Mention It All - How Much Delusion Is Too Much? Ft. Elle Murasaki (RHOA)

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

Dylan is joined by content creator Elle Murasaki, AKA @housewivesandchitchat, and they start with the latest updates on the RHOBH social media fiasco. Does Lisa Rinna even have a strategy at this point? Next, they recap RHOA, and discuss where the right level of delusion lies between Drew and Shereé. They also unpack Marlo and Kenya’s continued issues, and how they felt about Apollo’s return to the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and it is Monday, and I am excited to be joined by today's guest. She is a Bravo content creator, who I have really been enjoying on TikTok lately and also on Instagram. You know her as Housewives and Chit Chat. Please welcome El Marissa. Hi, thank you so much. Of course, thank you for being here. I was so excited that you were able to come on the show.

And I feel like the timing worked out really well because not only are we going to be recapping Real Housewives of Atlanta, but we've got some social media mess to talk about. And that's mess with like a capital M, capital E and two S is because it's all caps with a space in between each letter. Oh my God. I, so I recorded two episodes last week talking about the Beverly Hills drama that had already gone down. And when I knew you were coming on on Monday, I had seen you post some videos about it. I was like, oh, I'm sure, like, well, you know, I'll get her thoughts about it. We'll, like, touch base on that. But then Lisa Rina decided over the weekend that now she wants to be, have main character villain energy.

And I feel, I feel duped because the other day, I was on this podcast saying like, As much as Lisa Rina is a mess and a clown sometimes, I feel like she handled this situation better than some of the rest of them. You know, she was one of the first ones to speak out about the attacks on Garcel's son and all of that stuff. And I was like, okay, like she, you know, she spoke up. I appreciate that. And then now that energy has shifted to something different.

Well, unpopular opinion. I don't think it was a shift. I personally feel like her early apology was hit dogs holler energy. Like, oh, let me just put it out there. Like, she plays the or attempts to play the PR game very well. So I felt like it was kind of like, no, look, can't look in my direction. I've already, I've already said something. Right.

Like she addresses everything and then she deletes half of it. And then you don't actually know where she stands. And so over the weekend, she posted this bizarre video where she basically suggested that maybe the Beverly Hills production company was behind the bot attacks in an attempt to divert attention from whatever is going to happen on this Aspen trip, which, first of all, we haven't seen the Aspen trip. They didn't even have a new episode last week. So if they're trying to divert the attention, they did it a week or two too early. But also, like, I just don't believe that that's, what's happening here. I don't think that that's what's happening. And at this point, I am like, child, forget Aspen. Go get the cameras and film this. This is every four hours. It's new breaking news. Like, it's the Patrick Summers. It's the Lisa Rina post. It's the Cherie and Diana Jenkins. It's just like, who cares about Aspen at this point? Right. Like, Kathy Hilton may be saying a homophobic slur in Aspen, like, I would like to know what happened, but I'm certain, like, this feels more important to me at this point. Yeah, but like, did the cast members hire bots? Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's important. And we do need to unpack that really quick. Can you answer this?

And so then afterward, after she also then the Bravo statement that all of the Beverly Hills cast members re-shared last week, which, you know, that's its own separate thing, how we feel about that statement. But Lisa Rina had posted. it last week. And then now it is no longer on her profile. And C.C. loves you on Instagram had DM'd Rina to ask what happened about, you know, why she took down that post. And Lisa Rina posted her DM replies and said, I archived it. That's all. I've been keeping my social page very edited if you will notice. I'm keeping it very positive, non-negative, in fashion, and fun. I don't want anything negative on my grid. And since my own children are being threatened as we speak, I felt it best to archive it. The statement did nothing, so why keep it up?

Our children are getting death threats, all of our children. It's gone beyond and I need to keep my family safe now. I will no longer be saying or posting anything about the show. What? Yeah, no, honestly what? Like, um, okay. Like, what was that? But it's, the positioning is so weird to me, right?

Like, obviously the people that started attacking portion, And all that's horrible. That should not be done. That was an isolated incident. Here, somebody purchased comet bots to attack somebody. And instead of focusing on that, and instead of using your platform to say, hey, Bravo, like, I'm publicly saying that we need to investigate this, we now, all of the other cast members are now all of a sudden receiving death threats. And that's what we should be talking about.

