Mention It All - Gabriella Giudice Has Entered The Chat (RHONJ)

Episode Date: February 22, 2023

Jordana and Dylan are back for another Jersey day, starting with their thoughts on the meeting of the Joes in The Bahamas. From their, they return to Bergen County, where Teresa and Melissa’s mozzarella makeup is extremely short-lived. Does Louie’s explanation for excluding Melissa’s in-laws actually make any sense? Plus, Frank and Paulie navigate their new relationship amid a complicated Toy Story metaphor, and the new ladies open up about their struggles. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With me, Dylan Hafer. We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer. And as always, or at least for right now, it is Wednesday. So I am here with the one and only Jordana Abraham. Hey, Jordana.

Hi, Dylan. So excited to be back. So much going on with New Jersey this week. I've been itching to have some. somewhere to talk about it. So much going on. You know, New Jersey doesn't have allegations flying around about people being coked up at work like Summerhouse does, but there's still still much to unpack. They've got their, they're in the running. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, I'm still surprised that Bravo even lets the term coaked up be used on on the airwaves, but. I mean, I guess it's like,

it's not illegal to say it. Right. Right. Like, I. There was a time. I remember Tamara Judge talking about how they wouldn't even let her. She filmed a whole party for her CBD brand and then they ended up cutting it because it was like a liability issue because it's technically marijuana. We've come such a long way. Right. Well, I mean, if you start selling Coke on the show, maybe they'll have to do a film. That's true.

That's true. Okay. There's a limit to the side hustles. Yeah. But we are here to talk about New Jersey. Of course, we have another episode to break down. But just like, you know, last week we had Jacqueline and Teresa's five-hour lunch to discuss on social media. And this week, we have another Jersey controversy, if you will, happening on social media. And that is that the Gorgas were in the Bahamas over the weekend. They were on this big group trip that I don't understand how you have that many friends in your four years. that are all able to go to the Bahamas at the same time. Whatever. That's not important.

I think it's called being rich. Joe Gorga ran into none other than Joe Judeyce at a bar in the Bahamas. He posted a video of them running into each other, giving, you know, it's a hug. It looks like a nice moment. His caption, both walked into the same bar at the same time. A lot of history there. We have memories since we were kids. I'm happy he's doing well and looks good.

we were both happy to see each other and catch up glad someone caught it. What was before the comment firestorm that happened after this, what was your kind of gut reaction to Joe Gorga posting this? Before I saw any comments, I was like, oh, that's nice. I did think, I did think there was part of me that did think like, how did you get, like, who decided, like, did this actually happen this naturally that someone just happened to like film you guys running into? each other. I thought it was nice, too. Of course there is a part of me that's like, I know that this is going to cause drama and I know that Joe Gorga must know that this is going to be at the very least a conversation topic, but probably some bigger, you know, source of strife, whatever. Maybe I wouldn't have posted it. But I did,

reaction was positive though. Yes. This is, this is nice. I agree. They have been through a lot. They've known each other since they were kids. You know, a lot of water under the bridge. But Giojudice. Did not agree. Giajudice pops up in the comments and says, this is honestly comical, knowing you were with him for not even five minutes. And we're able to have, oh, and we're, sorry, typo.

And we're able to have somebody take a video of the interaction. Meanwhile, all you have done is talked so poorly about my father. You are such an opportunist to take advantage of the once in a lifetime opportunity to see my father and use it for a post. And then Joe Gorga responds and says, we both said horrible things about each other. It was a nice moment. We have a lot of history.

Get the hate out of your heart. Important to note, this comment from Joe Gorga was originally commented from Melissa Gorga's account, deleted, posted from Joe's. And then clarified in another comment that Joe picked up Melissa's phone and commented without realizing it. You know, is that truly what happened? We'll never know. Right.

