Mention It All - How To Survive Bluestone Manor Ft. Tamra Judge (RHOBH, RHUGT)

Episode Date: July 7, 2022

Dylan is joined by Real Housewives legend Tamra Judge, who’s getting in the mix on this season of RHUGT. Tamra explains her issues with Dorinda, her love for Vicki, and how to navigate the Brandi Glanville experience. She also discusses how she’s feeling about RHOC these days, and whether she knew about Teddi Mellencamp’s reputation before starting a podcast with her. Earlier in the episode, Dylan recaps this week’s episodes of RHOBH and RHUGT, and needs a stiff drink. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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With Dylan Hafer. We'll go check me, both. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I'm Dylan Hafer, and today we have a very exciting, a little different vibe of an episode. I'm going to be talking to you by myself for a little bit. And then coming up later in the episode, we have a very exciting interview with the one and only. Tamara Judge, Real Housewives' Ultimate Girls' Trip, Season 2 Survivor, Tamara, told us all about her experience at Bluestone Manor.

We talked about how she is feeling about Real Housewives of Orange County these days. We talked about what it's like to be giving Teddy Mellon Camp a much-needed public relations makeover. So yeah, stick around for that interview with Tamara. But before that, obviously, we've got to talk about Beverly Hills. we've got to talk about today's new episode of Ultimate Girls Trip. There's just a lot going on. As I'm sure you're aware, Beverly Hills has been quite the whirlwind these last couple weeks, both on and off the show.

With my guest yesterday, Caroline Blair, we talked all about the Kyle and Garcel and Doreen, Erica, you know, all of the nonsense. But today we actually have an episode to talk about, which is funny how, this season of Beverly Hills, it's almost like refreshing when I can just sit down and talk about what actually happened on the show versus like, oh, so this person tweeted something and then there was another cryptic thing. But yeah, it's fun to actually talk about Real Housewives on a on a Real Housewives podcast, of course. This episode, we pick up where we left off at Garcell's birthday party. I feel like most of the rest of this party had already been.

released before the episode in clip form. But of course, this is where we get, first of all, the weird, weird, weird interaction with Sutton, Diana, and Kyle, where Kyle is, like, manhandling Sutton as she questions whether or not Sutton is lying about having two miscarriages, just all around bizarre vibes. I don't, you know, Kyle's, like, in her, like, sort of apology-ish post, she's like, I had a few drinks. drinks in me and it's like, I, it's a lot, but Sutton calls Diana a motherfucker, which it's a way, that's a funny, like, insult to me because, like, I don't know if it's like a generational divide or if I, if I don't like care. But to me, like, motherfucker is what you say.

When you, like, stub your tongue, you're like, motherfucker or like, you know, I don't know, it's not like an insult. And so it's like, when Sutton's like, you're just, you're a a motherfucker. And then later in the episode when Diana's talking to her in it, and she's like, you know where I come from, that you take it. And it's like you sleep with your mother. And that's very offensive. Why are we here?

What are we doing? I don't know. Diana's behavior with Sutton is very off-putting to me because it feels like Diana, for some reason, feels like she has kind of the upper hand in this dynamic. and that Sutton is like this weird, sad little person who is like worse than narcissistic and, you know, like all this, she's like diagnosing her and, you know, just talking about she's like, there's something wrong with her and all this stuff. And like, watching the show, I'm like, I don't, I still like Sutton more than I like Diana. And I feel like most people are having the same experience this season. And it's just, like it makes it kind of cringe to watch Diana, you know, sort of floating through this group acting like Sutton is like the problem child and she's rising above it when it's like, no, you're actually like digging yourself into a hole that I think is going to be pretty

difficult to come back from. But, you know, of course, then we also have the scene of Erica hitting on Oliver and then yelling at Jacks. I feel like we've already kind of unpacked that. But of course, there is aftermath of that. We see Garcel telling Robert, her hairstylist, that she wants an apology from Erica to Jacks, which I think is perfectly warranted. The whole through line of Erica's behavior, Erica's drinking, Erica's free, loose mindset, you know, it's starting to sort of feel like it's going somewhere where, like, in Mexico, it was like, oh, it's like fun, she's drunk, whatever.

then at the party it was like that was bad and then now we're kind of seeing Garcel following up on it a little more and going into next week's episode it seems like she's going to be kind of like carrying that bone a little further which you know it's it's hard to come at somebody with like alcoholism accusations I think that always is kind of a slippery slope we've seen that sort of with Dorinda and, you know, on numerous occasions. But, like, I definitely think there is something going on there with Eric, and she's talked about being on the meds and drinking and the stuff she said to Garcell's sons. It's like, yeah, like, that's a conversation that we can have.

