Mention It All - Housewives on the High Seas (RHOSLC, RHOP, RHOC Finale)

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

It’s another Friday packed with Real Housewives recaps, but first, Dylan has to spend some time unpacking his latest hyperfixation: Stacey Rusch’s viral QVC clips. Look at that camel! From there, he dives into the dramatic waters of RHOSLC’s Below Deck crossover, where Heather’s big Lisa Barlow confrontation goes… exactly as expected. Next, he discusses the RHOC season finale, which is mostly a snooze until the last 10 minutes go off the rails. Gretchen is (allegedly) a homophobe, Tamra is (allegedly) leaking filming details to the press, and these editors are definitely exhausted. Later, Dylan shares some thoughts about RHOP’s Nevis trip, before sharing the divorce news that’s All The Rage, presented by Angry Orchard Hard Cider. Go to the BravoByBetches YouTube page to watch full length episodes every Tuesday: Youtube.com/@BravoByBetches Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're going to check me, boo. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. We have made it to the end of another week. And you know what has been getting me through this week, more than anything else. We have new Housewives episodes to talk about. You know, we've got good stuff going on over on YouTube at Bravo by Betches. We had Macy from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives on the podcast earlier this week.

We've got, you know, fun episodes coming up, so you should all go subscribe. But the thing that has really been getting me through this week has been all of these clips that have been going around, making the rounds on TikTok, on Twitter. Maybe they've made it to Instagram reels. I'm not sure. So maybe you'll get it in a week if you're only on Instagram. But all of these clips of our Potomac Queen Stacey Russ. from her time on QVC, I have been loving them because the QVC intonation, the QVC way of speaking

about things and way of just stretching every thought into, you know, just yappy, yappy yapping about any necklace, any sweater, any scarf for, you're just fill in time. Stacey is an artist. All of these clips that have been going around, the one that has gone the most viral, which you may have seen, it's a royal blue sweater with an embroidered camel on the front of it.

And the way that she speaks about this camel, it's, this sweater is just stunning. And this camel that's on the sweater, look at this camel. This camel represents joy, represents the miracle of Christmas. Because what does this camel represent? Well, the three wise men coming to see baby Jesus,

and they were bringing gifts. And so this camel, you know, just look at the camel. It is wonderful, awe-inspiring. She talks for 45 seconds about this camel, and I swear to God, it's the ugliest sweater I've ever seen, and I want it. I don't know how KV is. works like if you can still buy, if these clips are from a few years ago, I don't know if you can

still buy any of this stuff. If so, I feel like that camel sweater is going to fly off the shelves this weekend. There's another one. There's these like drop earrings that she's talking about and she's like, you need length. You need style. You need elegance. You need gems. Gemstones. Stones in your ear. the way that she, I mean, you guys know I love the way that Stacey speaks, but specifically the way that she is speaking in these QVC clips, she is spinning gold out of some of the ugliest garments you have ever seen in your life. And that, I mean, that's what QVC is about. There's another one where she's talking about this pair of shoes and it's these red faux leather, so plastic, like loafer, moccasin kind of thing. and it is so great because she is clearly talking to women ages 70 and above, who, let's be honest, that's probably who's watching QVC most of the time. But she is, she's just speaking to

them on such a level. She goes, she goes, you see the bottom of these shoes? You see how much grip is on the bottom of these shoes? You are going to be feeling so sturdy with the ground under you. You're going to be feeling so sturdy in these shoes. And the nice thing, because they're a man Manmade material, which is a, just a wonderful way to say plastic. They're plether shoes. She goes, this manmade material is so fabulous. Because if you're with the grandkids, you know, you're hanging out with the grandkids. If you spill a little dollop of something on the shoes, you can just wipe it right off.

It's like, so you're saying these plastic shoes are great because they're grippy on the floor. And you can just wipe them clean if you're dropping food all over the place. But she is making, she's selling it. She is selling it. And I, look, Stacey, I think is one of those women where she has that unique, just kind of like it factor. Where when you're watching her on Housewives, she, she doesn't seem like a real person, but she is alien in such a fascinating way that she is just utterly watching. And I think that she is, you know, one of those cases where she might be a hard person to kind of figure out if you're in a social context with her. And I think we're seeing that the women, I mean, first of all, they think she's lying about stuff, which, you know, isn't a great place to start.

