Mention It All - Has Anyone Seen Merce’s Ashes? (RHOBH, RHOM)

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

Dylan is back in the studio to recap Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and Miami, but first, he reacts to a shocking development in the Bravo podcast landscape. When will Teddi Mellencamp be satisfied?? From there, he gets into RHOBH’s bizarre Barcelona trip, where Annemarie’s flop era continues, Erika gives an iconic performance, and Sutton’s freak flag can finally fly (like ashes in the wind). Later, he pivots to RHOM, where Lisa’s comments have Larsa and Kiki at a breaking point. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Betches Media presents. Ha ha, laugh, funny. Mention It All, a Bravo by Betches podcast. We don't say that, but now we said it. With me, Dylan Hafer. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer.

It's Thursday. We've got stuff to talk about. And I don't want to waste any time. So let's get right into it. Okay. Sorry. My, guys, I am so scatterbrain today. I just had a very fun interview that's going to be coming out in a few weeks.

So stay tuned for that. Make sure you're followed, subscribed, whatever they call it these days on all the apps. But today we're going to talk about Miami. We're going to talk about Beverly Hills. And I first have to share some news. And this is not. Don't be scared.

Except I opened up Instagram last night. And what do I see? There's a new podcast. Popping off with Teddy Mellencamp and Emily Simpson. And the podcast, photo is Teddy and Emily in some nice glam, holding mugs that say shit stirer. Okay. So, so this is the latest podcast on the, I guess now like mini network within IHeart that is two T's presents. So, okay, so two T's in a pod. At this point, sure. It's a, it's a

a titan of the industry. And then Tamara's got a Traders podcast, Talking Traders with Tamara Judge. I assume that's a limited series. Fine. But then we have two Jersey Js

with Jackie Goldschneider and Jennifer Fessler. And you know what? Sure. I like both of them. I don't know how their podcast is. I haven't listened, if I'm honest. Fine. It's cute.

And then we have, I, por favor. with Alexion Marisol. Again, they're really, they're sticking with the concept here. But this is where I have to draw the line. Because in the last two weeks, we have gotten two new shows on the two T's presents family. And these are, I don't think I talked about this last week. The Ed's, with Eddie Judge and Teddy's husband, Edwin, Aero Yave. And then this popping off with Teddy and Emily. And I just like, what are we doing here? What is the point?

And I don't just want to be a hater, but I don't, I don't understand. I don't understand. So I don't know. And Teddy said it's not going to be all Bravo. Because somebody asked, you know, what the difference was between this and two T's. and the first episode that they put out is a Vanderpump Rules recap. I don't know.

I mean, do we need Emily Simpson's takes on Vanderpump Rules? I like Emily now. I think she's good on Housewives these days. But I just, I wonder what we're doing here. I'm glad that Teddy is staying busy. I wish all the best for her. But I'm just wondering, like, where do we go from here? What's next on Two T's Presents?

Are we going to get like Mia and Wendy? Cacklin? Are we going to get like a Salt Lake? It feels like Salt Lake would be next. I mean, like Bad weather, bad weather, babes. I just, I just don't know. I feel like we're journeying down a path that is getting a little out of hand. And I, again, I want the best for everyone involved.

But, oh boy. But let's get into the episodes that we have before us today because there is a lot to talk about. We have two trips happening in two different Spanish-speaking countries. And somehow both of these groups of women are praying at a church. This is not something I expected to have a crossover moment about between Beverly Hills and Miami. But yes, they are both going to the chapel to pray for everyone in their group. To mixed effect, to mixed effect, I would say. We start Beverly Hills. We're still in Barcelona. Crystal is still in the midst of her medical emergency. Anna Marie, you know, really, really just wants to show off her skills.

And she's like, well, her blood pressure might be high. And I don't want her to like stroke out or whatever. And it's like, Anna Marie, read the room. Crystal is hyperventilating in the back of a van being hauled off in an ambulance. She doesn't want to hear you speculate. about how maybe she's going to stroke out. Is that the bedside manner that you want from your nurse anesthetist? I just, and then she's like, obviously at a certain point, production intervenes where they're like, okay, we're like calling an ambulance. This isn't like, this isn't the amazing race where it's like your job to get yourself out of this situation.