Very messy situation all around. You know, you have a couple Bahama breezes. You're a couple Pinacolades deep. You don't know whose phone you're commenting from. It's a very Kathy Hilton situation. Happens to the best of the Bravo Lebrides. At least she didn't post Teresa's wedding invitation with her password to her website on it. Exactly.

Okay. The thing is, I understand why Gia has feelings about this. I do think it's a little funny to refer to seeing Joe Judey set a bar in the Bahamas as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. You only get one shot. The flight's not that expensive. Just to be. But I don't know. I mean, I think something I got to talk to Margaret Joseph's yesterday.

That'll be on the podcast tomorrow. So make sure you're subscribed. But one thing that came up a lot in our conversation was the idea that on New Jersey, in the current era, there's a lot of unwillingness to move on from past issues. And you make up with someone, but then you're not really made up with them because the second one thing happens, you're back to the original place and there's a grudge, whatever. And to me, I feel like if Joe Gorga and Joe Judice are able to put everything in the past and have a nice moment when they are serendipitously in the same place after all of this, that's a good thing to me. Yeah. I mean, to me also, it's kind of like to read Gia's comment, they both talk shit about each other. It wasn't like it was Joe Gorga. Like it was her, it was, it was her dad as well. And so I do think. On Gia's end, it's a little like, why not move towards peace instead of like holding on to these old things?

If they could hug it out and then not talk about each other. Like, isn't that what we're looking for? Do we need to like, do we need to like say no to peace on principle? Mm-hmm. Like, is posting it opportunistic? Sure, maybe. But like, in the grand scheme of things, I don't have an issue with them being able to hug it out and share a laugh in the Bahamas.

Yeah. Although I do think notably, because I did look at Joe Judice's thing, he didn't mention it anywhere, although I don't know like what his posting style is these days. I miss when he first got deported and he was in Italy, like in his, in Salah Consularia, like the little town in Italy. And he was just posting like workout videos. I miss that era of Joe Judice's social media. Yes.

Workout videos and then store. And then like, then like a tabloid stories about, about the Gorgas. So again, I think like everyone in there, no one in this family is innocent. And so I think it would be nice because again, the storyline, even just if just, if not for anything else than just for the storyline. Because the storyline is, I think, getting a little tired. Yeah, we will, we'll come back to this numerous times throughout this episode recap. But yeah, let's get into what happened this week on Jersey. We're not in the Bahamas.

We are in Goodhol, Bergen County, starting off still at Danielle Cabral's Mozzarella party. Mozarelle, sorry. Every time I say mozzarella, I feel like an imposture. I say mozzarella because I'm not Italian and that's how I think it's said. But I'm sure everyone is cringing. Thank you for giving me. Yeah, I'm like we got some regot, some.

I'm impressed that you try. Some Galamar. But Melissa and Teresa going at it, talking about the engagement party, talking about the wedding. Melissa says that she's fine with what happened at the engagement party, but she doesn't want to be made to look like a liar. Again, this is another situation where it just feels like we're talking in circles. And ultimately where the circle ends right now is that Teresa's like, fine, fine, fine. You can be a bridesmaid. You can be a bridesmaid.

Is that what you want? And Melissa's like, no. No, right. That doesn't feel good. It is funny that like after so many rounds of back and forth and just minutes before, Teresa is calling Melissa a liar, bringing back up this, you know, whatever. I guess Melissa brought it up. But that Teresa, after all of this, her instinct is still just like, okay, fine, you can be a bridesmaid.

