Mention It All - Gossiping With The Ghostwriter Ft. Emily Liebert (Shahs, RHONJ)

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

Bari and Dylan are joined by bestselling author Emily Liebert, who is known to Bravo fans as the ghostwriter behind Teresa and Margaret’s books. Emily shares some secrets about her process of working with celebrity authors, and dispels some misconceptions about working with a ghostwriter. Earlier in the episode, Bari and Dylan recap the Shahs of Sunset trip to Palm Springs, and try to calculate how long they could last on $1700 of groceries. You can buy SkinnyPop at retailers nationwide, or go to the Shop Now page on skinnypop.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All. A Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With Dylan Hafer. Who don't check me, boo? And Barry Rosenfeld.

I need to start drinking alcohol. Now go to sleep week. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer. And I'm Barry Rosenfeld. And I want to say happy Medicine Monday so bad. But I just feel like we need to come up with a new.

It's never medicine. Monday. It's just never medicine Monday. Happy Monday. It's, you know, I'm trying to think of another. It's a muggy Monday. It's a little humid outside. I don't know. I'm not ready for this. I'm not ready for the heat. How was your weekend? It was nice. It was hot. So hot. But a lot of family time had to spend some time with the fam, which was nice. But yeah, the heat. I'm not ready. Like I'm so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I want it to be like a high 60s, 70s in the May, in the May, in May. And now it's not about 90.

I want it to be like warm spring weather, not like summer weather right now. And it's stressing me out because like I know I'm going to be sweaty like July, August. Like that's going to happen. But I'm like, I don't want to be blasting the AC now. Like, let me live with the window open. Yeah, I turned my AC on for the first time ever like this weekend. And, you know, it's just like.

Like, I'm not ready to pay for that yet. Like, it just all happened so fast. Oh, God. It's a slippery slope, too, because once you have it on, you get used to it. And then it feels bad to not have it on. And you're like, come down. I'm just like warm. Do you want to know what the worst thing ever is?

Tell me. Not showering, but showering and then sweating when you get out of the shower. Yep. Uh-huh. In the summer, the worst is you have to like pre-plan when you're showering before you're going somewhere. because if you shower too close to the time you're leaving, then you're getting dressed while you're sweaty. It's not good.

Okay, enough of our, enough of us complaining about being sweaty. We have a really fun interview in the second half of this episode with Emily Liebert, who worked with both Margaret Josephs and Teresa Judice on their books. She's a ghost writer, and we talk all about ghostwriting and why it is nothing to be ashamed of and her experience of working with the housewives and being on housewives. So definitely stick around for that interview. But before we get into it, we are going to talk about Shaz of Sunset, which was on last night. Barry, how do you feel about Shaz of Sunset?

I mean, you know I feel very strongly about this show. It's one of my fives. Lots of feelings. Last night, I know it was only the second episode of the season, but it was a little, it was a little slow for me just because we're already getting into a cast trip. So, of course, and there's, what makes it good, though, is that there is still so much tension with this cast because we see them take two. I don't know if they both took Hummers like on purpose. Like, I don't know what that, why they did that.

Oh, my God. But they took two there, which I think was nice. I think that was good. Two giant stretch limousines that they were taking from wherever they are in L.A. to Palm Springs, which is just not that far. And they said two hours, which I guess seems or is correct. They know. I don't believe it. And I loved that Reza and Destiny and Gigi, they were like, you know, separated in these cars by who they have tension with.

They had to stop and go grocery shopping on the way there. And they spent $1,700 on two days of groceries, which is the exact same vibe of when the Beverly Hills women went camping a couple of years ago. And we're just buying the entire grocery store. Okay. So I literally put that in my notes because I was like group grocery store trips are mayhem. They're mayhem. They're going for, I don't remember how long they're going to prompt Pop Springs for,

but they got like $1,700 is in, is an insane. Like I couldn't wrap my head around that, that amount for a grocery store because we've seen housewives spend like hundreds. We saw the New Jersey when they went camping, grab everything. But it's like caged animals you let into the store. And they were just, they grab anything they could see. Also, they're going to Palm Springs. There's probably grocery stores there if they need something.