Then, uh, Doreit and Crystal go to a self-defense class, uh, you know, a classic housewives activity. I always, I always love at these kinds of things where it's like, Crystal is there early. and she's talking to the instructor. And then Doreet shows up and Doreet greets the instructor. And then the like housewives thing of them being like,

oh, should we stretch? Yeah, let's stretch. And the instructor's like, okay, I'll leave you ladies alone for a few minutes so you can like, quote unquote, stretch. But really, I know what you're doing is like catching up with each other

since the last time you filmed together. It's just like one of those housewives tropes that it's like when you go to an actual workout class or like self-defense class, the instructor doesn't just like give you 10 minutes alone to stretch at the beginning of class. But I mean, Doree is still really just trying to work through all of the aftermath of the break-in. It is tough to see her struggling with this throughout the season. I feel like it's the kind of thing where I'm glad that it doesn't feel like they're making it into a really like primary storyline. Because of course, I care about it.

about it. Like, I want her to be okay. I really feel for her. This stuff with the kids and the kids not knowing what happened is also a tricky thing. But at the same time, it's a very passive storyline. It's like this one event happened a month ago. And we, there's nothing anybody can do about it. Obviously, we can be there for Doree and we can take her to self-defense class and we can make sure she knows she's loved and supported and all of this stuff. But it's not like the drama of the storyline isn't continuing. It's just like a process of healing. So I'm glad that we're getting kind of little check-ins with her, but like it's not, it's not, I feel like in a past season of Beverly Hills, it might have been like the only thing going on. And I'm

thankful that it, that is not the case. Then we see Sutton and Kyle go to dinner together and they're eating pasta. Love to see it. Kyle knows that she owes Sutton an apology for the way she handled literally, like literally with her hands, the situation at Garcell's party. So there's this weird thing that happens of Kyle knows she needs to apologize. She sort of starts to. And then Sutton is like saying more stuff. And, you know, Kyle says, like, I don't think that you weren't telling the truth. And someone's like, telling the truth.

It's tough because it was such a weird thing for Kyle to doubt in the first place that it's like miscarriages are so common. So many women go through them. And then also so many women don't really talk about them that openly that it's like I don't know why Kyle ever thought it was weird that she wasn't aware of Sutton's miscarriages. It's like, yeah, because you met her two years ago and she's like 50 now. So that wasn't the first thing you talked about. But Kyle is saying that Sutton is a difficult person to apologize because she doesn't shut up. And I mean, this is the kind of thing that I like about Sutton. That it's like she just is like that little awkwardness, that little quirkiness.

And it's like, yeah, you just, it's like, no, like Sutton, you're literally at this dinner for Kyle to apologize to you. Just like sit down and listen to the apology. And then you can like decide afterward whether or not, you know, how you feel about her moving forward. But I don't know. I feel like Sutton is still doing this thing where she has to act a little bit like she doesn't have a problem with Diana and that it's like only Diana coming for her. And she's like, well, you know, like I tried to hug her. Like I thought it was connecting with her.

Like whatever. And it's like, I think sometimes you just have to let it go. You have to let the mouse go. As Doreet would say, as Sutton would say. Who said that? Let the mouse go. I don't know. But yeah, it's like,

