Mention It All - Erika Goes Evil In Aspen Ft. Sami Sage (RHOBH)

Episode Date: September 8, 2022

Dylan is joined by Sami Sage to discuss RHOBH’s much-anticipated trip to Aspen. This week, Erika has decided the only victim is her, and they share their thoughts on how the group handles her outburst. They also discuss Diana’s strategic charitable move, and how things are starting to unravel between Kyle and Kathy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today we have a lot to talk about, and so I am thrilled to have somebody here who I know will be just as excited to break it down as I am. Please welcome back to the podcast, Betch's co-founder, Sammy Sage. Hello. Hello, hello. You're right. I'm thrilled to talk about this episode. It flew by for me. It was one of those episodes where I didn't, it just didn't even check the time.

And it was over before I knew it. It's one of those episodes where obviously this Aspen trip has been on all of our radars for, you know, nine months or whatever since it happened in real time. And we haven't even gotten to, I think, the reason that the Aspen trip was so talked about, which is whatever's going to happen with. Kathy Hilton, but this episode was so, I don't know, it was kind of mind-blowing in the way that Erica really just decided to dig in her heels and kind of, kind of say, fuck it. After, after like a year and a half or two years of doing this dance a little bit of not showing that much compassion to the victims, but also kind of having to play this role and being, you know, seeming upset and there's kind of been this back and forth and either she does want to talk about

or she doesn't like this really seems like a little bit of a sea change in the fact that she's like fuck these people I only care about myself you should only care about me and that's the way it's going to be what was so fascinating was watching kyle and derreet and rina almost act as like her bodyguard like they got to get her out of here while she's while she's acting so horribly and ruining her own reputation and thereby our reputations. Right. Rina, like, escorting her out of the property.

She's like, nope, nope, nope, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's the end of it. That's the end of it. And then as Erica goes out the door, she's like, what about the facts, you know, facts? She's literally like, I don't even know if this is like the right reference. It's Blanche Dubois. Yeah.

Is she not that? Does she not give that energy? Because something else that I, I mean, I think you could, we don't know what we'll have the next episode, but between Kathy and. and Kyle, there does seem to be a bit of tension mounting. Like, Kathy keep, I mean, Kyle keeps, like, nipping at her. But I think this whole episode, up until now, we sort of had Erica's. I think a lot of why Erica doesn't want to, like, give up and have compassion for the victims

is like what Crystal said, that she's worried that it'll make her seem, like, she's admitting she did something wrong. But I also think she's really tied up in her, like, obsession with materialism. Because the whole time she was just talking, you know, Kathy was talking about her storage facility and her is like can we go in there? Yeah. And she's like, does this driveway mean it's like heated? Like you, she was very, um, more leaning into sort of like the materialism than the

victimhood this episode I felt. And I think that that sort of like cult like the seven, the seven hundred fifty thousand dollar questionably one point three million dollar earrings were was sort of like the, the like apex of her stress. And I wonder if like being. in Aspen again, because it seems like she had been there in the past, had really, like, triggered her feeling of like, oh, much shit, my life is like different. Right.

That Aspen is a place where she's never been there as not the high roller. And so being in this environment where she is, you know, with Kathy and Kyle and partially on Bravo's dime, of course, kind of still able to put up that facade. And, you know, I just found the Botega clutch that's signed and numbered. It is kind of, it's tricky watching her this season because we see her kind of go back and forth between the, you know, like I still got nice stuff and I have the, I still have two closets. And I just found a Alexander McQueen python coat that I didn't even know I had. And, you know, kind of throwing out these things that it's like, clearly she still has luxury in her life in a way that seems not the average person.