It's like. Where she thinks that's going to fix it. Right. Right. Like, okay, we're putting like a, you know, sparkly bandaid over this, you know, bullet wound. It's like, I don't think that's best for anyone at this point. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, not done like that. That's the thing. Like, if you did, I can, I can think that would be like a nice gesture if like they parted, you know, they mean, the party's over. Teresa goes home. She thinks about it. And then she like messages Melissa a few days later. I've been thinking about. it. I do want you guys in my life. I don't want you to feel like I'm like trying to ostracize

myself from you guys. I would love it if you were a bridesmaid. Like I want to move forward. That would be different. I think she might have even said yes if it was done like that. Not like in the heat of an like you want it. Fine. Like no one wants it like that. Right. If she delivered a lovely box to her house with a monogrammed wine glass and some confetti and a big a big, a big. A big. A big. ring pop maybe. Exactly. Will you be my bridesmaid? And a very weird,

cheesy poem, that would be the style. Melissa, we've been through so much together. I mean, they have for sure. Did Teresa do bridesmaid proposal boxes?

I hope. I feel like we would have seen it on social though if she did. I don't think she did. It would have been like so elaborate. It would have needed to be on Instagram. Exactly.

Right. And she also would have had to post about it so that because she would have been given everything for free. It would be like, I will supply this many monogrammed wine glasses for you for a post and a tag. Thank you to my sponsors for this. Hey, I'm not above it. If you want to sponsor my non-existent bridesmaid proposal boxes, slide into my DM. Same. Leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts with your info.

Weddings are expensive. I would get it. Exactly. I'm not getting married anytime soon, so don't actually worry about that. But whatever, they kind of make up for now. It's a very like, I want this conversation to be over. So let's hug it out and say that we, you know, love each other. Right.

It is what it is. Yeah. No, I agree. It's very much like, again, brushing it under the table yet again. Okay. It feels like every episode we are getting an update on Dolores's ever-changing personal life tapestry. And this week we get our first real meeting with Frank and Pauley in the same place. And they are, they're not on amazing terms with each other. There's some tension there.

Definitely seems a little tense. And I mean, I guess Frank says says as much at the dinner later, but you can feel it. It doesn't feel like there's a, it doesn't feel like they vibe. I think I'll put it that way. Well, and I think Dolores is obviously. in the middle of this. And she, she feels like she needs to be kind of going more in Polly's direction because that is the new relationship in her life.

That is the active, romantic relationship in her life. And Frank is now kind of this like, vestigial thing that she just has in her life that there's no getting rid of. But it, it is interesting that Polly clearly has ideas of how Frank should sort of be

dealing with him. And there's this conversation about how they wanted to talk, they were going to meet up or whatever, and Frank communicated via Dolores to Polly about that they should talk.

And Polly doesn't like that he's using Dolores as a middleman. Meanwhile, Frank says, I've never even had Polly's phone number. How else am I supposed to get a hold of this guy? I guess he'd prefer for him to ask Dolores for his phone number. and then text him directly, which I don't think is like crazy.

I don't think either of them are like, I don't think, I think if asked in the right way, I don't think either of those requests are that weird. I don't think the request to meet up with him is weird. I don't think the ask him asking him to get her phone number is weird. Or I don't, I don't think it's weird to be offended that he didn't contact him directly. Yeah, I think the bigger question for me is do these two men really need to meet up in the first place? Like, there's this kind of default expectation that they must. have a relationship with each other because they are both men in Dolores's life.

And I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Here's the thing, I think. It's kind of like, I under, I think it's completely natural. And I would feel this way, I would probably act like a bigger lunatic. If I was dating someone, if I was dating a guy who was living with, whose ex-wife was living in his house. And then for like a long time and they'd been divorced for like,

20 years and they were still living together. Like, that's an intimidating relationship to walk into. You walk into that a little bit guarded, in my opinion. So I think it's natural for Pauley to be like, okay, this is like a little suspect. Like if I'm dating someone, I don't want to be like dating her and her husband. So I think it would have been a nice gesture if Frank, as he says so happy, she's happy, really cared about Dolores to have that conversation, say he's not trying to step on any toes, be friendly with this guy.

I don't think it, I think that would be the nice move considering, I think it's whatever how Pauli's feeling. And I can't fully hear him. I feel like he's, like, maybe it's the accent. I'm not like fully understanding what he's saying half the time. He's like, the thing about Dolores is that you've got to be really careful when you're talking to her. Like, what?

