Mention It All - Everyone In Miami Needs A Raise Ft. Ryan Bailey (RHOM Reunion, RHOC, RHOSLC)

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Dylan is joined by fellow podcaster Ryan Bailey, who has lots of hot takes on all the current Housewives franchises. They discuss how OC is struggling with momentum this season, and why the Miami reboot is perfection. They also talk about how Jen Shah’s trial delay will affect season 3 of RHOSLC, and which franchises have the most balanced casts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, Bill. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast.

I am Dylan Hafer. And today, I am very excited to be joined by a fellow podcaster, a funny friend of mine, the host of So Bad It's Good with Ryan Bailey. Ryan Bailey, hello? How are you? Good. What's up, Mentioners? Mentionation.

Yeah, we don't have a, we don't have a, we don't have a, a fan a fan army name but mentioners I like that the all inners I don't know yeah any of those would be great actually the the the hafers I mean would we go personal do we use your name? It feels a little

it feels a little too close to home like because if my fans get out of control I don't want my name to be you know if the mention if the mentioners are getting canceled that's on them but if like the haferes are getting canceled that's my family the hayfer army is uh it's

Swifties and the Haferers are going to combat each other. Oh, my gosh. How are things going? I am so glad you're finally on the podcast. And on a day like today, we have a lot to talk about. We have Miami reunion happening. We have Orange County finally back after whatever scheduling nonsense they've been going through this season. It's strange.

I feel like Orange County has been off the air like every other week for the last month. And then, yeah, well, I mean, there is a certain thing. and I know we probably sound a little crazy when we say this, but there's a thing as rhythm in these shows. And it upsets the rhythm of you get into a storyline and then you have to take a week off and there's so many other options. So then you come back and you have to reintroduce yourself

to the feelings that you were hyped about two weeks ago. And those really do affect me. And actually, I'm one of the, I think, in the minority of people that really dig OC this season. Like, it's, I dig it. It's just weird. I like it. Okay, that's interesting because I feel like I am not disliking this season, but I don't know.

I do feel like they've had a little bit of trouble keeping that momentum. And I think part of it is with the scheduling, like, especially the storylines that I'm a little more on the fence of how much I care. It's like, wow, it feels like it's been a long time that we've been hearing that maybe Shannon could be jealous of Gina's friendship with Heather. And we come back to this episode. and it's like that seed has just really actually just been planted, and we're sort of talking about it for the first time. And it's like, no, but I've been talking about this for a month. And we see in the preview for next week that gets brought up again

when Heather and Gina are in New York. And Emily calls them over FaceTime going, guess what Shannon said about you, you know? So it really is the continuing, it's the Lucy Lucy Apple Juice in personification form, you know? Yes. And I'm like, when is, when is Noelle's, you know, counseling or whatever's happening. Like, it feels like all of these storylines are sort of happening in slow motion.

And maybe that's partially the way it's happening on the show. But I do think the scheduling makes a difference. I'm excited to see that in New York trip, though. I feel like we've been hearing about it for six years at this point. What? I totally, but there's also, I think there's a quality about OC that's very Stefford wives, very, and especially when you, that last scene with Terry and Jen and Ryan and all of their friends.

And they're like, Terry's like, ha ha ha, ha. It's like all fake laughter and we're going to teach you how to be in relationships. And which kind of wasn't, didn't that seem like a backdoor, like backdoor entrance to their pilot, their show, the seven year itch that they're doing on E?

Right. That Heather has decided she's sort of trying to take both Jen and Gina under her wing this season. She's like, okay, so I'm doing the closet clean out with Gina at two. And then at six, I have the Ryan and Jen coming and I'm going to fix their marriage. And I, I, it makes sense on an individual level, kind of why Heather is playing this

role with each of those women. But when you, when you realize that half of this episode was Heather working on her projects as in the other two women, it's like, oh, this is, this is actually taking up a lot of the air time. But Dylan, don't you think that's how exactly how they proposed it to Heather? You're going to be the matriarch. You're going to come in and you're going to do projects. They're going to listen to you, and Noella's the only thorn in her side.

