Mention It All - Haha, Laugh, Funny Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHONJ Reunion)

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Dylan and Jordana are back amid the New York smog to recap an equally toxic RHONJ reunion episode. While the guys split into gangs backstage, the women continue to talk in circles, with no Melissa and Teresa progress in sight. Finally, we get to the bottom of the Laura rumor, with Danielle realizing her status as the fall guy. Later, they discuss Jennifer’s reluctance to go deep on her marriage, and the looming darkness of Louie’s intimidation tactics. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, here for part two of the New Jersey reunion. And you know what that means? I'm here with Jordana. How's it going? Hi, Dylan.

So excited to be back. You were commenting, you know, I'm pretty tan today. I'm in Jersey mode. You're in Jersey mode. New York City's in smog mode I feel like this this like smoke cloud

that's over us kind of feels appropriate for the tone that's being said at the New Jersey reunion It does It got, it was tense I mean very clearly

It's been tense This episode We, the guys are coming out at the very end So that means that during this episode We get a few flashes backstage of the guys

kind of like hanging out I mean appearance and the vibes are not good. The vibes are like they're in gangs. Like each room looks like they're, I feel like I'm watching the outsiders. Like the, you know what I mean? Like Louis shirtless, he's like, they're like talking shit.

It feels like they're like ready to go into battle. Yeah. Very funny. I've not thought about the outsiders since like seventh grade English class. But that's a good, that's a good reference. Yeah. It's like dressing room one and dressing room two. And it's funny because in dressing room one, you see it's like Nate.

Louis and Bill, I guess. No, Polly. Polly's in there. Yes. And, you know, Nate's like, wow, it's pretty calm. You know, we're just hanging out. Louis doesn't have a shirt on. Like, it's very just like the three of them don't really have anything to say to each other.

And then in the other dressing room, it's like Frank, Joe, Joe Benigno. Like, everybody's kind of like juiced up, like, ready to go. Oh, yeah. And Frank's like, you know, the vibe changed this year. The only thing that changed is that Louis here. And, you know, he fucked over Frankie. It was hard to hear anything Frank said when I was just sort of like blinded by his teeth. Frank has definitely had the like housewife special when it comes to like the work done.

But yeah, like there's this weird thing that we didn't really hear about, about how young Frankie was working for Louis company that apparently just shut down. But then he kind of got ghosted by Louis. Right. So that's, you know, Frank, Frank feels like he has this personal. bone to pick. And then that's on top of all the Bo-Dietel, private investigator, layer of stuff

that's happening. So, like, this dressing room, too, is, like, really amped up to go out and see Louis. Yeah. I'm like, I feel like next week is going to be the best part. I don't I say best. I mean, like, the most dramatic intense. Yes. I think the thing is, with the women on stage,

I think because Melissa and Teresa are at this point where they cannot have a conversation about, anything, it feels a little bit like we're just going in circles. And you can tell that Andy kind of feels that way too, that it's like, you know, a segment will start out about Rachel Fuda and then five minutes later, it has devolved into like, you're a bitch. You're a bitch. Okay. You're weak. You're week. You're weak. You're weak. And it's like, this was Rachel's segment. Yeah. It's extremely uncomfortable. And they managed to make, like you said, like they managed to make any of the other drama about them or like pick up on a line.

then just make it from there. Like, what was the thing with, um, uh, I'm going to call my ex. Yes. It's like, oh, oh, yeah, Channing Taman. I like Channing Taman. Yeah, it's very, it's kind of like, it's entertaining to watch, I think, because we were seeing like a snippet of it. Yeah.

But I'm sure in person, when it's like 10 hours long and it's just constant, it does probably feel like a little draining. That's a good point that there are some reunions where you're like, release the footage. Like, I would love to. know everything like Vanderpump right now is very like show me as extended of a cut as you can whereas this it's like oh it would be overwhelming I imagine totally to be in that room for because again they're just saying the same things over and over together it's not like you're learning something new really about right about their feud and I think that's kind of the the tough thing

about where this show is kind of overall and this reunion is the crystallization of that is like this can't continue the way that it is. is going right now. There's no path forward. There's no productive moment to be had. It's just kind of like, it doesn't seem like anybody really has like the Trump card that's going to be like I won. It's just like you're going to bicker with each other until the end of time.