Like, I'm like, maybe the miscommunication comes from like literally he couldn't physically understand him because I am having sort of a hard time hearing him also. But I think it is Frank's, if Frank truly cared about Dolores, he would be. be like extra nice to Bali. Right. I mean, if you're a lover of the toy story films as I am, you do know that Buzz and Woody don't always have the most convivial of relationships. But he's Mr. Potato Head.

Oh, Ralph. What is the, what is the relationship between Buzz and Mr. Potato Head? And Mr. Potato Head. Kind of similar, actually. Yeah. Not a ton of interaction, but not extremely negative. I mean, if it was like, you know, if one of them was like T-Rex, you know, that would be a

different story. I can't believe I mixed up my Toy Story characters. Fuck. It's okay. It happens. Toy Story 3, one of my favorite movies. I cried like a baby. The whole franchise.

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I do like this episode. We get a little more personal background. on our new housewives, Rachel and Danielle. I always think it's interesting to see kind of who decides to share what, how quickly in their housewives journey. And with Rachel, we get her backstory about how she had a miscarriage a couple of years ago, which I think is something that we've seen, you know, many housewives now be open about. And I think is always, you know, great to hear.

And I mean, that photo shoot with her daughter, like, so cute. Yeah, I did think it was like an interesting time to be having that serious life discussion about having another kid. She's like, smile, smile. And I want another kid right now. And then he's like, they're like, you know what I mean? It's like a very serious topic that they're talking about while she's simultaneously like trying to direct the photo shoot. So I thought it was interesting timing. But I just, I'm always impressed. I mean, she had a baby like a couple of months before she started filming for housewives. And so. So she has a literal newborn, infant, whatever the stages are, she's doing this TV show for the first time and is like, I want another baby on top of this. Personally, I would need like a full year off of everything if I were even going to consider it. Yeah, it sounds like she's definitely taking on a lot. But it was cute. Her kids were cute and it was like a nice, it was a nice story and a nice, I think, backstory to explain why she also wants another. Yes.

Another. Meanwhile, with Danielle, the story that we get from her family this episode is a little bit more, a little bit more fraught, a little bit more kind of drama to mine, I think, that if, depending on how long she stays on this show, that brother will be getting dragged on camera sooner or later. It might take a bit. They're blurring his infant baby face, which I was like, it's not like anyone's going to know who that is. Like someone at work is going to be like, I saw you on like. He wrote like a strongly worded letter to Bravo that was like, I swear to God, if I see, if I see one unblered childhood photo of myself on this show, you're getting sued. Yeah. Okay.

The story with Danielle and her brother, which we hear by the way, as she is meeting with Melissa at like a showroom to buy clothes for envy because Danielle, to borrow Melissa's word, envies Melissa's life, but then also seems to be sort of, whatever, we'll get to it. But so basically, Danielle says that a couple of years ago, she started posting videos on social media of herself, essentially trying to be an influencer. Yeah. Her brother was like making fun of her. So Danielle blocked her brother.

Yes. Because she didn't want to see herself being made fun of. Because she didn't want him to, She didn't want him to see the videos and then make fun of her. Right. I guess. So now she hasn't spoken to her brother in like two years. They got kicked out of the wedding.

And there's more to the story, but it comes out. Danielle, line in the sand says that she thinks it is the wife's fault. Bold statement. This, of course, hits close to home because this has been a 10-year question with Melissa and Joe of how much of it is the wife's fault. Right. I mean, it's such a weird thing to even say, like, why would there be one universal answer? Right. Because if all wives, all wives of husbands are the same. And all sisters of husbands are the same. You know what I think is the universal truth of any situation? It's the wife. It's always the wife. Right. Like, that's just the crazy. I mean,

I guess she's saying, like, I relate to, I can understand where Teresa's coming from as someone who's in a very similar situation fighting with my brother and kind of, but I do think, and maybe this is just me, it's not, if you're fighting with your sibling,

it's not your spouse's job to mediate. Like, you meet, like, that seems to be like the sort of, that almost seems to be like the underlying issue of the entire show is like. I do think it's an interesting,

strategic choice on Danielle's part that she's having this conversation in a one-on-one scene with Melissa of all people. And basically saying with context clues, by the way, I think you're at fault for this whole situation. And Melissa's kind of like, okay, I thought we were picking clothes for the boutique. Right. Very, uh, really threw a wrench in that one.