But they also just, like, don't get her. So she's having a tough time with the group. But then watching the show and also seeing all of these clips of her on social media. I'm like, oh, this is an icon. This woman is so, she's important to me. She's like, perfect. Also, I mean, she's stunning. She was on Watch What Happens Live earlier this week, and she looks like a Barbie doll.

She's beautiful. She is unintentionally hilarious, but also maybe a little intentionally hilarious, too. I think she thinks she's funny in a different way than she's actually funny. But she is funny. She's making me laugh, but I also am kind of rooting for her because it feels like the women are so against the idea of her that I'm like, you know what? Stacey can hang. If Wendy doesn't want to be around her, she can come hang with me. Right?

Like, it's just, yeah. And I feel like that QVC energy that she has where she is so, so confident in her words, no matter how silly they are, is translating in a really fascinating way to have. housewives because she's going to sell it no matter what it is. It might be the fakes pair of earrings you've ever seen. It's your man-made material moccasins that you can wipe off with the grandkids. It's a fake relationship with a guy that maybe she was allegedly paying to be on the show, but she's going to sell that shit. Like, her life depends on it. You know, I actually would love to see, you know, they do like actors on actors. I would love to see Stacey and Lisa Rina do like a QVC host on QVC host sit down?

I just think the way that they, the talent, it's a talent. It's a God-given talent. The way that they can just yap about anything and make you see why you need it. I'm really enjoying Stacey. We'll get to Potomac a little bit more in a few minutes, but I do, I want to talk without further ado about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City because the girls have left the dock. They are on this, they are on this godforsaken yacht cruise trip. And I just want to know, why have we not done this sooner?

It has taken, what, a decade plus to get a full cast of Real Housewives onto a below-deck yacht? The fact that we have it now is just making me more upset that we haven't had it for all of these years because it's just so smart. Now, I don't know how they're going to, or if they're going to show a different perspective of this at all on below deck down under when it comes back. Is it down under? Because they're not in Australia.

Now, I know we get a little loosey-goosey sometimes with the geography, but does below-deck down-under not need to be in Australia? Because they're in the Caribbean. They're flying, oh my God, the way that they have to fly to get to this trip. They're like, we're going from Salt Lake City to Newark and then Newark to Barbados. And then I'm guessing a little plane from Barbados to the island that they're actually leaving from. God, a 16-hour travel day and you're not even crossing an ocean. I'm sorry, count me out.

I can't do these little islands. Not that anybody's like inviting me to these little islands. But, you know, on Potomac too, they're like, okay, we have to take. we're taking a plane to St. Kitts, and then we take a boat to Nevis, and based on the scene that we watch of them on the boat, they're on the boat for a while. I'm like, if Angie's getting seasick sitting still on that big-ass yacht, I would be keeled over the side on that boat of Potomac. They're on the ocean. But, you know, nautical logistics aside, it is just so wonderful to see the Salt Lake women showing. up, you know, they're being greeted on the dock by the whole receiving line. You know, Heather has the Captain Jason connect. She's like, when Whitney and I were on vacation in Australia, we spent

a bit of time with Captain Jason. It's like, I'm sure you did. Later, when she says that they, what did she say, fooled around, they messed her out. And then she's like, I didn't say that. You can't use that. Cut it out. Cut it out. Heather. Did Heather, Captain Jason fuck? This would be this would be, I mean, that's important information. Because let me tell you, we're coming up on another BravoCon. BravoConn, 2003 was like the Captain Jason Olympics in the sense that every single, single woman, both Bravo Liberty and attendee, I would say, had like a little bit of a fantasy that they had a chance with Captain Jason that weekend. Adriana wanted to get with Captain Jason, maybe Ashley Darby wanted to get with Captain Jason.

He was like the hot piece of meat at the market. And so if Heather Gay got it in with Captain Jason, I mean, a round of applause, truly. And it seems like Brittany Bateman might be a little bit jealous. Because Britney, you know, she has broken her 30-day Jared Osmond fast on And what was it? Day one or two? How far do we think we made it? But she seems, I mean, Brittany seems to be in the market for a man on this below deck excursion. But Captain Jason, I mean, he's a good looking dude. I'm glad we get to see Daisy. Daisy is, she's in the trenches

with these housewives. Joao is there. I haven't thought about Joao in years. I kind of thought we were like done with him. Wasn't Joelle like problematic in some way? I mean, in a sense, I guess every man who's been on below deck is, is problematic in some way, some more than others. I don't remember. It's hard to keep track. But it's just fun to see.