I think Sutton, it will behoove Sutton, to just kind of like stop giving a fuck about Diana. And I think we are inching closer to that point because later in the episode, of course, she has her sort of housewarming party post most of the renovations. There's a lot going on, but Diana is a no show. And, or as in my past retail job, they would call it. She is a no call, no show. She does not even give Sutton a heads up, which is just objective. rude. And I think everybody can agree on that. Even Erica, like, Erica and Sutton are now in this weird,

like, no man's land of like, I still hate the bitch, but I'm going to laugh with her and I'm going to come to her party and eat her food. Whatever. I support that, I guess. But they're in this, like, weird in between. But even Erica's like, I texted you that I was running late. Of course I would let you know if I wasn't going to come. And it's like, yeah, like, Erica, as much as she doesn't have manners, sometimes, she still has some manners. Whereas Diana, Miss, we're too classy for this, Miss, you know, clumsy Vitovords, she's not even sending a courtesy text? That's bad form. I mean, I feel like you got to, as Lisa Vanderpump taught us, you got to be a little bit more, you know, Bobby Fisher with the chess pieces. You can't just be like, you can't give her that, like, you can't.

can't give Sutton that reason to dislike you. You have to be the bigger person. I don't know. Diana, I just, I think she's losing the threat a little bit. But Rina this week sort of picks up for team Diana. They have a little meeting at Diana's house. And, you know, of course, Diana's telling her what happened at Garcell's birthday party while, well, Rina was in New York at the Hot Zone, Anthrax premiere with Harry Hamlin. And she's like, well, she's like, well, you know, Sutton was just, she was being so narcissistic. And I was talking about what happened with my baby. And it feels like Rina has fully just crossed over to the dark side where she's like, that's Sutton. That's, oh, she, she hit you with that. Oh, yep. I know just what you're

talking about. And it's like disappointing, but also not surprising to see Rina once again just like fully abandoning any past loyalty to this woman that came on the show allegedly as her friend a couple years ago and just kind of like like playing right into Diana's narrative which I just, it's like, who gives a fuck about Diana's narrative? But then at the, at Sutton's party, when Sutton is like,

I don't do passive aggressive, I don't like passive aggressive. And Rina's like, oh, you. you don't, you don't. Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, pot kettle, pot calling kettle. It's like, I just, Rina is so annoying. Like, it's just, it's hard because it's like watching the show. I feel like most of you probably are on the same page with this, but it's like, nobody, nobody watching this is like, oh yeah, what Sutton did to Diana was so fucked up. And so the fact that Rina in this situation, having such a, like a past with Sutton is seeing it a completely different way. It's like, she's doing it again. She's doing it. But, you know, I did understand why she didn't

want to walk in the muddy grass with those, like, satin Versace shoes, because I kind of want those shoes. I think my feet would probably be too wide. I don't think they would look good, but those shoes are, those shoes are good. And yeah, I mean, That's the thing with Sutton. It's like you can't invite these ladies over to walk through the grass in the mud. Eat lunch inside. You have a lovely home. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at the Home Depot.

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Let's start talking about Ultimate Girls' Trip. This episode, we are still reeling from episode four, which was the episode where Jill and Derinda got into it at the end. And that was such a weird situation. It was very bourbon-fueled on the part of Derinda. And it was all, it was like started with this, you know, Jill asking Eva, if she could, like, sit on the bed while she's recording her radio show. And Derinda, for whatever reason, is just, like, latching onto that. She's like, no, you can't. No, you can't. You, you know, jail. And Jill starts crying. And, you know, it felt like very messy. But also, the way that Derinda's handling the aftermath of it really is just rubbing me the wrong way. Because the next morning, Jill, you know, does the, the growth. own-up housewife thing to do of saying like, hey, Derinda later when it's just the two of us,

I would like to, like, I feel like we should talk about last night. And Derinda, of course, it's like, let's talk about it now. I don't need to wait. Let's talk about it now. And then the second they sit down and start talking about it, Derinda's like, well, Jill wanted to talk to me. Jill had a problem. And it's like, Jill wanted to talk to you later. I just feel like Derinda, in her conflicts so far this season is being, she's sort of missing the point maybe on purpose. Because with this Jill thing, I think with the Tamara and Vicky yelling about the food, that was just like very poorly handled. But with this Jill thing, Derinda is solely making it about asking Eva if she could sit on the bed.

And she's like, well, Jill, I thought that was a pretty thirsty thing to do. And it's like, maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I don't really feel that that specifically was thirsty, but whatever. That's pretty much beside the point. But Dorinda is drawing a straight line from Eva wouldn't let you sit on the bed to then you, like, are bursting out crying and are like a total mess. And I just think there was more to that situation. And I think it's whether or not you like Jill or you think Jill is, you know, right. or Thursday, you know, whatever.