The only unfortunate thing about Noella is she's frank and Noella. She's pieced together from all of these housewives over the last 16 years, and this is the culmination of that. And it's still, to me, rings somewhat false, Noella, like, but at the same time, I appreciate that she's like the only foil for Heather DeBro. Yeah, and it makes me wonder, what was Noella's game plan going into the season before all of the stuff with her marriage fell off the track? because it's like was she going was she coming in thinking yeah i'm going to go after heather all season long or did she still think that some of her other friends i.e. Bronwyn were going to be in the picture like you will never know because that's obviously not the way the cookie crumbled but it does kind of make you wonder if what would her potential be if she wasn't sort of sidetracked

with all of the personal life stuff she's had to deal with this season because i mean let's be honest, her divorce situation seems kind of wild, but the way that it's being portrayed on the show, it kind of is a little bit of an afterthought to me. Like, I don't feel like I'm getting more invested as the season goes along. I'm kind of like, yeah, sounds like he did her wrong. Yeah. Sounds like a divorce. Yeah, like that sounds. And well, the only interesting thing is that now it seems like potentially nobody will film with Noella. So we got whoever her. her friend was last night of like, yes, let's have a champagne moment. Yeah, let's do it chakouterie.

Like they had this scene of like, how did the mediation go? And she's like, it went really, it went good. And it was just, I love when they have to bring in somebody from the outside to do a scene with somebody that I assume they don't want to film with anymore. Right. Because for, I mean, it feels weird that there have only been like 11 episodes so far this season. But we've basically seen each woman in the cast sort of take their turn. at a one-on-one scene with Noella that kind of goes the same every time

because it's always... Yeah, so it's been... I haven't heard from James, but the forensic accountants have located him and you'll never guess where he is. It feels like this is kind of this, like, serialized plot that we're just checking in on a little bit every week because we can't ignore it.

But they haven't really made it the storyline of the group, which I think if you think about something like Erica's stuff on Beverly Hills last season, if it was just Erica sort of in her solo scenes being sad the whole season, it wouldn't have been the kind of must-see TV storyline that it was. It was the fact that every time the group was together, it became, we're going to talk about this, we're going to unpack this, there's going to be layers of tension surrounding it, and everybody has to kind of get involved. Whereas with Noella, it's like, Wow, it seems rough that Noella is still going through that over there, but I don't really want to talk about it that much.

Well, I mean, I think that's also because, you know, Erica Jane, we've had, you know, so many seasons with her. We, you know, we know, we know, even the Jen Shaw stuff, we don't really fully get invested in because she's in her second season. I mean, you know, now that she, now they pushed her court tape back and we're going to get a third season. So that gives us time to, like, fan her even, like, I guess fan girl over her a little bit more. she has the opportunity. But other than that, it's like, Noella, we're not invested because we don't even know who you are yet. Right. It would have been a lot, I think, better for her arc as a housewife if this divorce had happened in a season or two after she had been on the show. And so, you know, sweet James Bergener really could have done us all a favor by waiting a year to leave his wife.

He really screwed her by doing it the first season, which, I mean, and he comes on, and he says, like, And I love this. I wish there was a documentary on this that she's been trying to get on this show for years and years. And I want a documentary about that. I want, it seems like a beauty pageant almost. Like I always compare it to like SNL tryouts now where every comedian out there is trying out for SNL. And it's like every bizarre housewife like in any kind of city is after this job. Right.

If you see somebody doing like characters on TikTok, they would love to be on SNL. know that. It is funny. Like the idea, now that being a housewife is such a culturally ingrained thing, it's been around for a long time. There have been different sort of iterations of it. It really is a thing that people try and build their lives to be housewifable. I mean, Jennifer Aden did it too. I was just going to say, Jennifer Aiden, I think, is sort of the textbook example, that big-ass house, her whole, you know,

Chanel being a personality trait, all of that stuff. And I think that's part of why on Jersey, somebody like Margaret Joseph's sort of doesn't want to fuck with Jennifer because she's like, your whole thing is fake. Like, I don't want to even give you the satisfaction of treating all of this like it's authentic because that's not, I'm not going to pretend just so you can like feel your fantasy of being a housewife. Well, yeah, I mean, Jennifer, it always seems like like a bad improviser at times where she's like, okay, good, good, you threw that at me. Now I'm going to throw all of, I'm, I have this all built up. I'm going to throw it all at, you know, like even this week's episode was a perfect example at the house when, you know, it all got busted up after the conversation with Louie and Jennifer, like immediately went on Jackie of like, how dare you try to be my friend? And it was like, all of a sudden just word vomit out where it was like, girl, like, go, slow down. But I feel like she has that in her because she's ready to go. Yeah, she's in an interesting spot because the reason that Jackie's olive branch friendship to her was so meaningful was because she was kind of in a position of not having many people on her side. And so it's kind of funny that one week later, there's a blow up. And all of a sudden, Jennifer is like, yeah, fuck you two. I don't want your friendship. And it's like, okay, but actually you kind of, that was going to be helpful for you to have.