It's fun to see them down there. Ben is, Ben is chefing. I was curious, though, how much below deck action we would get on these episodes. And I will say from this first chunk, we're not. getting the full below-deck experience. Now, I think that's okay. I have not been a very loyal below-deck watcher in the last few years, as you'll know from listening to me, not talk about below-deck hardly ever on this podcast. But, you know, we're not really seeing, like, what's the dynamic between the stews this season? We're not seeing what's going on in the laundry

while, you know, while Lisa Barlow is having a meltdown up on the, you know, the sky bridge or whatever they call it. We're really seeing a housewives episode with little flashes of below-deckness, mostly in the form of the women flirting with Captain Jason, and of course also Mary being brought her dinner in the room because Angie is too ill to come to the table. Now, there's just a lot going on, and I think that is like one of the great things about Real House Stories of Salt Lake City is that there's always so much going on. It's a rich tapestry, and especially the way that boat is laid out. There is so much to look at all the time. And before we even leave the dock, Lisa and Angie are already throwing their digs at each other. I love, you know, from last week,

we knew that Lisa was really focused on how Angie had never been on a yacht before. And normally, she goes on vacation on an RV, so this will be really exciting for her. Lisa's like, you know, I like to be on a yacht, but it's not that, you know, it's, it's whatever. It's a Tuesday. I'm here. Meanwhile, Angie's like, yeah, I'm really excited to be on the yacht, except spending time with Lisa, so I'm going to keep my distance. Or second thought, maybe I'll stand next to her and make my ankles look smaller. Like, where did that even come from? Now we're, now we're talking about the ankles? Now, aside from Sutton, whose legs are like famously toothpicks, ankle slander is, that's pretty unique.

It's pretty niche. But Angie's having to dig deeper and deeper into the bag of insults, and I respect the creativity. One of the big question marks this episode is what is going on with Bronwyn's legal situation? And arguably, more importantly, where is the conversation coming from about Bronwyn's legal stuff? Who's bringing it to the forefront? And is that person named Lisa Barlow, which, you know, most of the people in the show, I think, would agree. would say yes. Lisa does not share that same opinion.

But Lisa does seem kind of happy that they're talking about Bronman's legal issues because she's like, she's like, I don't like to use the word karma because I think it gets thrown around too much, but like, Bronman was talking about my stuff and now we're talking about Brownman's stuff. So, mm-hmm.

It's like Lisa, if you, I know, you know, maybe it's circumstantial evidence, maybe it wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but if you don't want people to think that you are responsible for something, maybe you should just take a step away from the proceedings. Because, you know, when Bronwyn brings up the legal stuff at lunch, she's like, I just want to clear up some stuff, you know, this was in the past, this wasn't what it was, this was, you know, a penal code that could mean a lot of things.

And so it didn't mean Grand Theft Auto and thank you very much for your concern, but also fuck all of you. And she says that she and Todd were upset because it seemed like someone in the group was putting stuff out there. And literally unsolicited, Lisa's like, well, I don't think anybody in the group would do that. No, it doesn't sound. I think that you, I think that you did all this stuff so somebody else was putting it out there. And I would literally never do that. It's like, girl, the Lisa doth protest too much.

Nobody said you. And it's like, that's the kind of thing where maybe at the beginning, people in the group are 50-50 of, oh, maybe Lisa's the one who's digging stuff up, but also I don't want to believe that she could be doing that because that's so sinister and she's our friend and yada, yada, yada. If people are 50-50 and then you have that reaction, pretty quick people are going to be 80-20. people are going to be 90-10 thinking, wow, it really seems like Lisa's the one who has something to answer for here. We're never going to get a real answer, though. We're never going to get a real answer.

