Mention It All - Here Comes The Real Kathy Ft. Jordana Abraham (RHOBH)

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

Jordana Abraham joins Dylan to break down the RHOBH episode that we’ve all been waiting for. They discuss Kathy Hilton’s impending Aspen meltdown, Kyle and Dorit’s intense argument, and Diana’s love of refugees… sort of. They also get into the dynamics of Erika’s recent behavior, and how she handled her WWHL appearance this week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Please welcome Jordana Abraham Back to the podcast Hi Hi Hi thanks for having me back I'm so excited to be here in the middle of what is very interesting Beverly Hills season. Of course, we are reaching a crescendo here with this Aspen trip.

And like you said before, we started recording. We are finally really getting to the meat of some of these issues that we've seen playing out on social media and happening in the press. And we're in Aspen. You know, Kathy's getting heated. Erica's doing her something. I don't know how to describe it. But everybody really has has shown up to Aspen and I think it's delivering.

Yeah, they're ready to go. I feel like everything has been building to this moment. They always do that. I feel like at the beginning of the season, there's like these low level drama things. And then by the time you get to the trip, they, everyone kind of breaks. So this has been really fun to watch. Yeah. And this episode, it's kind of all.

happening in one day in the aftermath of this really, you know, messy night that happened before where Erica was... Standing her ground. Very, I would say, not in the mood. Standing her ground in a way that felt unsavory to a lot of people watching it. And, you know, she stormed out of the rental house. And then we find out the next day that late at night, when she left, she and, you know, she and and Diana went and Dorit went back to Kyle's house and packed up her things.

And then Diana brought them to her hotel for the night, like her band of refugees because she saw that they needed a safe haven. And that's, you know, she's very sensitive to refugees. I'm like, what? These are, these are exactly the kind of, you know, the kind of victims that I'm sure that most people think of when they think of refugees. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, when you're, when there's a woman in a, you know, Fendi track suit yelling at you.

Yeah, while you're wearing $750,000 earrings, that's, this is where you can go. You know, we all, we all need a little safety and comfort sometimes. And it is funny this, for the first majority of this episode, honestly, how Erica, Derreet and Diana are this kind of like outcast group in Aspen trying to have their separate day. Like, they're going to the, exclusive store that only has three locations that Doret is like, oh, I went to the one in Switzerland and they're like, you know the brand. And she's like, yes. And then they're going to get pizza together. And it's like they have totally removed themselves from the group in a way that it's just like, it's very funny to me to watch them literally like lock the doors of this

clothing store so the other women can't. Yeah. It's also funny to me that like Kyle, I guess Like, I, in the beginning of this Aspen trip, I was thinking it was like the privilege to be at Kyle's house. Like, because she's like basically hosting the trip. So I thought it was like, you know, right. You'd want to be in Kyle's house. But it seems like everyone who's in Kyle's house is leaving Kyle's house, sort of including her. I mean, her sister hasn't left yet. But it kind of feels like she will.

She will. Like a stressful place to be at least during this particular trip. Maricio's there. That's it doesn't quite make sense. the dog is there. It's just, it's a little cramped. And then on top of that, the vibes are just not, um, not, you know, a carefree vacation kind of setting.

I tweeted during the episode last night that it was kind of wild to watch how over at Kyle's house, it's like Kyle and Dorit screaming at each other, Erica storming out, Kathy's mad about the tequila. And then they flashed to the rental house. And it's like, the. only drama is that Sutton is taking a long time to get ready. You know, Crystal's laughing, Garcell's laughing, Cherie's like, I'm ready to go. And it's like the, the tone between these two houses could not be more different.

And in that moment, I'm like, I wouldn't want to be at Kyle's house right now. No. I mean, is anyone, is there anyone in Kyle's house that she's not fighting with besides Maricio? Um, I think the answer is no. Right. I'm like, I'm like trying to make sure I remember everyone who's on this large cast. But I think the answer is no. And it's, it's interesting how Kyle is sort of in the middle of some issues this episode.

