Mention It All - Hyper Fixating On Bravo Is Healthy, Actually Ft. Andrew Muscarella & Joe Hegyes

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

There’s nothing like meeting someone who speaks Bravo, and on today’s episode Dylan gets to know Andrew Muscarella and Joe Hegyes, lifelong friends and hosts of the Good Children podcast. They discuss their Housewives-watching journeys, and why common hyper fixations are so important. They also chat about the parallel importance of Bravolebs and Food Network stars, and why tf Giada isn’t a Housewife yet. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome back to the Mention at All podcast. I am Dylan Hafer, and I'm excited to be joined today by two friends who I, I really enjoy your podcast. I really enjoy seeing, especially the clips on TikTok of your podcast when you guys are in crazy costumes. Yeah. That's a favorite of mine. From the Good Children podcast, Andrew. Joe. Hello.

Do you see, I just punted on saying your last name. I know, I understand. I would do the exact same thing. Andrew Milccarella and Joe Hedges. Correct. Perfect. Very good. I was like, I got to get it in there.

Sometimes I do that with first names. Just stop saying their names. I'll be like, and you're here. You're here. It's amazing. Yeah. I feel like it's like poor podcasting etiquette to ask the guest to introduce themselves. I know.

Yeah. But listen, if it has to happen, it has to happen. Yeah. So like, if you were to give like the elevator pitch of yourself, like what would it be? You know, Joe. I would say. Why are you here? We're here today because we love pop culture and podcasts and Bravo.

You're just passionate about podcasts. We love podcasts so much. It's so funny because like even when podcasting is your job, it sounds so lame to say like, I just love podcasts. Yeah. Which also I feel like I probably have listened to three podcasts totally in my life. Oh. So actually I was lying. We don't really, before we even started the podcast, we weren't listening to podcasts.

And we were like, yeah, we're just going to. start a podcast and then here we are. That's so interesting. I feel like I go through phases where there will be times where I'm like, I don't want to listen that shit. I'm like, I don't listen to like Sabrina Carpenter. Exactly. But then also there are times where I'm like I can't be alone with like my own thoughts.

I need to listen to somebody else's like. Yeah. I understand that. I feel like housewives is kind of like that too. Very much so. I feel like especially I mean, I'm still reeling from the Salt Lake City premiere this week. I feel like that was deeply. I will never be alone with my own thoughts.

as a result of what I saw, actually. I'm really haunted. I feel like that's the thing, though, like when you've watched enough Housewives, like it's always kind of just on a loop in your mind. Like, there's always something being pulled. There's some reference. There's some moment.

You're like seeing a meme and then you're like, now I need to go rewatch that. Like it's always there just like right under the surface. It's right in the ether. Joe is the person who introduced me to Housewives. Okay. Yeah, you did. Wow.

It's kind of crazy. I forgot what you said to me. You were like, if you ever need like a, a way to be able to connect to other gay men. It's just by watching housewives. Well, I remember, I saw a clip from your show that was on TikTok and kind of went viral about you saying that like that's the best way to connect with a complete stranger is finding out that you both watch Housewives.

And I totally agree about this. I mean, like, I've met so many people. And it's just like you, you're never going to need a topic. No. If you know that you've both seen like a thousand hours of Real Housewives. Yes. Literally, like, I think that my social anxiety disappeared the moment. I started watching, like, New York for the first time.

I was like, oh, any room in at night could be like, Bethany Frankel and something will spiral from my conversation. So you're like, remote as a Greek. So, um, yeah. So Bethany was at Fashion Week. Yes, she was. And she was. The comment, did you see the comment in her TikTok where someone was like,

I love your walk? And her response was, I am so deeply self-conscious about it. And that was the only thing she said. Deeply, deeply self-conscious. She was like, she was there. Okay, so you're fake. Yeah. Well, yes.

Yeah, no, it is, it is crazy because, like, I feel like then the opposite, though, is like, if you're in a room where nobody has seen house size, like, my family is very, like, out of the loop when it comes to Bravo, reality TV, all of that. And so I'm like, I feel like I'm just, like, sitting there, like, twiddling my thumbs, like, silent. Nobody knows about Angie. Nobody knows. They're asking you about your job. You're like, let's not talk about it. I'm like, yeah, I met somebody, but I'm going to say the day, but it's going to mean absolutely nothing. That's the worst feeling.

