Mention It All - From TomTom To Top Chef Ft. Dawn Burrell

Episode Date: March 13, 2023

It’s a new week, and Dylan kicks off the proceedings with a salute to Heather Dubrow’s parenting. Then, he runs through the #Scandoval updates, including Peter’s underwhelming podcast appearance and Schwartz’s puzzling paparazzi comments. Later, he’s joined by Top Chef’s Dawn Burrell, who discusses her journey from Olympian to culinary all-star. She also unpacks why Top Chef is one of the most stressful experiences of her life, and what it was like to join the global experience of this season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast I am Dylan Hafer And happy Monday I am here with sort of a mixed bag of an episode We've got a bunch of stuff

going on later on in the show I have an interview With Top Chef International All-Star contestant Don Borell. Don, a favorite of mine from Top Chef Portland, is back for this season competing with All-Stars from Around the Globe in London. And I loved getting to sit down with her and chat about the new season, about her experience on the show, about being someone who cooks, which is, you know, not something I'm too familiar with, but we had a great chat. So stick around,

listen to that if you are a Top Chef fan. And also, if you're a Top Chef fan, I recapped the premiere episode on Friday. So if you haven't listened to that, it is 15 minutes or so of me just kind of spiraling about everything that's happening on Top Chef. So, you know, make of that what you will. But you guys liked the Top Chef Mini Solo Recap episodes last season. So we are back. I will be doing those every Friday, you know, unless all hell breaks loose or something, but for now, every Friday. But before we get into my interview with Dawn, we have some updates to go over, some little lingering scandal of all stuff. But first, I want to shout out Heather Dubrow. Because Heather DeBrow is someone who, look, she's polarizing on Real Houseways of Orange County. I accept that.

I like her more than I don't like her on the show. But, one thing that you cannot take away from her in my eyes is that she is a fucking good mom. She is the mom of four kids and, you know, she made news earlier this month when she posted for International Sun's Day about her youngest son, Ace. If you're not familiar really with Heather's family, she has four kids and this post essentially is confirming that her youngest kid is trans, which, you know, we didn't know before. They have a new season coming out. The trailer is seemingly missing in action, maybe this week.

But when I saw this post, first of all, I, you know, love to see supportive parenting. These things are important. Trans people's rights are being taken away every day. It's always great to see someone in a position like this, you know, speaking out, being supportive. But the thing is, there is also, there's an important question of timing here. And people are, you know, quick to come for her to say, your kid's only 12. Why are you posting about this? Why are you sharing this?

This is, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she addressed this on her podcast. You know, they've lived their life in the public eye. Her kids have been in the public eye since they were extremely little. And so things are going to come out. People are going to see things. People are going to interpret things. And at a certain point, you've got to just establish the narrative yourself.

And I think the same people who are coming for Heather and saying they don't understand why this is anybody's business or that she shouldn't be posting about it or sharing about it or whatever are the exact same miserable people who, if they put out the trailer for Orange County season 17, I think, and you catch a glimpse of Heather's kids. And one of them looks a little different than last time you saw them. They're the same people who are going to fire up Twitter.com and say something. ignorant bullshit about Heather's kids. It's a one-to-one Venn diagram for me that these same people that are like, Heather, nobody wants to hear about this, would also be like, Heather, why does your kid have short hair or whatever? So I salute Heather for handling this. I think the best anyone really could. It's a complicated situation. And I think she's handling it with Grace. And I posted on Bravo by Betches, a clip from her podcast where she's talking about how her number one thing in life

is supporting her kids, making sure they're okay, and that she also wants to help everyone else do the same for their kids. And I just think Heather DeBrow, parenting legend, total ally, and we need more of those. So props to Heather, thank you. Keep doing what you're doing. the haters are the haters are not worth it now we got to talk about Scandival over the weekend

you know things are things are simmering down since the episode of Vanderpump rules last week where Tom is like oh you know like Ariana's my girl I gotta be there for her oh bad taste in my mouth Raquel put out her second statement whatever these people seem to have kind of you know, gotten sick of the bullshit. So now we're hearing from some more secondary characters.

