Mention It All - Give Sutton A Raise (RHOBH)

Episode Date: August 12, 2021

Dylan and Bari begin the show by complaining about moving, but no one needs their security deposit back more than Erika Jayne. In this week’s RHOBH recap, an explosive article shifts the group dynamic, with Detective Sutton launching a full-scale investigation into Erika’s LLC. Meanwhile, Rinna and Garcelle’s tension isn’t going anywhere, and Kathy just wants a steak dinner. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. Oh, don't check me, though. And Barry Rosenfeld. I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep, we. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And if you're anything like us, we're sweating because it's humid and disgusting. And... I'm, speak for yourself. I'm doing okay right now. And if you're anything like me. I, no doubt I will be sweating like later, you know, right now I feel okay. It's like my bedroom where I'm recording right now doesn't get a lot of sunlight in the morning.

So it's like a little bit shady, you know, I'm doing okay. It's just like you go outside and it like hits like it. Yeah. Like it just, it's there's no words. to describe it. It's just uncomfortable. We were talking before we got in the air. I'm moving soon. And so last night I decided to pack all of my winter coats and things in a big suitcase. And literally I'm like in my room sweating like wrestling a puffer coat into a suitcase. Like there's no there's no proper way

to go about that. And like nothing is neat. Like it's not tidy. Everything's going to be wrinkled when I take it out of the suitcase. But it's like I just, God, Packing is, packing is intense. I know. And then you're like, you don't realize how much stuff you have until you're like, oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. And the fact, okay, the thing that's stressful, like, when you're packing to go on, like, vacation or to go home for a while, it's like, okay, like, I'll decide what I want to take.

Like, I can just, like, pick and choose. When you're moving, it's like, everything. I'm looking around my room and I'm like, I have to move every single item. Like, you can't leave things. I can, I can throw things away. I can take things to donate, but I can't, I can't just, like, leave it. And that is, that is extremely stressful because, like, I'm looking around and I'm like, wait, I have to pack, like, my candles. Like, I have to put, like, my, I have, like, a Karen Hugar prayer candle that I'm looking at.

I have to, like, tissue wrap that if I don't want it to break. God forbid. I'm not going to leave it. I can't. My lease is ending. I. I mean, they charge you, I think, but it's almost like sometimes it's easier. You're just like, I'm going to leave this. Can you throw it away?

Like, I just pay, I'll pay you to throw it away. I don't care. Okay. So I have been, I've been in my apartment for four years. And so like when we move out, we have to schedule a time for the building super to come and like inspect before we leave. And I am scared of like getting yelled at. Oh, like in general. Like, I mean in general, but at that inspection specifically, I'm, I feel. like he's going to look at like he's going to like yell at me for like this hole in the wall or like yell at me to come dylan do you want me to be there with you floor no i mean i have like i'll be fine

but you know i might need like a little like pep talk after you know like depending how it goes i'm like honestly like take whatever you want out of my security deposit just like please don't get mad at me oh see i for one can't really i'm like bring it bitch like i actually ended my lease before like when I moved out to I was as well there for four years and I ended it because it was like I wanted to move out at that time and so instead of giving us our security deposit back and charging us blah blah blah they took our security deposit and I would have loved to get that back because it would have been like an extra nice chunk but at the same time it's like I was like picking and choosing my battles and I was like here you go have fun with it I'm out yeah at the

I feel like I am my security deposit because I paid it four years ago. It feels like not my money anymore. And so if I do, assuming I do get it back, I'm going to be like, a check. Like. Exactly. It's like a bonus. You know who, you know who really could use a check right now? Is Erica Gerardi?

Because. But you know what? Like, so could I. I mean, yes. Certainly I could also use a check. But Erica can use both the bar check. Wasn't that good segue? Oh, how the tables.

Yes, I love that. How the tables have turned of us wanting to give Erica some money. I don't know if wanting to give Erica some money. I recognize that Erica needs the money. This episode, so we finish up the Lakinta trip. We're back in L'A. a little bit. It's interesting because this episode, if you look at it, like on the, timeline not very much happens because it really is just this last day in Laquinta.