Because later, at the first dinner, so Heather and Whitney have had this conference with Meredith, where after lunch, they're like, we really got to talk about our friend Lisa Barlow. Because it just seems kind of undeniable at this point that she has a pattern of doing this, that she has done it in the past, that she's probably doing it to Bronwyn right now, and that, you know, chances are she's going to do it to somebody else, maybe one of us, again in the future. And Meredith, you know, Meredith is smart about this because Meredith just has more of an even-keeled understanding of how is something like this going to be portrayed, how is it going to be

received, and what is the fallout going to be? And so Meredith isn't going to be like, you know what? Yeah, it must be Lisa. It must be Lisa. She must be the one spreading this because first of all, she doesn't know for sure. Second of all, she doesn't want to be on camera saying it because that's incriminating. And third of all, maybe she's actually conflicted about her friend Lisa Barlow. I don't know. Maybe. But so at dinner, Whitney and Heather, got to bring it up. They're like, Meredith, do you have anything you want to say? And Meredith's like, what? And they're like, maybe do you want to bring up the conversation that we were having earlier? And Meredith's like, yeah, I think you should bring it up. And they're like, what about you? It's like, girls, ladies. That was so funny to me because I'm like, this was Whitney and Heather's conversation that they recruited Meredith to join. Meredith was never as sure as the two of them.

And then they expect Meredith to bring it up of her own accord at dinner. it's like you have spent how many seasons, how many dinners like this with Meredith Marks? Come on. Come on. But Heather says that she thinks Lisa is the source of all the dirt. And Lisa, obviously, flips the fuck out. She flips out.

She loses it. She says that she hears stuff about her everywhere she goes. When she's going to get a Diet Coke, she hears stuff about her. When she's with the harmones, she hears stuff about her and that they have nothing to feed off of if she's not there and you're lucky i fucking talk to any of you i mean it's the same lisa barlow bluster that we've been hearing all season about how she does big things and she's so much better than them and she is hanging out with

ben affleck and they're you know scraping the gum off the bottom of her shoe and you know chewing it to get a second hand high i mean it's exactly how you think it's going to go and heather seems so upset and so taken aback that Lisa was so upset and it's like truly how did you envision this playing out because Lisa Barlow we know her at this point Heather knows her at this point she's not somebody who ever admits she's wrong apologizes or sits down and has these conversations quietly so for Heather to be like I just don't know why she can't blah blah blah blah blah blah it's like it doesn't why she can't she can't she won't she doesn't she never does so i don't know where we go from there the episode ends with lisa sobbing on the like inflatable

dock thing that goes off the side of the boat which is just like a funny image i just like it's so dramatic but that's not even honestly the most dramatic thing that happens at the dinner because brittany and meredith get into it and i loved this because Bronwyn decides to tell Meredith that Brittany has been talking some shit about her. And we see that Brittany told Bronwyn that whenever she's around Meredith, Meredith has some sort of seizure,

that's the word she uses, and like can't have a conversation with her. That she like freaks out and doesn't want to be in the same room and she has a seizure. And so Bronwyn repeats this to Meredith, that she pretends to have seizure, whenever she sees her. And Meredith is,

it's like, I mean, she sees red. She says, you, you, I've never had a seizure. I find that to be despicable. Because I have never had a seizure, but many people have, including one of my children. So how dare you? How dare you? And Brittany goes, see,

this is the seizure that I'm talking about. It's like, Britney! No! No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's like, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you mean, but you just use the word again. It's like, oh, my God, no, no, no, no. It's like, if you get called out for saying something offensive and then somebody responds

and you're like, you say it again, it's like, right, right, right, no, no, now you're digging yourself a grave. because Brittany had the easiest chance to just be like, I'm so sorry I shouldn't have used that word, but can we talk about the fact that you can't be around me? Meredith would have still been upset, but it would have been not the same. Just, oh my God.

And then there's this chaotic moment happening where Meredith takes a glass away from Brittany, and then Brittany picks up somebody else's glass, and there is water in the air and Meredith is like batting away the water with her hand. Just, I don't know. It's one of those moments where you're like, did something get thrown? Was a glass thrown?