but then she'll also have these moments of, I go back to that thing that I ended up like meming as a video where she's like, I don't want any of this. I don't want to be in this house. I'm miserable like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like she has these moments where she's so down in the dumps and acting like she's living this life of destitution. But then it's obvious watching it that that's not really the case. But this episode, it seems like she's back in this. kind of like fantasy of still being expensive to be her. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Like the, and it was interesting because she's, all her friends know she's going through this lawsuit. And when Garcell's saying, I guess maybe it was in the interview that she was saying,

like Erica should not be talking about these things right now. There, you can tell that there is an element of the ladies, the ladies, the other wife. What do I call them? The wives. The wives. The, the, the other cast members sort of trying to, like, protect her. because they're aware that she's filming this. They're aware that she's saying, you know, talking about her really expensive earrings on

camera. And when you think about it, you're like, what does, what does you need that for? And it's like, you know she doesn't need these earrings. And like she probably knows she doesn't need them either. But it's like just, it was wild to watch her dig her heels in in such a really like, a way that she couldn't even like put her mask back on. Like that was just, it was so. unbelievably tantrum-like that it was almost hard to believe she was saying it.

Yeah. And watching, I think Kyle's reactions to some of it specifically was interesting to watch because Kyle has mostly been supportive of Erica throughout this time. And when she was saying, you know, this stuff, it's not okay what she's saying. And specifically with the earrings when she said, it would be easy for Erica to just say, guys, please be patient with the process. It's taking a while, but obviously we're going to make sure

whatever happens. But the way that Erica is conveying that same message is like, I'm not guilty until proven guilty, you fucking bitch. And like, it's the court of law. And it's like the way, it's just in this episode in particular,

it seems like all sort of, all, you know, in, like her her urge to kind of keep it controlled even if the message is still fuck all y'all

she could do it in a little more of a decorum sort of way and this episode that just kind of vanishes and I don't know if she was drinking or what but we've already speculated about what substances may or may not have been involved but to your okay you just not to make this

political but there is such a you just like made me think of such an analogy the way that like kind of and Reda and we're like, we can't offend you if you're going to say this. It's like sort of like how the Republicans used to be with Trump, how it's like, oh, as long as you say this like in a certain way, we will be down with your argument. But not like if you're going to say it as like grossly as you are as you're going into it. I think that's a fair comparison.

And I think it is kind of within the Fox Force dynamic. There has been this a little bit of an unspoken thing of like, we're going to stay. by you, but that has to come along with some kind of acknowledgement that there was something wrong that went on. And, you know, maybe the victims are floating out in space somewhere. And perhaps at some point, there will be some decision made. And maybe I'll have to give up the earrings. But that doesn't mean I knew anything or did anything wrong. But also then, we're not going to say that until it comes to that point. And I think that has kind of been the deal a little bit. And then this episode, Erica kind of takes it to a new place of all of a sudden, you know, Kyle and

Rina are a little bit like, oh, we didn't sign up to be like the accomplices for the, you know, the evil queen. Right. They're like, they're, they don't really care what she did or didn't do. I don't even believe they would care if she knew that much, as long as it didn't look like she knew. They really, it just really showed how much they care so much more about the appearance of looking like there's something, some sort of excuse or that there's like some sort of like defensible, like respectable argument for her rather than like what did she actually do and what does it actually mean that she has these earrings? Like what is she going to, that's what I also wonder. It's like, what are you even going to do with these?

it's not like, you know, you're going to wear them on a regular, like, how can you wear them? Everyone's going to know. I did love. The earrings. I did love when Garcell and Crystal were talking about it. And they're like, did you see, is she wearing them? Can you look at her? Those couldn't be them.

No. Like, I imagine those earrings would be very recognizable. Like, I'm sure we could find a picture of them. Yeah, I think there's pictures. But, yeah, and I think so far, Erica has kind of kept the victim. narrative, the orphans and widows, she's kind of avoided it. Like, it's kind of, okay, like, we're not, you know, we'll talk about what I'm going through. But this week, she takes it to such an opposite direction of, we don't know if there are victims.

How do we know they're telling the truth? You know, she, she says, I don't, I don't, I'm not saying I don't feel for the potential victims. And Erica and Garcell's like, excuse me? It's like, you could, you could really have thrown this all on your husband. and made yourself look good and major earning potential so much higher. But the way she's acting to their point, to the other, the other wives point, is just not doing herself any favors. But again, like, you can't, if you can't even fake giving a shit, you really, really have to not give a shit.