Well, that's what the other great thing about these shows now going so deep. We had so many seasons is that there is this survivor element to it. There is this big brother. There is a game element to it that it didn't start off like a game, but it now has become like chess pieces. Like we're going to need this relationship later. We're going to need. And people are genuinely, some of them are treating this like a game and they're playing it to its full effect. Yeah.

And I think you're right that it takes a while to build that up. And with Jersey having the exact same cast for four seasons now, whether or not these women are, you know, best friends outside the show, I don't really care because we've seen enough of the, you know, they've done the work on camera so that I don't have to believe that they're a real friend group because they have this history that I know on the show. Whereas something I think with Salt Lake has been a little bit of struggle. And I think OC this season two, it still feels like we've kind of all just been brought here together to do this show. And, you know, the maneuvering is happening. They're still putting in the work, I think, but it doesn't feel as, you know, it doesn't have the same kind of weight to it as it does with Jersey where I'm like, whether or not, whether or not Margaret and Jennifer are ever going to see each other when there's not a camera present, they've done enough, they've spent enough time together on the show. that it's like, yeah, this feels real. Yeah, yeah, no.

I mean, it's, uh, it's interesting too. And that's why I think a show like, uh, Miami is actually, is like going like gangbusters because to me that's like classic Coke. That's like, oh, okay, this is good. It's like, you know, we're dealing with relationships with women. We're, we're on a first season, but some are established from like eight years ago from, from, from the, you know, Miami. Like, for some reason, it really works.

And it's, it's kind of refreshing to see Miami as a, opposed to all of these other shows that we're watching now on actual Bravo. But the Peacock one for me, I don't know if you feel the same way. It's just, to me, it works. Yeah, I think they did an outstanding job with the casting for this reboot. Because I think obviously when they first announced it, it was always assumed that some of the women would be coming back that were on the first iteration of Miami. And there would probably be some new people. and obviously, even though Miami was only on for three seasons before,

there were quite a few people that were in and out of the cast. And so they could have gone in different directions with it. Bringing Larsa back was certainly a choice, one that I wasn't necessarily on board with when the news first came out because it seemed like kind of a ploy to get attention, that it's like, we know Larsa kind of has this platform aside from being a housewife. and so we know that it'll kind of get eyes on the show. And I think it could have gone really badly.

And lucky for them, Larsa Pippin came to play this season. And I think she did, you know, I think she kind of understood the assignment coming back. And I think she is never going to be the most forthcoming person. She's never going to want to talk about certain things as much as you might like her to. Are you talking about her ass implant? What ass implant? Ryan, that is natural curves. I am in, I.

Okay, so Ryan, you need to understand before she was, before she wasn't even 100 pounds. And now she's 140. Her entire body is different. She did, she did the nose. She did the lips. And she did the boobs a long time ago. But the ass. And then Adriana's like, the way, though, the way that it, the way that it hits your leg and your butt.

The way that it shapes around your butt and your legs. Like, I love for turning. It doesn't look human. It's so great. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders.

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You know, it feels like so much time has passed, but also nothing has changed in the best way possible. But you know what's great too is that with Larza especially I love that she's there because you know, she was season one and then we didn't get us here in the next two seasons of Miami. But if you look at her season one and her now, not even just looks, but even just in her whole life has changed. Like she is the personification of the Kardashianism of America. Like she is from where we saw her, which she was a, you know, a beautiful woman married to Scotty Pippen and, you know, but she is so different now. And to watch that change to be able to see that change, I think is so important. of it really or the yassification of Larsa.

You know, it's, we get to see this like, whoa, this is, this is a wild change. And she, you know, she's still her. She's still, but you see what time does. You see what surgeries do. Now somewhere like Alexia, she's really stayed the same. I mean, she's like a beautiful lady still, but I remember Alexia, you know, now is the same way as I remembered her back then. Right. And she hasn't, obviously, she's gone through a lot in her life with, you know,

she and Herman broke up and he died and now she's with Todd and man the Herman yeah I mean she she clearly has been on a journey the last 10 years but not in the same way of personal reinvention that Larsa has and I think that's kind of a fun juxtaposition because you have people like alexia and marisol who really have not changed fundamentally in the last 10 years you know marisol is always going to be the potsterer she's always going to be you know I know everyone in Miami and I'm going to tell it like it is. I am starting to see Mama Elsa a little bit more in her though. Do you know like with the age? You're like, oh, wow, I'm seeing Elsa. Right. Right. And I think watching that kind of dynamic paired up with somebody like Larsa, somebody like Nicole has been