Did you see it online? Another thing I discovered on Instagram this week on Jersey is that Danielle was on True Life. I'm a Staten Island girl. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. She's been at this for a long time. Yeah.

So it almost seems to me like maybe, I don't want to speculate about her fight with her brother, but I'm going to speculate that he seems very opposed to like her, her thirst for fame. Oh, yeah. So that seems like a big part of it. Back on that show, she wanted to be an actress. She is doing her social media stuff. She wants her bougie kids. You know, like she is somebody who is not.

ashamed to want the spotlight. And there's nothing wrong with that. But obviously in a family context, that is something that can create friction. And not everybody is going to be on the same page about that. I mean, even her parents don't seem to be hamming it up for the camera. I mean, they're showing up. They're there. But it's not like everybody's just like, you know, team housewives. Right. Yeah. And I also think there's, I mean, I'm kind of intrigued by this that she has because I could use a different sibling fight to they've had their fair they think they've had enough time the gorgas and and Teresa um but to me it was kind of like there's something I agree with with Melissa when she was like it feels like that's the whole story like there's got

to be something else there yeah because she was like if that's the case why does her mom not talk to him oh yeah that dad does like there's clearly something else there that is not being said yeah the mom not talking to the brother is have questions. Yes. There's more than just the he was making fun of her over the dance moves. There's got to be more to the story. Right. Like my sister is not a big social media person.

If she was seeing everything that I had posted over the last, you know, five years, I wouldn't love to know her unfiltered thoughts. Right. To someone else. Everyone talks shit about influencers. It's a right of passage. Right. Okay.

Speaking of talking shit, we got to talk about. this scene with Teresa and Louis and Gia and Gabriella. Oh, my God. For maybe the first time ever really gets drawn in to the drama. I know. Oh, my God. This was such a, this was a groundbreaking moment. It was a real first.

This scene, I think, I think a lot of people are going to have a lot of thoughts about this scene, myself included. So Teresa is at home. Gia wanders in with a salad on a tray. asking Teresa if she wants some. Teresa's trying to lose 10 pounds before the wedding. She can't eat salad. Gia, snap out of it.

No, Gia was like, it's salad. She said, you want a bite? She's like, no, I'm dieting. And then Gia's like, it's salad. And then Louis, you know, Louis wanders in. So, Teresa is, you know, talking about what happened at the mozzarella party. And she, with no, with no acknowledgement of the fact that she and Melissa, on paper left this party on good terms

is telling them that Melissa brought up the engagement party again. And, you know, it sucks because she's lying. And, you know, Gia and Louie are in agreement that she's making up these lies about this thing that happened. And I don't know why she's going back to that place. And it is, it's interesting to see how quickly

this little family unit can be, be like whipped up into talking shit about Melissa and Joe. And I'm not saying what they're saying is incorrect necessarily. I don't know. We don't know what happened with the engagement party. But it's like it's interesting that even though Teresa and Melissa left the party on good terms, the family vibe is clearly still very much like fuck Zia Melissa. Right.