Yeah. I guess I mean, if you think about like who wins, if they're both laying down a, oh, it doesn't sound like their breath. Teresa's laying down a like, I'm not seeing you again thing. Then like, we're going to find out who wins. because we're going to find it who's cat. Like when we find out who's, like when we find out when, when do they start filming? They must be relatively soon.

So I think in the past they would have started filming maybe in like July, but there's some rumblings that they might be like holding a little longer this season before filming to kind of like let things shake out a little bit, decide what direction they want to go in. I feel like with every Bravo show at this point, people are really quick to use the like on pause terminal. And it's like them waiting one extra month to start filming is not any meaningful pause. It's just like, yeah, it's June right now. The season is just not even over yet. And they're going to give it like a month before they send out contracts again. A month to breathe, which I think is fair. Yeah.

Like they, I mean, they've talked about doing the same thing with Vanderpump Rules. And people are like, Vanderpump Rules is going on pause after their best season ever. And it's like, that's just called like a normal hiatus between seasons. Yeah, especially because they extended the season. Right. You know, with filming. It's June. It's June.

Yeah. July is not the far away. And I think, I think for most of these shows, a little bit of time and space between seasons is a better, is a good thing a lot most of the time. Well, you think about it also like, this is their job, right? And like, you don't want them to get burnt out from filming. I think sometimes when they have like a month to regroup, they come in like a little fresh and like maybe working harder or more, you know, more interesting. And if they're just keep going. nonstop, I think you can tell it kind of wears on them.

Well, and also it gives you a little bit of an opportunity. Like sometimes in scripted shows, they'll do a time jump in the in the show. And obviously Housewives isn't, you know, going ahead five years. But if you pick up cameras right after the reunion films, there's no opportunity for things to shift between seasons. Right. You're like, you're capturing it in real time, which depending on the situation, that can be exciting.

But also it's like, if they're still fighting about the exact same things, they were fighting about at the reunion that we watched a year ago, it's like, I would rather them wait three months and then have like something fresh new going on. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't, I mean, obviously major question marks going into next season, but I mean,

this episode starts with the same, the same thing it's always been. Teresa is now apparently blaming Melissa and Joe for, they were hanging out with people who were responsible for them going to jail. And Andy has to point out, He's like, you were married to the person who was responsible for you going to jail. And she's like, right, right, right, right, right. But Chris Loretta said.

Yeah. I mean, I think that she does, like, she does seem to like, Andy seems to be the only one who could say that to her without getting his head chopped off. Yeah. Because if anyone else was like, you know, your husband's the one who got, you put you in jail, I think she would freak out. Yeah. And even, I mean, granted, Melissa's not the person that's going to be met with the most, you know, whatever right now. but she's like, we didn't commit mortgage fraud. You did dollface.

And Teresa's like, not mortgage fraud. That was the, and then the taxes. And it's like, we're not, that's not the issue here. Well, is she saying that she, she's also not saying, when she went to jail, this is a long time ago. So I don't fully remember. Was she at fault? Like, was she also committing more? I mean, she must have because she did go to jail.

So the, what basically happened was that her signature was on documents that were fraudulent. So she was culpable. for that, but I think nobody ever really argued that she just signed the papers that Joe told her to sign. I don't think she was ever really seen as like, uh, uh, you know, knowing accomplice. But it was like, you signed the papers. You have to be responsible for this. Right.

So there is some, you know, I don't think anybody's ever really challenged that she was some like, you know, criminal mastermind. It's like her husband literally did screw her over in that sense. But like it's just just so, I mean, to relitigate that again and again. I didn't mean to bring it up again. No. No, I mean, it's relevant because they're talking about it. But it's like on their level, it's like, right.

That was so long ago. Right. Although, I mean, I guess it is like a huge part of her life if she thinks about it. Like a huge, like a huge moment in her past. Yeah. Yeah. I think she probably has a, I think she probably has a lot of resentment. She doesn't really talk about resenting Joe that much.