really exciting because Nicole, you know, she's in her 30s. She's a lot younger. She's a lot. I think she just kind of has a different attitude about how stuff should be handled and about how some social situations work. And so, but at the same time, she's born and raised in Miami. She has the Cuban heritage too. She has, her family has been through a lot. The stuff with her dad is, you know, intense. And so it's like all of these women, I think, can really understand each other and relate

to each other. But at the same time, they're so different. And watching that kind of power, struggle, dynamic has been really great this season. Yeah. And I like it that. I mean, to bring it up again, but I like that it's not revolving around a crime. You know, like it's where there's not a, did they do it? I mean, maybe we'll get there in, you know, when the reboot gets the second season.

But it's kind of nice where it's like, oh, yeah, just used to be about women talking about each other's looks and the relationships with their families and dating and all of this stuff. And it's kind of nice to deal with some of that pettiness rather than the pettiness that comes with federal crimes. Right. I think there is a time and a place for both, but I definitely don't want every show all the time to be on a level like it is with Salt Lake where it feels like, how are we even supposed to talk about this half the time? It's like I keep saying it's like full on Twin Peaks. It's like I don't even know how to explain it to people when I explain it because none of the scene, it's like everybody's in their different show and the way that Jen Shaw ends up looking good by the end of this season. like blew my mind. Like I was like,

I thought the dumbest thing in the world for Jen Shaw to agree to do this. And then by the end, I was like, well, lucky her. She was on a season where everybody out crazyed her, her crime, you know,

like everybody out did that where Jen, I found myself laughing at what Jen was saying by the end. And I was like, oh my God. Like, I was fully, like, that's when the power of TV is amazing.

And she really played it well. But she also had all these people that were doing so much, uh, beside her, like Meredith and Mary and, and you know, Jenny. Yeah, Jenny. Jenny fumbled that bag so bad.

I just, I mean, some of the women on this show, it's like, I, you are on a show where one of the women has been indicted on these fraud charges for allegedly scamming elderly people. And she might go to prison for like 50 years. and at least two of the women in the cast have managed to make themselves look worse than her this season. And it's like, it is one of those things where it's like, obviously people have different personalities and, you know, not everyone is everyone's cup of tea. Like, I know a lot of people can't stand Lisa Barlow.

And to me, she is just brilliant television all the time. I got on the Lisa Barlow. I didn't like her the first season, really jumped on the Lisa Barlow train about halfway through the second season. and I really, I really love the energy she's bringing. Yeah, but Jen, I think you're exactly right this season. She, obviously, she's had her rough moments like the bus to Zion was, you know, that kind of side that we saw of her a lot in the first season. And why I think people were sort of gleeful when she got arrested almost because it was like, oh, this crazy bitch, like she is also literally evil.

But then you see her when she is kind of, I think when she's in a more comfortable setting or when she is not under that intense pressure, she's funny. She can be a really nice person. I think people in her life like her for real reasons. And watching her even on the reunion, it's like, yeah, she's like, I don't know, she's entertaining. She's fun to watch. A lot of people said great things about Bernie Madoff. Like, I mean, like, these people aren't, you know, nobody's like an evil super villain like we see in like movies. I mean, maybe Putin.

But other than that, there's not like, there's not like these evil. Like, Jen, of course, Jen also to do what Jen is accused of doing has to be one of the most charming. You have to be charming. You have to be relatable to be able to pull off what she did. And I think that's why it's so interesting the dynamic between her and the other ladies because Jen, even in that bus as I am, like she flung herself at Mary physically. and we're still, they're still scared of Mary. They're still, they're still scared of Jen, uh, Jen, I mean. They're still scared of her where they're playing Jen's game.

And that's why I was like, they need, they need a real big break from Jen to kind of snap the toxic relationship between all of those girls. Because whatever Jen has on Heather Gay, I will never understand in a million years. But they, she needs to go away and not talk to these ladies for a while to snap whatever power she has over them right now. Yeah, it's going to be, I'm, I'm curious. what production is kind of doing to regroup now that that trial is not happening until July, because I think everyone is just assuming that the plan was that it was going to be a major storyline in season three. They're filming right now, and it was supposed to start this month. So it'll be really fascinating to see kind of what they decide to do with the season arc, because I think there were some people, that were critical this season of why they weren't spending more time talking about what was going on with Jen. And then that trickled into social media. Like, I run a Bravo Instagram account and I've gotten comments and DMs and stuff.