Like, there can't even be a piece of you that fields any amount. Because if you could, then you would channel that. She's supposed to be an actress. Well, this woman was on Broadway. Right. Let alone the fact that she can't even act like she has compassion. Let alone the fact that you know you're on camera and millions of people are going to watch this that already aren't rooting for you. And then this is just going to be catnip for that whole section of people.

But, I mean, speaking of pretending to give a shit, Diana Jenkins is like, all you ladies are talking about the earrings. if you really care so much, why can't, you know, take it off your ears and give it. And she did donate $100,000 this week. She did that as a fuck you, though. Yes. As soon as I saw, I guess it was Wednesday morning that she posted that or Tuesday morning. It was Wednesday morning. Right.

So she posted on her Instagram that the Diana Jenkins Foundation is going to be donating $100,000 to the victims of Lionair, which, by the way, is not even one full earring. It's not even half an earring. It's a barrel. Not even a quarter of an earring. Just saying. One seventh of an ear. One seventh of one earring. One earring.

Okay. But still more expensive than, that's insane. Like, we're talking about such crazy amounts of money. Right. When you think about it, that this amount to go to the victims would make such a difference that like it's actually mind blowing that they then sort of like deploy this for drama. But one thing Diana said, I actually, like, my jaw fell on the floor about, she said to Garcel, like, why don't you donate your earrings? It's like, why should Garcel donate her own shit to the victims of Tom Durardi?

Like, that is just such a crazy, why would she even say that? Like, I don't, it's, I don't even. Right. And to imply or to suggest that Garcel shouldn't get to have feelings about. Erica's behavior unless she is putting her own resources into this cause. And it's like, I mean, yes, of course, donating to these victims is a great thing to do in general. But that doesn't, it's not a tip for tat of like, you can't think Erica's making questionable choices unless you've taken the earrings off your own ears, which is like. But here's, okay, but why is it any, any purse, individual person,

job to make, like, random person's job to make these victims whole when they were already made whole by a very large settlement that was then stolen by someone. Like, yes, they are victims of a plain, like an actual tragedy. But it's not like Diana saying, oh, you should donate to like the cause of curing a disease or eradicating some injustice. Right. Like they didn't need to be victims of Tom Durardi. They were victims of an accident. They were paid for that. And then Tom Durradi made them victims of something that is entirely his fault. Right. So why should like, why should Garcel or anybody have to be, this isn't like a cause.

This is one guy fucked over his clients. Yeah. It's like this go fund me shouldn't need to exist. Right. And so her, I'll just read her Instagram caption announcing it. So she said, I was not aware of this tragedy until it became a topic of conversation on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I feel so much sympathy.

for the widows and orphans left behind. I like the dropping of widows and orphans. Open and honest. I know firsthand the pain and suffering that accompanies the loss of a family member, having lost my brother in the closing days of Bosnian War. I want to do what I can to support those people who suffered so much. For more information, visit suenellaFoundation.org. Okay, first of all...

What does the Bosnian War have to do with this? I don't know. But, okay, first of all... Okay, her first name is Sanella. Yeah. S-A-N-E-L-A. The name of the foundation is S-U-N-E-L-A. Are we sure that wasn't a typo?

No, it says it like six, like the logo. It's Sunella Foundation. So I don't understand that, but also what I think is really interesting, this is a new charity, a new foundation that it really seems like was just founded like when she posted this on Instagram. because there are no other posts on the Sunella Foundation Instagram account. And it says that this is their first philanthropic project as an organization. And so... Mommy wants a tax write off.

Again, like, donating to charity is a great thing. So she started a charity. But it's like, wait, so you literally were in Aspen and you heard the talk about the earrings. And you were like, you know what I should do? No, but she was an Aspen nine months ago. She just started this charity. It's giving, it's giving I've raised millions for the LGBT. It's, you know, what's insane, though, is that, like, this happened months ago.

