Mention It All - From Shah Squad To Shah Fraud (RHONJ)

Episode Date: April 1, 2021

Did you hear Jen Shah got arrested? Bari and Dylan kick off the episode with the latest legal updates, and share their initial reactions to hearing the explosive news. Then, they discuss what this means for RHOSLC season 2, and what Coach Shah might have known. Then, they recap this week’s RHONJ episode, which featured the biggest Gorga v. Giudice fight we’ve seen in years. They weigh in on Teresa’s apology to Evan and Jennifer’s fight with Margaret, and finish things off with their Grab The SkinnyPop moments. You can buy SkinnyPop at retailers nationwide, or go to the Shop Now page on skinnypop.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of the Mention It All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Roosevelt. Sorry, I was about to say Barry Roosevelt before you said your name. I didn't realize that you didn't say. If we, I mean, if you wanted to do it that way, of course we could. I just feel like we're in a really good rhythm. But welcome back everyone to another episode. It has been, it feels like it's been three years since we recorded because so much has happened.

A whirlwind of a week. A whirlwind. And of course, it was a day we weren't recording, which I'm happy about. Because usually whenever things like these happen, it happens five seconds after we stop. Yes. I, like, obviously, I wish we would have. been like right there on the Jen Shaw stuff, but I would rather have our time to get like our ducks in a row and, you know, we have some some more context now. Whereas if we were recording

and it's like, somebody said Jen Shaw was arrested. Like what's happening? We are on it. Now we are actually there. We're at the courthouse. Like we have everything. In case you didn't hear Jen Shaw was arrested, you might start with that. If you're listening to this podcast, I would assume that you have seen like 3,000 memes about Jen Shaw getting arrested. but let's let's just let's take we just say that one more time jen shah like the way jen shah was arrested or as i believe jennie pellegrino was saying shah rested which is the amount of shah puns like i i i think from shawfrod to shaw fraud is very funny that is funny but it's like leave it to anywhere anyone especially bravo community to just make memes the memes are

unreal on the internet even if you don't even watch the show they are like hilarious. Dylan was killing it on the Rob by Betcha's story. Like, oh my God, I was like, I kept sending that. All of us were, me and my friends were just sending them to each other. But let's get into it. Okay. So Jen was arrested on Tuesday and she's being charged with conspiracy to commit fraud

and money laundering. And she, along with Stewart, assistant number one. And so they apparently were, you know, allegedly running this scheme where, basically they would get people's information and like be scamming them and then would sell the people's information to other people that were going to scam them. And they would also make money from that. So it's and they would specifically prey on elderly people. So it's this whole alleged thing of like just, you know, basically finding these people that are easy to trick and then just like taking their money.

And this has apparently been going on since 2012. but then I was reading more. You never know what you believe, but I was reading more and more of like maybe the case isn't from 2012, but that's when it started. Like we don't know the details. Yeah, it sounds like the feds have been investigating this, you know, like ring of people since 2012,

but it's unclear kind of when Jen Shaw like specifically. Right. Became like the subject. So here's the thing about Jen. I believe we mentioned. mentioned it during the show when it was on that like just it didn't add up her lavish lifestyle just did not make sense to me personally I just I was it did I think it was what did I think what happened on Tuesday was going to come about no but something just didn't click like it

every time someone asked what she did for work it didn't make sense she rambled she just said she owned multiple businesses but can never ever say what they were something about the algorithm them. It was so weird. And then another thing is, would you go on reality television if you knew you were doing something that was like more than illegal? I mean, I think that's kind of the big, like, obviously aside from what's going to happen in the specific legal case, I think that's kind of the more philosophical question is like, why do these people do this stuff and then go on this public platform? They think they're not going to get caught. They think they're not going to get caught. And also, you know, maybe they think of it as a way to like legitimize what they have going on or like, you know, that they're kind of, you know, all of a sudden you're a celebrity. So like maybe you don't need to do the telemarketing scam anymore. I don't know. But I it is super interesting. We've seen this happen before. And I, so I actually virtually attended Jen's arraignment yesterday. And the, so she's being the cases in the Southern District Court of.

of New York. And so she was supposed to show up on this call and like enter a plea. So basically she's going to say not guilty. And she couldn't get into the call because there were too many people on the line. Because Dylan took her spot. Okay. But the crazy thing is Jen Shaw is like very like she's notable. Everybody clearly everyone listening to this podcast knows and is interested in what's going on.