So they call the ambulance. They're taking her off and Anna Marie's like, okay, I can come with. you and they're like, no, actually, we're going to send Gavin. I just, I feel like Anna Marie kind of can't win. And they're like, well, Erica's like, well, I really think this whole thing is behind you now because I just can't imagine that Crystal is still going to have an issue with you after you you saved her life, whatever helped out, offered to help out. And like, yeah, but at the same time, Anna Marie, you know, saying that her blood pressure might be high doesn't mean that she can't also be an asshole sometimes. I just, oh, God. By the way, Anna Marie was on Watch What Happens

Live last night. I think it was her first time, maybe her second. And they asked about, Andy asked about the American Society of Anesthesiologists post. And, you know, she still is on her soapbox about how it was, it was a problem. And the whole, it all just boils down to the fact that the ASA doesn't like CRNAs, which is the nurse anesthetist thing, and that the American society of nurse anesthetists is in full support of her and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I mean, from the beginning, it goes back to the thing of like, it's not really about that. The reason that this became an issue was not because there was some drama between the politics of the different people in the medical community.

And I've seen the comments. I've seen the Reddit threads. I understand that this is a real thing in the medical field, and I respect that, and I appreciate that. But it boils back down to how Anna Marie spoke to Sutton, who is not her patient or not in her care whatsoever. Like, it just is, at this point, we're not focusing on what the actual issue is. And I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of talking about it. So let's move on. Crystal gets whisked away. She does have high blood pressure, but she's on the mend. And she is going to meet the ladies back at the house.

But we go to the church. And this is, this episode is one of Erica's all-time performances. And it starts the first little moment that just, just tickled me to my core. And this is so random is when they're at the church. And everybody's like praying, except for Doreet because she's Jewish, which is like, yeah, the whole group prayer thing. As somebody who has never been religious, I was not raised religious, I don't love. love like a group prayer. I think everybody should pray that wants to pray,

but it makes people that don't want to pray feel a little bit awkward sometimes. And that's just my personal experience. But when Eric is like, get down on those knees, Anne-Marie. Get down on those knees. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom Rack stores now. And up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince,

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that nobody has apologized to her or addressed the fact that they were wrong about the earring situation. And it's just like, the earring situation, it just is something where I think Erica just needs to get over it and move on. And I understand, I understand that it is annoying that these bitches cared more when she was down than when she's up. But it's like, yeah, that's how the world works. People move on. People are sick of talking about the earrings. And it's so funny now because now there's this housewife and the hustler part two coming out later this month, I guess.

I was going to say next month, but now it's February. And Erica is sitting down with some of the victims that were allegedly, I don't know if it's alleged anymore, that were screwed over by her, you know, estranged husband who is fit to stand trial. We'll see how that goes. But it's, it is funny that on the show, on Beverly Hills, Erica is still in her like, see, the court said I didn't do anything wrong. But then now we're getting this ABC News special that, first of all, Erica did not participate in the first one. You know, Housewife from The Hustler Part 1 was like Erica looking bad. And now she's kind of on this like, I don't know, I don't want to, like, sympathy campaign sounds like really cynical. I don't necessarily think she's coming from a bad place.

But it is like seeming like she has changed her tune. but when they filmed the show, when they filmed this episode, obviously she is very like, I've been vindicated. So I don't know. Erica's in an interesting place. But she really puts on a performance at this dinner that Sutton throws. And the whole like second half of this episode is a little bit strange. And I think that's the thing with Beverly Hills this season. And I've said this before.

It feels like there are certain pieces that are really great that I'm really enjoying. And then we'll just kind of, we'll just kind of stop and start. And so it's when we're at lunch and we're at this, you know, restaurant with everybody's trying to figure out how to say rice in Spanish. Like, why is them ordering so awkward? It's just, I don't know. But Derreet, of course, brings up to Garcel once again the kind of disconnect that they've been having this season.