And she just started a foundation, like, the day before this episode air. Right. Like, it's not the same thing as when, like, Rina Rosey launches their Instagram page the day that the Rina Rosey episode is on. Like, you're donating. money to people who have like third degree burns. It's, it is she, okay, this woman loves to make big proclamations about her donations. And as we know from the Larry David episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm, the best, the Larry David episode that all they are. I think that's all of them.

No, I'm like from the, I meant to say from the anonymous donor episode of Curb Your enthusiasm, that it's, you know, it's a little tacky the way she, she goes advertising her, her donations. just going to say it. Yeah, it's like Roney, like the step and repeat, where is the social register? I think, yeah, and Diana also, I think it's obvious to all of us watching at this point in the season that it's not going well for her on Beverly Hills. And the way she kind of handles responding to things like this on social media, it feels, everything feels like a PR move, but like not quite the right one. And when she's, you know, when the Garcell bot comment thing was happening and her, one of her first responses was sharing some Huffington Post contributor article, which by the way is like a public forum that anyone could post on. Article from like 10 years ago that she wrote again about the Bosnian War. And it's like that was somehow supposed to show that she is like a compassionate person who's been through stuff.

And it's like, okay, so what? I've never heard someone weaponized the Bosnian War quite so strongly. But, you know, good for her that she is getting it into the, you know, ether because now I'm much more conscious of it than I was previously. But at the same time, the fact that she did this Sunella Foundation makes me now think even more that she did the bot thing. because she continuously aligns online behavior with her show behavior. Right. And with this also, it's hard to place exactly where she feels like this is coming from because she's been really pro Erica for the most part on this season.

You know, she's been very in the camp of Rina, Erica, Dorett, you know, that kind of side of things. And so she's doing this, which would kind of seem like a fuck you to Erica in a way. But then when you actually think about it, it's like it seems like actually more of a fuck you to like Sutton and Garcell. Because it's like you're the ones asking all these questions, but where's your $100,000 donation through your charity foundation that you set up for this express purpose that you're also probably. It's like, you're also probably benefiting. Really, you made your assistant to all the paperwork for like a 501C3 nonprofit just so you could like look good the week of the reunion? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, look, I don't, she doesn't strike me as a woman who does any of her own work herself. She has someone who's doing it for her. Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. But I did assume that it was a fuck you to Erica. It hadn't even occurred to me that it would be a fuck you to Garcel and Sutton until her comment last night about. how Garcel should donate her earrings to the victim. Right. And Erica did comment on this post about the donation with just a bunch of hearts.

So, you know, she acknowledged it. And that's, was so weird. Was in support. But it's like, right. So then it's like, what I would have expected Erica's comment to be like, where's my $100,000? You're supposed to care about me. Right.

Right. Like, none of it makes any sense. She was, she was, she was, the thing she was saying were like, really just such a bad look. But, yeah. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now. And up to 60% off.

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Going back earlier on the episode, because it was a full hour of TV, and I feel like we've mostly only talked about the last 15 minutes. Oh, there's more to talk about. What did you think about the discussion of Sutton at the beginning of the episode? And it's Kyle and Brina and Erica, and they're talking about kind of how Sutton handles things. And Kyle says that she thinks she's figured Sutton out, that Sutton is great one-on-one and can be, you know, compassionate and say the right things. But then when she gets in front of the group, something changes. And Kyle says that it's classic mean girl stuff. And I was, I don't, I don't necessarily disagree that Sutton is better one-on-one than in the group.

Just in terms of getting her point across, not kind of stumbling over her words. But the mean girl stuff comment kind of caught me by surprise because I feel like, especially in the dynamic with Diana in the last episode, if anyone was the mean girl, it was Diana, at least from my point of view. Yeah. Yeah, no, I think, yeah,

Kyle made a really great analysis, but she drew the completely wrong conclusion. And I think that that was like a little bit of a projection, because in these group settings, it's her and Erica and Rinna who were mean to Sutton. So I agree with you. She is different. And I think it, I don't think it's meanness.

I think it's like awkwardness. And can maybe like trying to like assert her place but not fully having the confidence or like know who's awareness of who's on her side. I think she probably feels like a little bit double crossed by these women as well from time to time. Yeah. I think probably it's a little bit like when she and when she and Kyle are one on one, I actually, I like their friendship.