She talks a little bit about how the fact. that she missed like her mother dying, or that she missed a year with her mother before she died was like a big part of it. But I think she probably has a lot more resentment towards show than she's even talking about. If you think about all the people who have wronged Teresa in her life, this seems to be the biggest thing that anyone could possibly do

to put you in jail and you're away from your kids for a year. But I think it's easier to displace that onto others because maybe for the sake of her kids that she doesn't want to have this like angry, contentious relationship with her ex-husband. I think, yeah, it seems that she's sort of compartmentalized her feelings about Jo Judey's to a point where that's not what she's actively angry about or at least not, you know, consciously.

But, I mean, talking about going back to the past, she's the one that brings up Jacqueline, who hasn't been on the show in six or so years. And, you know, she's saying that Jacqueline said all these horrible things about Melissa and Andy, again, is like, wait, wait, wait, wait. So now you are friends with Jacqueline when before this was like the biggest enemy in your life. And they bring out these texts. Margaret brings it up first. But then Melissa is the one who has it printed out to read.

And it's a text that Jacqueline sent to Jackie, Jackie Goldschneider, about Teresa. And these are in 2021. How do they even begin talking? I also, my question. I don't know. So there were a couple screenshots. They showed the one big screenshot on the. the show. And then there was another one

preceding that that was floating around online. But we never saw texts that were like the beginning of the conversation. It was just talking shit about Teresa. But okay, this text, I know I shouldn't care, but her arrogance voice in the fact that she gets away with too much after being

a nasty asshole bothers me. This is the funniest threat to me. She is a low life trash bucket. And then it goes into her plastic surgery, you know, her voice, she thinks she's a goddess. all this stuff. I mean, there's a lot of stuff in that text. Yeah. Some of it's very mean. Some of it's very mean. Most of it's very mean. And I mean, Jacqueline is not on the show.

She's not coming back on the show. I don't think we don't. She's not here to speak for herself. But the fact that she was saying all that stuff, you know, two years ago, it's, it does make you wonder, like, what are really the intentions of Jacqueline then like befriending Teresa? They're hanging out in Vegas. They're, you know. Yeah. Like what is the whole, I mean, also like, again, there's the Dina part of it to me that also seemed like, don't they not speak? Because. So, Jacqueline's married to Dina's brother.

Yes. And there's also a rift between, maybe it was like part of the rift with her and Dina. So she starts talking to. Dina and Caroline don't speak. Jacqueline and Dina, I think are like not as estranged, but not great. Right. Okay. But right, but it's like, but it's like what is in it for Jacqueline to be in maneuvering behind the scenes in this group the way that she's, why does Jacqueline have Jackie Gold Schneider's number? Seems like she's a little bored. Yeah. Perhaps. Potentially. But then the fact that Melissa's reading this text, obviously, like we said, there's mean stuff in the text about Teresa. But Teresa's like, as she's reading it, Teresa's like, oh, Jacqueline's going to kill you. And Dolores is like, you better sleep when I open.

It's not good for you, Melissa. And it's like, why, what is Jacqueline going to do in Vegas? Like, oh, right. That was the right. It's weird that that was the big reaction to her reading that text. Right. Not like Melissa, you're being horrible for saying these, for repeating these things. Right.

On camera, but then it's like, oh, you better watch out. It's like, right. I wonder what goes on behind the scenes. I mean, like, what is Jacqueline going to do roast her on Instagram or Twitter? Right. Right. Right. Right. Like Jacqueline's saying that Melissa's like fame,

hungry is not new. And also it's like kind of rich coming from. From Jacqueline who's starting all this shit. But it's like you're the one who hasn't had a TV show for all these years. Right. And yet it's still inserting herself into. It is funny. The way that on Bravo shows and this franchise in particular,

the idea of being fame hungry and wanting attention and wanting to be on camera is sort of continuously wielded as. a negative thing when like this is all existing within the bubble of a reality TV show. Right. And it's like every single person on this couch has at one point made the decision that this is what they want and has continued to make that decision by staying on the show. And so when you're like, oh, well, like, Rachel told me she didn't really watch the show, but she had a finsta that was Bravo lover one, two, three, four.

It's like, Jennifer Aiden was tweeting years ago that her biggest dream was to be a housewife. Like, it's not a, it's not a bad thing. Right. It's kind of funny. It's, like, um, trying to insult someone by saying that they care a lot about their job. Yeah. Like, like trying to insult someone. You try so hard at your job.

Like, but it's like, right. It's like people who come to work at Betches and follow us on Instagram. It's like, yeah, I would hope so. Yeah. It's like a good thing. Yeah. You want them invested. Right.