Right. And I mean, she's kind of trying to have it both ways where she's saying like, oh, like to keep my page fashion and fun and whatever, which like, I, okay, fine, if you want an aesthetic, that's one thing. But then she's saying that the reason she deleted it was because now her kids are getting threats and she just wants to be like removed from the situation. And it's like, okay, but those aren't, those aren't the same thing. Like, if you're deleting it with an actual purpose of protecting your family, then maybe

you should be upfront about that or say something about that or address that in a more a meaningful way, but just archiving the post and being like, nah, I want my page to be fun. Isn't like, if there's an actual reason where you're trying to protect your kids, you should say that because then it comes across like, you're just like, nah, fuck Garcel. I don't like her anyway. And it's like, okay, well, there's more going on here. Exactly. There's a lot to unpack.

But it's, again, it's just all weird to me. Like when you just kind of zoom out and look at the whole situation, you look at the, names that kept coming up that in the comments that the bots were leaving, there was a commonality there. There's commonalities amongst all of the stories that the other women are putting out. Like, it's not lost on me that now everybody's receiving death threats. And if that's happening, that's horrible. But it's just the timing in which these posts from all of the castmates who are assumed to be

in it, the way they roll out and the way that they play out. And you're just like... Right. And I think last week with the types of statements that Diana and Erica had put out, it felt like they reshared the Bravo thing, which was like obviously, you know, in support of Garcel. But then other than that, their main focus was just like getting people to stop saying that they were the ones that purchased the bots, which like I, like obviously it's not fun to be accused of something that you, you know, theoretically didn't do. But also it's like your damage control. isn't the top priority in this situation. And I think for most of us watching the show and seeing all of this play out on Instagram, it's frustrating that now it feels like these women

are like kind of pulling in a victim narrative where it's like, I'm being hurt too. Like people are accusing me of something. And it's like... What about what happened to me? Right. And it's like this, you just like can't forget that this is all stemming from a 14 year old boy getting, you know,

these awful racist, vile comments on Instagram. And it's like, okay, yeah, like, I don't care as much about people being rude to Erica. Like, I just don't because it's not the same. And I don't get how a group of mothers, like, at some point, F the show. You know what I mean? Like, as a mom, how do you not say, like, hold on, like, just real raw, unfiltered post and or, like, where are their PR managers? Like, specifically Lisa Rina and Diana Jenk. like, who's running the show over there because baby girl, what?

Yeah, being anybody on Lisa Rina's team sounds like it would be harrowing. I just don't, I can't imagine. But I'm curious, I mean, they're filming their reunion this week. That's the plan. And I just, I'm trying to imagine what the energy in that room is going to be like. And it just seems like it's hard to imagine it going well. It's going to be so. heavy and so dark. And I was talking about this with Bravo and Blaze on Instagram. Like,

it's not entertaining. This is not entertainment to try and have to force people to get to the bottom of attacking a child. Like, we've come a long way from chartering jets to go to Adrian's basketball games. Right. And I think like the hard thing about reunions, specifically is that for a reunion to work well, there has to be a balance of the drama and unpacking the drama and arguing and that stuff that we love, but also there need to be the moments of lightness and laughing at all the silly things that happened this season and putting our differences aside. I mean, like, oh my gosh, wasn't this dumb. And to have something... The full scope of sisterhood. Right. And to have something like this that's such a darkness coming in right before the

reunion, it's just tough because it makes it hard to envision. Like, Garcel's going to sit there on the couch and, like, laugh with Lisa about the other moments that they had. Like, it's just kind of hard to, to picture that going how we would like it to go in a perfect world. And it's just like, I don't want this reunion to just be like three to four episodes of darkness. Of darkness and fluff, because I imagine that there's so much that they're not going to talk

about. be it because like and I think that's the thing sometimes Bravo fans miss this is still a production this is still a show right so there are things that happen off of social media that just can't make it to social media yet I can't get on here and say we're launching a full out investigation and the da da da da da that like you know like you've got to play chess right so there's that aspect of it and then I'm sure that there's stuff that these ladies and their teams are like yeah we're not yeah that happened but no we're not talking about it. I just feel like this whole episode or this whole reunion is going to be one big redaction.