I think it's a little unfair to Jill to act like this was such a cut and dry thing of, like, I told you to stop bothering Eva, and then you started crying and lashed out at me. It's like, there was a lot more emotions, and there's this, like, baggage and history there. And then Dorinda, like, burst into the confessional room and is talking about, you know, funerals and husbands dying. Like, it just frustrates me. And I think it, you know, when Derinda got put on pause, she says, sort of the, the idea there was like, oh, okay. So she's having kind of a rough season, a rough time, whatever.

This will be great because she'll have a year to go off to kind of like work on herself to like figure her shit out. And then she can go back to the show and be like the fun, like messy Dorinda we all know and love. And these last couple episodes, it's just not seeming like that work really happened since she's been on pause, which is not surprising, but just a little disappointing. And I was hoping that there would maybe be a little bit more of an empathy there when she gets into arguments with people. But, you know, wishful thinking, perhaps. We go to dinner at the Red Lion Inn after a pact. These days are just so fucking packed. They already did the hot air balloon.

They ate pancakes. They went to lunch. Too much. It's too much. But we're at dinner at the Red Lion Inn where Derinda worked when she was younger. And I love that we see like multiple shots of her getting like the fun facts on the tour wrong. She like says the wrong year it was built. She's like, do they still have the homemade blue cheese dressing?

And there's like, there's no blue cheese dressing. She's like going to lose it. But the big, uh, the big to do with this dinner is Taylor getting, uh, getting back into the mix. She brings up season two of Beverly Hills. maybe season three. I don't know. Brandy outing Adrian Maloof using a surrogate to have her sons,

which at the time, Adrian had not, I believe not told her sons that this was the case. So it, you know, was this big secret, sort of. And then this was originally edited

out of the show. And it was the reason why Adrian didn't attend that reunion and therefore, you know, pretty much released herself from doing the show. But Taylor is bringing this up now. It's like approximately 10 years later. And Brandy's whole thing is like, I'm fine with Adrian now. This is none of your business. Why are you bringing this up? And while I appreciate the mess,

I kind of have to agree. Like, I really have been enjoying Taylor this ultimate girl's trip. But from Brandy's perspective, it is kind of like, wait, why are you the one? Like, if Adrian wants to bring this up, she should have come on the girl's trip. You know, she could be the one yelling at me about this. But according to Brandy, they're friends, they're good. It's fine. So this really feels like Taylor just kind of like looking for a fight. And then it devolves into this weird, you know, mess of Taylor talking about how the show was so successful on season one. And they had this like agreement not to talk about each other's shit. And that it was like, like, like Brandy was like a stick in the water of successful women. Like it was just, it got very weird. And Taylor's like, whoever, who else won a Critics Choice Award? That's right. No one. No one.

None of you bitches won a Critics Choice Award, which like, I need to fact check that. But good for her. That's true. But then Brandy, Brandy, Brandy, Brandy, Brandy, Brandy, she brings it down. It brings the mood down a little bit by saying, well, was it really a successful season if your husband killed himself? Oh my God. Oh my God. Taylor stops just sort of threatening to go Oklahoma on her ass, which I wish she would have done. Brandy leaves the table and Fadra and Jill are kind of her like her like pep talk team.

You know, they're going in the other room. They're like, you know, you're just getting like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Brandy's like, well, yeah, like I do feel bad about what I did to Adrienne. And they're like, well, would you change anything? And she's like, no. No, it's fine. Brandy never change. I don't know.

Like, I don't know what to do with Brandy. But then they get her back to the table. And Derinda, again, sort of like this Eva thing from the night before, Derinda has decided to make something that is not her problem, her problem. And she finds this husband comment by Brandy deeply offensive, which, yeah, I get. But, you know, Derinda, of course, is in dead husband mode as well. And she's like, you don't bring up the husband. You don't bring up the husband.

Imagine what if your son died? The second she said it, I knew it was over. I knew it was going to shit. We know that housewives don't do well with analogies. And the thing is, okay, analogies, maybe never a good idea. But this one blows the fucking Gia Coke analogy out of the water. Terinda! Okay, Jackie didn't say, you know, I'm not even going to say it because I feel like somebody's going to listen and like send it to somebody else.

and then somebody's going to, like, send me a letter from a lawyer. But when Derinda says that, it's just like, oh, these women are killing me. These women are killing me. So then again, Brandy, Jill, Fadra leave. They go to the bar. Brandi's like, Vodontat. Give me a vodka. And Fadra, Brandi's like, I literally could.