And Derreet bringing up that Garcel called her a Karen. and it's just like, I know the type of person that Doreet is, and I get, I get why she feels like she needs to sort of clear her name in this conversation. But I wish that she could just take a step back and be like, you know what? I don't think this is an argument that is going to benefit me. And definitely, in this case, she is a lot more, she has a lot more. softened to what Garcel is saying to her. And she has changed her approach a little bit, where it doesn't feel like she is pushing back as much on Garcel's feelings, which I think is important. But she still is kind of putting up her own experience where Garcell says,

you know, I'm sorry that you felt X type of way about what I said, but I feel like you've lived a sheltered life and that you don't truly understand the walk that I've walked and everything that I have gone through to get to where I am. And Doreat at least is willing to say like totally hear you, yes, not no, but I do understand because my dad is Israeli. And, you know, I think her, the story that she brings up about, you know, being bullied as a child for being, one of very few Jewish people in her town and the fact that they moved because of that. I think it's, it's, it's, it, it's, it, I really like hearing Doreet share that kind of story about her life because I don't think we've always gotten a lot of real information about Doread's

past. I mean, the whole thing is like, the whole joke is that she's like a child of the world and she's, you know, from Connecticut, but really from Italy from Israel from wherever. But like, I think it's, it's tough when you are sharing this information. And then you're in response to what Garcell is saying, and you're saying it's not to compare, it doesn't quote, whatever. But I've been there too. It just, I wish that we would get that side of Doreet when it wasn't in response to somebody feeling like she's saying insensitive things or using microaggressions or making somebody feel like she doesn't understand the concept of privilege. Like, I wish that those two things could be separate for her.

And I don't know, you know, I kind of just, at this point, it's like I, I'm glad that they are able to part in a good place. I don't know if there's a closeness that needs to happen with Doreen Garcel. I don't know if that really feels like it would even make sense. So I kind of feel like we should just a little bit be done. But obviously, if Garcell feels the need to sort of say her piece, but then it wasn't even that. It was to re-bring it up.

So I don't, you know, I feel like we're, we can put this to bed. But before we go to bed, Sutton's friend Trevor has to come over. And they've got to, you know, celebrate the life of Mars and might pie. And this whole, this whole evening is so strange with Trevor and Sutton's other erudite friends, as she calls them. And Erica's like, her whole vibe going into the night where she's like, okay, great. Gotta entertain Sutton's, you know, weird hoity-to-oity friends that she's inviting to this house in Barcelona. Like, I, this is one of the more random housewife trip constructions where, like, a lot of the time it's like, oh, like, I feel like we all need to get away. let's go to Barcelona.

Or like, I feel like it's your birthday. Let's go to this place. Or, you know, I'm working on a business here and come with me and we're going to, you know, smell the perfume. But so we're in Barcelona for this girl's trip. But also Sutton needs to deal with the ashes of her departed friend. And then there's this whole cast of characters that are invited to the house. And I'm like, do these people all,

live in Barcelona? Or have they, have they traveled to be here? Like, is this the type of event that people are flying from other countries to attend? What are we truly doing with the ashes? I, I, I, I don't know. I mean, I, I enjoy Sutton's, you know, peculiarities. I, I, I, I don't know exactly what's going on with her. What are we doing here? But Eric, drunk Erica, like, dialing into this zone of knowing all of these fun facts about Beirut and sharing everything that she's heard and, oh, yes, I'm familiar with that philosopher. I think that this is such a fascinating side of Erica that we don't, we don't really see much on the show. Because even when she was with Tom.

Even when she was Mrs. Girardi, she wasn't really like, that wasn't really what we were seeing on the show. You know, there would be those moments where Tom was around. But we were never getting, like, Tom's business dinner that Erica was expected to attend because Tom would have never shared those things on the show. So this feels like a kind of like a lost facet of Erica. that she's sort of just like is channeling when she's quite drunk in Barcelona. And it's sort of delightful.