Peter, Peter Magical, of, you know, always being at Sir or Fame. He went on the Behind the Velvet Rope podcast to talk about the Scandival because, you know, why not? If everybody else can get on their own podcast, why can't he go on somebody else's? And he said that he saw signs that something was going on between Tom and Raquel, but he chose to ignore those. signs because he didn't think that Sandoval was capable of that. And, you know, he didn't believe it. He didn't think it was real. He thought his eyes were deceiving him. He also declined to get into details of what it actually meant when he said he saw signs. Like, were they, did you see them kiss? Did you see them holding hands? Did you see them sharing a flirtatious glance? Like, Peter.

The thing about Peter is that he has been in this general orbit for so many years, yet has never actually elevated to the level of being involved in the game. He doesn't, you know, he attends every game, but he's never on the field. He's been sitting on the bench for a fucking decade. And my guy, if you are going to go on a podcast, to talk about Skendival. And your whole point of interest is, hey, I was in the room where it happens. I was in the team locker room.

You know, they didn't give me a uniform yet, but, you know, I was there, right? Babe, the only reason I would be listening to that podcast episode is for you to spill the tea. So for him to say, you know, I saw things that made me wonder. I'm not going to tell you what those things were. But, you know, I was wondering, like, that is the only reason I'm listening. What were the signs? Be specific. Why do you think we care about you? We don't, we don't really. All love to Peter or whatever, but he did say that he was disappointed in Tom Sandoval. Of Raquel, though, this is a direct quote. He said, I thought she was a good person, but then again, I hardly knew her.

Yeah. I mean, Raquel really seems to be the one kind of on the losing end here, just because I feel like this situation is just illustrating that Raquel is not anyone in this group's number one person. With Tom Sandoval, you know, is the general public going to be on his side? No, certainly not. Are the women in the group going to give him the time of day? I hope not. But, you know, he still has Schwartz. They're still in business together.

Honestly, Lisa is not even being that harsh on him. Things are going to be okay for Tom Sandval. It might not be pleasant, but, you know, he's fine. He's going to stick around. He still has the restaurants. Whatever. Raquel, it's like, okay, so, unless she stays with Sandoval, Let's just, that's a separate thing.

But it's like, Ariana's never going to give her the time of day again. Katie hates her. Lala hates her. Sheena allegedly maybe punched her. We don't know. But either way, she should hate her. Kristen Doty came back on the show because she hates her. James doesn't like her.

Tom Schwartz, if he knows what's good for him, will stay the fuck away from her. Peter is now saying I barely even knew her after looking like a guy. goddamn puppy dog on the whole season. Raquel has no one. She's reportedly left L.A. She's, you know, I don't know, sheltering in place in wherever the fuck her parents live. Raquel is really the loser here. And I don't mean like, she's a loser, which like, debatable. She just is losing. And, you know, I don't know what she thought was going to happen. That is the big question still. It's like, what did any of these people think was going to happen? We did get to hear from Tom Schwartz over the weekend because he was stopped by a paparato at LAX.

I go back and forth on whether I think this was staged in any way. It's a video from Backgrid, who are known to be kind of like on speed dial from some people in Hollywood. But he gets stopped by this guy. They talk for two full minutes at the airport. And I just have to say, I have never been at the airport and felt like if somebody came up to me about anything, that I had two full minutes. to stop and chat with them. I've, you know, I've said hi to people at the airport. I've stopped for a photo.

You know, I've met people. I've given a direction here and there. Never in my life would I stop for two goddamn minutes and talk to someone at the airport, let alone with a camera in my face if I wasn't expecting it. But, you know, maybe Schwartz is built different. But anyway, they get to talking about the Scandibald. Tom Schwartz says of Tom Sandibal, quote, he has a sense of profound sadness.

