Mention It All - Healed Whit Has Learned Her Lesson Ft. Whitney Rose

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

On today’s episode, RHOSLC OG Whitney Rose returns to the show, and she chats with Dylan about the latest season of the show. She opens up about how the drama this season surprised her and how she��s trying to make smarter choices in her relationships. She and Dylan also talk about Mary’s new outlook this season, the perils of bringing a friend onto the show, and what it means to be someone else’s comfort watch in these difficult times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am very happy to have a returning guest today, somebody who has been on a healing journey and back, and we are going to talk about it all. And Whitney Rose, welcome back to the show. How are you? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me back, Dylan.

Of course. I'm excited. I mean, Salt Lake City, I feel like everybody is always very excited when it comes back. And now I've been, you know, fortunate enough to speak to most of you at least once. And so it's always fun to get like the return guest where now it's like, okay, so it's a new season. How are we feeling? Five seasons on the show is a long time. What has it been like this year kind of coming out of season four, that like massive finale that went so viral and everybody was obsessed with it?

And then coming back into a new season, like what has this year felt like for you kind of? in the world of the show. In the world of the show, this season started off just as a complete shock to me, because leaving Bermuda, I truly thought we had built a sisterhood that was unbreakable and a bond that was unbreakable. So the way that this season has started has been a little bit, it shocked me. Yeah. Like I didn't see it coming because behind my back, clearly, there was things going on,

but to my face, I thought we had a sisterhood. So, you know, it's been a, it was a rough start for me, but I love this season so much because you see the deeper layers of our friendships. You know, it's like, we're done with the surface stuff. We're going all in. Yeah. Well, for, I mean, for five of you on the cast now, you've been together, you know, Mary was in and out a little bit, but you guys have really been through this whole, you know,

juggernaut experience together. And so not only is that, you know, are there opportunities and things like that, but also just you've spent so much time in this kind of bubble that nobody else can really understand. Like you and you and Heather and Lisa and Meredith, like all of you guys have this kind of whether or not you're always like, you know, bonding over it. You have this bond that is. Yeah. So it's like you we love each other. Even when we dislike each other, we love each other. We have been through, I mean, indictments, SWAT team showing up at the VALAB parking lot, stuff with Mary, reality vantes,

like we have been through so much together that it's truly remarkable. Like, you can't make that up. Yeah. And those bonds and the trauma that we've been through will tie us together forever. Even, like I said, when we are fighting and feuding, you just hope that there's still that level of respect for each other, right? Yeah. Well, and I think we see, I mean, for any kind of cast that stays together for a long time, like, you know, you can be in a horrible place with somebody and really be going through something, you know, stressful and not fun. And then you never know what kind of ways life is going to come back around and you're going to find common ground over something new. I mean, even just thinking like your relationship with Heather has been, you know, so up and down at times. But like, you guys clearly have this bond that is more than any.

one thing. Yeah, I think that you tend to fight with the people you love the most, right? The fights are deeper, like darker, have more meaning because you love each other. And Heather and I get each other at a level that not, I don't have that with everyone else. Like Heather and I are not only distant cousins, but we were like truly best friends, like ride or die. And so when we fight, it's like, it's like fighting in the gut, right? But us, we just got back from Australia together and we had the best 10 days. And this season, you see us rebuilding our friendship. And by the end, it's, I can truly say it's Whitney and Heather are back together.

Yeah. I thought it was, it was interesting watching this week's episode when you guys are in Palm Springs. And obviously Heather was not on that trip, you know, because she and Bronwyn, not in the best place. but it seemed like you actually were kind of when there was that bigger fight, you know, over Heather being face-timed or whatever. Like you were able to kind of take Bronwyn's feelings into account as, you know, the person who had put together that trip. But then also knowing that you have this relationship with Heather, how are you able to kind of maybe compartmentalize and think, okay, in this situation, Bronwyn maybe needs support. But that doesn't mean that I'm kind of turning my back on. Yeah, I think the key to those situations is understanding that I'm.