And it's, it is funny just because like with, with Jackie and Teresa, there's been this thing of like, you know, Jackie went to a book signing of Teresa's like years ago. Yeah. I remember that. I post this photo and being like, fan girl. And it's like, we're on a podcast about this show.

If you apply to be on real housewives of anything, one has to assume that you are want to be famous, want to be in this world, our fame hungry. I think, I don't think any of them are like, we're just like frolicing about like and then we're discovered one day without being interested in being on the show.

Yeah. I've, and even in, in interviewing a lot of the people that go on these shows. That's something we talked about that it's like everybody has their reasons for doing it. And also these shows have been on for long enough now that auditioning, signing up, applying to be on Housewives is, you know exactly what it is.

It's not like back in 2008 when it's like, oh, this sounds like a fun opportunity. Maybe it'll be good for my business. It's not that thing that's this kind of like unknown, you know, maybe there's. gold in them their hills. It's like, no, the reason you're doing it is because you've seen what it's done for other people or you want, you want something specific for yourself. So I, I almost wish that that would just go away as like a housewives trope of the like arguing about who watched the show before, who's thirsty for camera time. It's like you're all getting camera time. You're all full time cast members on this show. You're here for a reason, right? You didn't sign up to be like in this

startup. Like this is a full blown corporation that you know exactly. what to expect. Right. And Rachel's like, I wouldn't have said I didn't watch the show because that's just not true. Like, plus, if you didn't watch the show before going and filming the show, I think that's very unwise. It's like not researching the company that you're about to start working for. Yeah. I mean, likewise, Jen, Jen did research on the Rachel's nose search. But I love, I love the clarification that she's like, I didn't go to him to get my nose fixed. He only did my chin. So wait, so, um, Rachel's, so Rachel's, so Rachel's, so Rachel's, so Rachel's, so Rachel's doctor did Jen's chin.

I think that's where we landed. Okay. Interesting. I don't know. It is just funny because it's like for Jen, Aiden of all people, to make comments about somebody's like bad nose job. Right.

But then to also have work done by the same doctor. It's like, I don't know how like the plastic surgery circles of New Jersey work, but it just, I don't know. I mean, Jen is like a hypocrite 101. What did she say about like when Andy asks her about like revealing the Melissa rumor? And she's like,

you know, they did it to me. So it's fair game. And Melissa's like, I didn't do it to you. And she's like, well, like, I forgot what her response was. But it was like, just deflecting the fact that like she's saying that it's so messed up that Margaret did this and then does it and then has no regard for saying that it's hypocritical. Make every get together chill. This Memorial Day get up to an extra $1,000 off select top brand appliances like LG. Plus get free delivery.

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This rumor about Melissa is a big sticking point in part two of the reunion. We're talking about ex-best friend Laura, and Margaret walks us back, says, that Margaret was trying to be nice at one point and get her friend Laura on the show. And then at a certain point, she realized that the friendship with Laura was more about her trying to be on the show than about an actual friendship. So they distance themselves. And then Laura still wanting to get on the show, chose to back channel some drama. And so this was a revelation to me.

I don't know if this was talked about at all online. But we find out that Jennifer told Melissa about this rumor. from Laura before the season started filming. Okay. And, you know, Melissa already knew something about it. She wasn't that concerned. So basically, this whole storyline on the season was constructed by Jennifer in a way to seem like it was this big thing, you know, that, oh, we can't say this.

We can't bring it up. I'm going to be really careful with how we tell Melissa. And, you know, Danielle, I'm going to. tell you, but you can't say anything. Even though I'm telling you on camera. Even though I'm telling you on camera. And even though I already told Melissa, it's like, it really is interesting to hear more of the layers of this because this was a major plot point throughout the season.

And Danielle was kind of like the one who had to be the bearer of bad news. And now we find out that everybody else already knew. Yeah. She, as she says in her trailer when I don't think she thinks she's miced, I was set up. They set me up. Even though she's pretending on the show that she doesn't believe that she was set up, which is also interesting. I think she is, she really doesn't want to run a foul of Teresa and Jennifer.