And I don't want to watch that either. Right. And like if we if we stick to what was on the show this season, which would make it easier, you know, would cut out some of the liabilities or touchy subjects. It's like, okay, then so do we have another 45 minutes of Diana accusing people of bullying her for having a miscarriage? Because like, we've already been there. We've already been there. Are we going to bring Amex credit card receipts? Like if we're not showing it at this point, keep it.

Right. And so I think there's like a, I can't decide what I'm hoping for because it's like if we spend too much time waiting into the social media mess of it all, that's kind of like a bottomless pit. But then also it's like if we avoid that and we're just left to rehash what happened on the season. And I mean, I can't think about the Elton John charity thing anymore. So it's, I'm hoping that they have some kind of strategy to pull it together.

But at the same time, I'm like, I don't know. It doesn't feel like they do. I would really like to see Kyle Anderie, I would like to see them apologize to Garcel for sitting there and chuckling over Erica's behavior. I would like to see Kyle apologize to Sutton for how she acted out there with their conversation. And I know she said those things have happened. But as a viewer of the show, somebody who also watched you do that, I would like to watch you own up and apologize. So I would really, really like to see those two things. But then to your point, we've gotten so much in previews.

And as much stuff is going on, it's not really a full, full season. Like these episodes are still pretty dry. So we've talked about everything. We've covered everything. We've seen y'all talk behind the backs and then in front of people and then yell at events. And it's like, is she going to bring the book? Is she going to bring Room 23? I'd be, I'd watch that as well.

Yeah. I mean, I'd be down. I feel like that's like Diana has gotten, she's kind of gotten off easy this season. Because there's this like thing hanging over that we've mentioned once or twice. But it's like we need, we need Teresa to bring the book. put it on the table and be like, let's talk about it. No, let's talk about it. Like, didn't she, which she gave Garcel a copy, right? For her birthday? Yeah, Garcel needs to bring it. Garcel, bring the book to the reunion. Bring the book to the reunion. Keep it in your back pocket.

If things get, if things go left, pull out the book and we can, we can talk about it. I want, I wanted to have him dog ear. In the Dubai reunion trailer, we get a Jeffrey Epstein mention. I feel like we could have something similar happening on, on Beverly. Hill's, but, you know, she hired, if, if, if Diana hired one PR person, it was to make sure that that didn't come up on the show. Right. Right. She's like, and then they clocked out. Right. She's, she's like, I already spent my PR allotment on, on the actual shit that I did in the past. And then these bots were not part of the plan. The bots were not part of the plan. Yeah. And then the P, she called the PR agent afterwards. And he was like, yeah, I'm not with a 10 foot

Paul. She's like, yeah, I actually see that the fans haven't been loving you this season, so I'm going to respectfully decline this offer. I'm a disrespectfully decline, actually. Have the day you deserve. Anyway, we will see how this reunion goes. But before we pivot to Atlanta, I do just want to shout out Lindsay and Carl for getting engaged over the weekend. I don't have, I don't have that much to say. I feel like, yeah, okay. It was the season finale. Something had to happen. and they got engaged. But, you know, the ring is nice.

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We got our reunion looks last week. How have you been liking this season of Atlanta as a whole? I don't. I don't. Me and my friend were just talking about this last night as we were watching the episode. I think if I wasn't doing the recaps and like enjoying the conversation with people, in my comment section, I might have saved this season to binge like while I was cleaning the house one day or something.

It's not. There are moments there. And, you know, we talk about them because it's the show. But like as a whole, I think they're going to have to do something. I don't know if this is going to get for next season. Interesting. I feel like most people that I have talked to are like a little more positive about it. Like maybe still somewhere in the middle, but are.

are kind of finding things to enjoy and, you know, maybe the weaker moments are being helped along by some of the stronger moments. But what are your thoughts on a lot of people have not been loving Marlowe as a housewife the last few weeks especially? How have you, how do you feel Marlowe has done this season? I am so disappointed. I was like an advocate for Marlowe for a peach. Like, you know what I mean? Like I was at all of the protest rallies. Like, why doesn't she have one? And so I was really, really excited when they announced that she was getting one. And quite like Beverly Hills, this is dark. This isn't, it's not entertainment.