They're like, why aren't you people posting about what Jen did? Like, you talk about Erica? And it's like, because there's nothing happening right now. There haven't been really. Stewart's getting sentenced today, I read. So we'll see what happens here. So since Stu took the plea. And then there were like some pretrial motions about not wanting the jurors to see the footage, whatever, that kind of stuff.

But there just hasn't been very much happening and that we've seen that on the show where it's like, yeah, there's actually kind of like more pressing issues. And then obviously down the road, we will be talking lots about Jen. But all of a sudden, that's probably not going to happen on season three. Unless they do some kind of, I don't know, time jump and wait and keep filming. but it's like that's going to be tricky. Well, I mean, I was wondering because we saw the ratings for this past season. It kept going down, down, down. A lot of people blamed Jenny.

A lot of people blamed like extended storylines. You know, everybody had their Monday morning quarterback reasons. But you got to say, though, if the ratings are going down, I personally love the show. I do love these ladies together. I mean, but how do you retool if the thing is to sell ads? How do you retool now when you did lose your plans? clock because I know it you're right they thought yo we have the gen thing that is money in the bank we got that but if you all of a sudden that gets taken away i mean is are we gonna do like heather's

Mormon thing again like are we what mary's gone we can't investigate her church what where are we going they have to have some other plan or i would love that's why i someday wish we would have a bravo documentary of what goes on in production and they they show it to us five years after the fact so it doesn't ruin any current plot lines but i want to to know those conversations that go on. Like, do they think about it less than we do? Because I feel like sometimes us, we're like thinking every angle. And the fans are thinking about it so many different ways.

And I wonder if production's thinking about it nearly as much as we are. Right. They're like, no, we literally just show up and film what happens. They're like, babe, sometimes there's just not that much of a storyline. I hope we get to see Jenshaw move again. What if she downgrades to a 2,000 square foot place? you know? I would like to see her make do in Gina's house. Oh my. See, there's always a good wife swap. Bravo wife swap would be amazing at a certain point.

That could be on Peacock. I know they're looking for content ideas that. I, we did finally get to see Heather DeBrow at Gina's house this week. And I, it didn't disappoint for me. By the way, Heather DeBrow, very kind about Gina's condo, very different than what we saw Shannon last season do. Very kind, brought over, you know, jackets to her try not. Like, didn't freak out about her crawl space, made a couple jokes that they were light and classy. I mean, Heather is, Heather's wild. Right. I think Heather made an astute, you know, observation that six kids sharing one bathroom is, in fact, a lot. They keep it so clean, though.

Dylan. She said they keep it so clean. You wouldn't even know. I know. You wouldn't even know. Yeah, it's, the house is immaculate. I would love to know how long Gina spent cleaning before the cameras showed up that day. Well, I want to know where she put the six kids. Were they in the closet? Did they get covered up with the clothes? Like, where are the six kids? She's like, Travis, I need you to get the kids out of the house for three hours. Heather Debrose coming over and I have to look put together. Yeah. I, I love seeing her the problem.

Tom dress though. She looks great. Gina, Gina's energy is great this season. I love Emily's energy this season too. I do think for all the gripes about kind of Osi being boring or slow this season, I do think the cast for the most part is kind of firing on all cylinders and I'm enjoying their dynamics with each other.

I don't mind it at all. In fact, it just, you know what I think it makes it worse, though, is that when you have the outside housewives, you know, you're always going to have the camera, Kelly. Vicky contingent, not only themselves saying we need to be back on the show, but you have the hardcore fans, you know, like a Christian and all, you know, they always just scream. Like, we need, you know, and it's like, I always think these shows, you know, these, no lady should be, you know, that's why I didn't agree with Bethany coming back to New York again if she's being considered because the show has to be the star.

Like, these ladies are a byproduct of the show, but the show is number one. And if somebody tries to rise above and become supreme, I think that's. That's not good for the overall show and we need to get the health of the show up first before we then let start, which I sound insane, Dylan. I said, we need to get the health of the show up and then we create stars. Yeah. Yeah, it's like we're in like a cabinet meeting deciding what the policy should be. This is our state of the union. And I believe the union is strong right now. Yeah, my state of the union on Tuesday was that New Jersey was on. So that's what that's what I was watching. Ready to soundtrack your summer with Red Bull Summer All Day Play.

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everybody has to pay respect to Teresa for everything that she's done and been on the show for so long and really carried it and shown us so much, but that it is an ensemble show and that it's not just about, even like for Teresa to say that it's the Teresa show or to call herself the goat, it's like, in a way, yeah, but also I don't understand. It's always been strange to me, people who watch these shows and don't actually like anyone other than like their favorite or don't enjoy watching anybody who's not their favorite. And it's like, then you're going to have like 46 minutes of show that isn't going to be very enjoyable to you. And I've always felt like I would rather, for the most part, just kind of vibe with everyone and just let it wash over me. I mean, kind of, yeah.

