like what is anyone talking about.

Whereas like on a show like this, it's like, oh yeah, like you can rewind and see what you said. It's literally they're going to roll the footage back on you. Yeah, it's very different. Very different. But I think it's cool. It's like it's so different to be part of, but it's also so entertaining. Yeah. And I think it's it's fun like with the the group on this show, I feel like there's a lot of different stuff going on. So I imagine that when you watch the episodes, it is kind of like, okay, like let me check. Like, okay, like what's. I'm like, that that's what that's happening. That scene that where Seth Marks and Charlie went out one on one. And Seth is giving him this spiel about life coaching. I was I was like what planet are we on right now? I cannot.

The whole Marx family. The Marks family. They're so iconic. They're insane. Crazy and the best way. I love it. Just the Marx experience. Yeah.

The full Marks experience. I love that. I think I think it's a fun show. What would you say to people who maybe are like, I think especially with the more like older like seasoned Bravo audience, they're kind of like, what's this kid show? Like what do you feel like? is kind of like your pitch for like... I would say give it a shot

because there's nothing like it on TV right now. And I think that it's so interesting because like we have had so many shows in the past about New York that were scripted or reality shows, but like nothing like this that's being present day portraying not just like a young cast

of people who live in New York, but New York itself. Like I think it's so entertaining because New York is almost a character on its own and I feel like that's so interesting to watch. as someone who like may want to move here one day or is like aspiring to live here or is even just entertained by like anything New York related like it's so interesting to watch the city and these people

that live in it yeah I feel that and I feel like there's a lot of like potential makes it sound like it's it sounds like bad but it's like there's so many different ways it could go totally like watching this group and like people working on their stuff it's like three years from now I could see this going so many different directions 100% and that's exciting very exciting very like um a little nerve wracking because it's like it's fully in the control of like how we all i guess and bravo like tells the story it's like how are you going to like live your life it's like that's what's going to be portrayed so i don't know is there anything for you that you feel like on on the first season you were like hesitant to share or didn't weren't as open about that now

you're like oh wait like this this could have been cool or like i wish i would have done more of this Like any kind of things like that? I mean, honestly, my relationship. I feel like I keep that pretty private from TikTok. And honestly, Instagram too. That's just not my type of content. I try to stick it to really just like beauty and like glow up tips and like feeling like a baddie and being hot and sexy. But I feel like sharing more about myself and not just being a talking head online has like kind of opened up my eyes to be like, okay, this I'm not just here for like advice.

Like I can also be like a entertaining person that people will want to watch because my. life is interesting. Yeah. You know, I think that too. Like people, I think like living in New York, it almost feels like you forget how. Yes. Even something like so simple as like, I don't like, like going to Pilates and getting mach in the morning. Like that's like, like some people would die to do that. Yeah. Like I'll like random, you know, like I'll be somewhere. I think about this sometimes when people complain about Times Square when they're like, oh my God, like it's the worst day of my life. I have to like sat foot in Times Square. And it's like sometimes it is.

But then sometimes I'm like, oh my God, like. I get to like see this. Somebody else would be like clicking with the camera a hundred times because they finally got to see Times Square. Yeah. And it's like, we just like live here. We just like waltz right on over. Like that's crazy.

Maybe like, I don't know. I feel like next season could be fun. I think it will be. I think the rest of the season is going to be very, very interesting. Yeah. I'm excited to see a little bit more. Amira. I know you, I know you were juggling a lot of things.

during filming, but I feel like the people are, the people want Amira. The people want more. And that, that to me was like the craziest, like, realization when I started getting messages like that and seeing comments like that being like, we need more Amira, we need more Amira. You'll get it. But I was very, very stressed out. It was also, we were shooting this too during Pride. So I had a lot of, like, brand things, like, brand commitments and stuff and, like,

trips that I had to do. But now you'll see more and more. And, like, it's, it's really good. You're like, okay, like, give me a second. Let me breathe. Hang on, guys. Hang on. No, we're easing our way in. The water is warm and it's going to be a good time.

Yes, so good. Well, thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me. Of course. Thank you, everyone for watching. Don't forget to rate, review, follow the show, subscribe. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool.

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