Because Kyle is kind of a conflict avoidant person a lot of the time. She is really good, I think, at stirring up other people's drama and kind of like being a little messy and then stepping back. So she doesn't really get, you know, too much of. the brunt of the drama. But her stuff with Doreet, this episode was sort of surprisingly, you know, like in your face. Like it was very intense and the argument that she had. And I don't know exactly why Kyle was so emotionally attached to all of the ladies going to Kimosabe.

But clearly that was a major thing for her. And she really, really felt betrayed and hurt by. Drit going with Erica. This hat store means a lot to her. There's only a few places probably in the world where you can buy $600 hats and

drink margaritas while you're doing it. So I get it. It's sentimental. It's personal. When they're all getting ready to go there and they can't you know, they're you know, not everybody's there. And when Kathy goes, well maybe well maybe she's at wasabi's.

Like Kathy. I guarantee, I would bet my life that Kathy has been to Kimosabi before. Like she knows what it is. Like she's been there. Like 100%. I've actually been there. We went,

Sammy had her bachelor at Naspin and we went there then. So it was cool to see it. That was ringing a bell for me. I was like, I'm sure I've seen Kyle post from here, but I also feel like somebody that I know in real life has been there. It, the whole,

the whole like feeling inside that store is so intriguing to be because it's like, is it a bar? Is it a, you know, it's like an atelier where they're like making the hats. It's there's fire happening. There's Kathy Hilton having a meltdown over the tequila. Like there's just a lot going on. And it sort of feels like you're in somebody's cabin. And I'm just like claustrophobic.

Totally. Oh, I forgot. Before I would forget it, I think Rina is not fighting with Kyle and she's in the house. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, Rina is. But Rina then is the one who is kind of, you know, tipping Kathy into the bad place a little bit. Make every get-together chill. This Memorial Day, get up to an extra $1,000 off select top brand appliances like LG. Plus, get free delivery at the Home Depot.

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But they're they're at kiyomisabi and Kathy we see a lot of the editors are doing the work for us to remind us that Kathy has been very extra about this tequila. We see like five different times that she's brought it up. She's given it to somebody. She's made a speech about it. she's noted, you know, where it is. She, I mean, all of these women promote their brands. I don't have a problem with that at all. But it does seem like maybe she's been, she hasn't been as artful with the way that

she's working in her promo. She's just kind of like saying it every time she's on camera. It doesn't feel organic. Yeah, they're going to have some tequila. And Kathy immediately is like, oh, they have my tequila here. Did you see they have my tequila here? Oh, they have my tequila here. Oh, they have my tequila here.

And it's like, I think Brina rightly points out that it's like, yeah, like, of course they have your tequila here. I'm sure you made sure of that. You placed it there. Right. Yeah. This seems like her whole arc was this tequila, but I feel like she was sent on a mission by like Nikki and whoever else in the family is invested in it. Like, if you're going to go, you're going to like, like, it'll be great. this tequila in front of America.

Exactly. And I don't even know the name. What's the name? I don't even remember the name. Casa del Sol. Okay. This was a better. had for 818 than it was for Casa del Sol.

I know. They said that more and more times. I know. The Kendall Jenner tequila behavior here because I saw some chatter online about how Lisa didn't do anything wrong. And it was, you know, Kathy. There's kind of mixed reactions to who was kind of at fault in this situation. And for me, I feel like Lisa Rina didn't do anything like so horrible in a, you know, real life context, but it was pretty in Kathy's face how she was like, I want to try the 8-1-8.

My friend Kendall has tequila. And then like, like it felt very unnecessary in that moment and kind of deliberately trying to rain on Kathy's parade to me. I agree. Also, Rina is not friends with Kendall Jenner. It's like they're so close that Kendall would be like, I can't believe you didn't order my tequila on your trip on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. I do not believe that they speak or that they are actually friends.