And this call could only handle 250 people. And like, personally, I know like half a dozen people who are on this call. So it's like, all right. They need a better system. But yes, I agree. But here's the other thing. So they were filming Real House of Salt Lake City as this occurred. So they said that if you saw, if you went on the internet on Tuesday, I'm sure you saw this, that Jen had said she needed to leave.

It was an emergency. Her husband's in the hospital. So she left. And then five minutes after that is when the. Fed showed up and they said her husband is actually the one that called her and told her like she's about to get arrested. So they did continue filming, but I have a question for you. Do you think Coach Shaw knew about what was happening at all? I mean, I feel like that's like the million dollar question. I personally feel like it is, I saw someone make this comparison, which

kind of makes sense to me that they see it as a similar situation to Brooks's cancer thing and what Vicki knew and that like whether or not coach. So you were going to say Teresa and Joe. Oh, no. Like whether or not coach Shaw was like fully in on everything and like a willing co-conspirator or whatever, he hasn't been arrested. He hasn't been charged with anything. That it seems really unlikely that he would just be completely aware that there was something

nefarious going on. Yeah. And, you know, I'm sure he's aware of their family's finances. And so, like, if she was really making all this money allegedly from a fraudulent scam, like, would he really think that her job was just bringing in that amount of money and that it was all legit? Like, he would have to be pretty oblivious to, like, the actual details of what she did for a living. Mm-hmm. Which, I mean, maybe, I think it's the kind of thing where it really could go either way.

but in my heart of hearts, I feel like he probably knew something. I know. I don't know. This is really crazy. I feel like more and more is going to unfold, but we will see. I don't know.

I know Dylan and I talked about this yesterday, like, if she'll continue filming because, like, she's not charged with anything yet. I highly doubt she will. Wait, Jen? Yeah. Like, she's not in jail.

I mean, she's charged. I mean, she's been charged with crimes. I didn't mean not charge. She's not in jail so she can't, she can, she's like out free. But I don't think. I don't think Bravo's going to want to fuck with that. And also one thing that they brought up in the, in the arraignment that ended up getting postponed yesterday was that they want to propose changes to her bail conditions. Which is.

We don't, so we don't know what that means yet. But I had a bunch of people DMing that have like legal experience. And they were saying one likely thing that that. could mean is that they would put limitations on, like, her not being allowed to film. Yeah. I don't, because there's already, there's limitations. Like, she can't leave the state of Utah. I think they took her passport.

And, like, there's, like, limits on how much money she can transfer or, like, withdraw. Okay, but not, not for nothing. I don't want to see her filming. No offense. But, like, I felt that way before she was arrested. And now, now this is the cherry on top. I don't really care to see her. my screen.

Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like, I want to see like the, the situation unfold, but I don't want to see like Jen spinning the situation from her perspective of like, because you can just imagine her being like, these people are coming after me. Like, they're accusing me of all this stuff I did too. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want. steamy romances, irresistible love stories, and the book to screen favorites you've already read twice.

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Yeah, it brought back a lot of, like, triggering moments for if you're, if you've watched Jersey from the beginning. Like it is, they were in a dark place. Like it was bad. It took them years to get to where they are right now. So to see this fight erupt is an understatement. It was, it was wild. I mean, it was so interesting because so last episode, Teresa had been, you know, making these comments about how Joe and Melissa had been saying in the previous season that they thought Joe Judice was going to be, you know, basically trying to milk Teresa for all.

worth during the divorce and was going to be trying to get all her money. And she was like, you should apologize for that comment because he was a gentleman. He, you know, he really like didn't go after any of that. And so that kind of seemed like a random comment that we weren't really going to get that into. And then all of a sudden, after Teresa leaves the table, after the jail comment, Joe goes to find her and she's like, you know, fuck you. You haven't supported me. and Joe is like, wait, excuse me? And I feel like a switch flipped and all of a sudden it was about Joe Judice. And Joe Gorga just like, he got this like thing in his mind that Teresa was defending her ex-husband who had like ruined their family's life and all of this.

And it's interesting because we haven't seen Joe kind of talk about it. Joe Gorga talk about it that much in the last couple of years. but he has so much resentment for Joe Judas. Going back like 20 years, he thinks that Joe Judice is like the root of all of these problems in his family, which I think is probably a little bit of an oversimplification. But I don't disagree that, you know, Joe Judice did cause a lot of friction. Obviously, he was the one that kind of, I mean, he's the reason that Teresa went to jail.