Just her storyline, her fights with Kenya, it's just really dark and it's just not becoming. And I'm really disappointed. And again, if that is what we're giving, if this is the caliber of entertainment, they can take the beach back. Yeah, I'll be curious to see what happens because I think, you know, I don't necessarily think they're going to make a lot of casting changes for next season just because I think this group, you know, it's kind of an easy group to just say like, okay, yeah, for the most part, this works. We might add somebody. But the thing with Marlowe and Kenya is interesting because I obviously, they argue with each other, which could be interesting. But it just sort of feels like they're past the point of no return. in a way that makes it like, why are we still putting in the effort? And this week, watching Drew and, you know, sort of Shiree plan this double birthday surprise party for them, it's like, why are we all still playing into this idea that if we put them

in the right situation with enough balloons and, you know, beg them to get along that they might have some kind of breakthrough? Like, it just feels like a waste of time, both for everyone in the group and for us as viewers. It's like, have a party for something else. Celebrate something different. Right. Nobody, including the two of them, want to be at a joint Kenya Marlow birthday party. So it's sort of like, what is the point?

And it's also like you're playing with me because if any, me and anybody in this group are supposed to be friends, then you should be like, no, my friend's not going to like that. don't, no thing. No, like you said, celebrate something else. Why would you throw a party for me, in my honor, with somebody that you know I don't like, like, keep that. Right. And I think with Drew, I actually have been, you know, sort of enjoying Drew this season just because I think her kind of,

her, like, delusional energy is really, it really, like, appeals to me. I think it makes for great TV. But it's, like, Drew. Again, like what you just said, I think is a good point that it's like, If the idea of the show is that these women are actually friends with each other, then I don't feel like there are people in my life that I really dislike for whatever reason. And like if a mutual friend threw a party for us together, I'd be like, no, I barely even want to be at the party with her, let alone like have a cake that we're, you know, like.

Stand on the stage and sing happy birthday. Right. So it does kind of feel like with Drew, I feel like Drew is kind of a very very. easy, like, production puppet for the most part. Like, she will kind of do whatever they want her to do. And in this situation, it's like, it just doesn't make, it doesn't make sense. Like, you could, Drew could have her, Drew could have her get well, Drew sparkly boot party. And Kenya and Marlowe could both attend.

And we could have had the exact same, you know, forced intervention. But it would have felt at least like the, like, the event was real. Was real. Like it would seem like something that mimicked what would happen in your real friend group. And it's, I just, I am enjoying Drew. That doggy bone moment was not for me. I think I like her. I like her.

I think she's finally coming out of that new housewife shell, figuring out what she is and what she isn't going to share, how she wants to kind of self-produce and be portrayed no matter how things are edited. I look forward to her Ashley Darby season wherein she leaves Ralph and we get to see her without him Five years from now we'll be like Woo!

I've been waiting, girl! Yeah, I agree the dog bone moment fell flat and to me it kind of felt like last season she had that moment where she brought the headshot for Latoya at the and I feel like that kind of worked a little bit better or at least like somebody told her it did. And then so for this season she was like,

okay, I got to get another prop. I got to have another moment where I'm like throwing, like I got to. She's just not a reader and that's okay. Reading isn't everybody's strong suit, you know? Right. I think Drew,

it's like where she fits in the group is more like, she's kind of like a good time girl who's like a little bit delusional. And I think she is a pretty good friend at least or at least tries to be. and I think it's okay if that's kind of all you're bringing. But yeah, like when she actually gets into like back and forth arguments with people, she's not really the one that's going to like get across the finish line there with the reeds. She's not. And I think the thing that we always have to remember with Drew is,

Drew is used to communicating with Ralph and fighting for space and fighting for her voice in that conversation. she has to barrel through and over talk to even make it appear like Ralph is hearing her. You know what I mean? So it's that's what she's used to. That's her communication style. She's only on her second season, you know? So I think that the girls have to, well, they should remember that when they're communicating with her. Yeah.