And it's gone over the course of a couple seasons where they can have these kind of one-on-one real discussions. And I think sometimes have breakthroughs a little bit about what's happening with the group. And that, to me, has been some of Kyle's best moments too, because Kyle isn't kind of wrapped up in the Fox Force tornado. But then I do think when they get in the group scenes, that's not really a safe space for Sutton. Whereas Kyle, Erica, Doreet, Rina, even Diana more so than Sutton, they don't really have to worry about people coming for them out of left field. And, you know, suddenly Kyle is like the one kind of holding the spoon and stirring the pot. And she's like, well, Sutton.

Yeah. Right. You did say that about you did. And it's like, yeah, of course Sutton's going to be like on her back feet, you know, on her heels. Right. She totally uses, Kyle does use the things that people say to her in private. I mean, every housewife does that. So that's kind of the whole show. But I completely, I totally agree. And I think even when you saw, once you get Sutton alone with any of the women, like you saw her get alone with Erica and Garcell and Choray during the one they were like snowmobile. Yeah. Yeah. Even in that one like Erica and Sutton were like warm to each other, weirdly.

And it's like, oh, like, you guys can get along. And even Sutton is like, every time she gets on fight with someone, she always tells how much she likes them, which is sort of endearing. But, yeah, I mean, I think the issue is them as a group that they kind of all collude as like one person and one side and one perspective. And Sutton doesn't really, you know, she can really only like do any big, she can only really really reconcile with them one-on-one. Right. It was, it was kind of crazy to watch in that scene when they're saying that they like each other. And they actually, they've had a few moments like that

this season. I like you. And Garcell is like, I think they would get along if they could just drop the bullshit. And already when Garcell said that, I'm a little bit like, well, there's this legal elephant in the room. It's not just bullshit between the two of them. But then, And 20 minutes later in the episode, Erica has completely just burned down all of Aspen. And it's like, okay, so yeah, that's why they're never going to be best friends. And also now Garcel isn't going to fuck with Erica either. Well, I mean, what was wild about that is that, like, it was really Garcel and Crystal. And I feel like from an audience perspective, the two of them are a little bit unassailable when it comes to this argument.

it. And yeah, I think it was just a, I don't know. They're all so fake to each other. Rina did have a point when she was saying like this group is so intense. Or maybe it was Eric who was saying this group was so intense. Rina with the edibles. And yeah, I mean, let me just say, Rina being annoyed that her edible high is being like ruined by screaming. That's the most I've related to her in like three seasons. Right. Right. She's like, can we always shut up? Right, like, and it sounds like, I wanted to play shuffleboard. It's like, you, girl, like, you can still play shuffleboard. She left.

I did like seeing Crystal kind of step up to the plate with Erica this episode and specifically talking about the victims. Because Erica, like we've talked about, is suddenly in this place where she's like, it's only trendy to care about the victims. You only give a shit because other people have told you that you should. And I really appreciated Crystal kind of putting her foot down in that moment and saying, I don't care because anybody told me to care. I care because I actually care. Yeah. And that's what shows that Erica just really has some sort of empathy screw missing because she can't even imagine that the other wives,

her cast members, might actually care about just have regular old empathy or sympathy for people. Right. And it's so wild to her that they would shoot. to care more about these potential victims than about their friend Erica Jane. And it's like,

but that's not, but then she's saying she's not a, she's saying she's not a victim. But every, it's a, I mean, it's a very like, fine line.

Listen to what I do, not what I say, because it's like she is fully just portraying herself as the victim. It's also like, you're fine, Erica. Like,

that's what I wish they would sort of say to her. Mm-hmm. There are so many things, that she was saying and I was like, I wish Crystal would just come back at her a little harder, but Crystal seemed to be considering her words more, which I understand. Yeah, it was really just a lot. Can we talk about Kathy and Kyle? Let's do it.