And it was just so interesting to see Teresa. Teresa is kind of on this level where she's like, I just want to talk shit about Jackie. And all of a sudden, you're like bringing up this 20 years of drama. That fight went really left. And I feel like even Jackie was like, what's going on? Like, are they not screaming about me anymore? Like that was someone was like, what are they yelling about?

And I think Marga was like Joe Judeyce. But Joe Gorga has had, they have known each other basically their whole lives. And Joe Gorga has never really liked him. He only liked him because he was his sister. husband, like no other reason other than that. So he blames him, like you said, for a lot of things. And all of a sudden, yeah, like the fight just swerved. And like, Melissa got involved and obviously everyone, Melissa, I was like, why'd she do

that? She just like picked it up and threw it. But then, like, a queen that she is just went and started cleaning it back up because she reeled herself back in. But she, yeah, seeing them fight, it's so interesting because Teresa was sitting there with her jaw dropped because she doesn't respect anyone other than her brother. And she didn't say a word back, a word. I feel like Teresa, like, so much of these problems on the show are like kind of her doing.

But in that specific moment, I think she truly was like, what the fuck just happened? Like, I wasn't talking like, I wasn't out here like, I'm not defending everything Joe, my husband ever did. I'm just saying like in this specific case, you were wrong about what you said about him. Right. So let's reverse for one second because at the dinner is obviously all this all stemmed from the rumor that Joe B heard at Guy's Night. And so that's where he started off. And so the jail comment is really what stemmed from this because Teresa got mad that no one defended her. So here's what I have to say about that.

No matter what Teresa does. she'll always like bring it back to be like, why didn't you defend me? Like, but she'll never go back to like what she did. She always wonders why no one defended her like when someone else said something about her. So she just expects Joe and Melissa to be there for her. And to be honest, like we haven't seen Joe Melissa defend themselves like that in quite some time where they were like, no, you need to end this.

And I'm telling you, I wanted to count how many cast members, family members repeatedly told Teresa, end it. Apologize. That was painful to watch. Dolores and Frank were fully on that train. Even, you know, the thing is, it's the kind of thing where I totally get why in recent years, Joe and Melissa have kind of taken this track of like, just let Teresa do her thing. Like, it would be better if it's better if we don't have these issues. so we're just going to kind of like ride along whatever.

But in this situation, it's like, Teresa, like, did Jackie say the nicest thing to you? Of course not. Nobody, like, I don't think anybody would say, like, Jackie's comment was nice. That's what I said about the Gia comment in the past. I was like, was it nice? No. But Teresa is, like, completely unwilling until this episode to acknowledge that the reason this whole drama is happening is because of what she said at Evan's birthday party. And then she goes,

well, I didn't start the rumor. Yeah. And it's like, are you not getting it? It doesn't matter anymore. But you decided it. To be honest, it, I feel like the Joe B thing is kind of a diversion. Like, it doesn't really matter because we're clearly not going to have the conversation of is the rumor true. Like, that's just not something that we're really getting into on the show. I don't think. And I'm fine with that. So it's like, it doesn't matter if Joe B heard it. It doesn't matter if he said. it. Yeah, it was messy of Jennifer to tell Teresa in the first place. But like, at the end of the day, all that needed to happen was for Teresa to give that weak-ass apology to Evan. And let me tell you, it was a weak-ass apology, one of worse than most of Ramona Singer's apology. I don't think you

needed to reiterate that, Dylan. I really don't. I think everyone knows. But you know what? It was a terrible apology, but it was all they needed. She did it. Yes. It was all they needed. That was all. I hate to quote Siggy Flickr, but that's all I wanted. Oh, Lord. But she honestly, the fact that Teresa went right over to Jackie when she got there is another thing that everyone just needed. Like, and, and the thing is they weren't going to let anything happen that day until Teresa did. I feel like the whole house was behind Jackie, but like, like lightly because they were like, okay, let them talk, let them talk. Like they were not letting Teresa get away with this without it. But, um, I,

I was so glad to see that. It was like two grown adults. Yes. Just like never talk about it again. I love that. Jackie was like and then when Evan comes and Teresa was like, well, you know, I don't really want to. Jackie was like,

I'll be there too. How about that? Like she was like no, whatever. But I do. Teresa is like, do I have to. I know.