Maybe they've spoken once. I don't fully believe that like we're, to me, it's almost just like annoying that she said it because it's just so social climbing to be like, should I have my friend Kathy Hilton's tequila or my friend, Candle Jenner's tequila? It was very like, oh, I'm just trying to show that I have a lot of very famous, very high profile, very rich friends. Absolutely. Somebody on Instagram did did the. work to verify that Kendall Jenner does not follow Lisa Rina on Instagram. They're such good friends though. Like I would, but Kathy Hilton is also friends with Chris.

And like, it's a whole, it's one community. So I think it's like nobody is. Yeah. Nobody's saying that you should only drink Casa del Sol tequila for the rest of your life. And if you don't, then that's a big fuck you to Kathy. But it's like she was literally just talking about how they have her tequila there. And then you don't even. you don't even go up and be like, oh, can I just get a tequila soda, whatever tequila is fine.

She specifically asks for it. Right. And so that I thought was a little bit shistory from Rina. Like I think she kind of wanted to make a point of it. But then the way that Kathy reacts, it really is a different shade of Kathy than we have seen yet on this show. And I think it's maybe one of the first times that Kathy. has kind of, I don't know if slipped up is too strong of a word, but it's like we, Kathy in that moment was not thinking about Kathy Hilton on camera. Kathy was reacting, I think, in a really

authentic way for her, which I think it says a lot that it's taken this long for us to see that side of her because I think that is a real side of Kathy. Totally. I mean, I, it really, it makes. Because I think in the last season that Kathy was in, you're kind of like, I don't understand how she and Kyle can have these longstanding feuds where they don't talk to each other for like months or years at a time. Like they, Kathy seems so harmless. So, you know, like a little clueless. And then here, once you get like a glimpse of it, you're like, it's starting to actually make a lot of sense.

Because there's this other side to her. Right. And with. So if something as kind of base level as ordering the other to keep. is enough to really get Kathy in this place of not even just like, well, that was a shitty thing to do. But like, I'm so angry. I don't want to be here. I'm leaving.

This is bullshit. All of this. You know, it's a very like, she's kind of seeing red and having this full body feeling where she can't, she can't deal with that anymore. And if that's happening over 818 tequila, then when you think about a situation like Kyle doing the TV. show based on their mom. And if Kathy felt like she was, you know, disrespected or wronged in that scenario, it is kind of easy to see how that might spiral into something that becomes a big

feud. And I don't know if we would ever see that level of something on the show. I kind of think they wouldn't let that trickle into how Kathy is on Housewives. But like, you can sort of see the groundwork for how that would be a thing. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think that, you know, it seems like the first tequila incident, or maybe the tequila incident from the night before even where she's trying to peddle it and Kyle's not really pushing

it for her. And then Kyle doesn't say anything to Renna. It seems like the seed has been planted for this anger. And it's interesting just like in a psychological way to see. Because obviously we don't see the unseen footage from whatever the fight is they have while they're out. But clearly, like Kathy was brewing. all day. And it was kind of seeping into her. And I'm, you know, I'm not surprised that something

explosive happened. I do wish we got to see it. Right. At the caribou club. Yes. Right. Because we see the scene later in the house where it's, you know, Kyle and Rina are talking about everything that's gone down. And then Kathy kind of wanders into the kitchen and his seems to be not that upset about what happened before. And like, is, even though I... It's in the back of her head. It's in the back. I think. Someone hurt my feelings. I think I would leave. And it's like, oh, really? You think you would? I think you would too. But she's not kind of actively mad about it. But I think you're right that it is, the scene has kind of been set. And sometimes when somebody kind of like gets you in that zone of anger, it can go back down to a more simmering level. But then it doesn't take you as much the

next time to get you really high. And that's the beauty or the bad thing, depending on how you're looking at it, of these trips is that it's not like usual when you get a dinner and then you can go home and stew. And then you have a few days off. Here it's like the whole weekend, the whole day. So it's like you're seeing the person who annoyed you this morning this afternoon and then you're seeing them again this evening. And I do it because you can't really like compartmentalize your feelings for

that long. Totally. And I think to that point, as much as I don't like the stuff that Erica has been saying or agree with her behavior, I understood why she kind of needed to remove herself from the group for most of that day, because I think she had, she got so hot the night before. And everyone in the group was kind of recognizing that she's saying stuff, that she might regret. And she's clearly, you know, not in a good headspace right now. And so I kind of, I'm aligned with her decision to skip kimosabe and breakfast and whatever because it's like you need to kind of give yourself that moment to pull down and be like, okay, next time I'm with these women, how am I going to approach it?