Did somebody get hit? Was it just water? What's going on? Is the teak on the boat going to be stained? And then that's going to be a whole thing because we're on below deck. And so somebody might care about that if you like below deck. Just a lot going on. And I was not expecting for Britney Bateman.

to get physical with anybody with even a glass of water. Now, because this happens pretty shortly before the Lisa and Heather blow up, I feel like we don't fully unpack the throwing the water, the seizure comments. I feel like it kind of gets swept aside a little bit, but I am curious to see over the following episodes, if Meredith decides to make this into a bigger thing, because we have seen, you know, just as recently as this season of Miami, throw in a glass of water can turn into quite the debacle. And, you know, right now it seems like Brittany has maybe almost gotten off easy for this. But Meredith doesn't seem like the type to just let that kind of thing go.

So we'll see. We'll see. The one thing I want to just touch on earlier in the episode, when Brittany and Whitney are unpacking, Brittany has brought this. stuffed animal. I think it might be from build a bear. It's a unicorn. And you know how build a bear, you can put a little, like, speaker thing in the animal so that when you press a button, it has, you can record a little message. And Brittany, a woman who is in her 40s, at least. She's like 55, I'm being told. Um, don't do. She has. She has. has a unicorn that when you press the foot is Jared Osmond's voice going, good night, baby, you are loved.

Oh my God. That's the premise of a horror movie, that you have a unicorn that has Jared Osmond's voice saying, good night, baby, you are loved. How old are they? Literally, literally, everything about their relationship is giving high school. it is making my skin crawl to hear that. And then later when Whitney and Heather are in the room and they're like playing it back and laughing about it,

I'm like, I would do the same thing. I truly. Brittany, like, I can't. I can't. And so I won't. And so we'll move on. Make every get-together chill. This Memorial Day, get up to an extra $1,000 off select top brand appliances like LG.

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This week was the finale. Oh, Gratchers. Oh, Gratchers. It's not good. Honestly, the whole rest of the episode, until the last 10, 15 minutes is kind of whatever. They're still in Amsterdam. You know, Heather gets to go spread her dad's ashes, which is a really nice moment. You know, Shannon is high again. She thinks she hears music and there's just no music. Some people are biking. Some people are shopping.

Overall, you know, Amsterdam's a lovely city. I'm glad these ladies had a nice last day. I don't know, not that interesting. But they get to the last dinner. And of course, the elephant in the room that has not been brought up is these tweets or posts that Gretchen has allegedly liked that are anti-LGBQ plus, as Gina says. And I, she's correct, but also you could tell that you never heardse that in the mirror where she's like, Gretchen, you've liked a lot of anti-LGBQ plus posts. And look, we, I love an ally. Go Gina girl. But we have a lot. But we have a lot. We have seen enough women on these shows to be like LGQ, LGBQ, LGBQT, what's the letter? Can I get it right? Like, Gina didn't stutter. And I just, I just know she practiced. And good for her.

Ally. But we get to the last dinner and I'm waiting for this to happen. And it's a supersized episode, which I don't think was necessary, but whatever. We're at the last dinner. And we start to see people's end of season little epilogue cards. And of course the OC has the iconic, did it do ding ding ding ding ding. Ding ding ding ding. Like Heather had the longest year of her life and she's still not done selling her Beverly Hills, whatever.

And I'm like, okay, when's it going to happen? We've still got some stuff to get to. And this is when Gina brings it up. She's like, okay, so we got to talk about. these posts. And of course, immediately, everyone in the group is, is horrified and upset by this, except seemingly Gretchen. Because, you know, we see some of the posts. Heather's being shown the phone. Shannon and Jen are seeing what they're talking about. Heather is livid. She leaves the table, she's crying. She's, you know, she is so upset. Shannon is horrified. I honestly was,

I don't want to say impressed because, like, the bar is on the floor, but like, I was a little surprised how upset most of the women in the group were by this. Like, for Shannon to be so hurt and upset by the idea that someone in their circle has these views about the queer community, I'll just say, I don't take that for granted right now because of the world we live in. I know that some people feel like this. And so to see that it was so upsetting to Shannon that somebody, anybody, let alone somebody in their group might feel like this, I honestly was like good for her. But Gretchen just seems kind of like mildly peeved that this is coming up. And she denies it.