Yeah. I mean, I think to me it seems like Gia still has a lot of resentment about. Joe Gorga talking shit about her father. And she's using that view of him and I guess Melissa to color the whole thing. And it is a shame to me because I do feel like in previous seasons, if you look back a few years, Gia was kind of like and Teresa is very easily swayed by her children. I think that they, their opinion means a lot to her. And I think in the past, you've seen Gia kind of be like a little bit of the voice of reason

where she's like kind of telling her to like the things are like she shouldn't get so activated and things like that. But this time I think it's pulling her in the other direction. And Louis is definitely not helping. Like, I don't know how much therapy he's in, but it's not really productive to be calling someone disgusting. Yeah. And disgusting. And he's also saying that basically that Joe has never done anything without Melissa kind of guiding him from behind, which, again, is this conversation that Danielle's having about how it's always the wife, which just seems like an incredibly reductive take on this whole decade.

plus long situation. Right. It's just so funny to me that they like in their mind, Joe Gorga is neutral and Melissa is pulling him to a side. Like you can see Joe Gorgas veins popping out of his face when he is talking about like his feelings about his sister. It is clearly not Melissa moving him one way or the other. Right. And so with Gabriella coming on, it is, it's funny how Teresa's like, Gabriella, come on in. I'm sorry. I know you hate me. I know. I know. I you hate talking about the drama, but, you know, the cameras are here. And if you want to be in the house, we're going to talk about it. Get miced up, girlie. Very random entry point for Gabriella. Yeah. And it does feel like Gabriella and Gia are very much

on the same page about this situation now. And they're going back to this spinoff that happened in 2015. Teresa checks in where we saw there were scenes of Joe and Melissa. kind of supporting the kids, being there for the kids while Teresa was in prison. And this is something that has come up recently that Joe and Melissa talked about it on a podcast and there was a thing about, you know, basically Joe and Melissa talking about how much they were there for Teresa's daughters while she was away, which, again, that's something you can debate. We weren't there, whatever.

but they're basically saying other than filming, other than being on camera, we didn't hear from them, we didn't see them. So it's hurtful now that they're kind of using this as points in their favor about how supportive they were for us. And for these girls, I totally understand why that they would be traumatized by this situation or that it would really profoundly affect them because let's face it, both their parents went to prison. That is a traumatic thing in and of itself. and then the fact that it keeps getting, you know, pulled out of the hat once again, that it's like, remember when your family was apart? I was there.

You wouldn't have eaten if it wasn't for me. Like, I don't think any of us should be talking about this anymore. No, I agree. And maybe it doesn't, it doesn't, I think that I would totally agree with like the Jude Ice girls that the Joe and Melissa is sort of perpetuating talking about that time period just feels very like traumatic to them. and I could see why she'd be uncomfortable of them, even if their storyline is correct, which we don't, like you said,

we don't really know if it is or it isn't. But it does seem like there's some, I hope these girls are in therapy because that must have been not only again, having each of your parents go to prison consecutively, having it all on filmed on television, including your visits to your see your dad, and then your dad,

you know, being extradited from the country. Like, that's a traumatic. That's like a really, really difficult thing. I would imagine that they also have some anger towards their parents, but you don't really see. I would imagine it be more than you would see. So part of me does feel like they probably have a lot of anger and resentment about that entire time period. And it's a lot easier to take it all out on Joe and Melissa.

And I'm not saying that they're totally innocent in all of it, but I think that it is probably easier because they're not their parents to project a lot of that anger about that time period onto them. Totally. And I think especially when there is kind of additional, you know, like in their household, the way that Teresa has interacted more recently with her brother and her sister-in-law, it's not going to, it's going to be an environment that is very friendly to having negative feelings about Joe and Melissa. Whereas if they were really going to have tough conversations about their feelings toward their

mom, their feelings toward their dad about this whole situation, that's something that would be a lot more difficult to work through because Teresa probably doesn't want to have that conversation. I'm not saying they never have talked about it or anything, but it's not kind of like the easy pile on that it is to just be like, oh, well, fucking Zio Joe is going off, mouth it off again. Like it's, you know, it's like a friendly territory to talk like that. Exactly. And I mean, it's just easier, I think, it's like a more low-hanging trauma to process than their parents. Yeah.