I'm trying to, I'm not like a, I'm not like a budgeting kind of girl. So like I don't know exactly. But like I doubt I spend $1,700 on groceries like in a year. Okay. I don't know. Maybe I do. I thought you're, yeah. A year is a long time.

So like maybe if you include like ordering food too. What's 17 divided by 5,700? You feel like you would know this on like before I would. So but also guys, if anyone out there does budget, like let us know because we I, I, my parents have been asking me to do that for a really long time. No, 17. Wait, okay. I'm literally getting with a couple.

out. We need to figure this out. This is a crisis. Because also they got majority they got was cheese. They got a lot of cheese and like hummus and bread, which. Okay, 1700 divided by 52 is $32. So I feel like I might spend more than that. But if I needed to, I could make it on $32 a week of groceries. Absolutely. But they did that in one trip. And it's just, it's just so funny because they entered the house. And Reza, I think, was expecting like a red carpet and like an applause and everything. But he was mad because it was giving me Ramona vibes. Like truly. He was like, we didn't even get greeted. And like there's groceries. Okay, but I wanted to reverse a little bit and be like, Reza, they didn't know you were here. Half the house was like in their own rooms.

Like they didn't know you were in the house physically yet. So like just come in and be like, hey guys, we have a bunch of groceries. Can everyone just come out and help? Like, I don't, I seemed very simple to solve. It was interesting. He and the three of them clearly thought that since they bought the groceries, they shouldn't have to unpack the groceries. And it's like, I don't know if that's how the world works, but if you really feel that strongly, just, just say it. Like, don't be like, nobody's going to the car to pick up the groceries. It's like, just ask them. Yeah, I mean, and I wasn't greeted. Like, listen. And, and yeah, exactly, Dylan. very simple to just like use your words like with those type situations and just like make it

a lovely house then especially oh my god i really have been always wanting to go to palm springs never been it looks very chill and relaxing i don't know if we it's not on this trip but you know we we have time to work on that i feel like everyone i've been seeing so many people go to palm springs lately and i'm like are there just like are there just like houses everywhere that are just like available for my like gay friends to have their like drunk weekends. Okay. I feel like how many houses are there? We would have to definitely choose if we go to Palm Springs if we're spending $1,700 on the house or on the food because I don't think.

Oh, yeah. No, my budget. My budget's not there. We're about to see Beverly Hills go to Palm Springs to Vanderpump Rules just filmed a trip there. It's the spot. I mean, I guess if you're in L.A., it makes sense. I guess so. But let me just say that MJ,

in this season so far, should I say? But this episode, first of all, she looks amazing. Second of all, she seems to be like the, the, what's the word I'm looking for? I don't know. Like the mother figure? Or the, yeah, like, she's, the grand, oh my God, MJ is a grand dom.

But like, there's no actual fighting going on, but like you can feel it with Gigi and MJ because even Gigi said their, their arguments and their problems go back years. It was never settled. So I feel like I like how they're cordial right now. I agree. She looks.

First of all, she looks banging in her confessional looks. So good. But yeah, like MJ seems to be a little more at peace this season. And like she can have her, like, she still has her issues with people and she can like be involved in the drama.

But she doesn't seem as like reactionary. Or like, we definitely see in this episode, when he's with Nima, like, Reza is still that person who can go from like zero to 100 real quick and be like shouting and storming out of the room.

Whereas M.J. sort of feels like she is like trying to keep a little more of a chill vibe. And I feel like that is, that's like good. I feel that's good, a good choice for her because it doesn't, everything doesn't need to be so heated. You can have your disagreements with someone without it being like,

you're a little bitch. Go get your nose done. I was like Reza and then he goes to call Adam and he was like I I said something really bad. I called Nima a bitch. And I was like, well, I feel like you've said way worse than that before, but whatever. But I love how then Nima you go to Nima. Nima goes 50, 50. I'm going to knock him out this at this trip. I was like, Nima, no, you're not.