That being said, I don't know if when she goes to dinner, I don't know if she really does approach it the way that I would suggest. Well, she, she starts off sort of okay with Kyle, where she's like sort of apologizing, but not really. Or trying to, trying to,

she's coming in less hot, at least in that interaction and kind of, she shows that she wants to make amends in, in some way. And I mean, Erica is such a, it's like, obviously,

I think the whole world knows that she's wrong in her approach to. how she's seeing the victims or how she sees herself as completely separate or having nothing to do with it and really having very low empathy, very low sympathy for anyone in that situation, refusing to like acknowledge somewhat of her any part of a role or any part of a connection to that. And I understand it's like the legal part of it. This is film, this is televised for her to say, yeah, the, you know, it was terrible what happened to the victims. It's almost like admitting that there was a crime committed. And maybe she's legally not supposed to say that.

But she comes in so aggressively. I could, I would almost understand if she were like, listen, I really can't talk about this. Like I see what you're saying. I see why you want me to talk about it. I can't really say anything.

Anything I say is going to be very scrutinized. And I just can't legally, like it's just going to be really bad for me legally to comment on any of this. And then behind, again, off camera, she could tell, she could have that. attitude to her friends.

But I don't understand why she's coming in so aggressively and so angry and refusing to acknowledge anything. And the earring thing just seems like, again, she's like, if you're by wearing the earrings, you're flaunting what, like, you're shoving it in people's faces that you don't care. Where I don't think she, I agree that she doesn't care, but if she had any tact, she could at least pretend to care or not or not even pretend to care, pretend to have some sense of what people of acknowledgement of what people think by wearing these these earrings. I don't get. Big old diamonds, Jordana.

I don't get it. She's like trying. Yeah. I think you're spot on with kind of wondering why she even agrees to talk about it on camera at all. And I do think more than half of this group, if she said, guys, for the rest of the season, I can't discuss this on camera. I think most of these women would back off.

Kind of be okay with that. Or, yeah, back off at least to a degree. And so it's kind of, it shouldn't be, it's not surprising, but it feels shocking that kind of episode after episode, she's choosing to engage with it, but in a way that feels so callous and so kind of tone deaf for how it's going to be received. And like you said, it is filmed. It's on TV. This is being seen by millions of people, including people, I'm sure, that are involved

with the case and, you know, involved with kind of deciding how hard they want to go at her. And it's just like however she actually feels, however much she feels like she can't take responsibility or admit to things or whatever, it's like just on an optics level, it's like, shut up. Yeah. Like just just stop it. And but on the flip side, though, I think it's hard because she doesn't want to take any accountability or imply that she was involved in any way, which I understand. But then the second there is something that she sees as good news for herself, like there's

this Chicago. She wants to talk about it all the time. She's like, she hasn't even seen the other women. She and Doree and Diana are sitting at breakfast and she's like, none of these other bitches have talked about it. And it's like, you haven't seen them. You haven't even been with the group. And she's like, let's see if they bring up my victory.

And it's like, I first of all was... She's missing the point. She's missing the point completely. And I was very glad that Crystal kind of spoke up on that. Because the second Erica started talking about it, I was like, wait, wasn't this the one where they dropped it in Illinois? But they mostly just dropped it in Illinois so they could refile it in California. And so I was very glad that Crystal brought that up that she's like, okay, like, you had a good day. but like this isn't a real win for you.