Okay. Kathy was definitely acting a little bit. It was weird that she showed up in hotel slippers. But Kyle's like weird obsession and picking on her really came to be a lot. over the episode. We cared so much about the bag at dinner. I'm like, let the lady carry a tote bag.

Who cares? Right. And then also, okay, the surrealness of Kathy trying to like promote her tequila without having the sort of like savviness of how the other women usually promote their stuff was so funny. Because you know what producer said to her like, just tell them about the tequila and tell them you could do what bottoms up. Yeah.

And then none of them were game. for it whatsoever. Right. And I don't know. I wonder if they were like still a little bit bitter about the contract negotiations that had been sort of recently closed and they didn't want to deal with her promoting her thing. But since when did these women not like tequila? Yeah.

I mean, clearly like from a viewer perspective, last season, Kathy was such a big hit. And so I would think they would be excited to have her back on the show just because she is, you know, she's getting, people are in, are. happy to see Kathy on the show. But also, it wouldn't shock me if there is some feeling within the group of, we've been doing this for three months now. We're 16 episodes, whatever, into the season. And now you're coming along to be like the scene stealer. Like, we don't actually need you. I don't know if anybody feels this way. I don't know who might feel that way. But I could imagine that sentiment kind of being present. And I think Kathy also,

last season, she never was really plugging anything or promoting anything. Like, she just was kind of there for the ride. And so now seeing the flashback to the both times that she's talked about, the tequila, first of all, the delivery is a little clunky, but also it's like, the like fun, clueless grandma is a little bit, like, you can see through it a little bit when she's like, well, Nikki invested in the tequila, a barrel aged for 90 days. In France, in barrels.

And it's like, okay. Like, I don't really need to hear the spiel from you, but okay. Well, it's like, you wonder if on the production schedule it said after dinner, we're going to go play shuffleboard and drink Kathy's tequila. Right. And they were, they must have been, I bet you, the rest of them were like, I don't want to drink cafe's tequila. Like, you know, and then she tried to do this thing.

And then Kyle was being, you know, rude about it. Well, when Sutton's like, but you know, I drink vodka. And it's like, yeah, nobody's going to like shove the tequila in your mouth. It's like a fun activity. Right. And last, I mean, I do think Kathy probably was a little bit caught off guard because last season, the bottoms up thing was such a hit. Right.

That prank was like people were, I mean, people were posting about it on social media. People were talking about it. People loved it. And so for her to bring it up this season, it's like, mm-mm. Yeah, it was very awkward. It wasn't even like, oh, only half the cast wants to do it. It was like, no, we're not doing that. Right, right. Yeah, they were like, they were like, we don't want anything. Fuck you. But the whole time, Kyle was kind of shading Kathy. I don't really know why that, like, what really preceded that. But it was very clear. But it also, I think, is a two-way street, though, because at the end of the episode when Kyle was really getting worked up about what Erica was saying, and Kathy, Kathy wasn't really even involved in the conversation.

She's like, Kyle, dear, stop cursing. And it's like, we're going through something over here. That was so weird. That was, okay, sometimes you really see glimpses of, like, their sisterliness. And that was definitely one of them. And so was when Kyle was, like, left her in the bunk bed. And she was like, don't let my dog out. Bye. Yeah, and I think with the cursing thing, it almost feels sometimes Kathy goes into like the big Kathy vibes a little bit when it's like telling, telling her like, don't do that. It's not you could, it almost like she didn't say this, but it gives off the vibe of like it's not ladylike for you to be speaking like that. Right. She had a shade of that too when she was talking about Sutton's boobs in the dress. If you didn't have little girl boobs, it would be vulgar. It's like, Kathy. Right. It was all very. countess of her. Yeah. And I think we forget, because that's not really the side of Kathy that she's chosen to show us on the show. It's easy to forget that that is kind of like her long time vibe. Is this like aloof woman of luxury who you wouldn't expect to be funny? You wouldn't expect her to be

down to earth sometimes. And like she would be, you know, when she's saying like, oh, it's with the lady. like, yeah, she's like, Ramona singer vibes a little bit, like saying she doesn't know the name of the help. Like, that's, that is Kathy Hilton at least one side of her. And maybe we haven't seen mostly that side on the show. But it's like, yeah, she's going to tell you that you look vulgar in your top because you happen to have big boobs. It's like actually, Ramona's actually the one who's putting it on. And it's Kathy who actually is purebred that. Yeah.