He feels like a piece of shit, and to some extent, maybe he is. Profound sadness is such an interesting way to describe this, because it just, my question, hearing that, is like, what is Tom Sandoval sad about? Is he sad that people are being mean to him on social media? is he sad that maybe Schwartz and Sandy's is going to have a bad Yelp rating? Because I don't see how as a fully cognitively functioning 40-year-old man who made the decision to fuck his life partner's good friend for seven or so months, behind her back and then only came clean about it when she found out that he doesn't get to be sad about that like Ariana should be sad well I mean she should I hope she's not sad but like

she's the one who gets to be sad what is Tom Sandival sad about that he was a dummy that he was like a idiot clown and now he has to deal with the consequences I I don't want to hear about how he's profoundly sad. I don't know. That was lame to me. Tom Schwartz said that he hopes Ariana is living the good life and that the whole thing blows over. Like, Tom Schwartz, I guess I should not expect anything eloquent or particularly wise coming from him. But just like the way he's speaking about this to this random man with a camera in LAX is like, did you not think about this at all?

he hasn't posted a statement this is the first time he's spoken publicly about any of this and it's like you didn't have anything better kind of like in the back of your head than like i hope ariana's living the good life why would she be living the good life right now i mean to be fair she was in mexico this weekend for a friend's wedding there were also paparazzi photos of her she looked like she was having fun. I hope she was. But like, that doesn't mean she's living the good life. The man she dated for nine years fucking like ripped everything to shreds. Why would she be living the good life? Talk to your friend, Tom Sandoval, who's profoundly sad about why he isn't letting Ariana live the good life. I don't know. It also is so weird now that they're just like

paparazzi following these people around. Like the fact that we have photos of Ariana at this wedding in Mexico, like dancing. It's strange. It's strange. I know this is a big story, but it still feels like it's ours. And then you see like a TMZ video of Tom Schwartz in the airport and you're like, no, no, no. That's mine. That's my thing. Stopped. Get away from it. Tom Schwartz also said, this is the last thing, that he prefers not to discuss whether he knew about the situation in advance. Okay, sure. That we'll see it play out on the show. And quote, it's fucking complicated, but he did deny that his situation ship with Raquel was him participating in a cover-up.

Okay. Maybe. Whatever. I feel like Tom Schwartz at the end of this, it's like he looks like a dummy, just like we kind of always knew he was. But I almost, I don't have like the energy or the like give a fuckness. to actually be angry at him, I just think he's, like, kind of silly. He's, like, unsurious as a person.

So it's a little bit, like, why would I devote my time and attention and energy to, like, dragging Schwartz, which I guess I have for the last five minutes, sort of. But, you know, we'll see how it all shakes out. LVP was at the Oscars. I don't, I don't know. The rest of the ladies were just to. the Elton John party. LVP was at the actual fucking Oscars, which good for her. I don't know why she was there, but Fanderpump rules. It's the moment. Anyway, thanks for listening,

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And now you are a global All-Star. How does that feel? That's crazy that you say that way. It feels exciting. More exciting when you say it like that. In fact, wow. I loved your season of Top Chef in Portland so much. And I was excited to hear that you would be back.

What was it like returning for a second time? and obviously on such a different stage going abroad, being with chefs from all over the world. It was, it was, wow. I mean, it was definitely a different beast. It was, you know, it was different for a number of ways because, you know, we're in London and, you know, and then the competitors came from a completely different backgrounds and cultures. So that made it like really, really interesting. I want to go back in time a little bit.

I don't know if everybody listening knows, but you had a whole different career going before you were in the culinary world. You were, you had an athletics career. You went to the Olympics in 2000. Did you always know that you were interested in food, that that's something you wanted to do kind of after the athletics piece was done? I did not know that. But I knew that, you know, food is very important to, you know, to my family and my culture.