They leave the next morning. And then we're back in L.A. and, you know, it ends with them meeting at Doreet's house for this meeting, but so much shifts within that short period of time that it feels like it's such a consequential episode. Like, even though it's not like a lot of different things happening, it's like, we're in a very different place than we were an hour ago on TV. Yeah, and we were talking last night, like so much information is coming out each episode that even Rina on Watch Shoppens Live last night was like, people are asking us questions and we're like, just finish the season. Like, you got to watch. But it's like this is real life stuff that's happening in real time, actually. So it's very confusing.

We're getting hit with different information every episode. We're giving our, like, we're recapping what happened, but then like something else in real time happens. and we're like, lawsuits, let me tell you, lawsuits on Real House Lives are really juicy and good. Yeah. But it's so hard to keep up with them because they're ever changing. And this was, so I think I remember earlier in the season, maybe Garcell was on Watch What Happens Live. And they were kind of talking about like, okay, so at this point in the season, what did you know? And she's like, we didn't know anything.

We knew that Erica filed for divorce and that was it. Like we weren't thinking about, you know, Tom's lawsuits and the. plane crash victims. Like, we didn't know about any of that. And it's interesting, literally every week as the episodes unfold, we're getting, they're catching up with what we know a little bit. And so this episode, I think, was kind of the biggest one yet where they've been getting Erica's side of the story this whole time.

And, you know, there are certain things that she's told them that are shocking or that are new information. But all of a sudden, the really scandalous. parts of it are now out in the public. And so we're seeing this week the women really have to grapple with what Erica may have known or may have done and how bad Tom's side of it is. And it's interesting to see how quickly we're sort of taking sides. And even before the article comes out, so we pick up where we left off, after Erica sort of freaked out on Garcel and Erica is just like so overcome with emotion.

And I mean, I think it's clear to us watching. It's clear to everyone there that there's something else happening underneath the surface. Which I believe we even said that last week. We're like, that's not right, right. That it's like Garcell can totally recognize like, okay, I shouldn't have said that. Sorry. I'm really sorry. But at the same time, I like that she is.

not willing to take responsibility for Erica's response because she knows that it's not really about her. And I think that's why it's like, it's frustrating to watch Rina be like, Garthel, like, why are you asking questions? Why can't you own it? And it's like, because she wasn't, she didn't do anything wrong. I really don't think. She didn't do anything wrong intentionally.

I agree. I don't. I, not I don't think. She was not asking questions to be like, she didn't do what she did, deliberately. She was like, but if you think about it and they even showed like flashbacks, like she does this, she does this. She asks questions. And like a lot of the time we're like, thank God Garsell's asking these questions. So like other people don't have to, you know, like she's doing the job that we all want. But at the same time, I kind of thought that too. I was like

why it didn't make sense to me either. Like why did you ask that and bring it up? And then that whole thing happened with production to production push that, whatever. So I feel like that's like an empty situation. We don't know. But I see both sides and that too because it's like, like I said, if that were me, I'd be mad if someone was pushing and asking. But at the same time, she's asking because she's your friend. And like you're willing to open up and give information.

Why stop there? Also, I don't think, I mean, Garcel definitely was asking questions. But the actual part about Tom calling, Erica, I don't, I don't think Garcel asked specifically about that. That seems like information that. Erica sort of just offered up to the two of them. And then like Crystal was saying, she didn't want them to tell. But yeah, I mean, also I just think it's a little hypocritical of Lisa Rina to be like, I mean, don't poke around in people's business because it's like,

Lisa, that's literally what you're known for. Come on. And then like on, it's so funny because again, on Watch Happens Live last night, she kept saying, she was like, well, like, first well, she mentioned carrying the show on her back. And I was like, maybe, I mean, maybe a few years ago. I don't think that's true anymore. This episode is brought to you by Prime. Obsession is in session. And this summer, Prime Originals have everything you want.

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That's Freedom to be. Use us directed. So then she does like what you just said. Like she's like, well, I know, have you ever met met? Like, I know what I do. Like she thinks about it after the fact. And she's like, I own it. Like I do.

But in the moment of those things, like she does it. But then Garcel wants to leave because like Rina made a comment. And Garcel was like, you know what? I'm out of here. And I was like, I would do the same thing if I were you. But then Kathy was like, come sit. Like, come sit. Whatever.

