Mention It All - Give Me Your Keys, We’re Going Back To 2008

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

With Bravo’s current schedule a little light, Dylan dives into the vault and comes up with an underappreciated gem: Tabatha’s Salon Takeover. He talks about the recession-era vibes that made the show so great, and why it 100% holds up to a present-day binge. Earlier in the show, he has some Bravo updates from every corner of the internet, including Brandi Glanville’s latest ploy for attention and Kathy Hilton’s puzzling estate sale. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone Welcome back to the Mention It All podcast It is Monday And we are in a little bit Of a fun spot in the schedule Where there is nothing Nothing happening On Sunday nights on Bravo

And so I am dipping into the Bravo vault That's right All those shows that have been sitting there on Peacock for a few months waiting to be watched. I have broken, I have broken the seal on Tabitha's Salon Takeover. And I'm excited to talk about it today. People, the one show that people, when the vault was added to Peacock, were like, are you going to watch this? Are you going to watch that? I did an NYC prep episode earlier in the spring. That was fun to revisit. But you know what? I have never in my life seen an episode of Tabitha's Salon Takeover until

yesterday. So I'm excited to get into it. I watched four episodes. My plan was to watch like one or two and then lo and behold, that autoplay just kept on autoplay and I was not in the mood to stop it. So I have some thoughts about Tabitha Salon takeover from somebody who did not watch it back in the 2000s. So we're going to get into that. But first, we have a couple of little updates from from around the bravoverse. You know, things are always happening on social media. And I feel like lately we have been in a really good groove of There's just like always some nonsense happening on social media. There's always something to get into. And first of all, we have to talk about this.

Bethany, once again, she's a fixture. She posted over the weekend this Instagram story with none other than Danielle Oliveira. Yes, Summer House Danielle. And they are, they're at some restaurant or party or something in the Hamptons. Bethany recording like a selfie video as she is pretty much always. way is doing these days. And she, she's like, Danielle's in the frame. And she goes, I just ran into this girl named Danielle. And she, she says that you'll know. I don't know. If you know, you know. So, uh, say hi, Danielle. Danielle's like, hey, girl boss, business, business diva. Woo. And it is so,

I would say third-hand embarrassing because I hope that first and second-hand both of them are embarrassed. Just like imagining this interaction from start to finish what we see on camera and what we don't. Imagining Danielle spotting Bethany at some place in the Hamptons and being like, oh, there's Bethany. Let me go say hi to Bethany. And we've all done this. You know, you're at a party. You're like, oh, I see that person. We, you know, we have a work connection.

We used to work at the same place. We weren't quite on the same team. Maybe we overlapped a little, but not for the whole time we were there. You know, I'll just go say hi. Just how's it going? The thing that Danielle miscalculated, though, is that she and Bethany might have been, you know, co-workers at the Bravo factory that overlapped for a year or two back in the late 2010s. I assume they overlapped.

I have not gone back to check the dates. But Bethany doesn't know who the fuck she is. This is not like two co-workers who used to work together. This is like the exec who had one foot out the door and like the entry-level worker who now has, you know, gotten promoted a little bit and then actually just got laid off earlier this year. Sorry, Danielle. But suffice to say, Bethany doesn't know who this chick is. She wouldn't know her if she hit her in the face. And she might have. But just imagining, like, Danielle's mind in the moment when she must have realized that Bethany had no idea who she was. But then she had already broken the seal on this interaction. So she had to follow through and be like, for Summer House. Oh, you don't know what Summer House says. Oh, from the, from the Bravo show that's in the Hamptons. Oh, no, no. Do you know, perhaps you know Lindsay Hubbard? Oh, that's okay.