I mean, that's the thing. And I do, I do sometimes agree where like I think Teresa potentially has gotten, I mean, just give her the spin-off. already. Like, I don't know if she really belongs there because there is this, the hierarchy there of, like, this respect that needs to be given to Teresa. And then we, you know, we get like, Louis didn't sign up for this. And it's like, yeah, Louis did sign up for that. Like, Louis, you know, and, and this week, I thought it was very fascinating getting into the Louis stuff a little bit more of, like, I'm not intimidated by nothing. And, like, you got to listen tree. You got to, or I'm going to walk away. Like, she's like, you got to train her like a dog. Like, it's the only way she learns. It's the only way she learns.

And he's looking like the flipping Kool-Aid man, like just bright red. Like he was purple last week. He's red this week. I mean, those things are fascinating. But overall, I don't know if it will have, it'll work long term for the overall, like you said, group dynamic of that show to have somebody that, like Teresa, who's pointing out how upset they are when anybody asks anything about her life. Yeah. And I think tying it all back into Miami, I think that's one thing that was really strong this season. and with the cast is that it didn't really ever feel like there was one person kind of rising above the level of anybody else.

Of course, I feel like Alexia kind of has the, you know, center diamond energy a little bit in the cast. But I don't think it's in a way where she feels like she's better than everyone there. And even, you know, we had six housewives and three friends and it kind of felt like everybody, all nine of them were on an even playing field. maybe minus Kiki. But, you know, Marisol and Adriana were undoubtedly just as involved in the drama as a Gertie or a Julia. And I think that really benefited the show because it felt like we had the full toolkit there. And whichever pieces you took out, you were going to be able to put something together and make it work. Whereas I think when you have a show where they're, and I think OC is a little bit like this with Heather this season,

that when you have one person who kind of doesn't quite fit in with the full picture of the group and is kind of on a little bit of a pedestal, it's like it's hard for everything to feel as kind of natural flowing. Yeah, and I can see that's probably why, you know, as much as I love Leah Black, I can see why they didn't bring her back in a lot of ways, you know? Like, I think that is probably one of the things that got brought up too of like, you know, Leah would probably potentially try to be that person. And I think it might have outgrown Leah a little bit and they're looking to bring in,

you know, let's bring in new ladies. I thought, you know, so I totally understood. Now I understand why they did that. I am, yeah, I have to say I enjoyed Leah Black a lot on the show before, but I think I'm pretty glad that she wasn't on this season because I think as much as, as funny as she is as, I think as good of a person as she is and as messy as she can be. I just don't think she really would have gelled with the dynamic they were putting together this season. And I can't really imagine her really getting into it with somebody like Nicole or

even with, you know, like new Larsa and Lisa. Like I just, I just feel like the vibe has shifted a little bit. And I think she would have sucked a lot of the air out of the room. And I don't think they, I don't think they needed somebody like that this season. Yeah, no, exactly. I thought that was a in retrospect, you know, as much as I was bummed when I first heard it, I'm like, oh, yeah, that actually totally makes sense. And, and yeah, Leah's great. If you hear her on a podcast or her own show, like, she's always going to be funny, always opinionated.

But, yeah, it just wouldn't have worked in that dynamic that they had, you know, because I think we would have just gotten a lot of Jim Halpert office looks to the camera of like, who the F is this from Leah, you know? Right. She should be like, Gertie. Who the fuck is Gertie? Yeah, exactly. Like, what is that, a baby rattle?

Gertie? What? Yeah. No, I do think this season has been great. And I mean, the story that Julia told at the reunion about what happened with the nanny, her son that died, and then the father of her son that got shot by his girlfriend, that was truly so wild. And now I kind of want to know more. Like I, maybe season two, we can have a little bit of like searching for the nanny storyline. I mean, Julia, she's got, like, there's some real darkness. And you can tell by looking at her, she is war-torn. Like, that is an undercover beast. And I say that in the nice, like, she's a warrior. Like, that lady has seen some crap. And, like, I mean, when she looks at, there are certain looks that I see her, like, give where I'm just like, oh, my God, I would not. You know, and the way she keeps trying to come for Larza to protect Adriana cracks me up.