And the fact that you're so focused on celebrating it as if it is some kind of exoneration of you having anything to do with it, it kind of even highlights more how little empathy you have for the actual victims because you're like, you got one inch of the whole race and you're like, you know, waving the flag and being like, everybody throw me a party and it's like, no, that's, there's still a whole tapestry happening and it could still turn out really bad for you. And it already has turned out really bad for all of these people. So, you know, we're not going to have a party. Just don't be so giddy. Right. And the fact that she's like so unwilling to focus on the victims, but so, so quick to celebrate her one tiny, tiny little maybe victory.

It's like, well, she's right that she only cares about herself. She's not, she's not being disingenuous about that. Yeah. No, I totally agree. And I feel like it's, I mean, even if she were to say, listen, I can't, you know, there's, the case hasn't been done yet. We don't know like all the facts about everything that happened. But if this is something that Tom did or if this is something that the firm did, this is

awful. I feel terrible. If, even if she just said if. Yeah. Like, again, because I get by saying this happened, they could play that in a courtroom and so, you know, she's admitting that it happened. But she, the if to me is like, why not just say if it happened, it's terrible. Yeah. I do think on, she was on Watch What Happens Live last night, virtually, which I don't know why, why it's virtual, whatever. But she, I think did make it a tiny bit better. when they were doing like the do you regret it game.

And he asked her about one of the specific things she had said about only caring about herself. And she was like, yeah, I wish I had phrased that differently. And see, even that makes it feel like you at least are a little bit cognizant of how you're coming off. And I think, obviously, I don't think she is, she didn't fully like write the ship with that one little admission that she wish she had phrased it differently. but like it's nice to know that there is somebody watching the show who can like be like, oh, yeah, that seemed a little harsh because that has been missing, I think, the last few weeks. And the way she reacts on social media, having any kind of three dimensional response to watching what she's doing on the show. Yeah.

Well, it's very interesting, I think, to watch. And almost just like on a, apart from these actual women, like their reactions to this is who they're. friend is, right? So Erica is who she is. She's not pretending to be someone. She's not at this point. And what she is seems like kind of a shitty person, right? Or she's coming off that way to the extent that I think anyone can see it. And so it's interesting to see how people play that into their lives. Because if you have a friend who does something bad, like, what is the right answer? I don't think there's like a right or wrong answer to how you're supposed to react. But some people would say, oh, I can't be friends with someone.

like that. Some people would say like, okay, like I'm choosing to choose the parts of her that I like and choosing to kind of just not interact with the parts that I don't. And I'm not really sure what the right way to view of friendship. I'm trying to think if I had a friend who did something really immoral, what would be what would be my reaction? So I think it's really interesting to see that. It is a tricky thing. And I think you're right that there is no one correct answer in every situation is different, every friendship is different. I, going down that line of thinking, I thought the conversation that Crystal and Derreet had, because I think Crystal really, we see more than, more than maybe ever these last couple episodes, she really is struggling

with the way that Erica is responding to all of this and the things that she's saying and the way that she's acting. And when she's kind of questioning Derreets, you know, treat of Erica saying, this is tough for me because I have kind of a code of values that I like to live my life by. And I like to surround myself with people that I feel like are in line with those, that way of thinking as well. And the fact that Doreet has essentially dropped everything on this trip to be Erica's handler when it does feel like Doret has kind of chosen aside that maybe she hadn't really had to choose before. And I mean, this entire episode, basically, she is on Erica duty.

And, you know, when Kyle, when she and Kyle are having it out at the house and Kyle's like, well, I'm really hurt by what you did. Like, I know that Erica's hurt, but like, I'm very hurt and we're good friends. And Doreet's like, well, you have five girls. And Erica, Erica doesn't have anybody else. And it's tough because it's like, first of all, Erica has Diana, you know, whatever that is worth. But it's like, but sometimes you have to step back and think like, because of how this person is acted and what they've been saying and how

they're coming across, do they deserve to have me on their team right now? And do they deserve to have anyone on their team right now? Maybe she needs to go have a day where she's like, fuck, I really messed up and now I have nobody. I'm on an island. And whether or not you think that's what should have happened, I think DeRite is kind of clearly being like, well, I don't want, I don't want her to be alone. I care more about her as my friend than I do about the negative sides of what she was saying. And I think seeing Kyle and Crystal kind of grapple with that is really interesting.