okay too. I promise. I promise I'm on a show. She probably took out her phone and was like, look, I have followers. It's just, oh, God. And then knowing that Bethany must have been like, okay, you say people know you, okay, let's get a selfie, let's get a video, let's get a video. I'm going to get headlines for this. Okay. Okay, it's going to be on page six. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do a selfie. Quick, quick, quick, quick, get in the video. Because you know that Bethany wasn't passing up an opportunity for like content. That's Bethany's entire life. and then just like it goes out into the Instagram ether and it's just like oh these two Bethany is busy you know talking about chicken salad and you know ranting at various small

businesses and major corporations for not treating her the way she feels she wants to be treated Danielle is doing I don't know what I mean she's busy being a CEO and founder of course for Don, Dawn, her closet app. I'm glad she's still spending time in the Hamptons, you know. I don't know if she's spending any time at the summer house, but just, prayers for both of them because it's, this just,

this made me feel bad. You know who also, I think, is in a little bit of a bad spot and is tweeting right through it is Brandy Glanville. She, of course, is permanently on the offensive against Andy Cohen and Bravo trying to ruin their lives. Just last week, she was like talking about this new, you know, story that she's conjured up about how a time that she, you know, Andy was making a joke about having, I think, sex with Kate Chastain and was like,

oh, like, he wanted me to watch. I'm like, yes. You know, if we're looking on paper, if Tabitha coffee walked into Andy Cohen's salon and saw him joking about having sex with Kate Chastain, of course she would be horrified. But it's just, none of this stuff from Brandy's landing. And I don't know if that's because Brandy is just like not the best messenger or because the stories themselves aren't that compelling. But she did tweet over the weekend. She tweeted this photo of herself looking snatched beyond physical possibility. Just the waist, the hourglass shape of the waist, she's wearing this like knit dress. And the way the dress, the way that the knitting is, it's like there are like these little line, vertical lines down the dress.

and the way that the vertical lines just joop in around her waist and then jup back out around her hips it's like that's not how fabric works but she tweets this photo of herself you know very you know very demure very mindful staring at the camera and the caption on the photo is just

I have no choice but to sue thank you for those who have stood by me and then a link and of course before you even click on the link you know that it's going to one of those like clickbait ass celebos are The article is actually from the first week of July. So it's like a seven week old article about how she was saying that she had no choice but to sue Bravo and Andy and yada yada, yada. But it's just like, Brandy tweeting this with this photo. I hate it, but I love it. And I don't know. I really would be curious. Like this is something that I've never quite been able to crack like the exact economy behind these clickbait posts. Obviously I can like guess kind of how the sausage is made. But like, Who is choosing that photo to go with this article? Like, why wouldn't you have a photo of Brandy with Andy Cohen or of, you know,

Brandy looking like a business, a business bitch who's going to file a lawsuit? Like, the face-tuned, allegedly, photo of Brandy against, like, a wall of greenery in her, like, unbelievably snatched waist is just, I don't think it's giving, like, Aaron Brockovich, you know, I'm going to take on the big guy. and I'm going to win energy. And I would love to see Brandy, like, in her Aaron Brockovich era. Like, I actually think that aesthetic could work really well for her. Because, you know, she is, like, she's down on her luck a little bit.

Like, she's going up against the man, both, like, Andy Cohen, the man and, like, Comcast, NBC Universal. But Aaron Brockovich didn't have face tune. And I think that's for the best. Like, I hate to say, I feel like Aaron Brockovich would have loved a little bit of, like, blur on her face and, like, a little bit of, of chisel in the waist. But I don't know. The other thing that I saw when I was scrolling TikTok this morning is that Kathy Hilton had an estate sale over the weekend at her home in Belair. And when I say at her home, I mean like all up in her home. It was a $25 fee to get in. This video I saw from a creator named Lexi J. So you pay $25 to get in. According to a comment on

Reddit. I have not verified this. All the proceeds from this sale went to some kind of animal charity. So that's great. There were dogs there up for adoption, literally like a pile of chihuahua puppies, just like looking naked in a dog bed that were up for adoption. Not my kind of dog, but, you know, to each their own. But this, looking in this TikTok that Lexi J posted, of all the stuff that was at, this estate sale, it's like so funny because when you hear a state sale, you just think like crap. And Kathy Hilton, classy as she is, rich as she is, that house is full of crap. And so really just like a great material for an estate sale because what's funny is there was a certain amount of Kathy Hilton.

Kathy Hilton stuff. Like there was some fan art that I believe was for sale. There were framed photos of Kathy Hilton. There were some dresses that were like, Obviously not the exact dress because that I would hope is like in the Smithsonian or something. But like stuff that looked like that silver dress that Paris Hilton wore for her 21st birthday, like the silver chain mail kind of vibe. There was like clothes like that, like little dresses, little sheath coverups.