And then like I was laughing. And then the next scene, it's like, hey, bud, are we good? And then like they high five, which is great. We don't, we don't want to see like fighting, whatever. But like they both said stuff that just like didn't make sense. It was really like weird and like not. Neema. grown men to be doing.

Nima will never get in a physical altercation because he's too scared that somebody will knock out a tooth. He paid good money for those. I, I would imagine. I don't know. But, but we also meet MJ's friend London, which like, are we going to be seeing a lot of her this season? I'm not sure. Yes. She's like a friend of, but they gave her an official cast photo.

So like she definitely is in the group. fabulous. She seems like she's fitting right in, but also like an educational figure. Right. Like she kind of has her shit together maybe a little more than some of the people in this group. So she kind of like, she's like a friend, but also like a healer kind of. It seems like. Yes. And she's like getting deep with Gigi about how she feels in her relationships. And she's like telling Nima and Mike, or Nima and Reza that they should like say nice things about each other. It's interesting to have a presence in this group that is, like, actually trying to help with the conflict,

because I feel like normally this is a group where everyone is kind of, like, very into their own thing. And so it's like, you're never going to have, like, destiny is never going to be, like, actually putting her own stuff aside to help a situation. Like, it's always going to be about her. And, yeah, I like London's vibe. It's cool that she's gay and, like, out and proud about it.

Like it's it's she seems like a fun little addition. They go, um, I love how she goes. Is she from London? Like they were all like before they got there. They're all asking. And then when they saw her, Mike was like, so you're a Persian. Mike asks anyone he's in front of. Are you Jewish?

Cause he's always like, are you Persian Joe? But, um, you know, I, they all come from the same yet different, uh, backgrounds, I guess and the way they were like brought up. So it's nice to see them all. kind of converse about like what they went through. And I like seeing that side of all the cast members on the show. But listen, I'm very nervous for next episode because we see Paulina arrive. And I don't know if that's a surprise, which I'm assuming it is.

But because I don't feel like she was supposed to be on the trip. But I'm a little nervous at the same time because I don't know of her and Mike. Mike seemed to be in a good place. So, like, for her to just, like, arrive at Palm Springs while there is, like, an alleged cheating rumor with this entire group is very concerning to me. Yeah, clearly the group has some mixed feelings about what's going on with Mike and Paulina.

So it's going to be really interesting to see how they deal with that next week when Paulina shows up. But with that being said, it is time to grab the Skinny Pop moment of the day. As we know, endless entertainment calls for endless popcorn. And luckily, every kernel of Skinny Pop is so light, crunchy and delicious that I can eat it by the handful or even the bagful. My grab the skinny pop moment from earlier in this episode was when London said that in the group she had only met Reza and then she had kind of met Mike because she met his penis.

And I don't know what she means by that. She said that his penis was texting her friend when they were hanging out. I don't know if that is in the form of a dick pick or some more complex metaphor, but I'm interested to find out what she means by that. But I don't actually know if I want all the details, if I'm being honest. I mean, seems like a dick pick. That's just what I'm gathering from that. But, like, there is definitely more detail that we don't know about.

But my grab this skinny pot moment, I'm sorry, got to go back. It's the grocery store trip. It's just like it's everyone running in different aisles, back and forth, grabbing whatever. It's almost like they're on a supermarket sweep. Like, it just gives me a lot of Aja watching these groups go grocery shopping. Yeah, so that is, I almost, I needed more Skinny Pop as long as they were in the grocery store. See what I did there? Those are today's Grab the Skinny Pop moments.