Like I do have to say they did. I'm not defending Teresa. Like obviously we know how I feel about Teresa. Like I don't think she's looking good this season. But she is still a great housewife. Like I'm, I love. Jackie, but she, she, um, did have a rough week. They were saying like her divorce, her house.

Like she was kind of just like dealing with it all at once. And it kind of like, she was, she just like let it all out at dinner. And I did feel bad because as much as Jackie was like, I'm not going to cry. I'm not going to cry. I feel like it all just happened very quickly. She felt very quick that everyone was, including her friends, were still talking about her. And she just like couldn't take it anymore to the. the point where she did break down. And that was really sad to see. Like, I felt that. Yeah. It's interesting. I've seen some people on Twitter kind of being like, Jackie is like, she wants to like talk a big game, but she's like such a mess or whatever. Or also people saying that the storyline has been dragged out,

which first of all, we're only seven episodes into the season. So I don't, it's not like it's been a whole season. It's not even really been a half a season. But I think the issue, the thing, like the reason, like the reason Jackie got so upset, and of course I'm like completely projecting this on her, but the way I see it, it's like she was fine when it was her versus Teresa. She wasn't like, Teresa is not the one really like making her upset. It's the fact that she just wants to, you know, say her piece and then be done with it. And it's like the whole group is still chattering about it. And, you know, Joe B and Margaret and Jennifer and everyone's just like, like yelling about this thing and she's the root of that. And she is just so frustrated.

And I think she probably had a ton of kind of pent up like tension inside of her before she went on this trip because she knew it was going to be this thing. And this was kind of her releasing it. And the next day, like when Teresa comes to talk to her, like we said, she got what she needed. She was ready to have a good time. Teresa's taken photos of them kissing on the boat. I know. I was like, no, no, too much.

Like, come on. That boat trip looked fun. Everybody's just laying in the sun. Honestly, it seemed like everything was pretty good until, of course, we get to dinner the next night. And as- We have to talk about Miss Jennifer. As the guys finally observe, meals really bring out the worst in them. They should just do activities and bring a protein bar.

And Joby, when they were like, wow, Margaret, I can hear Margaret from here. And they just pan to Jogah. She got, she has big, strong lungs. Okay, so this dinner, this dinner. Okay. So everybody's doing good. Teresa's talking about a dildo. You know, it releases the poison, let's helps her go to sleep. This was, you know, just a fun Jersey Shore evening. And then Jennifer just like has to take it back to that place. And she tells Marge that she's never seen her as mad at Joe as she was last night. Why? On Earth.

Earth. What you say that in front of, because here's when these type of situations happen. I picture like my parents, like at dinner and like one of their friends in front of a whole group, like I feel like that's just never happened. You don't do that. But we've seen in the past before,

Jennifer just like legitimately doesn't know how to act in front of a group of people. So it makes sense. But I just can't wrap my head around why. Like I don't, I don't get it. I don't have an answer. I do have to say earlier, Jennifer claimed she said that because no one told her not to. Like she needed someone to tell her not to as an adult.

I will say, as much as I was really like yelling at the TV in that moment, like Jennifer, why? This is what makes her a great housewife because she is 100% shameless. She is there to do a job. And I think she. But not at the expense of other people. I know, I know, I know. But I think she's one of those people where I feel like she is probably Productions Dream Housewife because you know that if somebody, if one of the producers

kind of like pulls her aside and it's like, hey, so like how are you feeling about what happened last night? Like that was crazy with Marge and Joe, right? And she's like, yeah, like I've never seen her as mad at him as she was last night. And the producer's like, Go on, Jennifer, now go say that. Go ahead. I mean, like, I agree. Like, maybe you should bring that up.

And she's like, yeah, you're right. I should. And then like, you know, you just know that she is, I don't think she's a production puppet, but I think she's probably very easily suggestible to do this stuff. So here's the annoying part about that specifically is that after they did get into a little heated argument the night before Margaret and Jen, but they made up right.

So that was annoying that like she brought it back up because it was dead it already. So like why that's where your hypothetical situation just now might be real. Yeah. Because she said sorry, you were interrupting. You know, like they kind of like cleared the air. And then Jennifer was like, hmm, where can I come into play? It's the classic housewives trip thing of like, okay, the drama is done. We're just going to enjoy the trip.