Erica leaves and the girls go outside. I want to know how you feel about this, like what your thought is, where now there's Garcell's like, okay, well, there's a reason the three of them are outside and we're in here. And I was like, wow, I didn't look at it like that. I kind of was like, they're walking her out

or they're seeing if she's okay. Like I Sutton Garcell and Crystal stayed inside and Doree and Kyle went out with Erica. And I was like, I don't know if I was, would necessarily look at it as sides as just like human nature. Yeah, I don't think it was necessarily as clear cut as Garsell made it sound, but I do think she is right in that the sort of lines are starting to be drawn and that

it's clear sort of who is going to stick by Erica no matter what. And we've seen that play out on social media and stuff in the last few months that clearly Rina, Kyle, and Doreet have decided that they're going to be. you know, team Erica. And I think in that moment, I didn't see it quite as much, but then basically as soon as the article comes out the next day, Sutton is obviously immediately not loving the vibe. You know, she's reading the whole article, asking a lot of questions,

she sets up this meeting, all of that. You know, Garcel and Crystal seem a lot more sort of objective about it. And basically, as soon as the article comes out, it's clear that, you know, Kyle and Rina and to a little lesser extent to read are like not not really buying that Erica was super involved. You know, they are more coming at it from an angle of being concerned for their friend, which I understand, but it also feels like they're sort of closing themselves off to the possibility that there could be something shady going on.

And so I think this is, this episode really was where, we started to see those lines being drawn. And it'll be interesting because after Erica left the house in Lakinta, we didn't see her again this episode, you know, like after the article came out. So I think it'll be really interesting to see, you know, next week and moving forward how the group really interacts with her. Because we see in the previews, like,

it's not going to be all fun and games. No. When Erica's with the group. No. And it also makes sense to all of us and the girls why Erica left, because I do believe she knew that the article was coming out. And that way everyone she knew would then know more information than she was giving them, which is made clear to them.

She wouldn't sit there and be like, guys, listen, I'll tell you an article's coming out tomorrow, which they're all wondering, why wouldn't she say that to them? I feel like in that's the situation that, like, Kyle and Jarede are in where they're like, why isn't she telling us this stuff? Like, why is she picking and choosing the information? Like, this stuff about Tom and the mistress. Like, Garcel asked straight up about that and she didn't answer. Like, Erica didn't tell her.

So it is weird that she's like, I'm going to tell you this, but I'm not going to tell you this. And I'm going to tell you this. And I'm not going to tell you this. Yeah. I have, like, I have mixed feelings about the idea that it's like, Garcena, like, Erica is supposed to be close with us. Like, why isn't she telling us all the details? I understand why she's not telling them everything.

Clearly there's a lot of shit going on. But I do think specifically with Garcel and the infidelity stuff, it's like at that point, like, you had already filed for divorce. It wasn't like Garcel was like digging around in your personal. If you were talking about like a rumor that was out there, like that seems weird. It's like at that, like, I don't know why Erica would lie about that at that point. like after she had already filed for divorce. So I do think Garcel, like, she already feels kind of uncomfortable

about some of the, you know, accusations and stuff that are happening with Erica. And then on top of that, she's like, well, she also was lying to me, you know, three weeks ago when I asked her a specific question. So on top of like any of the like legal stuff or whatever, Garcel doesn't really have much trust in Erica, I would think. And so it's funny that we're talking at dinner, like, Kyle's like,

Garcel, Erica might not be able to trust you for a while. And it's like, honestly, like, vice versa, too, like, same. I was just going to say that Kyle mentioned that, that she was like, she doesn't not like you. She's just not going to trust you. That was funny. Garcel's like, it's weird. It's weird. It's weird at that dinner that Kyle is like being like Erica's spokesperson. It's like, it's fine. Can I just say, even though this is like factual, I have never in my life seen more chic women like in my fucking life like I don't understand they do look great I just like they no effort like it's effortless not no effort it's effortless they're having a girl's night in and they are dressed to the nines and like designer like their their like casual is designer sweat

and they they're not even like I loved I loved Sutton's little red like blazer dress look I thought that was really chic um wait and love with Kathy was like you would waste that out for on a girl's night in. I did agree. I thought DeRite's outfit, she looked great. I thought it was a strange choice for that occasion. But Doreet,

every outfit Doreet wears would be essentially a wait. Like she's... For getting takeout from Ruth's Chris Stakehouse. They all, wait. That looked really good, by the way. I wanted a burger.

I just, like, even them going outside and waiting for Erica's car to come, like everything about her house, I just want to go to, I just want to be there. I want to sit on that couch. I want to have a charcutory board and a glass of wine by the fire. Like, I just, I'm like salivating thinking about it.