And you can grab Skinny Pop yourself at Retailers Nationwide or go to the Shop Now page on Skinny Pop.com. Now, like I said before, we have an interview coming up with Emily Liebert, ghost author of Teresa and Margaret's books. So don't go anywhere. It's a really fun interview. And I think you guys will really enjoy it. Plan B is a backup birth control option that's. there for you when things don't go according to plan. It specifically works after unprotected sex and before pregnancy occurs by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is available nationwide at all

major retailers and through delivery apps like DoorDash. No ID, prescription, or age requirement. It's the number one OBGYN recommended brand of emergency contraception and it won't impact your future fertility. That's Freedom to Be. Use us directed. Welcome back, everyone. We are now joined by bestselling author Emily Lieber, who you might know from Real Housewives of New Jersey. Emily, thank you for joining us. How are you? Thanks for having me. I'm good. How has life been, shall we say? Where's been getting better? Well, that's good. That is good. Getting out into the world again, you know, going out to dinner and things like that, wearing every piece of jewelry and all the clothing I own because I haven't worn them in a year.

So, you know, I feel like things turned very much. very quickly. And now all of a sudden there's no masks anywhere and I don't know what to do or how to act. It's weird. It's like I, some, I went into a grocery store yesterday and they were like, it's optional if you want to wear your mask. You're vaccinated. And I, you feel like you're losing an appendage now. When you take the mask off, it's crazy. I have my, yeah, I have my like, Jill Zarin masks and I'm like, what, what's going to happen when I don't use these anymore? Like hang them on the wall, hang them in like a clothes. line. Broms them. Like people, you know, where people used to do that with their like little kid shoes.

You could bronze. That is very sweet. So Emily, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background as an author? Because obviously people have seen you on Real Housewives and we know kind of a little bit about your work in that sphere. But you have a lot of other stuff going on.

So can you tell us just a little bit about that? I do. So my quote unquote real job, when I'm not on real house lives, is writing novels, my own novels and my own name. So I've written seven books of my own, and I'm now working on my eighth book. One of my books, Pretty Revenge,

which was my sixth book, was just attached to a big actress. So we're hoping, I can't say who, but we're hoping that will become a television show, which would be really exciting. So I'm kind of having my hand in that now and reading writers, screenplays, and all sorts of things, which is always fun.

I was a travel writer for many years, so I write a travel and books column for all of the lifestyle magazines in Connecticut, where I live. And what else do I do? Oh, I have two children. Does that count? I'm a mom. No, no, no.

We don't want. I have this man who lives here. He calls himself, my husband. And so I'm also a wife. And gosh, what, oh, and then, you know, I don't want to say as a side gig, but as a side gig, I guess, I occasionally go to write books for people who seem fun and interesting to ghost write books for. Yes. Okay. So that's how, that's how you came into our sphere. And we are so grateful. And I want to know how did you first get involved in specifically the world of housewives? We know you've worked with Teresa and Margaret. What was kind of, you know, how did that happen? So when Teresa was writing Standing Strong, her most recent book, she was looking for a collaborator, a ghostwriter.

And I want to say through our agents and through a mutual person that we knew, I was introduced to Jim, who's her lawyer and manager. You've seen him on the show many times. And they needed someone pretty quickly because they had like six weeks to write the book or something really crazy. And it just so happened that I had just handed in a novel of my own. And when you do that, you sort of have like a little short waiting period before like the copy edits come back to you. So it was really serendipitous. I just had this win. know, this project kind of fell into my lap and Jim and I really connected. And then I met Teresa for dinner one night and literally the next day we started writing the book. Oh, wow.

So did you watch the show before working with either? Of course. I did. I know. There was always a little judgy. It was all in sort of, quote, getting the job because I already knew so much about her, you know, or from what I'd seen on television. And Teresa is really, with her, she's what you see is what you get. Yeah. So it wasn't, you know, there were no big surprises. She's a really amazing person.

She's an amazing mom. And she's become a very good friend of mine. That was something I wanted to ask about, you know, kind of knowing some context of her life and what had gone on. Do you think it's, is it more difficult if you have to kind of just take what they tell you and not have any kind of additional? information about that person, or do you like having kind of a blank slate to work from? No, I like knowing as much as I can. So there's another television personality that I'm working with now, who I also can't say who, not a housewife. But I hadn't watched her show prior to the job coming to me. And so I binged like seven seasons of the show.