has nothing to do with me. These are my friends going through this so I can easily silo my friendships. And I love them both and I want to see them both get through this. Heather was not there to speak for herself. I don't know her side of the story at that point in time, right? So I actually wanted to hear Heather's side of the story, but the timing of Lisa to pick up the phone, the second Bronwyn gets out of the hot tub and the way that it was handled was very, very, pointed and mean. And I know what that feels like to be in Bronwyn's shoes. Like I,

so that's where it's like I do want to hear Heather's side. I want to hear my girl's side. But I understand what it feels like to be Bronwyn. Yeah. It's kind of that thing of like, you know, you're going to go to your, you know,

rich friends birthday party because it's going to be fancy. But then you're like trying to leave as soon as you can kind of thing. Yeah. It was exactly that. Bronwyn, no one's taken us on a more fabulous. That house was incredible. The gifts Bronwyn gave us were incredible.

And it's exactly that. It's like, I'm going to show up at this party, take my photo and leave. There isn't really any respect for the fact that Bronwyn paid for all of that. The fact that it's her anniversary trip, they didn't need to invite us to that, right? And it just felt very calculated. So it's hard because I do love Heather and I want to hear her side of it. But Bronwyn just got cut on her own party. Right.

It's like a time and place kind of thing. Yes. It just felt very, the intent, it was intentional. Okay. It was very intentional. Yeah. To hurt Bronwyn. I'm curious, so you mentioned that you hadn't heard Heather's side of it at that point. Obviously, when you're filming, you don't know every conversation that's being had. So now that you've seen those episodes, what was your kind of POV watching that conversation between Bronwyn and Heather?

Did you feel weird about the way that went down? It's unfortunate. I think that I've, on page. I would think they would get along. They're both very smart, have the same dry sense of humor, and are fabulous. So I thought they would be friends,

but watching that actually go down, I'm like, oh, I get it. Heather is so good with her words. She's a writer. She's a New York's best time author, right? So she's so good with her words. And fighting with Heather is one of the most frustrating things because she'll take your words and spin them

and then spit them back to you. but Bronwyn does the same thing. So Heather has met her match with Bronwyn. So it would be really easy for me to just take Heather's side because she's my girl. But I was fascinated watching it because I'm like, wow, Bronwyn's giving it right back to you. So I don't think that either of them were in the right or in the wrong at all. It was just interesting. I just hoped, I just wished Heather would have fought a little bit harder to be on the trip because I would have loved to have her there.

I think it's like the way that that conversation worked out. it made sense that Heather didn't come. But then it's like, you still kind of wish she was there. I know, but Heather, couldn't you have at least just said, I accept your apology? Yeah, but I also kind of, I respected that at the end of that conversation, Heather was like, well, I don't want to come on the trip if it's only contingent on me saying what you want to hear. So it was like, yeah, I think I understood both sides of that conversation. And I think you're right that Bronwyn really seems like somebody who, you know, she has her shit together.

and she is coming on this show and the way she's handling things, she's not making a lot of like rookie moves necessarily in the way she's handling things. Yeah, she's done very well. She's been a great addition for sure and she's very smart. I will say as the season continues, Heather, I actually do agree with you. Like I respect Heather holding her ground in that moment. Later on I see why. Yeah.

So like it's just their their friendship is a really interesting dynamic. I think any, you know, in a group like this, obviously you guys are on the show together and you guys have been through many different variations of who's getting along with who and all of that. Like there is kind of an art to like, how long am I going to hold a grudge against this person? What is going to be the thing that finally gets me to kind of break down and and rebuild with them? Like you kind of every situation, I think, is a slightly different thing that you have to kind of work out.

Okay, what's going to be good for the group, but also what can I live with my choices? You know, like every, every situation has that kind of calculation in your head of like, do I really need to stay mad about this for a year? Or is this like a two week kind of thing? Exactly. It's so much to think about in the moment. Right? It's like, is this really worth trying to make my point?

Is this really worth fighting for? But when you're in those moments of, especially when it's within the group, like if the group's jumping and giving their opinions and piling on, that's when it just is like, do I really want to keep going for this? Or should I just cave in and be like, yeah, you're all right. Yeah. Because it's easier. Good sleep is everything.

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I was well prepared. Yeah, we were going to go the distance on it. Yeah, I mean, the thing that was missed is I didn't accuse her. I asked if she did. Yes, and this came up the following episode after that party aired that it was like, you felt like that your intention was to sort of hear her side of it, ask what the deal was versus an accusation. Obviously, I think he did the moment.