Yeah. Like, this is actually an A-list celebrity in my world. And to you, you've never heard this person before my entire life. Yeah. It's like arms length, but like they, it's like appreciation, but without understanding. Yes. You're like, Dylan's with all his friends. Angie?

You're like, yeah, mom, you don't get it. Oh, yeah. No, my mom literally is like, oh, they love you. And I'm like, I. Yeah. Love it. Okay, so you got into Housewives because of Joe, Andrew, but how did you get into Housewives? Like, what was your?

I want to say our friend, Carol. is like she is the real connoisseur. She was really pushing it for years and years and years and years. And then I had a really dark and lonely summer. I think it was last summer, actually. Not this past one that just happened, but the previous one. I'm still in it. I think it was last week, actually.

No, I remember, like, I was like either packing for a move or something was happening. And I was, like, deep in just listening to Jill Zarin speak every single day. And she felt so deeply maternal to me that, I was instantly sued and, like, connected to my familial heritage. And through that, I was like, okay, this is going to be the next thing I pay attention to. Okay. And admittedly, I really haven't delved that deep into the lore. I feel like I did New York.

I did obviously Salt Lake. And then I did Beverly Hills, but I haven't really gotten that deep into Beverly Hills. Okay. And I have a disease where, like, I can't do, like, the Bravo equations where you, like, start at season eight and then go, like, to nine. Like, I refuse. It's really, it's really hard. And I think because I've seen all. of it when people ask me, they're like, okay, what season do I really need to start at? I'm like,

one. Yeah, that's why I understand that. And that's a hard thing for people to hear it because then they're like, that's 200 hours of watching Orange County. And I'm like, someone has to do it. It's tough work. It's good work. I love a cheat code. When people tell me like three to five, I watch and then like you'll skip to eight. I'm like, that's more my speed. I think that's okay because it's like if you are, if you're looking for like, not like surface level, but like mid-tier ability to engage, it's like there are certain like certain seasons, certain arcs that are just kind of like up there in like canon events essentially.

That it's like, okay, like yeah, like it's great to watch every single episode, but also like you need to know about Jen Shah. Right. Of course. Of course. Salt Lake is the only, like only franchise I have watched through and through every single Well, there's not that many seasons. But I also, like, dabbled in New Jersey just to know the girls because I feel like I can resonate.

I'm very there. I'm very there with them. But, yeah, no, aside from that, it is Salt Lake for me. Yeah. I think Salt Lake is, like, the perfect combination of it's really good and it's really crazy, but also because there are less seasons. I feel comfortable. Like, I feel like it's, I'm introducing my friend to, like, a low-level addictive drug versus, like, the hard stuff. That's the gateway.

Just watch the few seasons. Yeah. Just give it a try. Just see how you feel. You're like, this is, this is it for me. Exactly. So it doesn't feel like you're like, the worst thing is like when you recommend a show to somebody. And it's like, no, no, no, just stick with it.

By season three, it's amazing. Yeah, you're like, by episode one, it gets insane for Salt Lake. I think I converted my entire family to watch Salt Lake in a matter of a week. Like, I started it. And then I was like, mom, like, my sister. I was like, please watch this immediately. And it spread to like, brother-in-law. brother-in-law and like cousins and then like Christmas Eve that year was the best Christmas Eve of

my life. I was like, okay, finally I have something to comment with you. I started a cult. Yeah. I was like, we have something to talk about. This is great. That's amazing. Yeah.

So you said that Jill Zeran was like really speaking to last summer. Yeah. Have you seen Jill Zeran's videos of when she travels to Europe that she packs an entire suitcase of Diet Coke? No, but like that makes so much sense to me. So she's like adamant that Diet Coke in Europe is not the same as Diet Coke in the U.S. which I don't feel strongly about, but like if she says it, I'm sure it's true. Yeah, I believe her.

So she will pack like a hard, like a hard shell suitcase with like 36 cans of Diet Coke. She's a genius. And check the luggage. And then she'll like open it up and invariably like two of them will have exploded. And she's like, pretty good. I got 34. And all the TikTok comments are like, this Americans are sick. How is she not being like stopped by Border Patrol with that?

I feel like there must be something illegal in our Diet Coke. that cannot be entering Europe. Nitro glycerers. Yeah. It pops and blows up. Right. Like if they're not using the same recipe in Europe, I assume it's because there's something toxic.