I don't know. None of them actually look like garments. They're just like scraps of fabric. But all of that stuff was for sale. Very cool. But then also there's just like regular ass estate sale kind of stuff. like, oh, there's these, like, there's just like dishes and like teacups and probably some old silverware and like stuff that needs to be polished and little, you know, chotchkes and things like

that. And so I, oh my God, if I was in L.A., I would have dropped everything to go to this estate sale this weekend because even if you're not going to buy anything, even if you're not in the market for like, you know, chinoiserie jars and stuff like that, just seeing and I mean, just being on the. property alone. I can't believe that Kathy Hilton is letting, like, the public come into her home. Like, was she there? Was she, like, in a room upstairs waiting for everyone to leave? Was there security? Like, is it, like, when you go in a museum, like, you know museums that are, like, in old houses and they have, like, the velvet rope across the stairs, so nobody, like,

goes up to, like, the private quarters. I'm picturing Kathy just, like, listening at the top of the stairs as people like pick through her old stuff and it just is it's kind of crazy but also like what could be more what could be more appropriate than Kathy Hilton having an estate sale if if any other Bravo loves want to have an estate sale and want to invite me like I will definitely come I will post a TikTok about it um Kathy Hilton she's going to be back on housewives so maybe maybe we'll see the estate sale on the show now I think I think they're done filming are they done filming I got I hope if they're not done filming they must be desperate So good, so good.

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Work your magic. But let's get into Tabitha. You know, we're in like a little bit of a lull. in the calendar. And by the way, we have some episodes that we are going to be planning in the next month or two coming up. There's like holidays. I've got some vacation. We're going to be looking to fill some slots in the schedule. Obviously, we're going to have some fun guests, things like that. But if you have other shows, other little, you know, themed episodes, other little projects you'd like us to take on, let me know in the comments, in a DM, in a five-star review. Because I want to

do more fun stuff like this. And if there's specific, ideas that you guys have. I am happy to look into those. But with Tabitha Salon Takeover, I was like, is this going to be a show that I, that there's even anything to talk about? Because it's like, it's, it's Tabitha Salon Takeover. Tabitha's Salon Takeover just as a name. It's so great. Tabitha is a perfect name. And Tabitha Salon Takeover, you know, do a shot every time I say it. It sounds like a game that I would have played like on the family computer in like 2006. where it's like, oh, this customer is ready for a shampoo, a rinse and a blow dry. Like, you got to get them out the door.

Oh, the customers are starting to pile up. People are starting to get angry. You don't have enough foils. The color is running out. It sounds like one of those games where you're like servicing customers. And the show is so fucking watchable. It's so bingeable. It's really the perfect thing to just.

put on, turn off your brain, you will laugh, you will maybe be, it's a little stressful. But the thing about this, so Tabitha Salon Takeover, it ran for five seasons. It was three seasons originally, and then they rebranded it to Tabitha Takes Over, because in those last two seasons, oh, she takes over more than just a salon, honey. I made a list of all the different businesses that she goes to in those last two seasons, which, by the way, they're listed separately on Peacock. So if you're watching and you get to the end of season three and it's like, where's the other two?

Those are listed under Tabitha takes over. So don't worry, they're all there. But in addition to hair salons in those last two seasons, she goes to, and these are directly from the descriptions, a failing gay dance club, a failing yogurt shop, a 50-year-old beauty school, a holistic wellness center, a failing bed and breakfast, a nightclub, a sports bar, something called Cafe Treats, and a combined photography studio and hair salon.

So of those descriptions. Tabitha really gets around. I do, I feel like now I need to watch the failing gay dance club episode, but I love how many of these have the word failing before them as if like that's not kind of just like the, the qualification for being on the show. But so this show originally ran from 2008 to 2013. And watching in the first season, I watched the first four episodes, the 2008 aesthetic is so strong, so powerful. You are instantly sucked back to the late 2000s. This is like on the verge of the financial crisis. You can tell, and I mean, we hear that a lot of these salon owners are like over leveraged financially,