She took it a different way. Yeah, because I was, you have to keep in mind. I was going off of something someone told me. Right. And so I still was like willing to give Lisa the benefit of the doubt. Even though in my core and gut, I knew she had something to do with it in some way. My intuition just, I know and enough proof to show me that. Okay.

But I was still willing to put my five year or longer than that, my six year relationship, with Lisa above hearsay. Like, and even if Lisa were to tell me that she did it, I'd just be like, why? Like, is it because you told me you were going to be my villain? Or like, you know what I mean? I still would have given Lisa the benefit of the doubt, but that bitch lost her mind so fast. I've never seen, she has really good glam and there was sweat coming out of her pores.

Like, I have never, like, she was melting. It's the first time you've ever seen Lisa Barlow sweat. Like, oh my. God. Yeah, it was like her behavior told me everything I needed to know. And I, I hate that that's the way it is. But I fully expected that. What I didn't expect was her to incite the husbands. Yeah. And I think that's something, it's interesting because this happened to occur shortly before, I think your first couple's trip on the show. Is this the first time you guys? Yes, our first ever. Okay. So I, first of all, I love a couple's trip on a Bravo show. And I think they don't happen enough. But it is, kind of, I guess, fortuitous timing that all of a sudden, the husbands, which y'all's husbands,

I feel like, stay out of it for the most part. Yes. They're good at that. And so suddenly there's this like, you know, apology triangle that's happening between you and John and Lisa and Justin and everything. Like, what is it like for you kind of when you see it getting taken in that direction, which is not necessarily the norm for your group? Yeah.

Well, I think it was wildly. inappropriate and it went too far because from where I was sitting I watched Lisa beeline to Justin like straight Justin's leaning up against the bar minding his own business as Lisa and I are going at it as Justin does and then when Jen stepped to Justin and put his hands on him it was just like yeah it's not the norm like it's what it's so inappropriate like like our poor husbands deal with all of our BS and our drama they are here to support us and support each other. Go back to the catering gate, season two with Lisa.

Lisa and I were screaming at each other across the table because I'd caught her with the caters at the restaurant. I don't know if you remember this. Is this the Angie Harrington thing? The Angie Harrington thing. I completely caught her in a setup with the waiters telling me that Angie was lying. Do you remember any of those details? It feels like it was a thousand years ago.

Okay, a thousand years ago. But Lisa and I were like throwing things at each other at the table. and our husbands are just chit-chatting having a beer. So the fact that they were involved this time was really unfortunate because it just went too far and that's not where I want things to go. I don't want Justin and John's relationship to be affected by Lisa and I. Yeah. It's, you know, and unfortunately they're good now,

but it has changed the dynamic of their friendship. They don't go get beers anymore. They don't, you know. Yeah, I think a lot of the time on Housewives shows, people have strong opinions about like, I don't want to see the husbands. I don't blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think like you guys have a good group of guys where it's like, it's nice to see them, but we don't watch the show to see them fight with each other.

Like it's, it's kind of like it feels like we're like stepping in a direction that maybe isn't what we need. It's not what we need. We need their funny shade and their support. You know, that's it. And they're good looks and muscles and that's it. Like, no, I hope that it doesn't happen again. But you'll see we still have this couple's trip is.

There's some stuff coming that perhaps. It's complicated. It's complicated. Yeah. I'm curious to talk about your sort of situation with Meredith. Because obviously at the beginning of the season that Galentine's party, she kind of came in hot to you with sort of a list of grievances, I would say. Girl.

And I feel like between you and her, it's interesting because like to say there's a specific situation about a bath bomb or about jewelry, like maybe you can kind of laugh that off a little bit. But it sort of seems like there's a little bit of a pattern with maybe her not taking you so seriously as like a businesswoman as I don't know. Do you feel that from her? I don't feel like it's her taking me seriously as a business woman. If I'm going to be honest with you, I think that. It's a bit of a competition and jealousy. And I don't think Meredith is a jealous person by nature at all.