Yeah, for sure. Like the, no, they didn't use a fructriced corn syrup and diacoke. Do they? I have no idea. Aspartame. Yeah. Which might give you cancer. Allegedly.

And I love diacote. We love that. It's tough. Yeah. No, it doesn't give you cancer. It's amazing. Perfect. Yes, it says.

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I just feel like it's loaded no matter who you pick. Like, there's just a lot of variables. I know who you are. Dummy. You're Heather Day. Yeah. Very clearly. I know.

It's tough to say that I'm Heather. Because it's like saying you're the main character. Yeah. But you are Heather gay. Okay. For sure. You're a good time girl. I was going to say every day.

I'm trying to think about who you are now. I've seen myself in speaking cadence and in behavior patterns as Meredith. Yeah, I do see a lot of Meredith. Although, I mean, the introduction of Bronwyn does feel cataclysmic to me and my personal identity. Like, I'm really nervous for what it will mean for me going forward. It just the... You're not wearing pants, apparently. If anybody can see.

Yeah, I'm wearing the most, like, generic outfit currently. But the delusion and like the somehow self-awareness of being delusional, I'm like, this is something that's going to catch on to me in a big way going forward. I didn't vibe with her immediately, which is usually a sign that I am her. I relate. Right. You're like, I don't like you, which means that I am you. Yeah. Time after time after time that is the case.

It's like looking in the mirror and just being angry. Yes. Yes. Every day, every single morning. Wow. That's really interesting that after one episode, you've like clocked something about her. Yeah, a deeply sinister trait that I relate to is what I clocked immediately. It's always interesting with like new, when they introduce new people on the show and it, in like what they choose to bring right from the get-go.

And like when it's fashion and when it's like I am living this like crazy outsized life. Also I have an older husband and like all of this stuff. I'm like, wow, you're really like you're painting a picture that. whether or not, like, if it's accurate, that's interesting, but also if it's not, I'm, like, even more interested. It's so cloak and mirrors, I feel like, smoke in mirrors. Actually, cloak and mirrors. Clok and a little heart.

That was good. But it's so that, like, that's what I love the most about this. I mean, I think Salt Lake is getting interesting because I feel like all of the women are getting extremely aware of how to play the game. Like, this season specifically, I was like, Like, they all came prepared to get their receipts proof timeline moment. Yeah. And that's interesting.

And I think Bronwyn, similar to Monica, is coming as a disciple of the show and like really control the narrative, which I don't think is possible. So that's what I'm excited to see spin out. Especially when the majority of this cast has been there since day one and you're coming in on day, like, you know, 2047 or whatever. and it's like, I know exactly what I'm doing. And it's like, you know exactly what you want to do. But like these women are playing 3D chess.

Yeah. Like, NJK has a scroll. NGK has a scroll. So, like, actually, no matter what you show up wearing, if you don't have a scroll in your hands, you're not there. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

And like, even like the way that they like package out their information where it's like, Whitney said something on a podcast. however many months ago. And, like, Lisa saved this up to make somebody become an event, I don't love podcasts. It's really, like, it's so methodical. Yeah. And Whitney's like, Lisa, I have a feeling this is about the podcast.

She's like, yeah, it's about the podcast. It's crazy. Who do you see yourself as? Oh, God. I don't know. I mean, because I feel like when you try to compare yourself to someone, it's like, am I, like, am I flattering myself? Or am I, like, I want to say,

like Lisa Barlow, but I don't even know if that's a good thing. Well, I love that answer. Yeah. Because I think I wish I was a Lisa. Okay. I don't know if I actually am a Lisa, though. I think Lisa's the one, Lisa's the one that, like, speaks to me the most. But I don't know if I, like, see myself in her.

Like, she's the one that is, like, on my mind. She's, like, your rising sign. Sure. Yeah, which are big three. I'm, like, admittedly not that into astrology. So I don't even know what my rising sign truly is. Okay. If it's Lisa Barlow, that's fine.

You should just go forward to say that. Yeah, by rising as Lisa Barlow. People were like, oh, like, that's amazing. Lisa Barlow rising. I just feel like she, she, like, carries herself through the world in a way that I am just kind of mesmerized by. It's respectable. There was, like, she responded to a tweet of somebody asking if she does Coke.