I want to, I want to wake up there and drink my coffee while Sutton explains an LA Times article. Okay. They go, you read the whole thing? And she goes, yeah. Yes. Like, I read the whole thing. And so they kept going over it and reading it. And then Sutton's confessional, she was like, I read it till nausea.

Like, she read it multiple times. And they were just like, wait, what part did you see that? They weren't getting it. She's like, they used the word Ponzi scheme. And they're like, where'd they say that? It's like, Lisa, you didn't read the article. Oh, my God. Okay, I do, we have to bring up.

I don't want to talk about it for too long because it was tough to watch. That conversation at dinner when Kathy, they, Kathy stumbles into the I don't see color trap again. which I don't know why. I don't even know like why we got back into this topic. But it just feels like at this point, I don't.

And then Doree, you know, says some, some rough stuff about how they have black and brown people working for them and all of this. And it's like, I just don't understand at this point

why more of these women don't realize that they should just shut the fuck up sometimes. Like, because I think for the most part, I don't think, especially with the Beverly Hills cast, I don't think most of these women

are coming from a place of, you know, purposeful hatred or racism or, like, I don't think they have, like, actual negative feelings about people who are different than them. I just think they are so, like, ignorant about the way they talk about this stuff.

And it's like, if you're on TV and you're being filmed and you're not, and you don't have like the vocabulary to talk about this stuff, just don't talk about it. Like say nothing, say less. Right. I agree. And I like though that Kathy was willing. She kept saying she was like, well, tell me if I'm wrong.

She like wanted it to be explained. And she said to Garcell, she goes, we should have a conversation. Like she was actually not arguing. And like she was, she was like, oh, maybe what I'm saying isn't right. And like I want to talk to Garcel about this. Because I think Kathy, like what you're saying, she's not racist. And I think she, in her mind, saying I don't see color, means, well, I'm friends with you, regardless of what your skin tone is. Like, not judging you.

But it came out. It's not, it's not for that time. It was, it's the kind of thing where it's like, I mean, obviously we've heard people say that before. We heard Sutton say it like six episodes ago. I understand where they're coming from. but it's like it feels like we, whatever they should all know by now. Like,

that's not the way to say it. Like, and also, I really, I do think it's a much different tone than like Ramona's conversations with Ebony where Ramona is like, la, la, la, I don't want to talk about this where I do, at least with this group of women,

I feel like they're coming from a place of like, they might not know the right thing to say, but I do think they want to do better. But it's like, it's still just, like, oh, God. Well, and Garcel made, I, Garcel made a really excellent point because she knows what she's talking about. But she said, when your children go out to drive, do you tell any of them, be careful? Like, when you get pulled over and every single one of them was like, no, not at all.

Kyle was like, no, I absolutely not. And Garcell's like, well, I do. Like, I do. And I was like, she's so, like, those one, like, examples that she gives is teaching them and is letting them know that that is how she lives a different life than they do. I love Garcel. I think she is, she's like knocking it out of the park this season for me. Also, this episode, we have a few different moments where Garcel and Crystal are sort of one-on-one together. And I love their relationship that's forming. Like, they seem just so supportive of each other. And, like, Crystal is so understanding of, like, when the stuff happened with Garcel and Erica, Crystal was like so there for Garcel to be like, like, I know that you didn't hear her say that.

Like, I know you wouldn't have brought it up if it was in that way. And then kind of like, you know, they're the one staying back at the hotel together. So they have, they're kind of unpacking this article together. Like, I really like that friendship. And I feel like they are very, um, I like that they have each other in this. Garcell's replacing, um, Sutton with Crystal. They're a friendship. But you know what makes me really sad. that Garcell at like the end of the episode like in her interview was like that she was basically feeling like she doesn't not that she doesn't fit in but that the women are making her feel like she's not 100% like included or like looked like looked at the same and I was like God damn it you are Carl cell you are we love you're doing you're doing the work that they all need to do Totally. Okay. So let's let's fast forward. We're back from Lakeinta, sadly. I could have stayed there forever. We like daydream about. Okay. So Sutton tells the girls she wants to have a meeting without Erica. Sorry, I just keep laughing every time they say the word meeting. Like, I know. She's calling for a meeting. It reminds me of, um, of Giselle and Robin wanting drinks with Mia without Karen. But like this time there's an actual reason. Yes. But question, why was it, why was she calling for this, not at her house?