I literally could. I would have gone off on her. I would have gone off on her. And Fadry was like, well, you can't do that. The lady could be your mother. she's only five years older than me. Even in the middle of like being absolute nightmares, these women are making me laugh.

And I guess that's what I love about this season. Because it's like the drama is real and intense and thrilling. But then also it's like you get these like moments of comic relief. Vicky finally wants to wop it up. Vicky is one of those people where it's like I, for the most part, I like kind of detest Vicky. But like, God damn it, sometimes she's just like she's fun. I don't know.

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Ultimate Girls Trip star Tamara. Tamara, Tamara. Hi, Dylan. How are you? Good morning. Doing amazing. I'm so glad to have you here. This season of Ultimate Girls Trip is certainly the,

the talk of the town right now. And I think, I think you're kind of at the center of it this week. I think this was my, it was very heavy on the camera this, this episode. The first couple episodes, I felt like watching it back going, oh, I'm not that engaging. I'm not like, you know, I'm, because I'm so used to be in the, you know, that's my opinion, top of the world type of girl on the show. And I was really busy worrying about Vicky for the first couple episodes because she was sick and not feeling good and sad and all that stuff.

So we are alive in episode four. That's for sure. We are alive. I think one thing that's interesting about Ultimate Girls Trip is that for some of you that have been on the shows for so long, you do get to see a different side when it's not these women that you've been on the show with for all these years and maybe it's a chance for you to just kind of have a fun time. But then, you know, obviously if you're pushed in a certain way, we're still going to see

that, you know, confrontational side come out. And it did feel, it did feel like you were kind of attacked out of nowhere this week, I will say. I, you know what? I was so shocked because so many people were eating in the room. And quite honestly, I swear to you, I never saw that sign in my room. There was so much, because we were sharing a bedroom, there was so much all over the place and just crap everywhere. And I didn't even pay attention to it. So when we were eating in the room and we had cupcakes in our room. She put cupcakes in our room. So I didn't think it was a big deal. Marco, the, the butler, whatever you want to call him, he was coming to our room every morning saying, can I get you anything? And we're like, yeah, yogurt and coffee. And he would bring it to our

room. So, I mean, I thought he was, you know, he would have followed the rules if anybody would have. Yeah. I mean, even he said on the episode that he didn't realize the normal rules were kind of in place. I do feel like when Peacock is coming in with this whole big crew and all of you are staying there for the week, it's like, it's not really your house for the week in a way. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be really hard to host something like that, especially in a house that big. It says you want to protect your house.

You know, you want to make sure everybody's having fun. So I know it was pretty stressful for Duranda to do it all. Yeah. I like hearing you talk about that you were, for those first couple episodes, you really were. focused on kind of making sure Vicky was okay because going into the season, obviously, we knew that she and Steve hadn't worked out eventually, but I don't think we all knew that it was going to be so immediate before the show. And so it really does kind of, I think as somebody who doesn't always see Vicky's side of things, in this case, it is a little bit more like,

yeah, that it had to be so hard for her to really push through that week. Yeah, I mean, it really was definitely hard. I think I think she knew it was coming with the Steve situation. It was a long time coming. They had issues, you know, for the last year or so. And I knew that because, you know, I'm the first one she calls to tell me about it. I was reading for her to just kick him out because she had told me some of the things that had been going on. And, you know, he was living full time in Mexico. And then when he went to go run for governor, he moved back in with her. And I said, no, no, no, this is not a good idea. And I think she was just very hopeful that it was going to work out for the two of them.

And it didn't. And he took the opportunity to move out while she was filming Ultimate Girls trip and, you know, letting her know that he was out. So that was, that was hard. Yeah. It's just,

I mean, it's, it's tough because we've seen Vicky go through that in the past. She is kind of that hopeless, romantic person. She wants that, that perfect, you know,

love tank match. And it is, you know, it sucks. It's hard, but, you know, she's now dating another guy that I just met for the first time in New York.