I mean, to her, I don't want to say credit, but like she does deny it. want to acknowledge that. And she, but kind of. She denies feeling this way and she denies knowing what Gina's talking about. But the way she's like, oh, well, I probably just like, I don't know, I scroll really fast. I just tap on things. I probably didn't know what it meant, like, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, girl, bitch. No. I don't know. I mean, I don't want to be, I don't want to be the, the Heather Gay jumping to conclusion. when Meredith Marx might be a little more sensible in saying, we don't know what we don't know. I will just say, I don't believe Gretchen. I don't believe Gretchen.

I don't feel like I have any reason to believe Gretchen. I don't feel like I really want to believe Gretchen. Because I don't think that Gretchen is a great person. And I don't think that Gretchen is an LGBTQ ally. I don't, great that she had a drag queen perform at a Tupperware party at her house. that doesn't mean anything. Like, okay, you supported the LGBTQ that day because you paid a performer. I mean, maybe they paid a performer.

I don't even know if they got paid. But like, I just don't, to me, it doesn't feel false that Gretchen would like these tweets. So I don't feel inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. And it is what it is. I mean, if you do, that's your choice. but with the women in the group, they seem to kind of be struggling with the same thing, where Gretchen is saying, look, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what this is, I don't know what this is, I didn't know, I didn't like it, I didn't see it.

And she calls Slade, which, you know, Jen says that this is a bad choice and I tend to agree that it's like, this is a situation where you should be locked in on what's going on in the room and how you can possibly try to deal with it and try to fix it or say something or do something for Gretchen to leave the table and call Slade crying and complain about how she's being attacked. And, you know, isn't this so insane that they would think I'm homophobic, which is like, no, it's not insane that they would think you're homophobic. You talk about the Bible every 12 seconds and you have supported, you know, other questionable things. and Slade tells her, you don't have to defend yourself. These women know you.

And so she comes back to the table. She goes, well, Slate said, I have to defend myself. And it's like, no, you do. And I mean, Heather says, you do have to defend yourself if you want to keep our friendship. Do you think these things about my kids? Gretchen just like, she's not good at this. She's not good at seeming sincere. it kind of reminds me of last week on Salt Lake City when Brittany was meeting with her daughter.

And it's like as she's saying the things, you already can tell that it's like, I don't believe it and I'm not sure that she believes it either. And for some reason, Gretchen just like can't get to a place in this moment where it seems like she really is affected by this. She's like, I don't know what you want me to do. I don't know what you want me to say. It's like, I don't know, girl. figure it out. And that's kind of, I mean, it's kind of what they tell her. But then the next day, they're like, you know, they sleep on it and a few of them are in the car and they're talking about, well, I don't know. Because Gina's like, I tried to look at the post and I couldn't find them and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, if Tamara's known about this for a year. And then it's been brought up on the show, it's like, it's not unfathomable to me that something would have been deleted or Gretchen would have gone back in unlike things. look, I don't know. I don't know. Forensic social media, that's not my job. But all of a sudden, things start to sort of circle back on Tamara. Because even at the table when Gretchen is first accused, Shannon asks Tamara, how long did you know? And Tamara says for about a year. And Shannon seems pretty upset with the idea that Tamara would have known this about their friend Gretchen, well, friend in quotation marks, I guess, but somebody in the group for a year.

year and not brought it up because Shannon says, this is serious. And why would you basically let us be around this person if you know that this type of information would be upsetting to us? And Tamara's explanation, which I understand, but also it's maybe not great. She's like, well, I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't. I don't want to always be, you know, I'm always the villain. So if I bring it up, then I'm the villain. It's like, yeah, but also like there's a woman in this group with a transgender child. So, like, it's, it's a little different than, like, oh, I heard T about this such and such. But now the next day, Gina's thinking about it. She's saying, oh, now I, I'm feeling set up by Tamara because she had this information for a year. And then she

told me, like, a week ago, and then I brought it up on camera. And now we don't know if it's true. And it's like, okay, well, Gina, I mean, you still made the choice to bring it up on camera. Like, whatever. But it gets worse when they go home. A week later, there's a, there's like a quick scene with Gretchen and Slade and a quick scene with Eddie and Tamara, which are really not interesting, aside from the fact that it just feels so crazy to see Gretchen and Slade filming at home. And Slade looks like a regular 50-year-old man.