But I just think that she's butt hurt, that I didn't give her the heads up, that Prism approached me to do this line with them. But what she's missing is I am nowhere near her category. Like my jewelry is all very intentional and has specific meanings. We do now have our fashion line, which is the line in question. but with Meredith, it's so confusing to me because we, two weeks before that, we're in New York at Monkey Bar all over each other because you know how Meredith and I get when we drink, like there's kisses, there's hugs, there's loves.

Like she literally said, I love you two weeks before. And it's like in that too, it's so for me I feel like when cameras are down, she loves me. But when cameras are up, it's like she thinks I'm the easy tariff. I don't know. Like I don't know what it is with her because one, she still hasn't launched a bath palm that I know of. She hasn't launched skincare. I don't think she really cares about my jewelry brand at all. So with her, I feel like sometimes she comes for me for story, for relevancy. And because it doesn't add up otherwise because I'm, I love Brooks. Like I love her family. I know. Meredith loves me. We'll get into these fights. And then she and I are the last two to go to bed on a

girl's trip because we're jumping in the pool in our clothes. Or like we, I know, I know like, is she just lying when she tells me she loves me? Or does she really love me? But I'm just the easy target for her for relevancy on the show. Yeah. Well, it's, yeah, it's complicated when you, you know, when there are kind of those like show dynamics in it. And it's like obviously everything is rooted in reality. But then it's like how things can sort of get like, you know, manipulated or even sometimes like the Alibaba rumor that she brought up or last season she was talking about Angie. Like she might not be the person who's like originally coming up with that rumor. But if you're the one who brings it on to the show, in a way, you're still somewhat responsible for it. Well, I think that you it's just that.

It's if you are the one that brings it on the show, that shows intention to hurt. And that's what's been so hard this season with Meredith specifically is she's doubled down on it. Like even her watch what happens live, she doubled down on it. And so it's like, does she really want me to fail? Like, and it's hard because I've bought in very expensive jewelry from her. I've bought in, hell, I packed one of the jackets I got from, her store for an appearance in Vegas I had there after this. And it's like I have supported her business like through and through. Right. If it were truly a competition, you would be like,

yeah. And she knows I did bath bombs because that's how I launched Iris and Bowes with Bathbombs. And I have the receipts to prove it at reunion. I'm going to give everyone an OG. I'm going to take them out of the archive and give an OG. Like, I'm just kidding. But no, I really, that's what launched my iris and bow business was skin care bath bombs and body butter and so like i just feel like it's everything is telling me that she really does want to see me hurt and that makes me sad yeah like i don't believe her right now when she says she wants me to win because why is she doubling down and that hurts that hurts to have a friend yeah and it's like just you don't want to be the one who kind of like you know touches the hot pan four times in a row and it's still like why does it hurt like

Yeah, exactly. I've learned my lesson. And this sounds so soulless and sad, but I just have no emotion towards her right now. I've had to just, like you said, the pot burns me, the pan burns me every time. So I'm going to just walk away from the pan. So good, so good. Everything you want for summer is at Nordstrom rack stores now and up to 60% off. Stock up and save on the brands you love like Vince, Sam Edelman, Frame, and Free People. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first, and more. Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack.

Girl, winter is so last season. And now Springs got you looking at pictures of tank tops with hungry eyes. Your algorithm is feeding you cutoffs. You're thirsty for the sun on your shoulders. That perfect hang on the patio sundress. Those sandals you can wear all day and all night. And you've had enough of shopping from your couch. Done hoping it looks anything like the picture when you tear open that envelope.

It's time for a little in-person spring treat. It's time for a trip to Ross. Work your magic. I'm curious in terms of sort of like thinking about this idea of like boundaries and people who have maybe like had not nice things to say about you in the past. It seems like you and Mary have. kind of turned a new leaf this year. Yes, we have. I feel like Mary's energy this season feels like it is kind of coming on a different frequency

than it really has before. I absolutely. And Mary and I's friendship is proof that if you can take accountability and apologize and not do it again, the friendship can be repaired. But Mary's energy this season is of everything. Like I was sad even though she treated me. not kindly in seasons past. I was sad when she didn't come back

because we never got to hear from Mary if you think about it. We heard everything from the media, everything from the outside. We heard rumors. We never heard Mary's story. And her story is beautiful. And like watching her with Robert Jr.,