And that's very clear by the fact that she's like, guys, did you set me up? And Jennifer says, I'm sorry if it came across that way. That's no, that wasn't my intention. And she was like, well, I believe it. I believe that you didn't set me up. I don't want to, I don't want to think of. myself as anyone's pawn. And Margaret's like, well, babe.

Right. You can, what, that's your desire. Whatever helps you, whatever helps you sleep at night. But clearly she does think that. Yeah. That was, that was a fascinating little fourth wall moment where she's in, she's behind the door. And she says to Nate, they set me up.

They, you know, they used me. Of course they set her up. To me, it was kind of like there's Teresa who's running the show. And then there's Jennifer who's usually carrying out her shit. And I think Jennifer has gotten established enough. on the show where she's like, okay, that's like, that's like a lower ranked soldiers move than me. Like I've, I've graduated. I've been promoted to like manipulation person, not like execute her.

Yeah, she's like, I'm the consigliary now. Actually, she's like, because now she's like Teresa's mouthpiece for all the other, the drama. And I think she was like, okay, there's a new girl here. She seems to want to be on this side. Like, she's going to be the one, you know, taking the, being the face of this. I'll give her this little task to do to see if she can prove her worth. Yeah. It's funny though because I think that's how Jennifer's looking at it from like a storyline

maneuvering standpoint. But I think Teresa more sees it as this piece of information to kind of use against Melissa with her brother. Like that she's like, oh, well, if Joey finds out about this, then maybe he'll realize that Melissa's like this cheater horrible person. It's just funny because

there's been so many rumors like about all of them but like rumor I feel like I've heard rumors about Melissa and an ex sort of like sprinkled throughout all the seasons and he never really

it doesn't seem like that's really ever shaken them. No. So I don't really understand what the point is of keep of continuously going on that. That's what that's something that is a struggle for me

to understand from Teresa's perspective I get that she doesn't like Melissa. Like I get that she maybe on some level still feels like she wasn't the right girl for her brother or something. Sure, fine. But the fact that season after season, it feels like every time there's a rumor or a whispering of something, she's like, oh, this is going to be the thing that makes Joe realize that this was, that this girl isn't good enough for him or that she's, you know, two timing and whatever. And it's like, Melissa and Joe have never really had real issues on the show.

There was one last season or two seasons ago, there was like some friction. Right. She was working too much. You know, how real that was. I don't really know. But that's the biggest conflict we've ever seen between them on the show. And it never felt existential. It just felt like Joe needed to kind of like get with the program a little bit about what their life is like.

Right. Yeah, no, I totally agree. And I think that like, I mean, I think on like a grander level, these are like your, this is your brother and these are your nieces and nephews. And I think it is really fucked up to try to like destroy their family by continuously trying to like create this rumor. Like just for the sake of your own like innocent family member. Like those are your, those are your niece and nephews. Well, but then she also says she swears on her kids that she that she wants Melissa and Joe to be happy. that she's like, okay, okay, I had to say, I had to tell Joe about this, this rumor I heard

because, you know, that's, I got to tell him. But then at the end of the day, if you want to be happy, I want you to be happy. And it's like, but she keeps doing it. Yeah. Right. It's like you, you, at a certain point, the, your actions speak louder than words. Right. And it's like, you've, you've never really shown us that you want Melissa and Joe to be like happy and in love together forever. And that's fine. I think she should just own that. Like I don't really like her. I would have preferred a different sister-in-law. It is what it is.

And like, she doesn't have to, she doesn't have to make her into this, like, cheating, like, manipulative person in order to just say, I just don't like her. Yeah. We don't mesh. I do think we get closer to that when they're talking about the comment that Melissa made in Ireland about drunk dialing her ex. And Teresa's kind of just like, yeah, I thought that was, I thought that was nasty. She shouldn't have said it. She's a married woman. Like, okay, yeah.

Fine. That's your opinion. That's fine. I think that is how Teresa honestly feels about it. And I would rather just say that than be like, well, I thought that because my brother is so sensitive, it would be blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, they'll just say like, it. Right.

If he wants to be mad about it, like he'll be mad at. He has the same access to this footage. Teresa's mind cannot compute that Joe wouldn't see that and be livid. Right. It's like maybe like that. Maybe that's a trope in their relationship. Like that's clearly something that he doesn't care that much about because he can see it.