She was like, only Diet Coke, but thanks for acknowledging that I have great energy. And I'm like, that's just like, that's how I want to be. That's how I want to live my life. Yeah. She's a shady queen. She's like the only drug she's. on as Wendy. Wendy's and Tyco.

It's so good. Wait, so why do you see yourself as a Heather? I'm not, I really like, why do you think I'm a Heather? I have to answer for you on your behalf. I honestly don't know why I would see myself as a Heather. I think that like, hmm. Do you want me to? I think that Andrew is very diplomatic.

I think Andrew is, there's something about Heather that, like, obviously the show kind of hinges on her, either on purpose or by accident in the early seasons, but there is that quality. She's sometimes a mediator, I feel like, as well. She is very much a mediator. And also, like, she's very forgiving. And then when she does get pent up, I've seen with Jen Shaw.

She screams. Yeah. But, like, the whole gen. You've known a million Jen shaws. Oh, yeah. Myself included at times. Yeah, you were very much. That's what I think the main thing is.

Yeah. Wait, so you guys have known each other, like, your entire lives, basically four years old. four years. That's like, it's crazy to think about like you're diagnosing him as a Heather gay. And that goes back like to decades. It is. That's like the worst thing about it actually.

I think we realize more than I do. Yeah. We exist in the context of all that came before in a really bad way. Yeah. Since we were four years old. Prior to housewives, like what are other things that you have had like in your friendship together that have kind of been like texts for you? I mean, the barefoot contest.

I was going to say, I would say, Ina Garden was a huge one for us as children. Food was something that brought us together always in the food network in general. I think that Joe has always been really online and like the reality scene and stuff like that. And I have always been offline. Okay. But the thing that would bring us together would just be sitting in his basement and watching Ina Garden on TV. And you can make Food Network one of the most riveting Bravo shows in the world. Like when you think about what's going on between Giata de Laurentis and Bobby Flay and you have to read the subtext of two different.

cooking shows, that's like really layered storytelling. Especially for two 12-year-olds to really have to encapsulate that. You're like writing InaGarten fan fiction every single school day. Well, did you, okay, so Ina Garten has a memoir coming out. I can't wait. And there's like excerpts and stuff that are starting to come out. And there was the story about a time when she and Jeffrey had separated, I guess. But the way that it was being reported, like the headlines made it sound like it was

present tense. Oh, my God. It was like Ina Garten on separation of her Jeffrey. And it was like there was a bomb threat. It was like a separation. That would be the worst news I could possibly get in Fulsons. It would be worse than if my parents announced their separation. I would take it a lot worse.

Those are our parents. Yeah. Yeah, it's like you're still going to see mom and dad if they're not together. Like you're talking to Jeffrey. We'd never see Jeffrey again. Something that still stays with me for my whole entire life, just from that show in general, is there was one episode specifically that Ina Gardens in a tent. And she says, and Jeffrey's already in the tent.

She goes, if the tent comes to rock in, don't come a knock in. And I'm like, that's how the episode is. Like, you're kind of like, wait, what do you mean is going to happen? Like, oh, she hate that. She's like, oh, she's having fun in there. We're like 13 like this watching it. Like, what does that need? What are you going to be on DVR multiple times?

When you said tent, I'm picturing like a, like a wedding reception. And then I'm like, no. Were they like camping? They were camping in their back here. In their backyard. She likes to do an experience. You know what I mean? She's not leaving that backyard.

But then it's like you can also just go inside the house. Yeah. Like you're not going to the bathroom out there. Well, I'm sure production wrapped and they went straight into their beds, into their separate beds. They were like, okay,

thanks for getting that tent for hours on. That looks good. The Food Network shows where they are like, ostensibly like in their home are always so interesting to me because like I guess with housewives, like they're filming in their house all the time. But then it's like, they're filming a scene just like sitting in the living room

and then the crew leaves and you go back to your life. But it's like, Is Eynogarton's kitchen just like permanently a TV studio? I think. I'm, is this all fake? I'm pretty sure that, like, a lot of them, like, once they recruit a certain amount of wealth, like, still the separate kitchen in their home just for shooting

purposes. Or like a completely different set. Like, I know Giata, that was not her house. Redrumand, though, Pioneer Woman, that was her house. Yeah, because you're not getting her off that farm. You know what I mean? She's saying, but, but yeah. Yeah, I do think it's, I think that, like,

Literally, I really do think Food Network chefs probably could really relate to housewives in a really serious way. Especially that Heather Gay, we invite people into our home, we show them our lives, and then we wait for them to judge it. We wait for their opinion. That's literally what Inagarden does every single day. I'm surprised. I wonder if Bravo has ever tried to recruit any, like, food network personality to be a housewife. We need Giata. We need Giata.