And I always look forward to eating with my family and look forward to what my, you know, my aunts and my grandmother would make. And I just knew how important it was to me. And it wasn't until I stopped competing professionally that. I was able to kind of hone skills, you know, some cooking skills and dealt deeper into that, into that interest. So when did you kind of, how quickly did you become really serious about it? Because obviously on Top Chef, everybody's competing at this high level. It's a lot more than just I like to cook. For sure. Yeah. So exactly that. So I noticed that my interest aligned in food as I was competing but I didn't know I had no idea I wanted to to cook professionally until after I

retired and and so I went to culinary school um you know after I you know kind of you know silence like the athlete my athletic um desires I was able to better um understand what what other things I like to do because you know that's a being uh for me being a professional athlete was all all consuming and so you know everything that I did did in life was geared toward that. And so there was not a lot of time to devote to other outside interests, only aside from meeting my need, which was to eat. I didn't really delve deeply into it until I acted my career. Top Chef always is so exciting to me because it has that competition aspect, but everybody there is such an expert working at such a high level. It seems like a

natural fit to kind of channel that competitive energy of being an athlete into something like food? Well, certainly, but, you know, I think that the comparisons lie more on, like, you know, what it takes to perform on a high level or compete at that level, which is like, you know, the, you know, the diligence, discipline, and determination to hone your skills. and learn what you need to learn to be excellent. These are things that parallel well with the two, with the two nine positions. When you did Top Chef for the first time,

it was in the middle of the pandemic. I thought they did a great job of kind of crafting that season around those parameters with the pandemic. How did that process work for you getting onto the show the first time? It had always been a dream of mine to be on the show. So I would always check. periodically the Bravo website to see if

their top chef is casting you know that type of thing but this but that year I was I was I was contacted and I was really excited to do that to be a part of the process and that was stalled up in that way to reapply yeah I mean there have been so many talented

people on the show so I imagine it's a goal for a lot of people working in the culinary world so that does seem super exciting to get reached out to. Yeah, it was really exciting. Did you feel like with Top Chef the challenges are so widely variable? There's so many different things. Is there a way to prepare for the show aside from just your regular skills that you already have that you've worked on? I would say no.

There's no way really to do that. I mean, you can create your own challenges and try to. promote that, you know, that scenario where, you know, anything can happen. You have to be ready for anything. You can practice for that. But no, not that I can think of. I think that and that's the reason why I tell people that it's one of the hardest things I've ever done, even harder than being an Olympian, because, you know, my process for training

as an athlete was to, you know, regimented and progressive. So, you know, each week built on the last week, you know, doing the same thing, becoming an expert at that one thing. But, you know, and then knowing that the challenge would be to exercise these things that you've been working on, you know, for these past few years to bring it all together and the goal will be an excellent jump. Well, in Top Chef, you don't know what's happening. You don't know how to train for it.

So the only training that you could have had was your past experiences and kitchens and working diligently with people and learning your disciplines and being comfortable on your skin and knowing your style. That's the only way that you can really prepare yourself. Right. If Tom comes in and tells you to use an ingredient you've never seen before, there's no way to prepare for that. Exactly.

What do you do with that? And not to mention, I mean, the timing. on Top Chef is always such a fraught thing. And I know that you, you in particular have had your struggles with the timing. I mean, just as a viewer, I can't imagine. Yeah. I mean, you know, my major issue, first of all, I've never been, you know, excellent at time and time management. It's something I work diligently toward every day. But the issue was not necessarily that as a top chef contestant. It was more about editing for me. just, you know, had to learn how to edit myself better, learn to reduce the amount of touches

on the plate, learn when the idea or the adage that less is more is truly, is truly valid. You know, and so I have, I've had to train myself in that way to become better at the things you see reflected on TV. Yeah. I mean, obviously you can't be putting something super basic out on the place. late, but at the end of the day, also, it's, there is that balance. Yeah, you have to find the balance. And, you know, and it was that, I mean, I think that if I left Top Chef with nothing

else, I learned how to, how to edit myself, you know, and I learned. And I received some very good advice from some former contestants that just told me that, like, to be confident, they told me to be confident in my style and to edit myself. so that I can, so that I can, you know, get everything on the plate unless it's more. And they were right. So good. So good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off.