The book photo cover shoot that they did this week for Ralph's The Step in Parenting book, It was just like this conversation again about Josiah and how Ralph's not going to adopt him. It's frustrating because I don't really have an opinion on the actual parenting situation. Like I don't know all the details, whatever. But hearing Drew talk about it and she's like, well, I've learned that I need to respect Ralph and his decisions. So like, I'm not super happy with this choice, but like I just need to respect him. And it's like, does he respect you? Like at all?

Are you being respected? If there were any kind of comparable situation and Drew and was doing her own thing that Ralph didn't agree with, it would be, I would say it would be a big fight, but it probably wouldn't even happen because Drew would just do what Ralph wants her to do. And it's it's tough for me to watch Drew kind of like hold Ralph to this standard that I don't think she would have for herself even a little bit. listen, when she gave Sonia that advice, when Sonia as a woman, as a mother was saying, I'm tired. These are all of the reasons that I don't feel like I would make a good mom of two. What is your advice? And for her to say, you just got to do it, told me everything that I need to know about how that situation works.

And I mean, she seems to like it. And so for that, I love it. But it is very painful to watch because it's like, girl, no. Right. And I think the thing for me, it's like if she's, if she genuinely is like happy and feels like that's the kind of situation that is working for her, then it's like to each their own. But I think the way she portrays it to the world is very different.

Like she doesn't really understand how the dynamic looks to everyone else. So she's like, no, no, no, we're equals. He respects me, whatever. but then all the behavior we see is like not giving that. The opposite or somebody else speaking up for Drew and Drew saying, I've been trying to tell him that. So it's like, why have you been trying to tell him that but tell us something different? I don't like that.

And you can tell whenever her mom, Pastor Jeanette is around, you can tell Ralph is just kind of like, let's get this over with. Like what are you going to say to me? Like he doesn't, it doesn't seem like, He really wants to listen to her either. And it's like, the women in this family. But that's because I feel like, I feel like Pastor Jeanette sees through his BS and calls him on it way more than Drew does. Even if she goes along with it, even if she's not after the fact in Drew's ear like, that wasn't a good idea.

She calls him on it. Whereas Drew will be like, it happened. You know, he does his thing. Like, no, why you was in Tampa? We're never, we're simply never. ever going to get a solid explanation of that. It's going to be like 10 seasons from now. And Drew, if she clings to her peach for that long, it's going to be like, I don't know.

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Presentation. is going to be. And this modeling casting that she has with Kenya and with Ruan, this woman, it is, like, it makes me laugh, but also I am, like, so distraught over the state of Shere's whole thing. No, honestly, because, like, ma'am. And I get that starting a business is hard and all of that. I respect all of those things. but it's just like, you, you, you could, you couldn't make a t-shirt.

That's crazy. That's right. And I think, I think the thing, even with the other women in the group, it's like, everybody gets that there are, you know, hurdles and obstacles to starting a business and whatever. And I think that Shire also has, like, a vision for this, that she wants it to be a certain, you know, she wants it to be a certain level and she wants this many pieces and she wants men and women. and she wants the event to be over the top and all of this stuff. But it's like there's some disconnect where it's like if you don't actually have the ability to pull that off,

it would be better to just go for something easier. Like it's going to make you look better at the end of the day to do like, you know, a streamlined collection and have like an event with fewer people at it than to throw this like gigantic celebration of fashions. and not have the models and not have the garments. Fashions that don't exist. It's stuck in Alaska. First of all, production has been very, very petty this season across all franchises, but the map was upper echelon.