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And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear up on that envelope. It's time for a little in-person. spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. We got to talk about Melissa and Melissa's mom and Melissa's sisters not being invited to the wedding. I was taken aback because the thing is,

the thing about weddings is that when you're making your wedding guest list, I feel like it's kind of a universally understood thing that there are certain people where it's like you just have to invite them. They're just on the list. And I would have assumed to my core that when Teresa was sitting down and making her wedding invite list, that sweet Donna Marco and Kim and Lisa with a Y would have just been on the list. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. If she was having a little 50-person COVID wedding or something like that, I can understand why they might be cut. They're not her in-laws. They're her brother's in-laws. She's having a 200-person wedding.

Like, she's inviting Ramona Singer. Like, if she's inviting Ramona Singer, she had room for people, again, who were, like, very close. She's known for 20 years that were in her family. And we hear again and again how Joe at this point is Teresa's only relative. Like, it's not like she has 55 uncles and aunts and cousins and in-laws and whatever. It's like literally it is the gorg. and Melissa's family are like her only relatives in this world. Marge Sr. was invited to this wedding.

Jennifer Aidan's mom was invited to this wedding. Chanel Ayanne from Real Housewives of Dubai was at this wedding. Like this was not a wedding that was really, it wasn't like close friends and family only. And even if it was, I still feel like I would have probably assumed Melissa's mom was on that list. It just to me, it feels like the kind of thing where it's like, I just... You're trying to send a message. Right. It is a very clear message.

And whether or not Melissa's mom was dying to be at this wedding is a different question. Of course, obviously, Melissa and Joe didn't even end up attending, which is going to be a whole different thing down the road. But it is a very clear message. And when we're at this guy's night and Joe is bringing it up with Louie and Joe's like, Can you agree? Like Melissa's family? Nice people. Been good to you.

Okay? And he's like, yeah, yeah. So why aren't they invited? Oh, you know, stuff from the past. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I don't know if it's really working for me. That excuse. If they don't want to invite them, fine.

But like, own it. Well, he has like, he's funny because he changes his tune halfway through that dinner. Where at first he's like, you know, we're not trying to like go there in the past. Like there's like it's there's an issue. were trying to be separate from them. And then Joe gets like angrier and angrier and angrier. And then Louis's like, listen, like she didn't, she didn't want to do it. I don't know what like, what am I supposed to do?

Yeah. Which is funny because the whole fight is about how the spouse is supposed to push the. And then Joe's saying that like, like, oh, like you're the, you're, you should be pushing for them to invite us. And it's just kind of like the whole, it seems like the whole fight on both ends is like, I'm angry at your spouse for not liking. us more and pushing you to be closer to us. Yeah. And there's this idea. If Louis is this kind of Teresa whisperer type of person, he's clearly not only using his

powers for good. And if, you know, if for good is peace between the capulets and the Montague's and we want everybody to be invited to the ball, you know, that would be kind of the platonic ideal of good here. And it's clear that Louis sometimes is telling Teresa make up with him, you know. Make up with Margaret. Ask for peace. Right. Make up with Margaret. You know, go to therapy. All that stuff. Like, that's great. But then it's clear that

the other 50% of the time, he's like, well, you know, they're garbage. Right. You know, there's shit in the past. You know, Margaret's a, you know, Margaret's an asshole. You know, like, Jackie doesn't love, you know, like, it feels like he kind of half the time is very focused on like this Zen ideal, which he switches to at the end of this dinner where he's like, just make up with her. Just make up with her. Talk. You want peace. You want peace. And it's like, you were calling him garbage 20 minutes ago on the episode. Yeah. It's weird. He does seem to have, like, and the more we find out about Louis, the more he does seem to have like these two sides to his personality of like he has a switch of like I'm all about like kumbaya and everyone

get along and I want to bring everyone together or like I'm kind of like feeding the monster and making them more mad. Yeah. And we see in the preview for next episode. That was so funny. When he's like coaching Teresa. He writes down. Right.