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the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. So your season, the first time around, was in Portland. And then the next season after that was in Houston where you're based. Was there any part of you that was like, oh, I wish I had been on the Houston season? Oh, there were all the parts of me that wished that. Honestly. Like, I was like, man, not that I was ungrateful. I mean, I was happy. You know, I love the cast, the chefs that we were, that I was competing against. And, you know, that dynamic could probably never be reproduced. But yeah, to be, to be in my city, cooking for the people of my city, reflecting my city, it's like,

that was, like, that's the only thing that I'm jealous about when it comes to Evelyn. But, you know, she's my girl. Yeah, it was, it was really cool to watch throughout the season, her kind of have that feeling of pride in her city, but also it was an added pressure having to perform and be on that stage. Right. It's true. But it's also added pressure that I tend to thrive under that makes sense.

I perform really well under that pressure. and I think that that would have been good fuel for me. It was great to see you. You got to be a guest judge. You were around for a few episodes of the season. How cool was that to get kind of asked to come back so quickly? It was incredibly surprising and it was such an honor. And that was honestly the way that,

You know, that that allowed me to feel really good about not being on season 19. You know, I was like, okay, well, I get to be a part of it in some way and help, you know, and kind of help, you know, big up my city, so to speak. And that was really exciting to be invited back and appreciated. It made me feel appreciated by the network as well, you know, because they invited me so many times to be a part of it. Yeah, I think they always do such a good job of incorporating past. contestants and, you know, different cultures and so many different types of challenges, as a viewer, it really feels rewarding to see them kind of incorporating so many things.

And I love that they do that. Yeah. They do a great job at reflecting the city, bringing us back. And we're truly family. You know, they definitely reach out and include you whenever they can. And it's always very nice to have that sort of publicity and that, and that, and that relationship. Absolutely. So when did this idea of this international All-Stars show, when did you first hear about it? Did you know that you were being considered? How did that work? No, I did not know I was

being considered. I was, I received a phone call maybe a month and a half before, before shooting, maybe. and I was trying to, I immediately said no because I didn't, I didn't think that it would be good timing for us in the restaurant group. I thought that we would be further along with the restaurant. And I felt that I needed to be in place in Houston. But after speaking to my business partner and the landlords and all that, everyone agreed that it would be a good opportunity and a great, it would be a good challenge for me and a great opportunity for everyone if I if I if I competed with me. Yeah, I mean, there isn't another opportunity quite like doing a show like this, but at the same time

I can see why it's difficult to leave, you know, what you're working on every day and go compete in a different country. It feels so like such a big leap to make. Right. I would say it was a huge leap. I did not anticipate having to ready myself mentally for such a competition. And, you know, but I did feel the drive and the need to compete again, you know, as a true competitor, like, okay, if I haven't won, then, you know, then let's go and do better. You know, that was my idea behind competing again.

Like, I'm ready for it. I believe I can do it. So why not? And the only reasons were because of, you know, because of the restaurants and the group and, you know, having systems in place while I was gone. I wasn't going to be able to. I didn't think I'd be able to get those together in time. So that's why I said no at first. Yeah.

I'm curious, going into it the second time, obviously it was different and the timeline was different. Do you feel like you had a. different mindset approaching the competition than your first time around? I think so. I think I had a different mindset. I don't think that there was any less pressure that I felt. But because I know the weight, I have a clear understanding of what the way the competition is, right? I just was my, I think maybe my resilience. I was, I don't know, maybe mentally I was in a different place, but I don't know. I definitely felt a little bit different, but I can't say if it was negative or possible.