But we also need Sandra Lee. Oh, you're actually so right. Sandra. on New York. Yeah. I feel like on like the old New York. She would have been perfect. Like you used to be with Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Yeah. You know, like, she has some tea to spill. She's like, she's like one ounce of vodka. She would have been perfect on the original New York. Actually. It's always turtle time. Always. She would love Ramona.

Rest in peace, Sandra. You would love her. She would love her. I'm sorry. Wow. Wow. That's kind of profound. Jada like kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Which is why I love her. Yeah. The pronunciations really get me. It's spaghetti. Yeah. Yeah. It's the in and out. She's like, today we're going to make a beautiful patta car bernara. And you're like, that just hit me in the face out of actually nowhere.

I did see Melissa Gorga was posting like a cooking TikTok. She was like making dinner. And it's one of those things where like Joe is kind of in the background. Like he's like, oh, like give me a bite. Why can I smack the ass? Like come on. Like, Melissa. Like what?

Drink on the wine. Put it too much salt. And it is funny, like, when they try to cross over, like, Bethany does all her, like, food TikToks now. And it's like, I don't know that I need the food content from the housewives. Well, Bethany is, like, reaching into the back of her pantry and pulling out, like, a cracker from eight years ago and then, like, the tuna salad that she bought in the Hamptons.

And, like, that is a meal to her every day, which is shocking to me. So to me, it's, like, that's almost, like, slight of hand magic, which she does. And then, like, I do think otherwise the food content for me is not. It's not applicable. Right. Like, I don't need to see, like, Heather Gay cooking dinner. Never. You know, credit her.

I don't think she's posted, like, cooking content. But don't. Great. Honestly, though, I would watch it, unfortunately. What do you think Heather Gay makes for dinner? I'm sure, whatever it is, it's made with love. Yeah. Made with love.

That's diplomatic. Whatever bland chicken. She loves, I feel like she loves a good salmon. I don't know. I see some. I also could see, like, Taco Night. Yeah, Tuesdays. Sure, Black Olives.

Not a very, like, spicy. Not authentic Taco Night, but she's making tacos in some way. Every single one of those women does Taco Tuesdays. I 100% believe that. Yeah, I can totally see, like, Lisa Barlow's Taco Tuesday. Well, that's Taco Bell. It is Taco Bell. That's her Taco Tuesday.

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It's inescapable. And it's like, I like hate it so much. But then also it's like, it's a little bit of a hyper fixation. Well, she's inspired me in so many ways. Like, again, I'm like, oh, I could make a rice cake and chicken salad and full meal. Like, that's actually really inspirational. That's girl dinner. And I also think, yeah, I think that walking into, what is it, Round Swamp.

Yeah. Swamp Cafe. Ranswamp Farm, I think. Yeah, like walking in there and expecting to be known and seen and then posting a video of it, which I do think was like tongue and cheek. Like I feel like it was intentionally misinterpreted, but then I was like, maybe I am giving her too much benefit of a doubt here.

Well, I think that's interesting because, like, the whole, like, reality star construct, I feel like is kind of built on, like, believing that you are a celebrity, even if you're, like, kind of not. But then it's like, do you, is it more fun when somebody's in on the joke a little? Like, Countess Luann is, like, in on the joke at this point. Like, she's going to the,

top of the Empire State Building and being like, it's all about cabaret baby. Like, she knows. Yeah. But I'm like, Bethany is so, like... She's, like, going mad in the Hamptons. Like, I think that's what's happening. I don't know. I...

I ab and flow with her, but I do... Right now, I'm in a real hyper-fixation of everything she's doing. It haunts me. I don't know. I don't know if that's good or bad. Yeah. We'll see. But Luanne, as you were saying that I was, like, Luanne actually is a great example of someone who, like,

seems to manage it very well. And that was how to get her coin without, like, looking insane. There was a time when I think that she was, like, a little too in it. And then now I think she's fully like, she's like a Disney World, like Mickey Mouse character breakfast. Like, even if you have, I honestly don't know much about her, but she is one of the housewives that I have just seen so much about in the shows and things like that. So I feel like she has that legacy. Yeah. You know.