Right. Melissa's like, it was literally a joke. And she was like, a joke. There was one season where they like prank called him to say that she was like with a guy. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? I remember that.

I think they might have been the same season they were fighting. I don't remember. But yeah. It's clearly like not that sensitive of a subject in their relationship. Right. She's willing to prank him about it. Right. Like whatever, you know, if you believe that they have ever, there's been infidelity in their

relationship, that's fine. But they clearly are secure enough with each other. to joke about those things. That seems like something we have established. Right. It is, yeah, it's fine. I mean, and, you know, Melissa takes that opportunity to do the, it's, it's funny. Laugh, ha ha.

And then they just keep going. Yeah. It is exhausting, even just watching the snippets. Yeah. When we get to the, um, when they're like, so Louie's the bitch boy now. And Teresa's like, yeah, he is the bitch boy. What about it? I didn't even understand what that, what they were trying to say, like that, that isn't it,

is it a good thing now to be a bitch boy? Um, I think it's a good thing to, when Teresa wants you to be defending her. Yeah. I don't know if bitch boy is something that we can really quantify in that way. Right. But I think when it suits Teresa. Well, because she wants Louie to have the conversation about the rumor. Yeah.

You know, I mean, on this show, it seems like the definition of bitch boy on the show is someone who is, um, defending their wife. right? I don't know. I don't know. I'm glad that Bill Aiden's one therapy session really made a world of difference for him. That was weird when just the whole addressing of that topic, which you know, I'm very into. I was very into that storyline. They really like did not.

She really was not going into it. Yeah. Which I thought was a shame because I think that would have been a really good opportunity to like, yeah. A little bit more real like you had seen her being on the show. But it seems like they're. their discussion of that was just like, we're very happy. We don't need it anymore.

Bill explained that he just, that he needs to relax. I'm like, he probably said that like when you originally asked him. I don't think that. Right. Like her big breakthrough is that it's like, I now also go to the pool house sometimes.

Fix marriage problems. Fix. Right. Right. Just the idea that Andy's like, so did Bill ever change his mind about therapy? And she's like, no,

but actually that one time we did go that you saw on camera that wasn't helpful. It actually was. It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't make any sense. I was disappointed because I really was like into vulnerable Jen. Yeah. And it seems like she was not willing to go there in the reunion. Yeah. Jennifer is a tough, she's a tough person to root for sometimes because I think she's great TV.

Like, you know, she's obviously very good at this like production mindset, whatever. But on a personal level, it's like there are certain moments where it's like, I want this good thing for you. And it doesn't feel like you're, you're on the level. to be able to really just say like, yeah, I want that for me too. Because they're talking about her marriage and she's like, I'm, I love my marriage. It's exactly what I want. And it's like that's fine. That's good.

Like I'm, I want you to be happy. But it feels like always there's this like one layer of something that she can't quite get get at. Totally. And I think instead of going there, she's again, just blaming Margaret for her daughter wanting to be a therapist, which I think is like a nice profession. It's not like she's saying like, yeah. My daughter wants to be like in the mob. Like my daughter wants to like help people work through their problems and like my parents have their problems and they're working through.

Like I don't think she's talking about this idea that she wants to be a therapist. It's like such as this like huge like awful thing that has been done to her daughter. Like yeah, that's a nice thing. Well, and also like a 12 year old changing their mind about what they want to be when they grow up is not earth shattering. Right. She's like last year she wanted to be a Broadway star in Hamilton and now she wants to be a love therapist. Like, okay, same. I don't think we need to blame Margaret for your daughter's potential career choice.

There was a time in my life when I earnestly told people I wanted to climb Mount Everest. Can you imagine? No. I mean, I could see that for you. It sounds like the most, the least fun thing I can imagine. People change. People change. People change.

People change. Olivia Aiden has changed. Yeah, but she just keeps repeating that thing. And I just don't really think that anyone's like. as infuriated about it as she is. Yeah. On a lighter note, though, I did. The revelation that Jennifer's coffee reader, psychic,

had also been no-no's, like, live-in nurse. Who said that Melissa didn't visit him enough. That sent me. She's like, okay, look, it wasn't fake, but she had mentioned a couple times before how Melissa didn't really come visit Nona when he was sick. It's like, oh, my, everything comes back. This woman's really a Renaissance woman.