I think there's, I mean, obviously I have not competed on Top Chef, but I imagine maybe it feels a little different. It's not the first time that Padma and Tom and Gail have tasted your food. It's not the first time that you've, you know, gotten a challenge like that, that just kind of having the experience of doing it before makes you feel a little bit less uneasy about the whole situation. Yeah, from the perspective of being familiar with what I'm getting into, yes. But there's no, again, it's a new, it's a new game because it's a new city, right? And so the challenges it will be different. And I can't really, I can't really set my, set any expectations of what they

might be or how they might play out or, you know, or what, you know, what, what, what the details of each, I mean, competition would be. Like, I don't know. So, so the pressure for me was, was this, was, was, uh, the same. Yeah, that makes sense that it's, it's still just as unexpected, even if you kind of know, uh, you know, how the process works. Yeah. I have, I have a window. Yeah, I had a window in, but I've never, I still never been in the house before. So, yeah. You said in the premiere that you felt like last time on Portland, it took you a few challenges to kind of work your way into the competition. How do you, you know, you went in with that in your mind.

Did you, do you feel like you were able to kind of get around that this time? No, I don't. Because I'm slow to warm up. I think that that is, um, That's just how I am. You know, if I, it's like being a little bit rusty, haven't done something in a long time. And, you know, I have to reactivate those, my quick thinking skills. I have to, I have to slowly work my way into working faster, you know, at a process.

And, you know, and also trusting myself, you know, I had to, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I require that time to kind of get comfortable in my skin in a scenario. And so in that way, I, you know, I competed the exact same way. Can you just tell me, obviously, this season is just getting underway. Just tell me, how does it feel to know that you're part of this group of international all-stars? We have people from all different countries, continents. What does that feel like to be in that group?

It feels like such an honor to be a part of this group. I know that some of them have either worked. I believe there's one Michelin star, nominated chef that I was competing against. Yeah. And so, you know, to be considered as, you know, either in that group of finalists that compete against each other. So it's really, I feel really proud to have been part of it.

It's great. You should feel proud. It's a big deal. We love it. Well, I am so excited to see this season. Are you excited to watch the season back? Do you kind of, do you dread watching the episodes? How is that for you?

I do. I dread watching them, to be honest, because, I mean, I lived it, right? And it's all, I mean, it's like, you know, you remember the stress level of every scenario, and it's just cringe-worthy to have to watch it back. So, and it's also, you also wonder like, oh, what's going to be included? What's, you know, what's edited? What's not edited? I wonder, like, you know, how the picture is being painted because the artistry happens there as well, right? And so all of this, you know, keeps my shoulders close to my ears and me wincing a little bit.

Right. I mean, yeah, like when everything is being filmed, it's like usually when you're in the kitchen just on a normal day, it's whoever you're working with and nobody else is ever going to see back there. It's really vulnerable, I imagine. Yes. It's a completely vulnerable situation. and I just kind of grip my teeth. And today I'll be gritting my teeth and leaning into it for sure. Yes.

Well, I think it's going to be an exciting season, and I'm definitely excited to watch it, even if it's a little tough for you. Yeah, it's going to be tough. But also, like, I mean, it's a fantastic show. Like, it receives great support. And the competition is fierce. And people like to see it.

I'm happy to be a part of it. So there's nothing negative about that. And I hope that it doesn't seem negative. My response to your question doesn't seem negative. It's just reality to have to watch yourself doing these things and struggling through something, whether it's a competition or, you know, a bad interview, whatever it is. You know, it's hard. It's hard. Absolutely. I think that is a completely human response. I don't think it sounds negative at all. Okay, good. Well, Don, thank you so much for chatting with me. And congratulations and best of luck on this season. Oh, thank you so much.

It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much, Dawn. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. We have lots more great stuff coming up. So if you are subscribed, you will get it straight into your feed. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. You can follow me at Dylan Hafer.

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