And she's good at, like, getting her face out there in a way that doesn't, like, piss you off. That video of her in the convertible in Bushwick. I forgot what she even says, but she's like, we're in Bushwick. And it's just like the hood slowly like going down and back up. Like under like Murdo Broadway is crazy. Well, she performed it. I can't remember the Pride Festival that was like under the bridge and under the Cape Bridge. She was under the Cape Bridge.

We missed that. No, we were there two years ago. We missed this one. What a waste. Of course. She's always doing something. Every day I see another book. of like music festival lineup.

And I see Countess Luanna as like one of the headliners. She was in like the UK doing she's worldwide. She's booked. She's really touring. We should all be so lucky, honestly. We should all be so lucky. I think that's something too

that like I think we've gotten away from the societal stigma of like, oh, she does reality TV or she's like a D list, whatever. It's like these people fucking work. Oh yeah. Yes. And they hustle and they have so many things

going on. And it takes a lot to keep. that up. Yeah, I think they could have chosen much easier career paths, like, and or no career path at all. Like, there is something admirable about their decision to put that much effort and that much of themselves out there.

It's admirable, it's concerning, but I really respect it. I think that that's, like, our goal. Yeah, exactly. We invite people into our homes. I was going to say, you saw how it started this season with the confessional. Like, we invite people in. We invite people in. We invite people in.

Yes, you do. actually. Do you feel like, okay, so obviously you guys have a podcast where you talk about lots of different stories from your life, childhood and all of that. Like, do you feel like you have to like put up certain walls in terms? Because like being on reality TV, obviously there's like you choose what to share. Sometimes things come up. But like how do you kind of choose what to talk about?

I think that's the problem. You're like episode one. It felt really easy. Yeah. Well, yeah, because I think that one. we started we didn't really have many walls up because it was also like we had no platforms we had no followers it was kind of like right it's not say whatever yeah right it's not like you're like you know sarah michelle gellar starting a podcast doing a tell all like we were just like okay we'll just tell

our little stories and then unfortunately the feedback loop of the internet people were engaging with like the most vulnerable or like disgusting or embarrassing stories from us so it was like let's just lean in and tell every single one of them. Yeah. And it's gotten to a point where it's like, I'll go home back to where we're from and I'll see somebody from high school and they're like, just don't say my name. And I'm like, you're scared? That's horrible. Do you change names ever in a?

We've done it before. We used to bleep out names. You used to bleep. And if someone's incriminated, we still bleep. Like if it's something like someone said something homophobic to us in 2008, they'll get a bleep because we give them a pass. Okay. But if it's something funny, they're, they're, they're in.

You know, I find a bleeped name on a podcast, like, kind of spine tingling. Like, I kind of really, I kind of like, even if it's like somebody, I have no idea who they are. It's like my random friend. But if it's bleeped on like, oh, yeah, there's something there. I did you some research. And I've been the editor for the past two years. And there have been times where like I've bleeped and then like forgotten something, whatever. And then like, people will be like, you say fully like this person's first and last name and then the bleep happens.

So you probably should fix that. And I'm like, well, we try our best. Like, it was in good faith. Concepts of a bleep. Yeah, like the bleep was there. You don't know what we were bleeping, but that's apologies to Ryan. Yeah, we've started building some walls since starting for sure. Because when you give everything of yourself and you tell everybody literally everything, then you're like, okay, they see you, they meet you.

And then they know everything about me and I don't know anything about them. Yeah. So it kind of freaks you out. But, yeah, we've started. The wall is a literal paywall. Like on Patreon, we'll say anything, but on the actual podcast now, we're like, oh, we're a little bit more. You want to hear more about that. Not for feed.

Yeah, exactly. I love that. Well, guys, thank you so much. This is been so fun. Tell everyone where they can listen to Good Children and follow you and stuff. You can follow us across all social media platforms at Good Children Pod. And I'm on Instagram at Andrew Muscarolla. And I'm on Instagram at Joe Hedges.

Hedges. Hedges. Hedges. Love that. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for having us. And thanks everyone for listening. Don't forget to rate review and follow the show.

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