She's, you know, she's a nurse for the ill. She's reading teacups. It's like, how do you find these people who have these various, like, skills? Right. It's like the circle of, this show would really have you believe that there are only about 15 people in, like, the state of New Jersey. In Bergen County that all just have, like, various jack of all trades professions. It's very weird. And it's like, so actually the trainer is now the author who wrote the,

book and that was a restaurant. Yeah. And because the trainer was, especially the trainer at the wedding. Yeah. Right. You know, she's. Side character on the show. Trayner slash shitsterer.

I can't wait for the therapist to come back as like another housewife. Jen's therapist. Right. Oh my God. Yeah. We've never had somebody's therapist be a housewife on the show. That would probably cause. Probably some like hippo laws.

Some of hippo rules. But, you know, I be here for it. Yeah. Like can you wave your. like doctor, patient confidentiality if Bravo cameras really want to know. For the right price. Yes. It's like actually

I would love to hold a diamond next season so my, I don't do that. I mean, listen, I would watch do I think it's morally okay? No. But is anything on the show? Not really. Study. And play. Come together

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or stuff that Louis seems to be, he seems to be keeping that industry afloat in, in America, I would say at this point. Honestly, like, I'm annoyed because I first, like, kind of liked Louis, and I just feel like he has ruined it entirely. And I kind of feel like he's, like, a bad guy now. It's pretty bleak because the thing is last season, when there was, like, stuff coming out about Louis,

some of it was pretty cringe-worthy. But it felt separate enough. from what was happening on the show that it didn't really, not that it didn't matter because some, you know, there were women that he had been with who had pretty troubling stories, but that it wasn't about the group. And now hearing the stuff about Jaden's birth mother getting contacted and Margaret's son potentially getting called and threatened at work,

you know, I don't know one way or the other. Like all of this stuff, it's like, it makes you kind of believe. That's dark as hell. It makes you believe the stories more from the past that had come out. I think about him being abusive. The story you posted on Bobo by Batchez last night to me was like, that is, if he could do that, then I think he probably did everything everyone's accusing him of.

So just a quick recap, Louis's ex-fiancee filed for a restraining order against him because she alleges, so she's a therapist. His ex-fiance or ex-wife? ex-fiancee, I believe. She's a therapist and she's alleging that one of her clients was actually a private investigator hired by Louis to basically get information and that she says that they had like, you know, three or four sessions. And in each session, the the patient, quote unquote, was asking questions about this woman's relationship with Louis. And it's like, I mean, that is crazy. Yeah.

That would be weird for. any patient to be asking their therapist about their past engagement that at like why would you even know that? But like, I mean, that's all alleged. She filed for the restraining order. But it's like that type of like that's some messed up shit. Yeah. And I mean, to me that's like very concerning.

She doesn't seem. And it just seems like a lot of things that are, that are, that are, people are accusing him of. And I have a hard time believing that none of them have any truth to them. Yeah. And there's something that comes up earlier in the episode when, so they're asking about Margaret having information on people. And Margaret's like, well, I don't hire private investigators. I just like know a lot of people and hear things, which like, who knows.

But Teresa is like, yeah, because you can't afford to hire private investigators. The way that she throws that out there, like it's this, you know, sick burn that it's like, yeah, you don't have all these private investigators because you couldn't afford it. And it's like, okay, it feels like you kind of. kind of just told on yourself a little bit. Right. That's, yeah, it's not the, that's not the when you think it is. I'm saying that. Right.

That it's like, actually, we write checks to many of them. Right. And she's like immediately called out on that. Like, oh, so it's okay to be like this sneaky bad person if you can afford it. Right. Like, that's what makes it okay. She's just like a, that's my issue with Teresa. She's just like a walking contradiction.