like she's an amazing mom and she is a good friend. Yeah, and I think there is something. She just has a mouth. She has a mouth. She's somebody who, in the earlier seasons, whether this was her choice or kind of the way that it unfolded for her. Like, she didn't, we didn't get to see very much of that, like, maybe softer, like, more

vulnerable side of her. And I think, obviously, you know, she can say things that, you know, shock you. But, like, I think something, you know, on these shows, it's like, I want to see all the different sides of everyone as much as possible. And it does feel like this season we're kind of getting, like, a little more of a 360 of who Mary kind of what's under there. When she does say shocking things, she's not wrong. Like there's always a bit of truth behind it, you know?

I was a little girl. Yeah, and like what I, and I want to stay little forever. That's why I get Botox and have good skincare and eat my good food. No, I just think that, yeah, Mary, it's been lovely having her back. And she had a lot to protect in the beginning, too, obviously. And now that we've moved through all of that. Yeah. And Mary, I appreciate her so much.

When she is upset, like she will just come straight to you and handle it and then we move on. Yeah. That, like, directness is important. I think also it seems like you, we were talking about Bronwyn a little bit earlier, but like earlier in the season when she and Lisa and Heather win that car ride, she was kind of, you know, mocking you or like, you know, that was cringy to watch. And I feel like you guys have been able to kind of move past that. quickly too. Yeah, that was cringy to watch, but she actually came to me and told me what she said.

I was like, oh, that's not that bad. Like, I've heard worse. And if you don't feel that way, then I will accept your apology and move on right now. And Bronwyn has said to me multiple times, and I'll save it for a reunion probably, but she has said to me multiple times that she is so sorry for the way that she came into this with me because she got to know me and she regrets some of those earlier. Yeah. Like, but when you come in as someone's friend

who hates me, I mean, what do you expect? Can you imagine all the horrible things she heard about me the months leading up to this? Yeah. And suddenly she and Lisa are going at it in Palm Springs and it kind of feels like you got off the hook a little bit. I, listen, I told her in a very, I don't know if it's going to air or not.

I don't know where we're at in the season, like where it is in the season. I don't even know where we are. Like episode, we're on eight tonight, right? I think so. Yeah. So you actually see me tell Bronwyn. I'm like, just be careful. Yeah.

I respect your relationship with Lisa and I'm not meddling. I do not want to get involved. And I feel like I did a good job of staying out. But there is a moment when I got to say, I told you so. And I hate that for her. I don't think that you should be happy to say I told you so about a friend being a shitty friend. But I just think that all of us go on our own journeys throughout this five years and realize where we need to pivot and what we need to stop doing and doing more of. And I just really hope that, you know, Bronwyn and Lisa can figure that out.

It's hard because everybody who isn't an original cast member for the most part comes on the show as somebody's friend. And that can be a total thorny. I mean, we've seen a lot of friendships where somebody joins the show and it doesn't go as planned. But like, you know, since you got in on the ground floor, you don't have to worry about that so much. No, I don't. And I, you know, Maley didn't end up, wasn't able to film with us as much as we thought. And yeah, I've been, I've dodged that bullet for sure because it's not worked out well for Lisa at all. It's a tricky kind of thing.

Yeah. I think she brought in Angie Harrington, who they, fell out. She brought in Angie Kay who became my bestie and how Bronwyn. Angie feels like an OG to me at this point. Right. She fits in so seamlessly right now. Like last season there were like maybe a couple of

little hiccups for her and this year I'm like oh yeah, she's good. She's actually been with us from the beginning, just not always in the forefront. Yeah. Talking about getting it on the ground floor, there's a new show in Utah. Well, there's actually a couple. So Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. We have another Bravo show sold on SLC that's coming in a couple months. What is it about Utah that you think

is like this reality TV boom? I mean, I feel like you guys kind of put it on the map in a way. I actually, I thank you. And I do agree. I think we deserve credit for that for sure. But I think I said to you in the very first time we interviewed it was over Zoom or something, or maybe it wasn't you. I don't know. I've said Salt Lake City is the best kept secret. Yeah. Like, it It is a hidden gem because of the culture. Because you have a predominant religion of the Mormon church. And you have people who follow that or who would be considered like an orthodox Mormon, right? Like full in.