Dylan and I are like trying to calculate who it is. You want to get an understanding also to, like, who the people are in their lives. Right. And it's much easier that way when they reference them. So with Teresa, I was lucky because I had already, I didn't have to do that. I had already been watching the show. And then I also wrote with Margaret Joseph. And interestingly, she did not come to me through Teresa.

She came to me through her hairdresser, Julius Michaels. and he had also worked with Tamara and another friend of mine and we knew each other and she had said she was looking to write a book and it just so happened that like my friend was at the hairdresser that day and my name came up and so that's how that happened. She did let Teresa, we did let Teresa know and make sure it was like cool with her, but that was well after Teresa's book had come out. So, yeah. And I want to read a Tamara Judge book.

That sounds. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, she was wanting to write one for a while, but just ended up for whatever reason. It was many years ago. It ended up not happening. But I am also working, which I can say, I'm working with Bronwyn as well. Oh, amazing.

She, if anyone has like some juicy stories to tell, I feel like it's going to be Bronwyn. He's got a lot going on. That's amazing. Do you find working with someone as a co-author easier than writing your owner? Is it just a completely different process? It's a very different process. And I kind of go back and forth. So before I started writing my own books, I would have called myself more of a journalist.

I was a magazine editor. I wrote for a lot of magazines, newspapers. I used to work at ABC News. And the ghost writing kind of appeals and satisfies that part of my work personality because it's more of an interviewing process and talking about your stories and going back and forth. So I love that. But usually when I finished a ghost write, I'm like ready to like close myself in a room by myself and write my own book. And then I'm lonely and I want to do another ghost ride and actually interact with some. somebody. So yeah, they are very different. The ghost rights are easier because I don't have to

make up a plot. The story is already there and I don't have to like, you know, like figure out the story and, you know, put things in that are going to surprise people or worry about that aspect of it. So I would say they're easier in that way. What's more challenging, of course, is that I have to get the person's voice exactly right because it's written in their voice in the first person. And with my own books, it's my voice or the voices that I created of the characters. So that's easier from that perspective. I will say we had Margaret on the podcast when her book came out earlier this year

and we both read part of the book. And like from the first page, I was like, oh, it sounds like Margaret. So good job, I guess. Thank you. Margaret was very, very collaborative in this. process and she wrote a lot. She edited a tremendous amount. She added a lot of stuff. She really did a great job of once the first draft was done because we didn't have a lot of time either. We had a little more time, but we only had nine weeks, which is a really short. I ended up writing Teresa's book

in like five and a half weeks, which is crazy. Yeah, it sounds crazy. I write my books in probably five, six months. And that's actually considered very quick for novels. But between five and nine weeks is crazy. I'm actually writing another book right now for a big CEO and designer of a fashion brand. Emily, you're killing us with the... I'm there a lot and I can't say it soon, though.

Moral of the story, you've got to follow Emily because clearly you have a lot of exciting projects coming up. I'm at Emily Liebert on Instagram, so it's easy to find. But it was funny because we just got the deal for her book. And she was like, it's due in like December. And I was like, what? We have six months to write the book. She's like, should we get going?

Like, should we? I was like, this is amazing. I've written every other ghost write in like five to nine weeks. And now all of a sudden I have six months. So I'm like, woo. Listen, it takes me longer to read a book in that time than to write one. So you're going to be longer to read some books too. I got to find time to read, right?

Yeah. It's interesting because I feel like as someone who I like writing, I write for my job, but I haven't written a book or even tried to write a book. It's like in my mind, I'm like, I don't know, it takes three years to write a book. So it's interesting to hear. People that long. I mean, that is a thing. It does take people that long.