Yeah, or at least married that and has been that for a long time. Long enough that it's real at this point. Right. I think the most, I think a very like good peek into Kathy is, I mean, this is an old episode, but her preparing for the dinner where Erica was freaking out. The French dinner, yeah. The French dinner. Her preparing for that, her doing the, her setup, how she was talking about how she set

up for this dinner for like a week and really like she didn't even do anything. Right. That was a classic. I think that was like a real peek into Kathy Hilton. And I think it probably is, you know, we haven't, that's really the only time that we've seen like Kathy entertaining on this show, which of course she's not a housewife. It's not her job to be throwing events all the time. But it's like, yeah, Kathy doesn't have these dumb little housewife parties.

She has like a proper dinner party with a French butler and caviar courses and, you know, the mother of Pearl Spoon. And like, that's how she lives. That's how she entertains. And I think sometimes having to go through this, like, dog and pony show of housewives entertaining is probably a little bit like, why am I here? Right. I think she doesn't, like, get it, that it's supposed to be feel real, even though it's not real.

Right. She's like, you ruined my dinner party. And it's like, no, that was an excellent episode of TV. Right. No, like that was actually the point of the dinner party, Kathy, actually. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best.

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Moving into the preview for next week's episode, I don't know if a preview for next week has ever given us quite so much content because, I mean, first of all, we have to talk about the 818 tequila of it all, because we see in this preview, it's like a split-second moment where they go to some bar in Aspen and Kathy tells everyone, she's like, they have my tequila here. Yay. And we hear Rina being like, oh, they do. Oh. And then Rina orders 818 tequila because she says it's my friend Kendall Jenner's tequila and I love hearing Kathy be like it's my friend Kendall Jenner Tequila I'm like yes that is that is exactly what I want that's why we're all here this is why we're here so your friend Kendall Jenner she's 30 years younger 40 years younger

than 30 yeah 30 I don't even know right that's ridiculous her friend like I'm sure right it's like say it's like it's Chris Jenner's daughter like I'm sucking up to Chris Jenner we all know who that is It's funny, though, because Kathy and Kyle are better friends with Chris Jenner than Lisa is. I know. So it's like, yeah, Kathy knows about Kendall Jenner, too. Yeah. My friend Kendall Jenner. Did you see Paris posted on Twitter?

Like, it was, this is what she did. Somebody, like a random Bravo person tweeted about Kathy and the tequila. She was so cute, all excited to show the ladies the tequila. and then Kyle just scoffs at her. None of them even acted slightly interested. It was so sad to watch. And then Paris Hilton quote tweeted, so unkind and put the like sad eyes emoji. Ooh.

You know it's, okay, you know it's real when Paris Hilton is commenting on something that happened on real housewives. Because I feel like she barely even paid. Like maybe she watches the show, but she doesn't really get involved. Right. But they definitely have like a family PR person who's saying like tune in now because this is you know or not even tune in like we need to be we need to be active on this because we need more reinforcements on your mom's side did you see you know how dion warwick is like great on twitter when she tweeted something the other day about and referenced something that happened

on her morning pop culture call and everybody's like what do i have to do to get on dion warwick's pop culture call like i feel like that the hilton family has one of those in the morning where it's like, okay, so tonight, mom's going to be having a big episode on Housewives. So Paris, if you can make sure to quote a tweet, maybe saying how Kyle was unkind, you know, and then also Kendall Jenner's name is going to be invoked. So we've got to push our tequila really hard. Right. Right.

Get them to be, you know, put those two in the same category. Now Costa del Sol is the new 818. I have to say, I've heard a lot of people talk about 818. I don't know much about Costa del Sol. You know, it's a newcomer on the market, maybe. Maybe. It's Costa del Sol. It's very, it's very much seems like a white person.