People who are really in it. Yeah, who are really in it. And then you have people who are half in it. And then you have people who have left but still question. And then you have people who do both. And then you have people leaving. So there's so many different little cultures going on. within that. And anywhere you have oppression, you have wild, crazy. You have like just the

dynamics of Salt Lake City are fascinating. And when Silicon Sopes came to Utah, when all the tech companies started moving to Utah, we started getting more diversity. We started getting more influence outside of Mormonism. And so now it's like truly this iconic little bubble. And the culture, I can't even explain it. I've lived there, I was born and raised there, but Salt Lake City is amazing. It's the perfect place for shows. Because we're all crazy. And we all care so much about what other people think about us and how we look.

And it's just designed for, and the drama. You would gag at the drama in my own friend group. Like just yesterday, Justin was getting his haircut and I was at my friend's house. just the drama, I was like, I had to plug my ears. I'm like, I do this for a living. I don't want to do this right now. This is my, like, off time. I'm off right now. I'm not handling this problem for you. I did love it. You and Whitney Levitt from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives did, like a screening together for this A24 movie. And that video that you did together was so funny. But like, what has it been like kind of interacting with some of them who are kind of on this journey for the first time now?

First of all, I have to give a plug for that movie. You need to watch it. Heretic? Yeah, okay, I'll see it. It's all about religion, and it's the Mormon sister missionaries. You have to watch it. It's November 8th, it comes out. But yeah, doing that screening with her was fun.

It was my first time meeting her. Prior to that, I had known Jesse just through the hair industry. I had obviously, I think met Demi at an event because of her relation to Angie. Kayla was a model for, well, was beauty. A her is a model. Yeah. It's a small. Yeah.

I'm like, well, because there's Kayla and Layla, right? So I'm like, which. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I got to meet Jan and Zach at the screener. Yeah, they're interesting. Like, I really, I'm proud of them. I hope this next season they dive more into the,

into the patriarchy, into the Mormon culture. Okay. Because they're all, even the ones who are like sinners, they're still, they still believe and they still are in it. Yeah, it's a little, it's an interesting because I think a lot of people would look at it and say like, oh, it's like the same as the real housewives. And I think something that I've always liked about your show is that it's like there are pieces of that in it, but that's not the whole group by any means. I mean, you have somebody like Meredith who's never been in the church. You have, you know, lots of different perspectives and backgrounds. Whereas, like, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is like a little bit more, they share a lot of experiences with each other, but they are kind of in different places of, you know, there are women who are divorced on that show.

There are people who are still having kids and in the church and all of this. And it's like, it's, it's really complicated. It is. And they are where we were, well, where I was 10 years ago. You know what I mean? Or even longer than that. Like, they're at the beginning of, yeah. Yeah, like they're, it's really, it'll be interesting to watch how they evolve and grow through this.

Because it's, I mean, they're, it's wild. Yeah. This very Utah. I want to end on just a note of, I feel like so many people, I mean, you've been on your healing journey, which has been fun to watch over the last few years. And I feel like for your show, it is like a comfort watch for a lot of people. And people love watching you guys and kind of living vicariously through you. And obviously there are like some, you know, crazy things happening in the world right now. And I just want to know how you kind of feel about being a show that people turn to maybe when they kind of want that escape and something really comforting to watch.

You're going to make me get emotional because, yeah, the world is crazy right now. There's a lot going on. And it is, I just feel so grateful to be a part of something that brings people happiness in this day and age. and especially right now with the climate of everything going on. And like I always knew, I'm going to go deep. Is that okay? I always knew that I came to this earth for a reason, and I've always been driven by mission and purpose.

And you would think housewives has nothing to do with that, right? But just hearing you say that and hearing the fans and people reach out, like that means a lot to me because I truly, it is amazing to be a part of something that gives people to. joy. Yeah. Well, you give a lot of people joy. And Salt Lake City's giving me joy every Wednesday night right now. And I think a lot of other people feel the same. So thank you, Whitney. Yeah, thank you, Dylan. And thanks everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show wherever you listen. And until next time, be cool. Don't be all like uncool. And be real.

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