Right. Right. Teresa's on the phone calling Joey brother, which is how the contact to save her her phone. And she has a notebook and all it says is just want to make peace. Oh my God. She sounds like she, it sounded like she was ordering like Chinese food. Where she was like, what do I, what do we get? You want to make peace?

Yeah. Chicken, chicken lo main, egg roll, wanton soup. And minimal fighting, yes. I'm very, the tone in her voice for that conversation did not lead me to believe it's going to go well. So the thing is, Joey, I've been told that I want to make peace. Would you like? that extra deep with extra cheese or without. My sources are saying want to make peace.

Right. It's like it's not great if you need notes for the like overarching point of the conversation. The one sentence like logline of your objective. Yeah. Definitely. I did love what we didn't talk about Jennifer and Bill's brief conversation where he just confirms our suspicions that she's not. self-reflective. Oh my, that was funny. I have to appreciate Bill's sort of like calm way of

not telling people what they want in here. Yeah. I agree. That's the thing. It's like I don't think Bill is like the greatest guy on earth. Lord knows. But I I do think that he is, I respect his unwillingness to just kind of be Jennifer's yes man. That he is like, okay. okay, babe, so here's the thing. Right. Some of us are reflective. He's like, so everybody brings something to the table. And it's not always the same. And, you know, but I also understand Jennifer's response of being like,

I don't need a fucking devil's advocate in my marriage at all times where he's like, well, maybe Margaret has a point. Like sometimes you do just want that support. And I think there is kind of a balance there of when you can be somebody. but he's supportive cheerleader, but not just tell them and but also tell them what they need to hear. And I think Bill maybe could be a little more, you know, in the middle sometimes. She wants him to be more of a shit talker, which is funny to me. Also, I kind of think like, she needs a Louie. Right. Well, it's kind of like that's, I don't, I think it's nice that he has

that quality. I think it's better for their marriage probably or just their lives overall. She could probably find someone else in the group to just agree with her. Yeah. I would go to someone else. Like, your husband can't be everything for you. That's true. I mean, I feel like Danielle Cabral might have potential in that department. Yeah. I think she could find someone.

If she's looking for someone to amp her up, there's no shortage of people. She could find somebody else to agree that Margaret was being disingenuine. It was so funny with the kids and the chores. The $14 an hour. I'm like, okay. Pretty good thing. I never made $14 an hour doing any chores. So Olivia Aiden.

Inflation, you know. That's true. What is that? A carton of eggs? Yeah. How much could a banana cost? I don't know. $10.

I did like quickly. We just got one little scene with Margaret, Jackie and Melissa. And Jackie just manages to get in a dig about Danielle's jeans shorts looking like they were pulled straight out of the hamper. Oh, my God. That was, she's going to, I mean, that's not going to go. well for her. Judgy bitch.

I mean, that is kind of a judgey bitch thing to say. I have to agree with Danielle. Absolutely. I feel like Jackie would own that she's a judgy bitch sometimes. Yeah. What's wrong? Yeah. She should just say, yeah, I'm judgmental.

Sorry. Own it. Own it, as they say. It's funny. I mean, like, whatever, Danielle didn't invite her to the mozzarella party. So she's going to say that her shorts looked wrinkly and bad. Yeah. I don't have a problem with it.

Neither do I. I mean, I don't know if unless Danielle prides herself on her fashion, she should just laugh it off. Well, she, kids fashion maybe. She, I think if, if Jackie had said that her daughter showed up looking like she pulled her clothes out of the hamper, it would have been a different story. That's true. Yeah. That would have really cut deep. Well, Jordana, this has been so fun.

And I can't wait. I can't wait for next week when we will discuss how we want to make peace. Yes. The note. I hope we get, I hope we get all this. detailed notes released from that phone conversation. Right. Like those are the receipts I want.

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