I was wondering the same thing. I'm like, it's, I mean, I know that Sutton, she's hosted the women at her house this season. Like, I know she's, it's technically like temporary that she's living there, but like she lives there. Dylan, imagine I'm like, so I want to have like a dinner. Can I have it at your house? Can I have it at your apartment? I think it would be good if all the girls could get together. Der Rae, can you throw something together? Can you polish up your Gucci glasses? Doreet. The first four people who come get a Gucci glass. I was like, really, baby, you couldn't have bought two sets of four. So you have like, I feel like if you, if you can, you can't afford the, you can't afford the Gucci glasses if you can't afford two sets of the Gucci glasses. Like, I know that sounds like an insane thing to say, but it's like if you're like, if you're

springing for a whatever, I don't know. a $500 set of four and you're, you know you're going to entertain, like, buy two sets. Yeah, like, come on, Jerry, God, don't you know that? Like, I'm not, I'm not buying those. So it doesn't matter for me. But, um, Garsell would never just buy a set of four. Garcel would buy a set of eight, two sets of four.

Garcel wouldn't buy them in the first place. She'd be like, like, fuck no. You could have, I got my cups from bed, bed, bath, and beyond. Come on. It is funny to me that they're having like a midday meeting and half of these women are drinking like straight liquor. I know. They were like, what do you want to drink? What do you want to drink?

And they were, they were. Tequila rocks. Yeah. I was like, whoa, girls. It's the holidays. Somebody whoever got there first was like Belvedere on the strong side. I think it was Lisa. I'm like, damn.

2 p.m. Yeah. I was like, you guys know that none of you are in this lawsuit, right? Well, allegedly. So it's interesting because not only are they there to talk about all of the lawsuit stuff, but we find out that this is the day after Erica posted that infamous post with the screenshots from Justice Trisha A. Bigelow. Does that not feel like it was eight years ago? Yes.

I remember when you posted it on Bravo. Because she posted it at like 1145 p.m. And so all of a sudden I think I literally was in bed like with the light off. And I was like, yes, I'm working. But, yeah. Yeah, it's so interesting because all of them are kind of like shell-shocked from this post, which is how we all felt after that post. And yeah, it's interesting to watch these women kind of like process this in real time because I really do think this was like a day or two after they got back from Lakeita. So like things are happening quickly and they really don't know how to feel.

And honestly, I feel like when Sutton comes in and says she wants to, you know, maybe distance herself from Erica, I think they're sort of shocked to hear that just because they have, you know, people like Kyle and Derreet are still like processing all the information they've been presented with. Whereas I think Sutton has kind of like thought about it and come to a conclusion. And so I think that's what is really interesting to me to see how the women will react because like Sutton, I think is just thinking about it more kind of like methodically. Like she's kind of cut and dry like, okay, so if Erica's accused of doing this and if I do this with her, then I could be looped into this. And so she's really like, she's just thinking of it like a math equation where the rest of them have a lot more kind of feelings behind it. and it'll be interesting to watch that kind of play out. Have you ever seen the movie, The Other Woman? It's like, it's truly my favorite.

It's my favorite rom. With Leslie Manning Cameron. Yes. Yes. So it's my favorite rom-com and I watch it all the time. And then when this happened, I was like to make it easy for people to understand, that's exactly what it is. He was signing things.

He was having her signed things. And she didn't know that she was the owner. of one company, the CEO of one company. So when they found out he was doing all this legal stuff, he got left with nothing and she got everything because it was in her name. This is kind of like the opposite because it's in her name and

they're doing illegal stuff in her name. And so that's what Sutton was trying to explain to the women. It's all of the money that he allegedly stole whatever is going into her LLC. It doesn't matter if she was involved or not. It's under her name.

Therefore. It is funny. Like to hear Sutton talk through these things. Like last week she was talking about the forensics. And this week, she's talking about how, you know, any money in your LLC is your responsibility. If it's from Satan himself and the devil himself. The devil himself. And it's interesting because, right, right, right. Wrong show. Sutton is one of those people who is very selective in what she shares about her personal life. Like, you know, I think probably for legal reasons, she's never been able to get really deep into what happened with her divorce and her marriage. And she clearly doesn't really like talking about particulars of money.