Like, that was top tier. Sharray's delusion opposite of Drew is the delusion that I don't like. Ma'am, A, you did say you spent a million dollars, and then why you ain't got no show? Like I just, I'm so confused as to how there is nothing, very much nothing. And good luck, good luck to that woman. Right. It's, well, it's the kind of thing where like, I think I enjoy her form of delusion too to a point, though,

because it's like, I like watching these women kind of like go through the, go through life as if they're all that. like I think it's kind like that's kind of a funny thing about housewives is like they think they're like the cream of Atlanta and they're at every event and like all of this stuff. But then with Choray, it's like that the charm of it kind of wore off before she even came back for this season. Like it already felt like you've had your chances and you've had time and you've had the opportunities. And so now that it's like week after week we're getting this narrative of it just being a complete shambles. It's like do it. like are do you take this seriously like what's the goal like what is actually happening because if if the number one thing was like I want this clothing line to exist you could make that happen like it's it just feels like there's so much noise surrounding it and then at the party when she brings out these shadow box invitations with the Barbie clothes inside it's like what are we doing like what are you doing here like what what is happening? Who made these invitations?

What are these clothes that are inside? How much money did you spend on those? Are you giving those to all 100 people you invited or just the girls on camera? Like, it just is so much like bullshit surrounding this thing that when it comes down to it is like pretty simple. Like you either have a clothing collection that is available for sale or you don't. Or you don't. And then it's like, I said this on one of my recaps though. if she just said I've pivoted to using my actual person as a billboard and I am not going to wear clothes,

brands, labels, et cetera, that I'm not paid for. And so in the times that I'm not being paid to wear something, I will wear my clothing line that I've created for myself. I'll use my yoga mat, my water bottle, my blah, blah, blah, blah. And I like that. Then from there, you can do pre-orders. whatever the case may be, if capital is the issue, you can do pre-orders because people will have seen the product, they'll see it out in action. But it's like, at this point, I would take a Shopify

store from her. Like, give me something. Drop ship it. Right. Like, I mean, I know personally, like, half a dozen people with Brooks Mark's track suits. So you better believe that the second Shiree puts that ship for sale, people are going to buy it. Like, it might not be the next, you know, whatever successful clothing line, but it's like, she's going to make a quick buck at the very least. At the very least. But it's just, I don't get it. It really just doesn't make sense to me.

10 years. Like, it's just something in the milk ain't clean. This is just a perpetual storyline. And I think Kenya, when she was at the model casting with Ruan, she kind of, it almost feels like Kenya is a little bit sick of it, too. that she's like, if you're going to invite me to this thing and make me like play along, I'm going to tell you what I really think. And I'm going to tell you that all of these women are not good models. Like, this is not the way that this kind of thing is run.

And I don't know who this lady is that you hired, but she doesn't know what she's doing. And, you know, I'm not just going to sit here and be like, oh my God, charie, the models. Yeah, I'm not gassing you up for something that doesn't require or deserve gas. But it just feels like one big barter situation. Like, if you come into my modeling, I'll let you be on the show. And that does not work like that in real life. And I think that's why we haven't gotten anything. I feel like she's trying to leverage her peach status for something free.

And it's like, you got to pay for it, baby. Right. And I think, I think, you know, Charray's been on and off the show a couple times. And I think there's, it makes sense why we only really hear about she by Shireh when she's on the show using it for a storyline because I don't think she has either the resources or necessarily even the desire to go just like do a clothing line on her own. Like it's meant to be her her thing on the show and like we're gearing up toward the end of the season and this show is probably going to be like the last couple episodes. And it's going to be a moment. and I just, like, for her sake, I would like for it to be like a triumphant moment. And it's like, can we please just like get it together a little bit?

I wanted to be triumphant for her so bad. I just, at the end of this, if there is not a QR code on the TV screen, for us to buy something with the she by Sherey logo on there, I never want to hear her mention it again. Yes. I think that's the thing. It feels like this season, like I have been entertained by the plotline. And I mean, the map that they're doing and the invitations, like, all of it that is, like, entertaining. But it's like, times up on Shiba, Sherey this season.

Like, this is, it's either happening now. It's either happening now. And then we can talk, we can, like, you know, follow its progress. Or it's just now, it's the toaster oven and it's not going to happen and you get a new gig. Yeah, and then you go to Century 21. Like, girl, you have the blueprint. If Sonia was still out here in 2021 talking about the toaster oven, we would be saying the same thing. You know, like, it's funny for a couple seasons.

And then it's a little sad. And then you move on. And then you move. First of all, if Sonia was still talking about that toaster oven, I would call Chase Bank myself. Excuse me. Could you give your ex-family something? Can you help her? Negotiate some rates or something for her because, man.