Like, I would love to see this side of her more. I mean, I don't know how we would feasibly see this side of her more on Beverly Hills. Because, you know, when Kyle's having a dinner party, she's not exactly inviting like foreign dignitaries. We're more like getting, you know, sauced up Denise Richards. But I don't know. It really made me smile. And then the MERS in a Ziploc bag comment. It's just, I don't know, she's not wrong.

The whole ashes thing, I mean, I was glad that Sutton articulated, at least to us, that this is also really connected to processing her grief and her feelings about her father. Because it is a little, it's a little deeper than just, you know, this guy who I was friends with. But it's just a little bit strange. And did anyone else? Okay. Trevor and Sutton's vibe to me was very Capote and the Swans. Like the feud season that just premiered last night too.

It's like it's giving a little bit like this. Sutton wants to be like this socialite who hangs out with cool artists in like salons in Paris. and that's not really the direction that her life has taken. But hey, she wants to get back to being that girl who was moved to New York when she was 20-something. And maybe she'll do it. I would love to get a little bit more like artsy Sutton next season. I think that that would be a fun direction for her to go in. But we'll see.

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And as much as I am like ready kind of to be done hearing about the particulars of the divorce situation, it's also like, I want you to get what you want. And the thing is, okay, so Lenny calls her at the last minute with this caveat to add to the settlement that she won't, she's not allowed to have a man permanently residing with her. And going back to what she had said prior about the settlement terms, I'm assuming this means in the house that he is going to buy for her or like whatever situation that he's procuring for her. in that house she can't have another man living, which first of all is still weird and possessive and I think that it's like an asshole thing to ask for. But I also think it's like a weird and bad idea

that she's going to be living in a house that he is paying for. This is kind of really similar to what Ashley Darby, you know, kind of how she chose to proceed where Michael is like on the deed for the house and can, you know, they have some like handshake agreement about how much notice he gives before he comes over, but I don't think that's legally binding. And I just like, if you're divorcing this guy who has done you wrong and is so untrustworthy and all of this stuff, I just like, it makes me feel nervous and bad that this is going to be the situation that she's tied into for just,

an undefined amount of time. And she's saying, oh, well, you know, Jody can stay with me for as long as he wants, as long as he has his own place. That's not like a real situation. For like grown up adults in their 40s who are talking about a future together. Like, oh yeah, he keeps an apartment just so he can like, he stays there one night a month so he's not officially a resident at my house. It's like, what?

I remember in college there were like, technically rules that you weren't allowed to have somebody like cohabitating in your room so like they could only stay over like you know a certain amount of nights a week or something and it's like we're not in a dorm you're a grown woman with two kids go be free go live your life even in a smaller apartment and that's the thing it's like i'm just like just move into a little starter home or like a cute little apartment but I don't know. I think we're too far gone, unfortunately, for that.

She does sign the settlement, and I'm happy for her that that's done. Clearly, the divorce, though, I guess I'm clueless about divorce proceedings even after watching Housewives for all these years, because I thought the settlement and the divorce would be kind of like hand in hand, but I still don't think they're divorced in real time. So who knows what's happening there? I did. I was loving this whole scene that was happening on this boat at the Sochimilko, I think. I might be saying that wrong, but it's a beautiful setting. The boat that they're on is beautiful and things are going really well at first until they're not. But it's like, it's so funny. The juxtaposition of seeing how all of these women are like collectively losing patients. for hearing about Lenny because it's like, okay, she's talking about it in the van because she just got

off the phone and that's fine. But now we're in this beautiful setting and she's like, she's getting emotional and she's in the middle of being like, I just hope that God will blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you just hear like, Margarita. Larsa's like, babe, it's been a year and I hope that Jody doesn't leave you because you would really regret it because I don't know any other man that would put up with your shit. And Larsa is like, it's like she's not saying, she's saying the thing that Lisa kind of needs to hear, I think. But the way that she's phrasing it is just so, so, so, so, so, so rough. And especially when you consider that looking at this group dynamic, Larsa and Lisa are supposed to be besties, kind of. And I feel like this is not the first time, even this season,