And Gretchen is wearing, like, full pageant makeup to sit on the couch. for 30 seconds and be like, I can't believe Tamara would say this. And it's like, you sat in a glam chair for like three hours for this dumb little scene. And her glam is just like, oh my God, it's painful to look at. The like bump in the hair, the like full glitter eye shadow. It's like, it is 10 a.m. And you're in your living room. It's too much.

And I don't, look, look, being a woman on TV, it's, it's. It's a lot. I don't begrudge these women for being in hair and makeup, but it's just like the full, the full beat face and like done hair is so funny to me. It's just the way that Gretchen does it. She looks a mess. I'm sorry. But then, even later, we're getting like PS, PPS, PPS, two weeks before the premiere, there's another wrench because a somebody anonymous, a blogger, I don't know, has reached out to Gina. And Shannon and Jen and said that Tamara has been leaking information and details from filming the entire season. And so it's the screen shot that they're looking at and then they get on speakerphone and are talking with the guy has the voice changer. It's very like deep throat giving you information about President Nixon. Um, will, will Tamara have to resign in disgrace? I don't know.

remains to be seen. But this guy on the phone is walking them through like a full list of things that happened this season that he knew about in real time. He alleges because Tamara was telling him all of it. So it's like specific dates and, okay, so on this date, this person and this person went to lunch and they talked about this. On this date, you know, Katie,

Katie stopped filming with the group on this date. And then on this date, she and Tamara, you know, they did this and somebody said this. At this party, this is what happened. And all of this, you know, timing-wise, this conversation is happening before there's even a trailer for the season yet. Nothing has aired. Nothing has happened. And it's hard to know. Because I don't know.

I have always been very, I don't want to know about everything that's happening during filming. I prefer not to. I think some of the best seasons are the ones where we have no idea what the storylines are going to be, no idea what the conflict is, and it just sneaks up out of nowhere. But there are people out there who spend a lot of time and effort paying attention to where these women are going, who's filming with the group, who's seen out and about with the group, who's getting on the plane to go on the trip, who was seen at a restaurant feuding with who. I mean, they're filming Next Gen NYC right now. And just earlier this week, there was like rumors on Twitter about Riley and Georgia getting into some fight. Like, this is a thing. So to me, the idea that a blogger, whoever, would have a pretty solid amount of information about a season being filmed is not incriminating in and of itself.

but I could see there may be details that this person knows that are more specific than just like this is this one scene that I happened to be at the restaurant and they were filming that night. I don't know. I mean, it's, I think the thing with Tamara is that whether or not this is true and whether or not you like Tamara or want to believe that this is true, it's believable. Tamara's credibility is not really there right now. She has definitely done things that would seem like this is something she would do. And so, you know, at the end of the day, these women who have been through the ringer with Tamara for however many seasons are not primed to give her the benefit of the doubt. So it's a messy way to end the season.

Watching it, watching the end of the episode was like a little bit strange because it was kind of like, okay, the season's, over, oh, wait, we have to talk about Gretchen's posts that she liked. So that's going to be the big, you know, the big boom clap ending. And then, oh, wait, there's this other thing and how, wait, now we're two months before the premiere. When did the rest of this stuff happen? It's very, it's messy. It's interesting. But it's not tidy. And so now going into the reunion, there's a lot of question marks. I mean, it feels kind of crazy. that I feel like we basically forgot about Katie already. And that was like a whole major thing that happened this season where somebody left the group

halfway through and didn't go on the cast trip. And she's going to be at the reunion. I feel like I haven't thought about Katie in weeks. And now we have this whole Gretchen question to get to. And then we have Tamara's whole debacle. It's a lot to sort through at the reunion. And I'm curious kind of like how that's going to be handled where you have three different people on the cast in situations that seem like they could be detrimental to their continued

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I'm also really enjoying Potomac this season. This episode, I think, was like a little less substantial to talk about, so I think it's okay that we mostly just talked about when Stacey's QVC stuff at the beginning. But there's some interesting little stuff bubbling up. Jassy and Kiarna are really getting into it early in the episode at the Preakness. I think that's an interesting thread to follow. Jassy is somebody who, like, last year, she didn't make much of impression on me. but now that she's back with the group, I'm like, okay, I'm starting to get a little bit of something.