And he seems like a really good guy from what I know. I'm like, I need blood sample, urine sample. I need to run some DNA. I need to do a background check. I love your friendship with Vicky. Obviously, you know, in the past and then on girls trip this week, people always bring up this idea of you to being kind of a package deal. Yeah.

And sometimes people suggest that you can't, you know, have your own opinion. about things, especially seeing her in the press with back and forth with Dorinda. How do you feel when people kind of just lump you together automatically sometimes? Well, listen, there's hardly any housewives in history that can say they've been friends. You know, she was on for 14. I was on for 12. We've known each other for 16 years now. So, I mean, it's not just a working relationship.

Like, I know her off camera. We've been together through so much together. So people just instantly, you know, lump us together as. you know, Tweedled D and twiddled dumb. And, and so, I mean, that's just, I'm used to it, but then they put us in the same bedroom together. So it was like we were, you know, sleeping together, eating together, hanging out together. So I don't know. I felt like we were kind of set up for failure at that point because we're a package deal. But we're not. Like, you know, Vicki left. I continued, it was easier for me to get to know the girls better because I didn't have,

you know, just my time was focused on Vicki. I was able to like, talk with Eva, talk with the rest of the girls and get to know them a little bit better. Was there anyone in the cast that you were particularly excited to spend time with or maybe weren't sure how you were going to click with? Well, I wasn't sure how I was going to click with anybody, to be honest. I didn't know Eva had never met her. I did not watch her on Atlanta. So, you know, I didn't know what to expect there.

Of course, you know, you Google. Like, okay, let's see, you know, beautiful, all the things above. then Fadra, you know, because Fadra and I were on around the same time and she was just, she's just iconic to me. And I loved her in Atlanta. I was super excited to meet her. I don't think that we hadn't ever met at any event prior, but I might be wrong. But we didn't have any kind of friendship. I didn't follow her on Instagram, like all that kind of stuff.

So now the dynamic has totally changed. Taylor lives in Orange County and I will run into her every so often and have had lunch with her and stuff. So I wasn't concerned about Taylor at all. Brandy, we had a background that wasn't so great. We did early on years ago go to dinner. And then after that, we had like a falling out on social media. So I tried to reach out to her and she wasn't having it that she just called me out. Like I'm like, it's a misunderstanding.

You need to talk to me. But it turned into a huge like just Instagram, Twitter fight. So I was a little afraid. a brandy. Durenda, I had talked to you many times. I think Brandy is one of those people where it's tough because you just never quite know what you're going to get from her. She can be so sweet. She can be lovely. She obviously has great friendships, but then it can, you know, one thing goes wrong or she has one too many drinks and all of a sudden she's being mean to you. Like I imagine it's tough to really know

how to approach that. Yeah. So Brandy, like most of us, like too much alcohol, might not be that great for her. I'm right there with her. I think that much like me, she has truth serum running through her veins. So, and no filter, just like me. So it's kind of like when you start drinking, you start saying things that, you know, she's not a liar. She doesn't make things up, you know. And so she just kind of has no filter. And I think she is amazing TV. Absolutely. What did you think when you saw what she said about how she felt like you and Durinda and Vicky as kind of some of the most recent Housewives departures in the cast were sort of, I don't know, re-auditioning or still stuck in that mindset. How did you feel about that? I didn't necessarily agree with what she was saying.

I thought, oh, that's not it at all. I actually went into the show in a different frame of mind because you didn't have to worry about keeping your job. You don't have that extra stress. You were just there to be you. You know, you didn't have to. I mean, if anything, it was a time to, you know, let the viewers see you in a different light and maybe a better light for some of those that maybe exited the show and they didn't look so good. This is the opportunity to show a different side to you. So it was never entering my mind like, I'm going to go on there. I'm going to try to get my job back. I think, yeah, I mean, I think with you in particular, people have always, like in the couple of years since you've left Orange

County, lots of people have constantly been bringing up the idea of you coming back. So it's not necessarily like, it's not like people forgot you existed. And then you're like, hi, remember me, put me back on the show. Like, if they're going to put you on the show, they can come up with that idea on their own. Right, right. And I think back in the day, if, you know, Durenda came at me like she did, I probably would have grabbed a cupcake, smeared it on my face, grabbed a couple, started clapping and walking through her house.