It's interesting to hear that your process can be kind of adapted to what the deadline is in some of these cases. Yeah, you got a hustle. Yeah. I'm just like so in awe. Like I've never, I don't think I've ever talked to or interviewed an author. And even when I read a book, I'm always like,

how did that? It takes so much talent that I feel like is not. Maybe it's recognized. Maybe I don't think it. But it's just so crazy that you think of these. And in my mind, the readers are like, what's next?

What's next? But on the other end, there's someone who wrote that. Like, so that person knows what comes next and what happens. And it's just like, It's so cool. You have like a town that not everyone can do.

I feel very underappreciated too. Thank you for saying that. I mean, I recognize you. I wish people would, you know, sort of like obsess over me a little bit more. Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes.

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I was like, oh, I feel like she has an answer to this one. I do. I feel like there's a misconception that when someone ghost writes a book, they just write the entire thing and that the person you're ghost writing for has no involvement in it. And that's completely not true. The first book that I wouldn't say ghost wrote, but it was a collaborative effort.

I more edited it was Carrie Kennedy's book, being Catholic now, which was, I think, in 2009. And she, I mean, she did all the interviews. So she really did all of the legwork with Teresa's book, also completely collaborative. Margaret's very, very much. So it's really a back and forth. They tell me their story.

I sort of write a first draft. I send it to them. they make changes, add stuff, subtract stuff, we talk about stuff. So there's this misconception that it's this horrible thing to have a ghost writer write your book, but Michelle Obama had a ghost writer. I mean, everyone who is not a writer, I mean, I'm not going to try to like go be a lifeguard or go be a, you know, a psychologist or something like that. That's not my job. So I would need someone to help me that. Those might be the two worst examples I could ever get. But the point is that these people are not writers. They have other jobs and they do other things. And yes,

they know their voice. Yes, they can contribute and collaborate. But there's a misconception that people who go straight just don't do any of the writing on their book. And that's just not true. I feel like, yeah, it's important. Because obviously these people have stories that are worth, you know, telling in a book, but just because you don't have the skill set to, like, sit down and write 300 pages, doesn't mean that we shouldn't get to enjoy that book, you know? In a lot of cases, with someone like Margaret, I mean, she's filming the show. She's running a hugely successful company, which takes a lot of work. She's, you know, renovating her house.

She's, they have a zillion things going on. And one thing I really got to see, when I wrote with Teresa, she wasn't filming at the time. They had just ended filming. But with Margaret, obviously since I was on the show, the filming was going on during our writing. And it's a tremendous time suck. And it really, you know, there's a lot of last minute and we're coming today, we're coming tomorrow,

we're staying all day. You know, so your schedule really isn't your own. It's tough. Yeah. Were you ever uncomfortable being on the show or you just looked at it as part of the job? Part of the job. Yeah.

It's not like, I mean, I've gotten 90,000 messages now from people asking if I'm joining. Ask. I am not joining the Housewives of New Jersey. One really obvious thing is, I don't live in New Jersey. So I cannot go to the Housewives of New Jersey. I was asked many years ago to interview for Housewives of New York when strangely also I lived in Westchester, not Manhattan.

So I don't know how that would have worked out. They said something about me like moving into my parents' apartment, it, which was hysterical because that was not happening with the whole family. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, they try to, you know, like, and I'm not the person who's going to go, like, rent a house or an apartment somewhere just so I can be on a show. Right. It's so fun to do it just, like, come on and do it for a few episodes and hang, but honestly,

there was one episode that you probably saw where the cast came on my boat. and by the end of filming that day, which was a full day, I felt like I had been run over by a train. Like, I had dinner plans that night and I had to cancel them because I literally didn't have any life left in me. People think it's not a hard job

being a housewife and it totally is. We get it. It is. It's funny. You know, people are say, like, models have it easy. But they do it. You know, and models are like, it's not easy, you know? It's not easy. Well, you heard it here first.

exclusive season 12 casting news. Emily Lieber is not joining in New Jersey. In any of the franchises. That's amazing. I'm curious. So we know that you're still good friends with Teresa. You know, you were at the Halloween party that we saw

on the show. You posted for a birthday. What is it like transitioning from writing with someone to just having them in your life in a more general capacity? It's really easy. I mean, Teresa and I hit it off immediately.