And it makes them seem kind of more human because I feel like they're going through a lot of the same thought process that we are watching the show. Kyle and the rest of them have been friends, not all the rest of them, but a lot of them have been friends with Erica for longer, right? And so they've seen each other's secrets or their bad parts or maybe there's something. Maybe it's a stronger friendship there. And I think it is probably easier for Crystal to say, this person sucks. why are we not constantly calling out that this person sucks as opposed to someone who's like in it a little deeper um so i get why there's a difference in reaction to crystal's discomfort with erika and you know kyle's discomfort with erika because it just yeah i think it's not it's not a coincidence that

the people who have been the most questioning of erika in these last two seasons are but it does kind of make you wonder at a certain point how deep does that loyalty go from these other Fox Force women? And at what point do you have to look at the behavior and look at the material that you're being given and say, I don't know that this is somebody that still aligns with what I want in a friend. And I think that's where Crystal is kind of trying to challenge Dorit to, you know, either either take a stand or to just own up to the fact that it's like, yeah, I'd rather

just be friends with Erica, even if she's like, like, like, you know, kind of a heartless person. She's my friend and that's, you know, that's the side I've chosen. And I think it's, it makes me kind of excited in a way to see Crystal like, like bringing that question to the forefront because I think going in, we've heard that the reunion was super dramatic. It was apparently the first time that they've ever not taken a cast photo at the end because everybody just wanted to like get the fuck out of there.

And like going into the reunion, I'm like, okay, is there going to be kind of a shift in the way that these women are seeing Erica and like wanting to be or not wanting to be associated with her? I don't know, but it certainly seems like this Aspen trip has kind of changed things in a way. Definitely for Kyle. Maybe for Rina and Doree, it's too soon to know. Yeah. I still don't really get why Doreet felt so strongly that she had to. go to Erica. It doesn't make sense to me.

It would be one thing going with her that night or something when it was so heated. But the way the next day that Kyle was like begging her to come to Kimosabi and she just wouldn't, it felt like in this moment, Erica's fine. Just leave her and Diana at the cafe or whatever. And like clearly it's like not more than a 10 minute walk to get to the other store. Just like go for a little bit. Right.

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Red Bull gives you wings. Visit Red Bull.com slash Bright Summer ahead to learn more. See you this summer. I also think that there's some, I think there's some, like, underlying tension between Doreet and Kyle that you kind of see come out in a lot of episodes, like they're friends. But I also kind of feel like maybe they don't like each other that much, actually. I feel like they do a lot of little digs at each other. More Kyle towards Doreet,

like in the last episode where Doret said she was scared of being in the house because like what happened with her. And Kyle was like, well, in her confessional, she was like, I think Doret just like likes nice hotel. I do think they're they almost sometimes seem like frenemies like you've seen them over the years I feel like we've seen them kind of get into it a lot more than other people and so I don't know I feel like there's something in that fight that's underlying that's not really being spoken about. They've had some speed bumps over the years definitely like a couple years ago when like Teddy's retreat was happening and Derreet was like late because of her glam I think they was but they had a couple of episodes where they were kind of not on great terms and then came back together. And I think I would be curious if P.K. and Maricio weren't such good friends. I'm not sure if Dorete and Kyle would feel kind of this bond of like we're supposed to be sisters and besties and whatever. Like, you think that definitely plays a part in it. And I think this episode, they're like screaming at each other in

the kitchen. And Maricio is the one who drops in and is like, hey, hey, I think we need to cool it down. Yeah, I'm speaking on behalf of P.K. Yeah, like, what? Like, right. He's like, he's like, basically like, don't fuck up this friendship for me. Like, just work it out. It's basically, because he hasn't, he hasn't come in the middle of any.