You know what I mean? That's probably, that's, that's Tamara on Orange County. This was, you know, it was a different vibe. I felt like I was in her house. I didn't want to be disrespectful. And then when she was kind of condescending to me, I felt like, oh, my God, like I let her down. Because, you know, we would talk all the time on, on the phone because we got let go around the same time. So, you know, and it's hard when you've been on a show for a really long time.

And then you get let go, you don't have anybody to talk to. Nobody understands it. And so Jurenda understood it. And Vicki understood it. So we had that connection. So when I did this, you know, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. And she's like, no, don't say you're sorry. I'm like, what do you want me to say?

I get it. No, don't say you'll get it. And I'm like, I don't know what to do. I mean, I got so frustrated. I just cried. And I watched myself and I'm like, what am I doing? That's not me. I'm not a pansy.

Like, why should have like, you know, grab the cupcake, start smashing them all over the place. It's interesting what you say about when you leave a show that you've been on for a long time. because I think there is that audience thing of if you mention the show or you bring it up or whatever, it's like, oh, she's thirsty, she's desperate. I know. You know, she'll do anything to get back. And it's like I think anybody that if you're feeling like you're, you've been left out of something that you were a part of for such a long time, it's a natural human thing to have feelings about that. Yeah.

I mean, I don't think people understand it until they're actually in it. I mean, I've been called out a bazillion times, especially with my podcast. No, she just wants to be on. No, I heart called me, offered me a salary to do a podcast. It's a job. It has nothing to do with going back to housewives. Like, no, I'm a hustler. I'm going to make money no matter every way I can. And that's just another avenue, you know, for me to make money. No, I, I've accepted my fate. I know that, you know, I'm not on the show. Did I say it didn't hurt me? Yeah, it hurt me. The first year, I was kind of in a funk. You have to understand this is 12 years in my life. I knew my routine for 12 years of my life.

You give anybody any career for 12 years of their life and all of a sudden it's taken away from them, you're like, oh, crap. It's, you know, you have to find yourself. You have to, you know, look for other avenues of income. There's a lot that goes into it. It's not the easiest thing in the world. Right. It would almost be weird if there wasn't that hole there.

Like, it would be weird if you just moved on like nothing had happened. If I was on for like one year or two year, whatever, even three years. And then all of a sudden, I, it, yeah, I mean, still, it's going to sting. It's going to sting. But it's, you didn't have that much time invested in it. I had 12 years. My kids were tiny when I started. Now I, they're all grown.

I only have one at home. Right. And I mean, obviously your whole relationship with Eddie, we had seen from even before that started on the show. I'm curious, has Eddie been watching Ultimate Girls trip or is he like, I'm good on that? Has not seen. Oh, well, we haven't turned it on it. home. I always get the screeners, so I will look at, I'll watch it on my phone. But not that I know.

He has not seen it. He doesn't watch TV, though. I told him the other day, because he asked, he saw something on social media, a clip or something. I'm like, babe, you just have to watch. He's like, I'll get around to it. I feel like he's always probably like, you know, like going for a run or like, yeah, I don't know, doing some pushups. Yeah, exactly. He's like, he's like, he's like a such a no drama guy and like to watch something like that. Like if I have the Kardashians on in the house, he's like, turn that shit off. Like he does not want to be around it.

Well, I'm sure after having a front row seat for so many years to some of, to some of the drama, he's like, I need to, it's not good for my, for my health at this point. Exactly. He's fine. He's like, you do you, you be you. You watch what you want to watch.

He's like, I don't want to watch it. But he, I think he's secretly watching ultimate girl's strip. He just hasn't said anything yet. Okay. Yeah, he'll, you know, he'll be like, you can eat in the room if you want. Yeah, right? Right. Exactly. Going back to your podcast, obviously, it's been so successful since you started. And I think a lot of people, it's no secret. A lot of people weren't big Teddy fans when she was on Beverly Hills. And I think for a lot of people, I had no idea. No idea. I think for a lot of people, your podcast has been kind of a game changer in how they see Teddy. And I'm wondering, what you think it is about your pairing that works so well. And if you've kind of talked about that