Like the very first day I showed up at her house, she was like, I love you. I love you. And then she's like, you need Botox right there and there. And you need some hair extensions. And I was like, don't hold back. Like, tell it to me, you know. And I think we went in her closet. And I was like, really?

Are we wearing this? Like we just hit it off immediately. And we, you know, it's been, I think, four or five years now since her book came out. And I don't. think of her in that way anymore. Like, I was just texting with her last night. So I watched the, I never get to watch something in real time, but I watched the reunion last night in bed because I thought you might ask me something about it. I didn't want to embarrass myself. So I watched it. And I was, I was texting with her and actually with Jennifer,

Jennifer this morning, who's also a great girl. Well, thank you for prepping for our show, by watching. Okay. So I'll bite. Have you met Louis? I have not met him in person yet. We have spoken over the phone and I was bummed. The last time I was at her house, he was on his way there, but I had to run. So I didn't get to meet him in person, but we just were texting about making some plans. So, but I'm so happy for her. So, so happy for her. We had Dolores on a couple weeks ago and she was just gushing about Teresa's newfound love. So definitely it seems like everyone's on the same page there. Yeah, he seems like a really great guy.

He seems to be just over the moon for her. And the fact that the girls like him is a really big deal, Trace's daughters, you know. That's amazing. So we're all extremely happy for her. Good. My only bummer is I couldn't find her a nice Jewish guy, which is what she thought she wanted.

Well, you can look for me. You can definitely get for me. Like don't stop. Don't stop. looking. I'm on. Just funnel the request to Barry. Okay.

So then one more. Do you think that Jennifer Aden has a book in her future? Because she loves to talk. So I feel like she could, she could have a lot to say. I never say never. You know, that's definitely a possibility for Jennifer. I think she would have great stuff to say. Oh, gosh.

I'm nervous of that. We're going to come. So, okay. So what is next for you? You said you're in the. middle of writing a book or you're going to start writing a book. Can you tell us that? I am just sort of mapping out my own next novel. So that's exciting because that's always fun to figure out what I'm going to write about and stressful. Yeah. And because you want to be good.

And I'm working on a few ghostwriting projects, which are in different phases and definitely loving that. So, you know, if anyone out there is looking for a great ghost writer and you're interesting and you think someone's going to want to read your book, let me know. I've gotten a lot of people reaching out to me after the show. Everyone in the world apparently has an amazing story that has to be told. By the way, all their friends think would make an amazing book. Of course. Of course. And but that doesn't mean it won't. And actually, there's another Housewife book coming out soon by Brian Moyland. Do you guys know him? Yes. Yeah. And I'm doing an event with him in Westport, for him. I'm hosting an event at Barnes & Noble in June for him, which is exciting.

Amazing. So he did write some funny, you know, sarcastic things about me in my boat in his column. And so I had to, you know, kill him with kindness and throw him a book party. And, and, And yeah, just doing my thing. And if everyone wants to follow me, as I said, I'm at Emily Liebert on Instagram. Come join the fun. We definitely will. We can't wait to find out what all of these projects you're teasing are because I'm sure they're going to be. I'll have to come back.

I'll have to come back and tell you about them. Of course. Totally. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Emily. This has been so fun. Thanks for having me. Go follow her, check out. her novels as well. And yeah, enjoy. Thanks, Emily. And I got to find Barry a man. Yes.

Yes. That's the next order of business. Prioritize, please, before your next novel. Thank you so much. I'm just going to set the point in time for now. Team find Barry a boyfriend. Obviously. Thanks, Emily. All right. Bye, guys. Thanks so much for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed that interview with Emily. We will be back on Tuesday night with another episode. In the meantime, and don't forget to rate, review, and follow this podcast so you don't miss. thing and just be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Sean Kilby and Jorge Morales Pico.

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