Oh, my God. Okay, the last thing I want to talk about is the scene at the end of the episode where we see Mr. Apollo Nida on the show for the first time in a good while. And I'm curious how you feel about Apollo making a little reappearance. When, you remember when Fadra was on Wendy Williams before the season wrap and she said that she was yachting in this. the seas and Atlanta was the Titanic. I said, mm-mm, that's a little bitter, girl, why'd you do that? Like, you shouldn't talk bad about them. Your moment was just over.

And then that man walked up on that screen. And I knew he was coming. But when he walked up on that screen, I said, I'll never let go, Jack. Because what are we doing? I was surprised that they kind of let him on the show and like to shit talk, Fadra. Like, it was a little, not even because I love Fadre and thinks she's perfect and doesn't deserve it, maybe, but I was just surprised that they, like, even kept that in the edit because it just feels kind of messy. It's like, I don't need to, like, if you want to help out Choray and talk about Tyrone and do her fashion show, I, whatever. It's a stunt. I kind of, you know, it's fun for what it is. But like, I don't need to hear about your co-parenting situation with Fadra. Like, that's not our business if she's not on the show. I would have. expected it if he had came on there and didn't mention her name at all. I would have been like, I stand this man.

Like, because why? Like, it's over. Like, it just gives bitter and desperate when you sit there and you're talking about the co-parenting and you're talking about things while your perspective is valid because you went through it and you should be able to share it. It's just like, not here. Right. And he's saying, like, when, you know, when he was going through the sentencing and all of that

stuff and she wasn't really there for him. And it's like, that was six or six, seven years ago at this point. Like, it's not even like that's a recent experience that you're coming back to the show. And it's happened since then. It's like, we watched that on like season eight. Like, I don't. Yeah, like, okay. That you went to prison and came back and, you know, in that time.

That re-engaged and all of that. Like, what? Tell me about her. So I'm like, yeah, like, it's fun to see Apollo. The edit that they gave when he's like walking. out of the car was just giving me like, I don't know, like R&B music video drama. Yes, it gave wrong show. Like, go to love and hip-hop.

But, yeah, I'm like, we can, I don't know. But I guess he'll be on the next episode, too, because he's now modeling and Shere's show for free, presumably. She was like, who can I call up for a TV time? Just for some camera time. And Apollo, top of the list. shade him. I feel like probably like maybe she could get like, you know, Peter Thomas or like, you know,

some of the other dudes would say yes too. Peter would say yes, but that wouldn't be best for him and all. If Peter said yes and popped up on one of these shows, I think his employees, it would be over. Because the receipts that they drop now on the internet about his establishment, I think if he came back on a show, they'd be like, oh, you're playing with us. So let's. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to see him back.

I just think he would say yes if Shiree asked, and it seems like she needs some free models. Could you imagine Peter walking down the runway in gray sweatpants with a VPL? I don't want to think about the VPL. It really, the Shiree fixating on the VPL is like so cringe to me. I'm like, you're a 50-something-year-old woman who's like, I better make sure I see the dick in the sweatpants. Come on, please. Sharray. Girl, if I can't see it, and I'm not talking about it.

Like, that's the number one thing that's like on her to-do list for this clothing line. It's like, I don't care if any of the garments arrive or if they look like shit. But if the men are wearing sweatpants, there better be a VPL. It's like, better be a VPL. Please sort out your priorities because none of this is even happening right now. I need to know, like, who are the 100 people's certain? survey that then said, a lot of people have been asking for this. So I think we should put a VPL in the sweatpants. Like, who did you question? The hundred people surveyed. Oh, my God. It's just like

the old ladies who watch Atlanta and are like, ooh, ooh, got me glistening, child. Oh, my God. Well, Elle, this has been so fun having you here. Thank you so much for stopping by. Thank you so much for having me. I enjoyed this. Of course. Before we go, tell everyone where they can find you and follow you. I am Housewives and Chit Chat on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram. And then I have a show coming to Roku TV by way of Nosey Bystanders TV. So you can follow Nosey Bystanders TV on TikTok to get all of your updates for the launch of the show.

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