to the nth degree. They're talking about all our credit cards are maxed out. I owe more than the value of my home. I'm, you know, I'm living on credit cards. I took out a loan. I'm, you know, I refinanced my home to keep this salon open. And as I'm listening to these, you know, lovely, hardworking people, not all of them are hardworking, let's be clear. And I'm just like, you are all on the precipice of a financial meltdown that obviously affected millions of people, you know, across the country and across the world. So it's not like it's, you know, one lady in Long Beach's fault that she maxed out her credit cards. But just like the recession vibes that are in the air and these people like don't know what's about to hit them is a little bit, it's a little bit frightening,

but also watching now, it's like, wow. we didn't know how good we had it. And not only the financial situations, but the aesthetics, the styling, the haircuts, for one, the fact that a lot of these people work in a hair salon. And if I were to say, what is the worst possible outcome I can imagine when I go into a hair salon and sit down in the chair and then they show me the finished product, I would point to a lot of these people that are on this show. They, I mean, there are some wild things happening on the hair and makeup and styling on this show.

And I mean, Tabitha herself, to be fair, she has not changed hardly at all in the 15 years since this show premiered. She, her haircut has stayed almost exactly the same, this like white, blonde pixie cut. You know, we've got a lot of purple eye shadow happening. We've got like a strong lip, a strong eye. But Tabitha is really just such a character. She's like the perfect reality TV personality where she can just, her energy is like so

consistent. She can always find something nasty to say. But like she delivers the feedback in a way that it's cutting and the language is shocking. But also you just feel like she's right. You just feel like she's telling something. somebody exactly what they need to hear and they might not want to hear it. But God damn it, she is going to get her point across and she is going to fix this salon. And it really, she makes me feel comfortable and safe and protected in a way that I don't know if I would have.

Actually, if I had watched this in 2008, let me just set the scene. In 2008, I was 13 years old. So I was like in middle school. I was like a little, you know, gay kid who wasn't quite gay yet. And this show is basically the like gay Bravo version of Gordon Ramsey Kitchen Nightmares. And I would imagine that they kind of got the idea for this show from Kitchen Nightmares because that show I checked. It was in the UK starting in 2004 and then in the U.S. starting in 2007. So this was really in that peak era of American society. We are so cooked. Let's get a mean British person in here to tell us what's what and to fix things.

And so we had kitchen nightmares, we had Tabitha's Takeover, we had Super Nanny and Nanny 911. Like, why were there two different network reality shows about British nannies, like mean, stern British nannies, coming to regular-ass American families and getting their kids to behave? What was that? Would that happen now? I do feel like watching this show, it's not that she's like, I don't think she's like so offensive or so horrible. I mean, there are a couple comments. And in the last episode that I watched, she tells some of the stylists that they look like streetwalkers, which I'm like, maybe that hasn't aged like amazingly. She calls, she does use the term ghetto once in the episodes that I watched because there's a hair salon where they have their like shampoo chair raised up on cinder blocks.

Like, that is so good. And like, I don't think that would fly on Bravo in 2024, probably for good reason. You know, we've, we've, we've sanded off some edges. But it is just like something about the format. It kind of, it reminds me of watching early Housewives shows where the kind of like 2008 to 2011, aesthetic is very strong. The styling feels very dated. But in a way that we're kind of. nostalgic for. But the thing with early Housewives shows is that a lot of the time the format

hasn't really settled in yet. Like, if you go back to those first few seasons of OC, they don't really know what they're doing on camera. And I think that, like, the production and the editors don't exactly know what the show is going to be yet. They haven't settled into kind of, like, the storylines and the trips and the editing and the group dynamic. But the thing with Salon takeover that is so great is that the format is fully, fully formed. The format is perfect. Every episode, Tabitha is going to this salon where she's heard, she's heard, like, you know, her crew has sent her that they're having all these issues and she gives us the little

rundown. And then she and the owner watched the secret hidden camera footage of their staff in the salon. And she's just like, oh my God. She's putting in the foils all wrong. Oh my God, it looks filthy in there. Her favorite word is filthy. And this I love. She is never without an adjective that is just delivered perfectly in that Australian accent that I love so much.

Everything is like filthy or atrocious or like horrific or terrible. Like she really has a talent for that, just really like throwing in an extra filthy. Study. And play. Come together on a Windows 11 PC. And for a limited time, college students get the best of both worlds.