see her relationship with Kiki, that Larsa is like not actually the best friend. She's not like, she's not that ride or die chick who is always going to be there for whatever you need. And in this case, you could say, oh, well, she's kind of telling Lisa what she needs to hear. It's a little bit of tough love. But she's not delivering it in a way that has any of the sensitivity or any of the tenderness that a real ride or die. if you were that person to Lisa and you felt like I need to get this message across to her because I don't think she's seeing it, you would be bending over backwards to put it in terms that she would be able to accept. And Larson's just like, babe, shut up about Lenny.

It's been a year. Jody doesn't want to hear that. Don't call him. And like, look, it's good TV. I won't pretend. She's like, you're like a big. baby. Oh, God, Larsa. I mean, never change. Never change. Then they see these dogs on the shore, and Lisa has already made some, you know, off-color comments about the houses being depressing or

dilapidated or whatever, and Kiki's like on watch for that, because she's like, that's like how my family grew up in Haiti. before things really go left with Lisa and Kiki. We get one more Larsa gem. We're out of nowhere. She just goes, I know a guy who got bit by a dog and his balls look like the shape of a broccoli. Larsa, who is this man? What are you talking about? She's, she truly just marches to the beat of her own kind of delusional, kind of tone-deaf drum. And I don't know. I mean, earlier this season, I feel like I was so down on Larsa just because of the way she handled the gertie stuff. And I still think that is like a major topic of concern.

And I'm sure it was addressed at the reunion. And I'm a little scared to even see how that went down. But I'm like, Larsa, what the fuck? His balls look like a broccoli. But this fight between Kiki and Lisa really, really just spirals out of control. And of course, it's Lisa throwing this food for, from the boat onto the dogs at the shore. And she's saying, I promise you, they get fed worse.

They look hungry, XYZ. And Kiki, in the confession, okay, what was frustrating to me about this situation is I totally understood where Kiki was coming from. And I thought in the confessional, she did a great job of explaining why she had an issue with what Lisa was saying. But I thought that in real time, understandably so, she wasn't as great at giving her point across. So it just really, it felt like it got to level 100 between her and Lisa without kind of that baseline of like, this is why I was upset by what you said.

And man, they really just go at it. because Kiki throws this juice box. I don't even know what it was. She throws it at Lisa, you know, they're telling her to sit down. Don't put your finger in my face. Lisa says that Kiki assaulted her. It's bad. I feel like we rarely see, I mean, obviously Kiki, we haven't seen as much get into situations like that.

But I don't even feel like we see Lisa fight like that. And obviously, Lisa's very on edge about her emotions and everything that's happened. But damn, I don't. It really just, it's spiral. Lisa texting Jody on WhatsApp on her phone with like the big selfie light, like clipped onto it while Adriana is doing this prayer. Lord have mercy on this group, we all need some help, some of us more than others. Oh God, Adriana, leave it to her to just kind of like, like sage the air with just

messiness. I don't know. This trip to Mexico City is really, it's really delivering. I mean, that first, that first fight with, with Garty and Larsa, it was a lot. This was a lot. I, I'm scared for next week. We're going to see Adriana's pride performance. What a time to be alive, truly. Thank you so much for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. You can follow us on Instagram at Bravo by Betches. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. Mention It All is produced by Dylan Hafer, Sean Kilby, Jorge Morales Pico, and Rebecca Sousmakat. Editing by Jorge Morales Pico, Social Media by Dylan Hafer, guest booking by Dylan Hafer and Ali Friedlander. Be sure to follow at Bravo by Betches on Instagram and Twitter. All pay off your home, travel for life, drive a Ferrari. In celebration of the world premiere of the Monopoly Big Board Bucks slot machine by Aristocrat Gaming,

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