But I feel like that's the tip of the iceberg for her. I feel like she's going to keep unloading stories that are going to, you know, blow our hair back next season. Totally. And I think when I first saw her and Martina, I was like, okay, so Martina is, you know, older and she has this hot model wife. And that's kind of the visual that you get. But there's a lot more to Julia than just kind of the trophy wife type of thing.

And it's been, I think it's been fun this season to kind of unpack her layers a little bit more. And I agree that there's probably still a lot there. And her relationship with Adriana is just like such a mystery. And there is something very, I mean, and I don't mean this in a heterosexual kind of way, but there is something very exciting to the fact of like, Adriana gets a little older. And she's like, why not a lady? You know, like she loves me. She loves the real Adriana.

You know, like, I think there is something interesting to explore because that's what they keep hitting us over the head with of their relationship. But I, I kind of love that little Thelma and Louise vibe you get from them sometimes. Yeah. And it's, it's exciting to watch them kind of defend each other because so much of the time on housewives, we see friendships where it's like, is this just a friendship of convenience or do you actually, is this, how deep do these roots go in with them? you can totally tell that they really have that deep connection with each other. Whereas maybe we see there's a moment in the first part of the reunion where Larsa and Lisa are like backstage with each other. And they're kind of on different pages of how much Lisa should be sticking up for Larsa. And I kind of, I liked sort of the honesty of that moment where Lisa's like, I mean, if I don't agree with something that's being said, I'm happy to call it out.

but like, what do you want me to do? Like, I'm not going to fight your fights. Like, okay, they're talking about your only fans. Like, that's not my business. Well, but structurally also, I love that this was on peacock. So we did, I feel like that was definitely a decision to keep cutting away to like the breaks and stuff like that. And I, I always love that stuff. And it gave us the opportunity to see that multiple times on the first part.

And I, like, so I'm like, I got, I mean, I don't get paid by peacock, but I really have enjoyed every peacock thing I've seen so far. Yeah, I liked that this is a two-part reunion, but at least this first episode was like 55 minutes long. So there's a little bit of extra time in there to just kind of give us some breathing room, I think, and be able to put in more of those moments where if it was, if they had said it was two parts and it had to be 43 minutes to fit perfectly on Bravo, some of that stuff probably would have gotten left on the cutting room floor. Or we wouldn't have gotten the amazing moment of Andy just being like pissed off at Lisa for being late. and saying that she can't put on her jewelry. Yeah, we're, she's like, she's like, what, no jewelry? No, you don't want jewelry?

If you want the jewelry on your body, just put the fucking jewelry on your body. I don't care. Dude, I love you. By the way, we will see Andy at some point combust on a reunion. He will just, it'll be a big bang kind of a thing because you see, like, Andy is, I mean, he's just so funny. Like, he must just be so, just, his nerves have to be shot. Like, there's got to be a dissensitive, like, he's got to be decent.

sensitized completely. I mean, because it is hysterical what this man has to put up with on a now, like, it seems like every two months has to do one of these reunions, you know? Yeah. And then not to mention five times a week, he's doing Watch What Happens Live, which is sort of like a mini version, especially when there are housewives on the show, because it's just, it's always something. Well, I mean, I do, and I love the moment where Andy said he got bored over pandemic.

So he, he dabbled with Only fans. Like he, he, he, he. Bitch, bleak. By the way, I want to like, Andy, he was, well, how it worked. Like, he, he knew how it kind of worked because he got bored during pandemic, which I thought was a great tagline for only fans. Like, when you're bored during a pandemic, only fans. Yeah, like show of hands who on earth is surprised that Andy Cohen has spent money on only fans?

Like, okay, yeah, I assumed you know. But also the, I mean, that's what I would love to see some of those only fans' DMs of Andy. Like, come on, give it to me for free. Can I just get a pick? Like I want to, the back and forth I would love to see with some of these guys. Yeah, based on information that is out there in the ether, I feel like Andy Cohen's only fans following would be pretty interesting. But yeah, I do, I just like, Larsa explaining her whole deal with only fans and stuff

will always be so entertaining to me because I don't know how. much of it I believe, but at the same time, I don't really care when she's talking about, I mean, every time she implies that she could date a trucker from Minnesota, she should get a raise because it's like so ridiculous. But at the same time, I'm like, yeah, go go off. Get that money. I mean, there is something I did wonder too is that like the divorce wasn't finalized until the very end.