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thing that struck me the most. Most of these salons, you know, there's a lot of problems. There's a lot of problems. Tabitha has a lot to fix. But specifically, the cleanliness at these salons is shocking. And the way that she goes around, and she is like dragging her bare hand on these surfaces to then show to the camera how disgusting they are, how filthy they are. And she's like, you see this? And she is like running her hand on like the top side of like a cabinet, on the floor, on the...

And I'm like, I just feel like there were so many different ways that you could exhibit how dirty things are in the salon. And the fact that she just takes the bare hand on these like nasty ass surfaces. And then people will be like, I don't think it's that dirty. I clean my station every day. And she's like, you think this is something that was there from one. day. Yeah right, buddy. It's filthy. It's just every time. It hits every time. She's showing like the the like sanitization thing is dirty. The brushes are dirty. The combs are dirty. Everything is dirty. There's hair in the drains. There's dog poop in the office in one of these salons. And then she

watches them cut the hair. And they bring in, she brings in like hair models. And she brings in like hair models. And I love every episode. They bring photos. And so it'll be like a picture of Jennifer Aniston. And it's like, okay, so I was thinking this. And she's critiquing how they do the consultations. And she's critiquing how they do the color and the cut. And everything is wrong.

I mean, not one of these people actually comes out of the salon looking like the celebrity photo. And I mean, maybe that's just because it's a little unrealistic. And we've all been here. I remember one time when I was probably about the age, probably about, you know, 13, 14, I don't remember the exact timing. I think I brought a picture of David Cook, like the winner of American Idol. He beat David Archiletta,

and my mom was obsessed with David Cook, and I was obsessed with David Cook, and he had, like, this cool, like, choppy-looking hair cut, and I think I, like, brought a picture of him into a great clip, which is just, like, what was I thinking? I probably, like, I'm sure his hair didn't even look good, but also that is not what my hair looked like

when I left the great clips that day. And let's just say none of these stylists on Tabitha Salon Takeover are really accomplishing, accomplishing what they set out to do. But I love the personalities, just like all of the motley crew, the characters that are in all of these salons, because every episode, the formats are like very similar from episode to episode, which is part of what makes it so bingeable, that it's like there are these 44-minute episodes and they just fly by because it's like, okay, They watch the footage.

They talk to the staff. They cut the hair on the models. Then they take them on some kind of field trip. Sometimes they're working on the marketing. Sometimes they're working on the training and the education. Sometimes they're working on the attitudes. Like in the one episode where she's at the salon in New Jersey, she goes to the owner's house because he's living this lavish lifestyle while, you know, he's in debt and the salon is going to go under.

And she goes to his house and he has like a huge fucking parrot in his kitchen. He has an escalade and a corvette, and she makes him pick a car. She has him cutting up his credit cards with pruning shears. They really do get creative so that every episode isn't exactly the same. But the thing that really, like, sets it apart episode after episode is just the characters. The last episode I watched, there's this lady who just, she has this like sour grapes attitude. And she's like, you know, it's like animals in the salon. And she's supposed to go here.

She's supposed to be going to get us better, but I don't feel like she wants to be because better. She just wants to, she just like what creatures. It's so fun. And from the four episodes I watched, there are like two tropes of these salon owners, and they're either a married couple where the woman is the one who actually knows about salon stuff and the man is just like absolute deadweight, which feels appropriate. Or it's like a metrosexual.

slash like questionably gay, you know, 30-something-year-old man who like thinks he's very stylish and like living large and then actually is like $300,000 in debt from a salon that isn't doing well. But he thinks that he's like hot shit even though he has presumably called Tabitha to come like save him. And they're like, this was the era of like metrosexual. And so it is so fun to watch this show where like they're not getting into personal. lives. You know, we don't, we don't actually care, like, who, who's using what letter of the LGBTQ here. But I'm like, all of these guys could be gay. None of these guys could be gay. They could all be, like, somewhere on the, the spectrum, you know, but they could also be, like,

raging heterosexuals, but they all dress exactly the same. They all are wearing, like, the designer jeans with, like, the embellishments on them and, like, a, you know, a button-down shirt that's fitted a little too tight, and, like, the highlights and the spikiness and the hair and the jewelry. Like, the aesthetic is just, like, so, so visceral to 2008. And I, God, I just, like, this show, it's like, it's like crack. It just hits.