with her, because I have to imagine things that are sort of different for her now. You know what? I always say, like, you know, not everybody's great for reality TV. It takes a certain personality to just be like, go in there. I don't, like, I try to think back, and I even told her recently, I said, I need to go back and watch earlier seasons when you were on because I don't know what you were doing. That was so bad. I really don't. And oddly, I do remember, member, like her last season, she was pregnant, but yet it was one of her better seasons to me from what I can remember. And now, like, there is a lot of hate on social media and a lot of opinions about how they feel about her and a lot of DMs to me like, oh, my God, you've really

made me like Teddy. And I'm like, what the hell is going on? I'm like, I mean, I met Teddy about five times prior to signing on to do this podcast. Now, this wasn't something I was seeking out to do, like, oh my God, I'm going to do a podcast, who could be my co-host. Teddy had an existing podcast. She called me and said, hey, I have had this podcast for years. I put it on hold because I'm doing another podcast. I don't people know that. She was doing one on crime.

And then she's like, would you be interested? And I said, that's so weird. I go, I've been asked so many times do a podcast. But in what I've been told, you don't really make money on podcasts. It takes time to make money and all this stuff. So I'm like, it's not a huge priority to me because I have cut fitness. I have my CBD business. I have the social media posts that I do and everything else.

So she goes, well, let I heart call you and they can negotiate with you. So they called me, made me an offer. I'm like, let's try it. Let's do it. They're like, we're going to change your podcast. We want it mostly about housewives, just recapping housewives. And I'm like, let's do it. That would be so easy for me.

And here we are seven months later. And we're like usually on the top 20, a million downloads a month. Like, we're killing it. Amazing. I think maybe with Teddy, with any Housewives cast, there's going to be kind of better years and less good years. And I think with Orange County also we've seen the last few years, like the casting is so important and the dynamics.

And maybe there's somebody that has a lot of potential, but if the season just doesn't click, then you're never quite going to get to see that. And it is such a hard, such a fine-tuned thing. And I think, you know, certainly with Orange County, a lot of people have felt the last couple years like, weren't quite clicking.

Yeah. No, and I could see that. I didn't watch the first year after I left because it was just too hard. It was like I unfollowed a lot of people, Housewives on social media or I muted them. And I took, you know, Eddie actually canceled the cable subscript, the Bravo subscription. And it was just better for my mental health because it was just so fresh and raw. And I after the fact, you know, after I got over it, I tried to watch the first couple episodes. of Orange County. And there was a lot of like Tamara bashing between Emily and Shannon and all this

stuff and calling me Lucifer. And I'm like, you know what? This isn't good for me. I said, I'm not going to watch it. I'm like, I'm not even on it. And they're talking about me on every single episode. It is strange how that happens. Like sometimes when someone leaves the show, you never, it's like they never existed. But then sometimes they turn the departure into the next season storyline. And it's like, I didn't ask to be a part of this. Yeah, I know. I know. So it was too hard for me to watch. And then I just watched the recent season with Heather on it. And I mean, it was okay.

But I feel like there's some room for tweaking. Have you talked to Heather at all? I know she had some things to say about your podcast recently and how that would make your return to the show a little strange. Have you, have you like checked in with her since then? Yes. We've had some conversations. And, you know, we're okay. I still don't know where they came from and why.

she would say something like that. It was it was hurtful for me. It's like something I'm not just going to get over because I've always rallied for her to come back, always, always. From the day she aspired, I had asked Andy multiple times to bring her back. And when that happened, I'm like, wow, like I'm not a blogger. I have a podcast and so do you. And in your bio on your podcast, it says I recap housewives.

So it's like, why am I any different than you? Yeah. And it's always, it's always tough because it's easy. to talk about whether someone should leave the show or stay on the show. But when it comes from within the cast, it's like you're messing with someone's money potentially also. It's not just a fan casting theory. Yeah, for me, I think it was more like I was hurt because it's like, wow, like I've always rooted for you and always rallied for you. And when the table's turned, you're not doing that for me. And ultimately, no cast member has the authority to make decisions

on casting. They can speak their mind all they want. But at the end of the day, that's, that's Bravo's decision, not a cast members. Exactly. Well, Tamara, excited to see what happens in the future. And of course, excited to keep watching you on Ultimate Girls Trip this season. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you.

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