Could Scottie have asked for a 50% of her own? Only fans money? If she was making literally that much money doing only fans? Um, I have a feeling that there was like a cutoff date. Like, when you file, like when you file for divorced,

isn't there like, isn't it like from that point like your assets are separate? I have been, but I have not been in a Scotty Pippin type job ever. So I've never right. But, uh, yeah,

there is the date of separation, uh, that comes into play. But at the same time, time, it seems like Scotty has still been paying for her lifestyle even before that, or like even in the interim, uh, since the divorce has been announced. But Ryan, she earned that. She earned that.

She made, you guys, I earned it Andy. One million dollars a day on only fans. Larza makes one million dollars a day. And good for her. Yeah. Oh, God. And no, I, I never done nude. She's never done a nude shoot, you guys.

Never. She's like for a hundred million dollars. Maybe I would take a picture of my boobs. Okay. Sure. I love the desperation to with Adriana where that's like where her ears perk up of like, damn it, I would do that on only fans. Like you could do like, why did I know about this?

Yeah. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I don't think Adriana is meant to be on only fans. I just don't see it in the cards for her. No, I mean, but I love, but I love her. I think I would love another hit song from her. I mean, she really loved him. So don't know. does the Miami theme song.

Like, that's like I know. Can you? Bo. Da, do, do, do. Well, I, I'm excited to see part two of this reunion and the O.C. reunion they're going to tape soon. Andy, you know, tweeted out asking for questions.

But I'm so glad that you were able to come by and talk about both of these shows. Wait, wait, wait. Ryan, what was your thought on the very end with Ryan and the socks? Oh, God. I mean, and with Dr. Jan just getting tanked. Like, that to me was such an interesting scene because, you know, didn't have his dog as protection, which, by the way, very much kin and jiggie vibes with Ryan and the dog. And, uh, I mean, but like, I think there definitely is something more going on with Ryan in, in terms of like, just how his physical makeup is.

I think there is a little, you know, it's, it's beyond him just like, oh, he gets weird around people. I think there's an actual thing happening. Yes. And I think we're, we're getting a very specific part of the story that may or may not be, um, real. with that couple. I don't know how much you've paid attention to the legal stuff about Jen that's kind of been bubbling under the surface. But that was kind of going on some of these lawsuits and stuff at the same time that they were filming. And it really, it just, I feel like I have a very poor handle on the reality of their situation as a couple. And so I definitely was very entertained watching Jen, you know, lose her shit. at this party and, you know, watching all of Heather's stepward wife robot friends kind of, they're like, no, no, no, that's not, that's not how we do dinner. That's not how, that's not right. The darkest moment was when they finally leave and then Terry goes, nice people, but totally hopeless.

And then they all laugh. Like, they all shared this rich person laugh together where it was like, this is exactly how I picture rich people being after I leave a room, you know, like it was so dark. but also I just can't get past the fact that Dr. Jen has a cement leg. Like that's where I was like, what? She has a cement leg? Like that's, I'm totally fixated on if her, how much her leg weighs. Yeah, I, no, I mean, that scene was just, yeah, it was like a slow motion train wreck, really. And, you know, best of luck to Jen Ryan on whatever's going on there.

But by the way, wait, the last thing, but I think Dr. Jen, I love this episode because she got messy. and I think that does sometimes make a great housewife, and she's been criticized for really not bringing her A game or not being as extra as Noelle's been. And it's really nice to actually see, okay, like, hey, that's pretty fascinating to watch. Somebody get wasted at a party where they know they shouldn't get wasted and really not even realize.

I thought that was really interesting human behavior. Right. Like, let's, I hope we don't just not revisit what happened at that party. Like, I know Heather's busy going to New York next week or something, but, like, let's circle back to Dr. Jen getting hammered at the nice fancy dinner. Well, because you get the sense that Ryan won't say anything the next day. Like, Ryan was like, yeah, and then he was just talking to the driver like, hey, how much cardio do you do before you wake up in the morning? Like, it was just, like, they weren't even having a conversation. Like, I have a feeling Dr. Jen's going to wake up and not even realize something went wrong.

Exactly. She's going to be like, oh, I feel kind of hung over today. That's annoying. But I guess I have to go to work. Bye, Ryan. Put on a shirt. Well, Ryan, thank you. Ryan.

Are we doing Ryan or Ryan these days? R. Y, N.E. It's like an orange Rhine. Thank you. Okay. Just like the river. Thank you so much for coming. I'm glad we were finally able to make this happen.

I'm so excited. Thank you. And please, you have an open invite. Anytime you ever want to talk even more to come on my podcast. You are just a genius. so thanks for having me today. Amazing. And speaking of your podcast, remind everyone where they can listen to you and follow you and everything. Oh, yeah. It's so bad it's good with Ryan Bailey. We do a bunch of episodes during the week.

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