Right? Right. And then of course. I was texting my sister-in-law, which is ironic because there's just sister-in-laws in the show. but we were texting last night and it's like, I'm exhausted. I get exhausted watching Jersey because there hasn't been a scene, a meal, a trip without the cast without them fighting. But it's not like the fighting where you're like,

oh my God, I can't take this anymore. It's the type of fighting where you need to brace yourself. Well, and this was, I liked this, the end of this episode because actually the beginning and the end, because we saw some conflicts between. people that we haven't really gotten into yet this season. We hadn't had like the the gorga of it all. We hadn't really had that yet. And we haven't seen Marge and Jennifer get into it really yet this season very much.

And so this was, it was kind of exciting. And I think both of them were hitting below the belt. I mean, yeah. Okay. So I think it is, I think it is 100% acceptable for Marge to say that Jen is a sloppy drunk. I think that is true. We have seen it. And Jen seems to think that's the same as being called an alcoholic, which it's not. It's not. And she's like trying to bring up more fights. Yeah. So then Jen's reaction to that is to say that Margaret is sloppy because she slept with her boss 20

years ago and he was an older man. And that, I mean, that is definitely a very uncool thing to say. Margaret is talking about how she shared that with the group in a moment of vulnerability and how it was this power dynamic that she didn't see. Basically, she sees herself as a victim in that situation. And so it's really, you know, unfair of Jen to sort of throw it in her face like that because it's not sloppy. It's something that she did that she's maybe not proud of, but there's a difference between that.

but then Margaret goes to the meal ticket thing and says that Bill is Jen's sugar daddy and it calls her a concubine, which is just like Margaret, why? Margaret should have stopped the day earlier when she just called Jennifer a douchebag. Like that was funny. And that was just so typical Margaret. And that's when I enjoy because like just Margaret in general is just hilarious, like the way she says things, how she says things. but yeah the two of them i don't see them margaret and jennifer are like teresa and jackie they're not friends they don't have anything

it's exactly what it is and like going back to jackie and teresa they don't have to be friends that's delores made that very clear just be night just be cordial you don't have to be friends but like and they're the kind of people where you can tell like a lot of these friend groups it's like you can see certain of them being friends but it's like margaret and jennifer would not be friends outside of the context of this show. They don't have anything in common.

They're not in the same age group. They clearly don't think highly of each other. You know, it's just one of those things where it's like, damn, they both just have a lot of anger toward each other. And I think, but I think for Jen, it's more of a fun. She's having fun with it, whereas Margaret, I think is more hurt. Like, totally. Because if you look like, I mean, this sleeping with her boss thing, Margaret clearly feels very raw and kind of emotional about that.

And like it's this big thing that happened in her life. Whereas Jen's on Twitter like, I have five kids. I hope I should get a meal from my husband. Yeah. That's just, that's each of their ways of dealing with arguments of people. And we love to see it.

Okay. Barry, what is your grab the skinny pop moment of the day? Because there were definitely some options from this episode. This episode had was filled. And if you, if you missed our episode on Monday, we are doing the grab the skinny pop moment of the day every episode because endless entertainment calls for endless popcorn. And luckily, every kernel of skinny pop is so light, crunchy and delicious that we can eat it by the handful or even the bagful.

So what was the moment that made you grab the skinny pop? We need to know. I mean, we love to see an old school Gorga Jude Ice argument. So as much as it pains me to see them fight, it was definitely. a jaw-dropping scene and I needed an entire carton of skinny pop for that.

And you know, I just got to bring attention to it one more time where Melissa throws the cheese platter and then just goes and starts cleaning it up again because you... If that were skinny pop, I would have been mad if she threw the skinny pop.

You can't, you just, skinny pop's just something. You just can't like waste. Even when I drop a kernel, I go, I do pick it up and I eat it. A second rule. Yes. Okay.

My grab the skinny pop moment is like a little different direction. Mine has to be Teresa's apology to Evan for like, just because that moment, I just ate it right up when she was like, I'm sorry, you know, for everything that happened. It's like, I never, I never wanted to hurt you. You know, you know, we, that's what we love about Teresa. But that, those are today's grab the skinny pop moments and you can grab skinny pop yourself at retailers nationwide or go to the shop now page on skinny pop. And also, don't forget to subscribe to our brand new Mentioned It All newsletter, which is also presented by Skinny Pop.

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