And I'm a little nervous for her with, with Louis. Like, I think that. Yeah. It's funny because, you know, I was, we were talking on the wedding. episode about how in love they seem and how like and there's certain I guess the cool thing about reality TV is it does show you no one is black and white because it seems like he does have some redeeming qualities like there are episodes where he seems like he is like somewhat of a peacemaker somewhat into like mental health and that kind of stuff and even like the way he is

with his son seems nice but like this other side of him seems really really dark and like potentially worrisome yeah and it feels like obviously on these shows like you said it it it does show you different sides of people, but also you're only seeing so much. And some of the stuff that we have seen on camera, knowing that that is what he has allowed to happen while he knows he's being filmed, it does kind of make you wonder, what are we not seeing? Right. And I don't want to make any, like, grand declarations about what I think Louis is doing off camera because I'm not there. But like, it seems all of this stuff about the private investigators and, you know, people getting called and threatened and all of that. It's like it all, it feels like it comes together to create a picture. It doesn't

feel like it's just like isolated here and there and like, ah, well, that doesn't sound true. That doesn't sound true. It's like, I don't know if all of it's true, but it certainly sounds like a, you know, a troubling image. Agreed. If it walks like a duck, you know. And even I think. I think I saw something online about like the Bo Dietl statement. Yeah. And that Bo Dietel was actually like, um, like if you want to like drop me, be dropping my name, you need to like pay me because I don't, I haven't been doing it. Like I would, but I'm not actually, not actually a paying client of mine.

Yeah. I mean, I think next week it's going to be really, I'm curious to see kind of like what Louis actually has to say for himself because I feel like Teresa has, she's gotten heated and said a lot of things, but she hasn't necessarily denied. Like, it doesn't feel like all of this stuff is just being denied flat out. Yeah. Which means to me that it is true. Yeah.

At least part of it. At least in some form that there's there is a there. I mean, Louis himself is stating that he is a very vindictive guy that he's stating that like people better not mess with him. So it's like, why wouldn't we believe that it's true? This is like what people are saying. He said, I have investigators with information on every single one of you. And then people of the next episode are like,

these people are coming, are coming after me and my children and my ex-wife and whatever. So it's kind of like, he's not denying it really either on the show. For somebody like Frank Katania to be so heated against him and he's like, you know, like I'm not a I'm not a bandwagon kind of person, but like I feel like this is personal to me now. Like that is, I mean, it's, it's, icky, but also then thinking about moving forward on the show,

the husbands have always. been kind of this like group where even if everybody's not on the best terms of each other or their wives aren't like it's kind of one group and I have a feeling that coming out of this reunion that's not going to be like a safe space for Louis even if maybe it wasn't already this season but yeah he seems to be pissing quite a few people off I think the interesting thing also in this dynamic friendship is Dolores because she really has been towing the line for like every season she's on of like not fully supporting Teresa but also not not supporting her. If that makes sense.

And so and even in these like in the reunion, you're seeing like little bits of Teresa being like pissed off at her for like speaking to who was she speaking to? Was she speaking to Melissa or Rachel Fuda? Yeah. She says. And she's like, I want no. Oh, or maybe it's Margaret. She was speaking to Margaret about.

About the Laura rumor. She was like, she was like to be honest like, because at, you know, that rumor really like, Teresa, Jennifer, and Danielle, that whole side of the couch are all, like, deeply involved in it in various ways. And, and Dolores is really just like, guys, like, this is not my. I want nothing to do with it. I want nothing to do with it. But Teresa's like, you should have defended me when someone told you about it. And she was like, yeah.

I think there's, I think the Dolores Teresa relationship is very interesting. Even like, it's funny because like Frank, Frank Jr. Frankie, is that his name? He is, um, Dolores's son as well. Yeah. So like I wonder what her opinion on that whole thing is. Like what is she always seems to be like wanting to be like Switzerland. Yeah. But I do feel like the time will come where she's going to need to make a firm stance. Yeah. Oh, I thought in the, so Dolores says that about the, um, the phone call to Margaret's son. When Melissa pulls out the like phone record receipt and Dolores says she doesn't want it to be true. But Margaret did call her the day it happened. Um, Teresa asks why Dolores didn't tell her. And she's. says she wants nothing to do with it. I mean, it's, it's the kind of thing where it's like, again, like the pieces seem to fit. Yeah. So, you know, it's going to be a weird part three, I think. I'm very excited for it. I am excited. I'm nervous, nervous but excited. Same. I feel like

I can feel the tension from this far away. It's all led up to this. Yes. And we will be back next week to talk about it, Jordana. Thanks as always for joining me. Thanks for having me. And thank you everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate, review, and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mentioned at all is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousa McCat. Editing by Horace Pico, social media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. All. Pay off your home. Travel for life. Drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the

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