But just the way that she discusses these issues, it's fascinating to me because you can tell that she has experience with this stuff and the way that she is kind of like woke to these issues, whereas I think a lot of these other women, they've never really put that much thought into it. And, you know, like Lisa's saying that, you know, she just has, when Harry gives her something to sign, she just signs it. And I think that's probably not unusual for, you know, these women. But I do think Sutton is bringing something so interesting to the show, not just because she's like, you know, talking shit about Erica, but because she really has a perspective from her divorce and from whatever experiences she has of like, this is how this works.

And like for this, this, this reason, this is bad. And I think a lot of the women can't really wrap their minds around that yet. But I love that Sutton is bringing that perspective. I agree. And she's like, we're, she was like, guys, we're all wealthy women. Like, we could all be in this situation. Right. And God forbid one day.

And so I totally agree with what you're saying where they are all like kind of overlooking it. And like Lisa was like, yeah, I sign it, whatever. When you're married to someone for this long, like it's whatever. Okay. But look at Erica. Erica was married to Tom for 20 years. That's a long time. And so Kyle was like, I know all my houses.

I know this. But it's like, okay, but maybe you guys should have more in-depth conversations. Like, I also do not care and have known nothing about these women's financial, like, situations. Yeah. But like, they're comparing it. Like, Kyle's like, I know my houses. So like, I'm good. Teresa, Judas went to prison for signing something her husband put in front of her.

Like, I don't think any, nobody has ever claimed that Teresa, was like the mastermind of that whole thing. She went to prison because she signed shit that was fraudulent. So, um, yeah, I mean, I, oh, God, I'm like so fascinated by this whole season right now. Like, I think they are the way they're putting it together is like so compelling. Of course, we get a two be continued because they don't know how to do it any other way anymore. But yeah, but there, I think it was so funny too. And Kyle was like, so what could happen to Erica?

and something was like she could go to jail and they were like, Erica can go to jail and they're like, yeah, what else? Yeah, it's illegal what is happening. Like it's a big deal. Right. And I think it's interesting with this case because there still aren't any criminal proceedings happening that we know of. There might be an investigation.

Still, Erica and Tom haven't been charged with anything. So it feels a little bit more like abstract, like theoretically at, at some point she could get charged with something. Whereas, like, if you look at Jen Shaw, she got indicted at the, and that was the first news we got. So, like, yes, she's facing criminal charges. Erica, it's way more up in the air. But if you're talking about, like, overall what possible ramifications there could be,

it's like, yeah, people, people face jail time for doing illegal shit. Like, it could happen. You know, you don't know. I think the craziest thing is that there's not even money from what they said. there's not even money. Like where there's no money. There's none. So, I mean, that just brings us back to that security deposit.

Erica needs it more than anyone. Full circle. But you know what? There's one minor, minor, minor thing about this episode we didn't talk about. And that is Harry Hamlin's acrylic nails. I just love the reason behind it that it's like, He gets them on one hand because he plays guitar and he doesn't want to use a pick. I love that there's such a simple explanation and it's just like, yeah, like, you don't want to use a pick.

I didn't realize that was a thing. Like, I didn't realize you, like, needed nails like that to play guitar. I think people just use picks. That's why I don't think it's like a thing. I think, like, you just use a guitar pick. I remember one time, I remember one time I wanted to learn to play guitar and my mom was like, I don't think you have the finger dexterity for that. And I was like, devastated.

I was like, no, you're supposed to tell me. I can do anything I put my mind to. Absolutely. Do you want to hear an even sadder situation? Why not? In elementary school, you know how you pick an instrument to play, whatever. So I picked the flute because, like, duh. And I had an underbite.

So no sound would come out. And we couldn't figure out like how. And so I was forced to switch instruments. And I'm so glad because I played the clarinet and I was fucking awesome at it. Wait, I played the clarinet for two years. Oh my God. Isn't it the best? We should have like... I don't know. I wasn't that into it. Like, it was like fun sometimes, but I just didn't want to practice.

Yeah, we were also in fifth grade. So times have changed, you know? That's true. Well, whether you're playing clarinet or, you know, dodging the feds, we hope you enjoyed this episode. Thank you for listening. No in between. We'll be back next week. Maybe some people are playing clarinet and dodging methods. That would be... That should be a Netflix, Doc.

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