And I'm really interested in the dynamic between Angel and Jassy because they're both NFL wags. And we're getting a little battle of the wags because Angel makes a comment that her man, her husband, was a 10-year starter in the NFL. And so she's implying that Darius, Jassie's man, was a little bit of a bench warmer. And, you know, there's, she says, you know, every, it's great to be with a man that's in the NFL, but not all, not all NFL players are created equal. Amen, girl. Get that 10 year starter. That's what I would say. But I, you guys, we have to talk about this photo. This photo that's going around that is angels face, face tuned to fuck. Like, truly. looks like CGI Like Stacy would have a hell of a time describing this face on QVC

She'd be like, do you see how smooth? How smooth the palate is. All the colors are running together because you've used the smooth tool, the blur tool. And Angel, they bring it up at dinner, which first of all, messy. Like we're talking about somebody's face two and at dinner. This girl just got in the group like three weeks ago. And Angel has the audacity to tell us that there is no filter on this photo.

Now, this is, we have to have a conversation. When you join a show like this, there are layers to being truthful or to telling a little white lie. Telling us that this photo has no filter on it is laughable. And the producers, the editors know it too because they flashed this photo up on the screen at least five or six times throughout the conversation. They know, we know, every other woman in the group knows. And I'm sorry, Angel, you know.

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Now, this is something that happened last week that I didn't even have time to get into. And this really took me by surprise, because it's been a while since the Shaz of Sunset Gang has been in the spotlight, let's say. Now, we know that some of them are coming back probably next year in this The Valley Persian-style spinoff. But so far we haven't really seen anything about that. We haven't gotten any updates, you know, no premiere date. I'm assuming they're filming. And now I'm really assuming they're filming because we found out that MJ, Mercedes Javid, filed for divorce from her husband, Tommy.

Now, for the Shaz fans out there, you guys know, we have been through the ringer with Ms. M.J. We have seen her, her highs, her lows, her single times, her with Tommy times. It has not always been smooth sailing, but it really, I mean, the last couple seasons of Shaz, it didn't seem like, I want to say, I mean, it's been a minute, but like, I don't think her relationship with Tommy really seemed like it was stressful. Certainly there were times earlier because remember, when she gave birth and her birth was very traumatic and stressful.

And Reza wasn't allowed to see the baby for like, for like two years, I think. Because Tommy flipped out at Reza. It was like extremely dramatic. But it kind of seemed like at a certain point, we made it past that. Everybody kind of made up again. And I'll be honest, I have not thought about MJ and Tommy in a while. The last time I saw Mercedes was like a year ago. She did our betch of the year shoot in 2024 where we did this roundtable.

And of course, 2024 was the year that she was on traders and had her iconic meme of her, you know, backing up in the mesh shirt. And I, you know, I had met MJ before. She came to our shoot last year. She was the most lovely. I have always found her to be, you know, very, very demure, very mindful when I've talked to her, but you know that she can get heated up. And so we found out she filed to divorce Tommy after seven years of marriage citing irreconcilable differences, don't they always, as the reason for the split.

And she listed the date of separation as October 17th, which was like essentially right when she filed. and she wants to block spousal support in either direction and she's requesting sole legal and physical custody of her and Tommy's son Shams, who's six, by the way. Shams is so... I still think... Baby Shams. It's not a baby. That kid's probably in first grade.

And there's a divorce hearing set for December 18th. No, I mean, you know, it's always sad when a marriage breaks up. You know, we love a family. like we want to keep the family together. I hope that for everyone's sake, especially for baby shams, who's not a baby anymore, and of course for MJ and Tommy and everyone else involved,

I hope that this is not a super contentious situation. I hope that everybody's doing okay. But man, like, the hits start coming and they don't stop coming. And this has suddenly made me a bit more excited for the Valley Persian style. Because again, like I said, we have not seen or heard much of anything about this new show.

And, you know, whenever you're revisiting a group that has had high highs in the past, you never know if it's going to hit the same. You never know, you know, um, Gigi, of course, is a mother. MJ is a mother, you know, Reza seems happy. They've all gotten older. You wonder kind of like, has that lightning in a bottle? been extinguished. Like, is there still that energy there? And let me just say, a divorce, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. So we'll see what's going on there. Wishing the best, but,

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