I don't know. I might be wrong about that. I mean, like, I don't think that's a stretch. Yeah, no. It sounds like, you know, whatever. I mean, we've come a long way from Denise Richards ordering her casemigos. Like, can we please just get back to that? Is Doree going to have it carcass out?

Is that how she's going to, she? Well, I don't know. That's usually the belvedere in the short class. Oh, right. Right. Sorry. I don't know if she's that particular with tequila. She could do tequila and limes carcass out.

Costa del Sol tequila. Three lemons. Yeah. She is, I mean, so what I think probably could have happened is like, does Paris do her own Twitter, all of it? No. No. I'm sure maybe someone even did that for her.

But it's funny that they plucked like a random comment out of obscurity, like a random Twitter user. And then. It is always funny when they do that one. It's like. Lucky Twitter user number 80543, 6. five. Either in that case, lucky because it was like favorable

to the Hilton's, but sometimes they'll pull like a troll and they'll quote tweet them and then it's like, oh, that person's mentions are going to be a shit show. Brutal. I wish you. I wish you a swift recovery from those mentions. Before we finish up, how are you feeling they're taping

their reunion, maybe even today, like definitely happening this week? What are your thoughts about going into this reunion, especially with everything that's happened off air? in the last couple weeks. I won't be surprised if Diana does not show up. I won't be surprised if one or more cast members,

strong arms, Bravo, legally into not bringing up certain questions. I, yeah, that's pretty much, I feel like Renna's maybe going to be off the show. She's not really been like a big part of,

yeah, of the show in recent episodes. So I don't know. I think, I think it's probably going to be, I don't know. They always have this way of like avoiding the real questions. And so I won't, I'm not going to get my hopes up too much.

Yeah, I was, I was talking yesterday about how a lot of people that aren't as online as you and I might be might not even really be aware of everything that's happened in the last couple weeks. And so I could see, I could easily see them hardly even bringing that up at the reunion. And from a network legal perspective, that might make their lives easier if they're like, we're just going to stick to the show. Yeah. No, I totally think it's going to be, I've learned not to get my hopes up anymore. Yeah. They're not going to ever show what, like, they're never going to go as far in what they're saying or what they're showing as they should. Because this isn't, you know, Roney or Potomac.

But Candace tweeted when the Potomac trailer dropped, she was like, I'm ready for the reunion. Andy, let's go. I'm like, Candace. You have like months before you're going to be filming that reunion. She's probably like rehearsing lines already. Like she has a note where she's like, like, like everything that she wants to tweet but knows she shouldn't is going in like the notes app. It's like, girl, this didn't even air yet. Why don't you see what they said about you behind your back before you're ready for the reunion? Yeah, you have some ammo to pick up. Right. But I mean, I would rather that, I would rather you be like too excited for the reunion than like barely wanting to go.

Well, their reunions are real. Like, the reason they're... Potomac women, the New York women, they're all... I mean, a lot of other, basically many other franchises other than Beverly Hills. Like, they're ready to go. They're not afraid to, like, show up and fight and say, like, the worst thing on their mind. Whereas, like, in Beverly Hills, like, they don't even... It's almost like there's a protective layer around the real questions that everyone's

wondering. Yeah, and I think the last time we really saw that crack in a major way was a couple seasons ago that virtual reunion when Denise was so over it and seeing her kind of like she had her soap opera lines in her hand. She's holding her shoes. Like she was ready to go. You know, that's kind of, it feels like with Beverly Hills, they're like, no, we do this like properly. Like we're. Right. Like they're like, this isn't a reality show as much as it's like.

like we're making a show together that is inscripted. Right, which I mean, I love it. Obviously. I mean, I have, I want, I want it to be better. Yeah. But also, I like that I can like sort of fill in some of the stuff with my imagination. That does make it interesting in its own way, too. Totally.

I think you can have it both ways. Yeah. It's Bravo. We can have it all. We can have it all. Yeah. It's not all diamonds and rosé, but it should be. I don't know why that's like in my head.

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