He hasn't really been commenting on the other stuff. Right. Maricio has been there this whole time. But like, we don't really see him getting involved in the Erica stuff or in whatever happened with Kathy, at least not yet. So it is kind of funny that Doreet and Kyle yelling at each other over Kim Sabe is like the moment when he's like, hey, hey, ladies, ladies, ladies, ladies, let's hug it out. Let's have a moment. Like, okay, sure. Yeah. I agree. Kyle is like, she's just constantly crying. She just is cries at every single little, I don't know how she has that much energy just for tears. I'm kind of like, everything can't be that upsetting. It is funny because Kyle has been on this show. for so long. And I feel like she has just,

she's been through like more intense stuff, like all the stuff that happened with Kathy on the show, events on this show. And the way that she's just like a puddle over Doreet, not spending the day with her. Or her sister leaving. Her sister. It's like, damn, like, are, are you good?

Are you okay? Yeah. Like, obviously this trip to Aspen has been dramatic and maybe not what Kyle had in mind, but it's like, I don't know if we need to be like sobbing multiple times a day. Yeah, it's a lot to me. I just feel like she cries constantly and there's just very little, you would think, like, you agree with what you said. Like, after how many years on this show, you think she'd have a little bit of a thicker skin? Yeah. And it does kind of make me wonder going into next week's episode. Obviously, we end with these text messages from Rina to Erica about

Kathy having this meltdown when they were in the sprinter van and saying all these horrible things to Kyle. It makes me kind of nervous for how Kyle's going to place on this trip. Kathy ripping into her in a sprinter van is kind of like really not what she needs right now. Not going to go well. I have to say, the Hilton sisters love to have a breakdown in the sprinter van. I feel like with Rina. Do you remember? I feel like there was one with There was a few, many seasons ago, it was like Kim having a little bit of a breakdown in the van with Rina and then Rina again, like, told everyone that she was like on the breakup death.

There's the scene of when like, um, I think they're on the way to Eileen's poker night. Yes. I think that was. She's like, oh, like, oh, are you like murdery? Like you're giving whatever. And it's like, okay. Like, I don't know what's happening right now, but I'd really like to not be in this car anymore. Yeah.

The Richard sisters need to not break down in front of Rina because she tells. She just not keep it quiet. And somehow, some way Rina feels like she has this kind of in to be involved in the sister drama that she's like, she's like, well, yeah.

I'm gonna, like in the, even in the trailer for the season, there's that moment of like the, her Kyle and Kathy sitting. And it's like, are you like, is Rina like mediating this discussion?

Yeah. That seems like, like, however you feel about Lisa Rina, I don't think she's like a third party objective observer enough to be mediating anybody else's conflict. Not at all. She's definitely, doesn't she have a new grandchild also, Kathy? And we'll see, maybe she can bring it back to the reunion for old time's sake and give it back to Rina. Yeah, I don't know how that reunion is going to go for Rina. She, they just this week dropped the official schedule and like the supposedly final line.

up for BravoCon. And of the Beverly Hills cast, Diana and Rina are not going to be there. Oh, wow. It's- Rina's missing something? I find that shocking. There is, maybe there's an envelope opening across town and she had to put that instead. But yeah, I mean, Rina, I think she was, she's, she wasn't ever on the list to be there this

year and she's maybe given some people, some different reasons for why. There was like a friend of Rose something. But I feel like BravoCon is one of those things where it's like if you're a Bravo veteran and you're not there, that's a conscious choice. Even if there's some other event or some other thing happening, it's like, you knew that was going to be. Yeah. This is the Academy Awards of Bravo, of Real Housewives.

You've got to be there. Is the Super Bowl. But I, yeah, I mean, obviously looking forward to finding out more of what happened. after the caribou club next week. But Jordana, this has been so fun breaking it down with you. Thank you so much for having me. It's always, always so fun to get into this. I hope I come back at some point again this season.

Absolutely. We have a few episodes left, of course, and then the reunion this season. But in the meantime, Jordana, can you tell everyone where they can listen to you and follow you? Thank you. So you can follow me at Jordana Abraham. You can listen to me on the U.S. podcast or if you want more of a breakdown of interpersonal relationships, both in real housewivesland and not, you can listen to my podcast over sharing anywhere you get your podcasts.

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