And then they go back to the salons. And she makes over the salons. You know, everybody gets a takeover and a makeover. And when they go in and see the new salons, I mean, first of all, like, there's only so much you can do with a hair salon. It's not like when you do like extreme makeover home edition where it's like, oh my God, we're giving you this like 4,400 square foot home where all the bathrooms are like themed like baseball and cars and and there's an oasis in the backyard. It's like they're all just still going to be like the same retail space with like hair cutting chairs and mirrors

and blow dryers and like a front desk. So there's, I think there's always fun if you can do with the makeover. The funniest thing about the makeovers is that all of them look the same and all of them are so dated. Like they walk in and these people are like crying, gasping. They're like, I never thought the salon could look this good. And everyone has a purple wall. They're painting a wall purple no matter what. And they're putting those in the waiting area.

There's always those like big leather chairs. And you know the ones. Like when you went to somebody's house in the 2000s that had like a finished basement and they had that like big leather chair that's like overstuffed looking just like a puffy leather chair in either black or like chocolate brown. That just looks like the most 2004. Like you would see a commercial for Ashley furniture while you were watching like Gilmore Girls or something. And it'd be like coming down. This week like a leather sofa. chairs only the $4,400.

And every waiting room, every waiting room. Tabitha is putting in those big fucking leather chairs, painting a wall purple. There's going to be some like Zen situation happening. The first episode, they are doing a salon in Long Beach. And of course, the renovation features a giant Buddha statue right in the middle of the salon. It's like nothing could possibly be more 2008 long beach hair salon renovation. you know, this is exactly what they wanted. And they're all crying.

And they're all so happy. And, you know, they're going in and they're cutting. And sometimes she, sometimes she has recommendations about who's going to be, who's going to stay, who's going to go, who's going to get to raise their prices. But then the best part, I think I've said the best part, like six times. I really am enjoying this show. I think I'm going to keep watching it. But six weeks later, Tabitha gives back the keys. She's like, well, you better keep acting acting as if I'm here because you need.

never know when I'm going to come back. She comes back six weeks later, every single episode. And she walks in, and you never know what you're going to get. Because first of all, this is six weeks. This isn't like six months, a year, six years. You know, she was there like less than two months ago and has made specific changes and is going back to see how they're doing. And out of the four episodes I've watched, half of them just are fully not paying attention to anything that she said. Like the most recent episode I watched, it's this husband and wife couple. She goes to the salon. Neither of them are there.

And none of the other employees are like, oh, it's their like scheduled break. It's like, no, they're just not here. And they don't give a shit. And we're not. They didn't let us do the thing you said. We're not raising our prices. XYZ. Six weeks later, these people, these people don't give a fuck.

Tabitha just gave them a gift. She gave them the gift of salon management. And they're disrespecting the gift. I love that they are not, I love that on this show, they're not trying to like make it all sunshine and rainbows and like act like every single salon is just like perfect from here on out. Because here's the thing. These people are all small business owners. And yes, small businesses are so important and so great. But also some like dumb ass people start their own businesses and own salons and own every kind of business. And, you know, maybe a failing gay dance club, maybe a holistic wellness center. cafe treats. And I love that they're not kind of like pretending that all of these people magically change their whole personalities after Tabitha leaves because that just wouldn't feel realistic. And I feel like part of the joy of watching this show is that people are being expected to

change a lot in a short amount of time. And like, some of them just like, they don't have what it takes. You know, for every, for every salon owner who's going to act professional and stop, you know, kissing his customers and calling them like Bubby, there's going to be one who, who, who can't make it work and who doesn't want to clean up their act. And I think that's beautiful. And I think that Tabitha Salon Takeover is a binge. I would very much recommend.

And I can't wait to go watch more episodes of it. And maybe dig into some more Bravo Valt shows coming up. So let me know what you want to hear about. You know, Kathy Griffin is on there. We've got the Rachel Zoe Project. I haven't watched that in a super long time. There's lots of options. But I'm having a lot of fun with this one.

But in the meantime, thank you so much for listening. We'll be back with more new Bravo content later this week. But until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All podcast is produced by Dylan Hafer and Bell Roman. Editing by Bell Roman, social media by Dylan Hafer and Candice Maniga, guest booking by Ali Friedlander. VP of Podcast is Chris Allen.

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